sorry to fella from previous thread im english and i had school so i went to sleep glad you found it in the end, he really does write some of the best fugues/fughettas theres like 2 or 3 in lady mcbeth of mtsensk
Jaxon Sullivan
A like for you
Bentley Carter
fucks sake this is slowly turning into reddit
Julian Barnes
You've never experienced an april fool's prank on Yea Forums?
does anybody have that video where a cringy and edgy guy named charlie or some shit like that was shouting at his mic while an orchestra played a shittier version of stravinsky in the background, it was spammed a few times a few months ago
I agree, but you gotta overreact if you want people here to actually listen to it
Josiah Martin
Not true btw
Daniel Long
faganini
Ayden King
Well they certainly can, but usually don't. Concerts are a middle class thing don't forget, the cadenzas are almost always just a pile of showbiz designed to wet the panties of young lasses with wealthy parents.
Hunter Baker
>Blanche Bustabo (Guila's mother) decided that Guila would remain in Europe and perform in Germany and Nazi-occupied countries during World War II. >Jean Sibelius reportedly said of her performance of his own violin concerto at his estate in 1937 that she played it just as he "envisioned it when I composed it". man, she's good. Sometimes I swear never wanting to listen to the meme concertos because of boring renditions, but then I hear someone like her playing and bringing the joy back listening to them. Thanks for posting her.
How do I get the good touch? I've been trying to play the First Exercise at 60bpms but I can't get to play it fluid. My fingers seem like they were drunk.
Gotta add Chopin to the etudes list then.
Daniel Ward
they were you flaming retards Do you consider Bach and Wagner to be great for the exact same reasons?
>comparing two composers which lived two centuries of difference in time with two composers that lived in the same period (both born in 1810)
Charles Long
and who are both known for piano repertoire and rhythmic invention.
Jordan Gomez
Then compare Brahms and Wagner (literally considered opposing schools of music at the time) Your idea that all composers from the same era have to write the exact same kind of music is still flawed
Colton Hall
Can you stop dodging the fucking question and tell me why Chopin is supposed to be great? I never said that they wrote in the same style. But it's obvious that they are both more conservative than Wagner, and therefore, more similar in their conservative romanticism
Julian Sanders
Your idea that composers from different eras and milieu's is wrong and aggressively cuckpilled.
Kevin Russell
I'm not dodging the question. Chopin is good but not great. He's considered great because he popularized the main style of romantic piano music but he stole that from Mozart (and Field) so the point is moot.
Adrian Russell
>how do I get the good touch? your fingers should not lift off of the keys only the finger in use should have force, the rest should be resting on the keyboard (not lifted up!) a big component of touch is also the transition between different notes
Hudson Stewart
some of them at least I respect though, like cage for example did not take himself that seriously
well if you listen to the perilous night it is clear at least he didn't have any hangups about "post-african repetitions" I mean I'm not into the aleatoric bullshit but at least he was a pretty positive guy
Thomas Price
>he was a nice guy
Who gives a fuck? Do you think, every time you come across a nice homeless guy "Ah man, that dude is a nice guy, he should have tenure at a major educational institution." Harry Partch actually was a hobo with tenure and he made music of more value than anything Cage shat out by magnitudes (not that that is saying much). I guess Cage was more of a rentboy than a hobo.
Just as Philip Glass was the biggest timesink in Nadia Boulanger's pedagogical career, John Cage was an even more offensive waste of time in the pedagogical career of a great composer, Schoenberg.
Albinoni is definitely not inferior to Zelenka and Handel
John Baker
How the fuck was 12:12 not the most basic bitch baroque you've ever heard. If like Classical era composers, you listen to Mozart, Haydn, Gluck, Cherubini etc... not fucking Salieri. There's no justification for listening to Telemann, et alone Al Baloney.
Plenty. Generally I don't waste my time because why listen to something that's not classical? Even if I'm in the mood for something light, classical can scratch that itch. But every once in awhile I end up listening to something different. Discovered this album the other night.
I'm new to classical, could you guys guys point me to the most based and redpilled composers I should be listening to? Just the most non-Jewish composers would be great. I'd really appreciate a quick rundown on where I should start
I'd really appreciate a rundown of where to start with classical. Should I just start by listening to all of beethovens best stuff? What's the best way to work through major composers in a chronological order
>Coined by Luigi Nono in his 1958 lecture "Die Entwicklung der Reihentechnik" (Nono 1975, 30; Fox 1999, 111–12), Darmstadt School describes the uncompromisingly serial music >serial music nice try though
The main theme (opening) is HAUNTING. Feels like : the hardworking man's passage through life ... striding ... ploughing ... falling ... rising ... Awesome.
you should get his Mahler and Beethoven symphonies as well
Noah White
start with Mozart and then work yourself backward and forward in time simultaneously
Nolan Wood
no retard, Scriabin was one of the greatest formalists ever and his music is incredible
Jackson Torres
This but with Beethoven, Mozart is practically irrelevant in the grand scheme, yes he influenced Beethoven But it was the deafman the one who changed the course of music
Tyler Bell
*ahem* Mehul anticipated romanticism, not the pathetic incel deafman
Also, do not listen to anyone who says "start with Mozart". They're just assuming you're a normie and you should start where everyone starts. Worst suggestion ever, and you should be mad at them.
