>people only knew him as ""le child prodigy""" Mozart was routinely criticized for the difficulty of his music. Look at the history of his piano quartets or the comments made about his music by the likes of Nägeli or Sarti. >He didn't put his seed in the history of music like Beethoven This is simply untrue. Mozart influenced almost every major composer after him and was seen, rightly, as one of the most original composers of all time. Especially of his own time.
William Reyes
Reminder that Mozart underrating is inherently plebeian and points to musical illiteracy. youtu.be/5Mr9AuOSa4Y
Anonymous IV was /our guy/ the original /classical/ shitposter
As cringe as he sounds I think visualizing music is a really important factor, thats why being able to read music is also so important Of course our fellow here isn't actually seeing sheet music in his head but he's subconsiously trying to put an aural image to the music he is liking
Because there are simply some performers to pay attention to in that period, and many interpretive styles died off after WWII. It's doubly a pain if you're a fan of opera, because frankly the golden age of singing was in those days.
Not classical but this just reminded me that we should have a traditional/folk general. Did Yea Forums ever have one of chose?
Lincoln Phillips
Truth of the 8s.
There's nothing more based than a German who speaks Italian and an Italian who speaks German.
Chase Sanders
Music brainlet here. I want to read some books about music, particularly Romantic and some about opera, and I notice that many of them feature small music samples written out. I'm not really familiar enough with notation to read this and play it in my head. Is there a good program to take an image of these and then play them back?
Sibelius does this, I don't know which software is best. Look up music scanning software
Logan James
Tfw the best Mahler 4 is practically unknown, was never widely released and is only available thanks to some based ripper. Has anyone listened to the whole set and knows if there are any more gems like this one?
I always wondered about this, do they still get paid as much as the other musicians to hit their instruments once and that's it?
Of course, there are compositions with a lot of percussion (based modernists) too but I can see them going for months barely doing anything depending on what the orchestra is playing. When I saw The Rite of Spring, the guy striking the gong repeatedly looked really happy.
Tyler Scott
How the fuck the Reddit gooks got so big? i've never though there could be a big audience for this Are they redpilling normies into classical?
Aiden Price
>How the fuck the Reddit gooks got so big? It's basically an imageboard for normalfags, what did you expect?
Lucas Bell
normies don't appreciate classical tho. And considering that the gooks are fairly elitist (dabbing on faganini, generally only talking about decent composers) they are doing God's work.
gooks are plagiarists. They only like the music because the composers are deemed important.
Jaxson Kelly
>normies don't appreciate classical tho Lel no, a lot of normalfags do know at least the basics, aside from poor turbobydlo who live in slums. Especially among the older normalfags.
William Bennett
"Like" =/= appreciate you dumb shitstain.
Ethan Rodriguez
classical music is shit to a normal persons ear.
Robert Flores
Good thing we're not normal then. I couldn't imagine listening to CardiB or 6ix9ine on purpose. Yeah sure, I'm a masochist for liking this.
alot of dances in general are of negligible weight not all of them of course
Zachary Turner
Normal people are downright stupid as shit and have zero taste, so I'll take that as a compliment
Isaiah Powell
What about the Hungarian Dances?
Cooper Miller
Based Schoenberg poster
Carter Flores
>not all of them that said its classic fm status does injure it abit
Ian Bell
Nice cope Nihilista Masochist
Samuel Rogers
they hate a lot of things, doesn't make it good
Hudson Hernandez
thanks
Ryan Garcia
No, that's my point. The Hungarian Dances are probably the sterling example of music in that category but even still, I find them to be complete fluff and safely ignored.
>Scriabin >CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED under how many rocks do you live
Blake Taylor
Both meme overrated shit
Elijah Jackson
Y-you take that back!
Jace Anderson
>Scriabin >meme go back
Nathaniel Lopez
is there a worse form than For Two Pianos? I don't think so
Henry Anderson
for piano and voice
Luis King
Kinda agree but mostly because i'm a shitty pianist who can't sync with another person They can be fun in a live concert tho I once went to a college Concert of this and it was transcendental
I hate singing in academic music unless it's choral stuff or, reluctantly, operas. If that's being a pleb then whatever, enjoy your awful, grating, generic, samey voices ruining good music, "patrician".
