Get a teacher. Ask them if you play with your fingers or your arms. If they say it’s complicated stick around. If they say fingers don’t go back.
Daniel White
A drum kit and advanced techniques for the modern drummer. Also Barry Harris scale stuff. The theory to rhythm is pure praxis. It’s a feeling not a fact
Because in the 70s that was a typical porn setup. Pizza man comes over, girl doesn't have the money to pay for the pizza so they bang. Now porn is a lot more meta and postmodern.
Asher James
>Now porn is a lot more meta and postmodern Explain
Jack King
Why would you want anyone to explain that sentence
Michael Ward
Because I'm interested in pornography... ?
Jeremiah Lewis
Its just a joke you dip. Porn nowadays doesn't have a setup and the theme is just "we're making a porno".
any of Brahms's chamber works any good? I like the symphonies and concertos, the late piano pieces and the first two piano sonatas, but the clarinet quintet op.115 made me want to commit hiroshima
I just listened to Mozarts Requiem conducted by Peter Schreier. Its beautiful, but I'll never fully appreciate it. I know nothing about classical music theory or composing. I only know Beethoven, Debussy, and Erik Satie. I don't think I'll expand much beyond these as I'm only so far interested in this genre. But I can appreciate classical music on the surface level.
Jacob Miller
Don't worry. Only 1/3rd of it is actually Mozart anyway.
Absolutely embarrassing thread, this board is full of neanderthals.
Samuel Williams
how to shake off my distaste for romantic music? specifically that of schumann and brahms, and their followers
Hudson Robinson
Stop being a faggot, learn and accept the aesthetic and philosophical context in which the music was created.
Evan Jones
The translated version of the aria is the best copy up on YT.
Jonathan Ward
>Stop being a faggot rude >learn and accept the aesthetic and philosophical context in which the music was created I am aware, but aside its value in serving as a music history artefact, it's still ugly as sin
Kayden Reyes
Ugly is subjective. If it doesn't sound good to you then don't listen to it.
Andrew Edwards
Move on if you've given them a fair shake. Either you will eventually like them or it is your taste. Britten listened through Brahm's works multiple times trying to enjoy it and he never did.
saw beethoven 9 last night for the first time (under rattle) i like ode to joy, i really do, but for me that third movement is just too good (live) its even better that the slow movement from the emperor concerto
Nathaniel Rodriguez
u sure tho
Jordan Smith
What's up with all Amazon reviewers praising Kollo as Siegfried I can't stand his voice
Isaac Stewart
Probably Kollo writing them all desu
Nathan Carter
Do you use any kind of visuals while listening to /classical/ or do you browse Yea Forums? Or do you just close your eyes? Currently watching this youtube.com/watch?v=yIMDgPKgN1w
I stare at whatever the album cover/youtube thumbnail is In concert I close my eyes because the performers are too distracting and I end up just looking at them instead of listening
Easton Jenkins
I think he's fine. I mean, sure, I would rather Jess Thomas hadn't lost his voice so fast but after Windgassen there are so few choices. Jung has the tone right but the diction and technicalities are mediocre. Hans Hopf is lol. Brilioth is almost great but he lacks the bravado and charisma. Goldberg's diction and acting leave me wanting as well, though otherwise he's good enough. Jerusalem is decent. Hofmann could have been great - and was as Siegmund - but he never recorded as Siegfried. Kollo could speak the language, act the part, and he sounded youthful enough which makes him better than most in the post-Windgassen era insofar as consistency is concerned. And frankly I can only think of one or two other Siegfrieds since Kollo that I've been able to enjoy enough. He's absolutely C grade but he's consistent and competent enough. Everyone else these days tends to be D or even F grade. Heldentenors are practically dead (with a few exceptions, though they aren't particularly famous) so compromises unfortunately have to be made.
Parker Long
Kollo is based
Asher Rodriguez
His voice sounds metallic and wobbly to me. Side note, could jonas kaufmann even try Siegfried at some point?
Jeremiah Long
Shut up Kollo
Robert Rodriguez
There's numerous recordings of Kaufmann doing Siegmund. Whether or not he has the ability to pull off Siegfried - which is many times more taxing - is another question altogether. He's a decent enough Siegmund and is probably shaping up to be the big heldentenor of the 21st century if he continues. So I would say it's possible but we'll just have to see. There's a lot of tenors that stop at Siegmund and for good reason - most people simply do not have the stamina for it.
