Such a crazy recording. Less so the last movement and more so the third movement. Absolutely insane the way she plays this. a.uguu.se/zw1VY1PBlkHQ.opus Starting out slowly and gradually building speed, drama and intensity as it progresses. Ironically, probably by accident, she comes closest to Beethoven's overall tempo for the movement. Ignoring the two long ritardandi, of course. Brilliant interpretation. I have a lot of favorite Hammerklaviers but she owns that 3rd movement for me.
The worst poly meme to be honest, ferneyhough is a hack New complexity was a scam Minimalism was a mistake Neo romanticism can be good in the right hands Neo Baroque? The last composer who had the contrapuntual balls to make something resembling the Baroque era was Reger and he died 103 years ago
These sonatas are growing to be between my fav Bach works honestly
Sometimes i get the feeling that this is not Bach tho Maybe this is another Petzold masterpiece? Part of these sonatas were in the Anna Magdalena book after all
>... [his] debut in the Walkure of the second cycle in London in 1924. On the day of the performance Melchior still had no rehearsal and told Walter he "had never seen, nor heard, nor sung on any stage the role I was supposed to sing that evening! He [Walter] nearly had a stroke: but as it proved impossible to hunt up another Siegmund, he was forced to bite the sour apple and let me sing the role without any rehearsal whatsoever ..."
Further evidence Mozart is underrated desu. Mozart > Bach > Beethoven
Jaxon Wood
With Mozart its all ""muuh what it could have been""/ ""muuh he died so young"" with Bach and Beethoven you actually get what actually could have been Mozart didn't delivered and he is just a Haydn pastiche.
I'm pretty happy with what we got from Mozart desu. As for the pastiche comment, Early to mid Beethoven sounds more Haydnesque than anything Mozart wrote.
>With Mozart its all ""muuh what it could have been""/ ""muuh he died so young"" Quite the opposite, more like "how did he do so much great stuff all before 35"?
>didn't delivered oh you're just retarded, never mind.
Carson Watson
>Unlike Bach's earlier existing passions (St John Passion and St Matthew Passion), the Markus-Passion is probably a parody—it recycles previous works. Bach is the biggest troll out there.
>Suite Bergamasqie kinda sucks Nah, it's not his greatest work but the other movements are typical of Debussy's later, more Ravel-influenced and dry style. The reason I think people don't like it is they come expecting more stuff in the style of Clair de Lune, which he wrote a long time before the rest of the suite. The other thing is it's not really that difficult technically, so most of the recodings of it are mediocre.
If you don't like Mozart you're probably just too young, or your understanding of musical expression hasn't matured enough yet. I'm sure you didn't like Othello back when you were forced to read it at school either.
If this is what you believe, you must be looking for the wrong things in Mozart's music. It's not all about the form and the structure; in fact, structure is mainly there to aid the listener comprehension of musical ideas. The true crowning ambition of any music is expression, and Mozart did this with more clarity, more maturity, and more sophistication than just about everyone else. As a litmus test, try Mozart's operas. If you aren't liking those, then you probably aren't getting much out of the rest of Mozart's music either.
Kayden Collins
Am I the only one to find the adagio of Mozart's 23 very underwhelming? Is there something in its structure that I don't understand? An originality that I might have missed?
Jackson Harris
Maybe it's just not to your taste
Mason Brooks
piano concerto 23 or symphony 23
Logan Evans
All of Mozart's piano concertos are full of quasi-improvisation, and he repeats himself in these works more than in any others. Not to mention, he was also limited at the time by the pithiness of his piano as an instrument; he couldn't have more than a couple of strings and woodwinds playing at the same time as the keyboard or it would be drowned out, hence you get the very clichéd and rather tiresome back-and-forth between piano and orchestra, one usually parroting the other. Not to say that the Mozart concertos are bad works, they just have a very different appeal compared with all the rest I think. I've personally never liked them too much, but maybe I would if I saw them live with a good performer.