it's hella gay. Webern's instrumental miniatures are brilliant, but his songs suck, which applies to the entire Second Viennese School
Cameron Martin
Webern is a Lieder composer at the core You aren't getting anything from his other works if you dont the lieders
Dylan Watson
>Webern is a Lieder composer at the core So what, so was Mahler >You aren't getting anything from his other works if you dont the lieders zero sense
Ryan Hill
>clearly isn't aware of the death of the author as applied to composers
Isaac Morgan
Its gay in a way i guess Its poetic, romantic and lyrical Contrary to popular belief I personally think Webern was actually the most romantic/emotional composer of the SVS youtu.be/zwEqulk8G3A
Everything from Op 5 to 10 except 8, and then Op 20, 21, 24 and 28 for a grand total of one hour 20 min
Adrian Sullivan
If discounting a huge number of the most impressive works of classical music, originally comissioned by the elites, and for much of its history only for upper class eardrums, as 'grating, generic, samey voices ruining academic music' makes you a pleb, then yes you are a pleb
>most impressive works of classical music nice opinion >comissioned by the elites, and for much of its history only for upper class eardrums nice appeal to authority/tradition >you are a pleb oh noooOOOoooo
Jose Foster
this is gay
Isaac Morris
captcha is being a retarded bitch tonight; it's not worth it anymore
Nathan Lee
exactly how many of these posts tonight have been yours, my dear?
Jaxon Bennett
This is very autistic from your part m8 You dont like vocal works in general or just the vocal works of Webern? At least give it a chance to the two Cantatas they are Webern's most accomplished works, he went to very interesting places in these two Cantatas His Op32 was also going to be a Cantata but you know the fag couldn't dodge the bullet
The female voice is great Sopranos are not. Shrieky. Loud. Obnoxious. Ugly. Contraltos are vastly superior.
Anthony Flores
Autism
Carter Richardson
It's true taste is subjective and what is 'high class' or 'low class' is also based off of generational consensus. Some people like Mozart's operas, other people prefer rock opera. There's nothing wrong with having low brow taste.
Can anyone give me some recommendations similar to this? I'm thinking of something with wistful romantic themes and the pieces are relatively short. The Hungarian Dances kind of fall into the same category for me if that helps.
Worse yet, he disliked Mozart for all the wrong reasons. He clearly just didn't understand him, not least because of his own autistic fixation with counterpoint.
Pic related: liner notes from his complete Mozart sonatas.
there's a bit somewhere here where he's all like "I really don't like Mozart", though he does later express his affection for the earlier of his works
David Martinez
the Menuet movements from classical sonata form works always suck cock
Connor Ward
>t.beethoven
Robert Lee
Piano newfag here, are free finger excersises like Hanon a meme, or do they work?
Alexander Long
Chopin Etudes work because they're written like actual pieces of music - but I suppose Hanon works too considering half the pianists from the 20th century were taught using them.
user.... some of the greatest composers of the XX century have been neoclassical
Jace Lee
Saint-Saens more like Semen-Slurper lol
Mason Thompson
yeah, and they wrote their best stuff before adopting neoclassicism
Ayden Gutierrez
Yeah? Martinu, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Casella?
Liam Green
ya I don't get the appeal of neoclassical, like why not cut the bull and listen to proper classical period music instead??
Robert Williams
>Prokofiev, Stravinsky 100% modernism
Luke King
>Stravinsky His best works are his first three ballets and his tone poem Le Chant Du Rossignol. This is not up for debate. >Prokofiev Granted, his best works are neoclassical. They're also lowbrow pop bullshit.
Juan Perry
Some of the greates compositions of Stravinsky are neoclassical in spirit. Also nobody comented on Martinu and Casella
Jonathan Parker
Well, Prokofiev had his classical symphony and Stravinsky his neoclassical middle period. Having established that, though, Prokofiev's classical symphony is mainly a joke piece, and Stravinsky's middle period is completely overshadowed by the meme three (Petrushka, Firebird, Rite of Spring) in terms of contributions to modern music.
>This is not up for debate. Oh it is you stuffed jackass, playing with classical forms is not neo-classicism, especially in the context of Stravinsky's adventurous spirit.
Brandon Phillips
lol that's like limiting your rock intake to, fucking, Lonnie Johnson, Chuck Berry and fucking Buddy Holly, you überfaggot, go die
Jace Barnes
>100% modernism 100% clueless post. Stravinsky was never modernist, he was a expressionist and then a neoclassical composer. And Prokofiev was obviously a stylistic whore (doing everything and anything which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but so obviously a neoclassical composer for the majority of his life. Are are you the retard who thinks modernism = 20th century/everything after romanticism? Because that's retarded. The last of modernism died with Strauss/Vier letzte Lieder.
Cameron Kelly
I don't give a shit about what makes his "adventurous" neoclassical works neoclassical. The fact that the works cited are his absolute best is undisputable.
Justin Mitchell
>limiting your rock intake I limit my rock intake to zero because it's shit.
Carson Moore
>Stravinsky was never modernist >The last of modernism died with Strauss/Vier letzte Lieder A U T I S M
Neoclassicism is literally only doing anything harmonically different while using old (baroque and classical) forms, silly. It's vague as shit and that's how it's supposed to be.
Jaxon Robinson
I personally believe the last true romantics where Arnold Bax and Kurt Atterberg
Juan Gutierrez
Not an argument. Take a look at what Wolf, Strauss and Mahler brought to the table and how it died with these exact same composers. There is no continuation of modernist tradition, it was gone after WW2. Try a book for once.