Nathaniel Cooper
>I know that better than you wow ur so much smarter eat a dick
Ryan Torres
Fuck Mozart. Unironically one of the worst composers ever.
Why are gooks so obsessed with classical music? Especially to teach it to their childern as early as possible?
Kevin Long
Why are you so obsessed with twirling your naked dick on the face of 2D cartoon girls?
Angel Hernandez
What the fuck as my personal lifestyle to do with the question I made?
Jonathan Garcia
What are some good pieces for the soprano recorder where it's one of the main instruments, also with at least a harpsichord among others. Not really familiar with classical terminology so probably could have said that better.
Carson Perez
>music
Jason Wood
What the fuck has a gook's personal lifestyle to do with the question you made?
Ryan Bennett
Because I want to know why gooks are so obsessed with classical music... ? Are you straight retarded?
Josiah Williams
My first ever good post in /classical/ and it gets ignored🙁
Jayden Wilson
have a like❤️
Aaron Sullivan
Yeah, and they probably want to know why you're so obsessed with twirling your naked dick on the face of underage girls. Better to stop questioning everything, don't you think?
embarrassing, chopin is a genius: his ultimate gift was his melodic sense which was much more chromatic than even what beethoven and liszt or wagner were doing around the same time, and regarding form his rhythmic sense is unusually syncopated and anticipated the late romantics/early modernists love of pushing rhythms across bar lines and rubato to the point of necessitating the designation of bars with different time signatures
not really... but he was one of the composers that got me into classical when I couldn't understand chord progressions more complex than rock or pop songs. So I think it's okay that his music is still around.
Jackson Ramirez
>wrote one-movement "sonatas" >the greatest formalist of all time I have heard some stupid opinions before but yeesh
so... how does the number of movements determine whether one is a good formalist or not? Isn't overcoming traditions a feature of a genius?
Joseph Peterson
because you don't have a sense of humor
Caleb Lewis
Favorite national styles of music? Mine are French, Slavic, American and Spanish
Connor White
Spanish, Hungarian and Romanian for me
Ryan Jones
I like Scriabin. But I think it's downright bizarre to call someone whose works are characterized by such loose structure and abandonment of tradition a formalist. I think his failure to create enduring longform works also attests to this.
Adrian Martinez
>he believes in nationalities
Ian Brown
what? loose structure? abandonment of tradition? even his most "out there" and late works have a dry adherence to sonata form.
Jaxon Jones
Scriabin's handling of sonata form really does take schemata as its starting point - as opposed to say, Mozart or Haydn, where it was a flexible, natural idiom. In Scriabin, sonata form is a succession of melodic ideas, it is divorced from the harmonic dimension of the music - it's a fetishized crutch for Scriabin's static/post-tonal harmony, to make it digestible.
Julian Hall
Can anyone here recommend something that sounds like this sublime piece of music youtu.be/OPlK5HwFxcw
He is tho, Mozart was the jacob collier of his era, people only knew him as ""le child prodigy""" He didn't put his seed in the history of music like Beethoven
Brandon Jackson
he put his seed and feed into the suck and fuck of history.
Kevin White
nice meme but still Mozart is irrelevant his 2 more famous pieces one is literally background music And the other is something he didn't even finish and is probably all composed by his pupil Why not listening to Beethoven instead?
Landon Miller
Listen**
Parker Powell
mozart is the culmination of the style of simplistic grace, galant, pioneered in the classical era he also adds depth to it by occasionally adding flashes of sharp intellectuality, even in his lesser known symphonies thats my opinion anyway
Easton Williams
Based Gould
John Sanders
bait harder
Brandon Reyes
this place is becoming worse than /pol/ too many layers of irony what is real
little overrated on this board criminally underrated in the real world roughly balances out
Brayden Torres
Just wanted to say that I am more based than all of you put together, because I hate both Mozart and Beethoven.
Brody Butler
what about haydn
Robert Wilson
Fuck him and Bach too.
famous = bad
Christian Russell
worst bait
Joshua Collins
He's just slightly better, but slightly.
Sadly, classicism is not my thing. It's weird, though, because I really like classicism in the visual arts.
However I really like Gluck, Cherubini and Rossini.
Bait. Bach is awesome, and baroque will always be infinitely superior to every degenerate attempt to make music in the following centuries.
Samuel Morales
fair play man
Andrew Lopez
>Bach is awesome, and baroque will always be infinitely superior to every degenerate attempt to make music in the following centuries. Based and true, a hard pill to swallow even for me that i'm not a Baroquelet
>there's a new guy at work >he's from Hungary >I ask him Liszt or Bartok >he says Kodaly Do I trust him?
Elijah Campbell
New edition
Lincoln Sullivan
Bump
Angel Price
>people only knew him as ""le child prodigy""" this is wrong, though. in-fact, Mozart and Haydn were considered the ur-Romantics of their time if you read the contemporary writings of that era. Beethoven (especially late Beethoven, which was hyper-classical in style) was ignored largely by the romantics, aside from a few cases like Mendelssohn, who instead turned to the re-discovered music of Bach, Hummel, and Clementi.
Colton Cooper
but the melodic and harmonic ideas of his mature pieces do not follow this kind of formal structure. there is a rhythmic freedom too which suggests to me that his first principle in composition, at least at these scales, was his ear. and this is further suggested by his synaesthesia.