Juan Collins
i think he means piano concerto 23 the symphony has a andantino not an adagio i think i think the concerto is probably more common knowledge as well
Julian Young
>He [Gould] took issue with the "facility for improvisation" that, he claimed, led Mozart to an over-reliance on conventional formulas in his compositions, most obviously in the "jaded, weary" works of his later years. In the C minor piano concerto [K 491]... Gould heard only "an appalling collection of cliches" of no greater potency than "inter-office memos".
"in the future there will be either music made with computers, or no music at all" - Gould
Jose Wood
I think we dislike Gould more, mainly because we like music too much.
Thomas Richardson
obviously Gould. We all adore Mozart
Ryder Jenkins
I don't like this idea but it might be the case
The concerto
>hence you get the very clichéd and rather tiresome back-and-forth between piano and orchestra, one usually parroting the other. I agree. I don't really understand what's the role of the orchestra here, the constant repetition seems extremely bland to me. You gain virtually nothing from this, it's very circular and though the tautological development could serve to emphasize the emotion of the piece, it seems to go nowhere (to me at least).
I unironically can't like anything that's popular, I've talked this to my therapist and psychiatrist, and they gave me a drug, but I found out it was a popular one so I never took it.
Dylan Ross
Interesting, favorite composers?
Sebastian Gutierrez
Stravinsky, even thought I feel discomfort I enjoy him, I can't listen to him in public though, it feels as if everybody that listened to him ever is judging my choices.
You dont have to but it really makes you appreciate it in a new way.
Easton Green
Why does anyone like wagner?
Oliver King
What pieces do you guys find to be the most emotionally moving?
Austin Murphy
only dumb krauts like wagner
Ryan Barnes
because of the driving power of the heroic vocalists
Austin Wright
shostakovich symphony 4 always reminds me of the potential he had from his modernist era
Dominic Edwards
Does anyone know where I can get free sheet music for piano?
Ethan Martinez
because it's good classical music and you're a brainlet if you can't appreciate good classical i mean it's mostly available free but i understand you're probably tired of shitty low quality good image printouts that are only one page, i used to subscribe to jellynote, highly recommended and worth it
Julian Clark
and only retarded tommies like elgar
Ethan Cooper
shostakovich string quartet 15
Carter Turner
Surprisingly a lot of russians: Myaskovsky, Popov, Shostakovich, Knipper, etc
Chase Miller
not the masterfully crafted adagio from symphony 5?
Leo Ward
>none of you will ever have tastes as patrician as this gentleman
>Quite the opposite, more like "how did he do so much great stuff all before 35"? Yeah, proving my point this is just another "muuh what could have been"" >oh you're just retarded, never mind Not an argument, it was just a typo
Elijah Rogers
no no
Andrew Hall
Not an argument.
Oliver Walker
Pathetic. My latest IQ test indicates that I have transcended petty bodily trappings, such as orgasms, appetite or air and have transcended to a form of pure gamer energy, well beyond James Woods's paltry 195 IQ. My IQ is in the complex plane, and the differential equation required to even signify it would take the collected efforts of non-gamers such as Ramanujan, Poincare and Cantor multiple lifetimes to comprehend.
Samuel Watson
Based Gould
Hunter Flores
Both Mozart and Gould are shit
Dylan Hernandez
well at least he's 50% correct
Colton Sanchez
Classical redpill: each and every well known composer had something to say and there isn't a more pointless and philistine statement than saying you hate a composer
What the hell does."have something to say me" even mean LOL? To hate a composer is just a crude way of saying "music seriously does not appeal to me" and there is nothing wrong with that.
Lincoln Lopez
more like Saint-Fag
Lincoln Thomas
I'm going to Puccini's Schicchi in 20mins. What am I in for lads? I don't speak a lick if Italian.
I live in Brighton and at the station is a piano where anyone can just sit down and play. I used to be tempted to get back into piano just so I could hammer out some wicked hard piece and impress everyone.
I play the drums, guitar, violin and piano but I'm not very good at any of them. Well at least I'm giving the piano an honest shot; currently breaking my fingers trying to learn this youtube.com/watch?v=jFgYfOOECFM
>Christian Petzold was a German composer and organist. He achieved a high reputation during his lifetime. Time to make sure he is better known and gets the credit he deserves.
Ryder Allen
Best recording on harpsichord of Bach keyboard concerto 1?