Hunter Kelly
tonnes of teens play in orchestras
Eli Russell
>undisputable Sure dickead
Caleb Hughes
>The last of modernism died with Strauss/Vier letzte Lieder. >what is the long XIXth century sounds like you don't even know what modernism is, but whatever. I'll agree that it's retarded to think that anything 20th century/after romanticism is "modern", though
Camden Howard
>how it died with these exact same composer opinion, not argument >There is no continuation of modernist tradition yes there was >it was gone after WW2 I'll agree to that, but there's 40 years between fin de siècle and WWII >Try a book for once. WHAT A COMPELLING ARGUMENT
Luis Jenkins
Not sure I would call them romantic (as opposed to neoromantic) since they were living in a modernist and expressionist era (breaking away with tradition) when they first started realising the world around them, but fair enough.
Eli Brown
>The fact that the works cited are his absolute best is undisputable. lots of bullshit. indisputable where, in your head? There are two major middle period pieces that are considered to be among his "absolute best" - Symphony of Psalms and The Rake's Progress
Brayden Smith
>Sure okay! glad to see you finally come to your senses >There are two major middle period pieces that are considered to be among his "absolute best" - Symphony of Psalms and The Rake's Progress keyword being "among"
Joseph Hall
What is modernism then, wise guy?
Well obviously it's an opinion and obviously it's an argument. Calling someone autistic however is only a (shitty) opinion. These debates around naming and boxing every composer into certain eras is vastly different in the Anglosphere and German world for example, it's down to interpretation and opinion; I'm just sharing mine.
>yes there was I mean after WWII but you've already commented further so we basically agree on that.
Charles Hill
>What is modernism then, wise guy? Don't come to me, to this general, to the fucking internet, looking to be quickly spoonfed so you can just barf whatever anyone tells you in an attempt to make it look inedible. We both know what modernism is, or at least we know its most significant characteristics and what made it a distinctive phenomenon. It's the goddamned end of the common practice period, you can't just declare it dead even before some of its most significative works in the style were created (other than those of late-Strauss/Mahler et al). 1913, 1916, 1920, 1925, hell, all the way to 1938, all saw amazing, archetypical modernist compositions that expanded upon Mahler and the like and brought the (admittedly brief) movement to its peak. Then, of course, WWII happened and things got a bit weird. >it's down to interpretation and opinion; I'm just sharing mine. Agreed, but implying modernism died with Strauss and Mahler is just myopic and thick.
Alexander Anderson
Some classical live music funded by extorted money of the german working class. enjoy
I'm actually listening to this concert on the radio. It's OK so far, but I'm not a huge fan of Orozco-Estrada. At least they release the majority of concerts on youtube compared to the other German radio symphony orchestras. Frankfurt just has the opera orchestra next to this one, so I wouldn't say say it's extorted money.
Samuel Wilson
>german radio symphony orchestras id say symphony orchestras in general missing out a great opportunity to make bank
William Cook
according to your nonsense babby logic Schnittke is also neoclassicism. >that's how it's supposed to be. No it's not how it's supposed to be.
Ryan Cox
>Schnittke what the hell is he then, other than terrible
Brayden Lopez
On youtube you have the problem that especially classical music gets attributed to the wrong orchestras by their shitty copyright system. So Naxos gets the ad revenue for recordings that don't even belong to them.
Nolan Brown
nearly there boys, we can finally listen to the one of the great culminations of the Baroque era tomorrow
Zachary Turner
good friday is in two weeks bro
Thomas Ortiz
Thoughts on Ludovico Einaudi? I've been enamoured by his new album. This track in particular. youtube.com/watch?v=juna42yknaY
>I spent a quarter of my savings to watch the maestro play live in London, travelling all the way from India Wow what a shocker, Einaudi fans are street shitting retards
Tyler Hughes
mein gott, mein gott, warum hast du mich verlassen
Saw him play for free in Switzerland last summer. Feels good to be european
Ethan Smith
>Really enjoyed the swelling bet you did, fag
Christopher Torres
I have an album of his, Stanze I think. Both that and this kinda bore me to tears with how...milquetoast, I guess, and twee his style is. Can hardly stand it
>Agreed, but implying modernism died with Strauss and Mahler is just myopic and thick. Only with Strauss, really. He was the last true modernist composer in my opinion and when he died in 1945, people were moving on (neoclassicism, serialism for example) and not composing in that style. It's obviously a simplistic (yet overly romantic) statement to say it died with him.
Jacob Diaz
>nonsense babby logic I'd like to hear your better definition of neoclassicism. Schnittke is obviously a postmodern composer though because he used traditional/folk and pop/film music elements in his music; it wasn't a "return" to old forms in the neoclassical sense, but a mash of everything that ever was, a collage, typical postmodernism.