Samuel Phillips
gould
Zachary Ward
I said on harpsichord, also >recommending Gould for anything
Landon Ramirez
ew shit tier bait
Juan Flores
Where do you guys find good video recordings of operas with subtitles? Preferably traditional stagings and not the modernist crap. I own both the Parsifal and The Ring boxsets of the Met production of Schenk/Levine which is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for.
Man as much as I still adore Tchaikovsky and his gay wizardry for melodies and emotion, he really couldn't end his pieces for shit. I find that now when I listen to Waltz of the Flowers, Swan Lake, etc. I'm totally engrossed till the last minute when I press Next Track because he starts fucking around repeating earlier refrains without any sort of logic or purpose.
mozart and pretty much nobody afterwards the whole romantic era is a clusterfuck of overextended beethovenesque cadences I guess Schubert never fell for that meme
Nathaniel Thompson
Beethoven, de Machaut, Mahler, Shostakovich, Mozart, uh... Yeah.
Benjamin King
Based bog exposer
Kevin Flores
Yeah. Especially the Great Fugue, of course.
Aiden Allen
middle period sonatas are Beethoven's best
Logan Watson
I play percussion instruments but the only one I own is a glockenspiel.
Landon Sullivan
>mozart and pretty much nobody afterwards how about Haydn and Schubert
Alexander Russell
sometimes he got it right, like with the 4th sonata and the poem of ecstasy, but endings weren't his forte. the ending of Prometheus for example is pretty dreadful. just a big dumb f sharp major that appears out of nowhere.
Jose Scott
>I guess Schubert never fell for that meme Surprised he didn't considering he was probably the biggest Beethoven fan in history.
It's disgusting how this proms thing make Bach sound like something out of the r*mantic period, this orchestra's performance of violin partitia 3 especially makes me want to put the whole "royal" albert hall on fire. Fuck large orchestras and fuck the uk
Cameron Lee
>t. kraut
Joshua Barnes
Most of Sofronitsky's recordings are close to what Scriabin would have played and it sounds great. You won't get a decent complete set in my opinion, Lettberg for example is pretty awful.
Cooper Bennett
Yeah, I listened to her but it was pretty bad. Guess I'll have to wait if I want a complete one. Thank you.
I'm not but obviously they and Italians (also some french, etc) have a better connection to classic music, as if bound to it by blood and spirit. Name a single english post-elizabethan composer who is good. >is holding a fucking stick >isn't holding a violin or at a harpsichord or using any fucking instrument you have your answer
Eli Rivera
haha nazis good lolz xdd
Nolan Hill
What do you think of Hamelin? It is really weird to hear such a dry rendition
Carson Hill
purcell select works of elgar not the lnop ones unironically william walton
Jacob Jenkins
>william walton >britten Uneven composers but both have written good stuff. I like the Walton Violin Concerto
What do you think of Ades?
Daniel Nelson
I haven't heard one good thing played by Hamelin. This is why I don't go near his Scriabin performances. Anybody is welcome to change my mind.
>ades dont know much but from what ive heard of some piano works hes got slightly more weight than alot of the wishwashy contemporary music
Jack Scott
Care to explain why ?
BTW Bernstein talking about Beethoven is among the dumbest things I've ever heard. That whole "Beethoven was a bad composer but had a direct line with God" was awful.
Have you read a single Russian novel? People throwing themselves under trains, hysterical debates in Dostoyevsky's novels, a whole literary movement called sentimentalism; depression, depression and more depression. Ilya Repin, the Russian meme painter, is downright legendary for the intensity of emotion that his paintings emit. And don't even let me start on the music. Just listen to any of it, ffs
Yeah, it's a great postromantic symphony, I personally really like it for some of his mystical spirit.
Benjamin Williams
that's partially the uk's fault and partially just stokowski being a charlatan as usual and trying to add orchestral """sonority""" and """colouration""" to perfectly transparent and clearly expressed works of Bach
I like Bax, but it's pretty hard to find an orchestra outside Britain that plays him. After the orchestration Bax would erase everything in the score, that he thought was not necessary.
Ian Adams
>when you're 7 and a half minutes into a Schubert sonata and you see a repeat barline coming up