Someone should make an edit of this, add everyone else missing.
Benjamin Diaz
Someone needs to go back in time and tell Wagner to make his roles easier
Levi Myers
He wanted to thin the orchestration in Tristan but died before he got around to it
Grayson Williams
Why don't we record our own Ring and call it the Yea Forums Cycle.
Henry Lewis
remember for all our knowledge, we're still a Yea Forums board autism limits us
Joseph Bell
A big problem is that since Wagner's day orchestras have only got bigger and singing practices have leaned in an entirely different direction. The practices of Wagner's time are not entirely dissimilar from the kind of lean singing you get in HIP recordings. I think if we made orchestras smaller and cut down on vibrato bullshit you'd get a better result.
But honestly part of the reason Wagner is so fun is how hard it is to perform. It's kind of like Beethoven's late works, don't you think? Like the Hammerklavier or Missa Solemnis. Incredibly difficult to perform, but when it's done right it makes it all the more satisfying.
I wonder how that guy who said he was going to become a heldentenor is these days.
yes im sure Hans is enjoying unlimited success right now
Brandon Evans
Based
Aiden Campbell
good youtube channels for introduction into / the history of classical music?
Carter Bailey
All Upper Middle-Brows report in
Andrew Gray
History I'm not so sure but Music Matters is pretty good for theory
Chase Long
He said history you fucking retard
Aiden Reed
I've thought about something like this on a smaller scale; maybe a chamber piece could be easily recorded, or a non-chamber piece where the strings are rerecorded over and over. Use a set BPM as a basis and have someone mix it.
Dylan Wright
he said 'introduction into "dash" history', so I assumed "introduction into" meant general theory.
no youre supposed to be raptured as reality splits itself at the seams due to the sheer force of the music composed by a superhuman
Ethan Foster
Listening to Turangalîla now. I wonder how many times Cynthia Millar already accompanied this piece on the ondes Martenot. This was recorded a few hours ago in Paris: dailymotion.com/video/x74yveh
Aiden King
"Like all Italians, Cobra is a charlatan." --W.A. Mozart
Zachary Martinez
>tfw virtually every actual artist I've met falls into the lowbrow category feels good man
Camden Ward
Well, now seems to have been resolved in a good way for everybody
James Parker
But he's Brazillian
Asher Anderson
>balletfags
Nolan Robinson
I just realized Kollo's fine without headphones. For some reason he doesn't sound as wobbly
>reminder Why would I care about some unimportant faggtos opinion about class? Lets all be pretentious and buy some high brow shit so I'm above the rest.
Anyone else make always sure that the recordings are played by non-jews?
Justin Johnson
Jesus Christ, identity politics sure is even more ridiculous in classical music...
Brandon Perry
I'm sorry but Jewish music is shite, they quite literally killed music
Lucas Brown
>literally
Jaxson Cruz
What about Mendelssohn, you dipshit?
Kevin Miller
or Mahler or Weinberg or Shoenberg
Anthony James
Ignoring the obvious baiting, that would be almost impossible unless you want to settle for Chinese factory kids. There are so many great Jewish performers.
Eli Anderson
Wagner was right about all of them desu Urbanite Jews saw the great music the Germans made at the time, but only could imitate them.
Noah Parker
Wagner was projecting. As usual.
Jason Powell
im pretty sure shoenberg developing a method to permanently break the bonds of tonality isnt an attempt at imitation of the Austro-German tradition
Kayden Fisher
Wagner was just imitating Beethoven’s 9th symphony.
Parker Sanchez
sounds like hans has been watching the norton lectures
Kayden Thompson
Wagner was a jew kiddo
Michael Jenkins
go fuck yourself
Evan Rodriguez
Schönberg's attempt at breaking tonality was laughable at best - the only thing he created was badly written music in a-minor Music is about tones, if you haven't noticed
Jace Ross
Most of the best soloists and conductors are Jews
Jonathan Sanchez
>Anyone else make always sure that the recordings are played by non-jews? >I'm sorry but Jewish music is shite, they quite literally killed music
>badly written not sure about that, regardless of the tonal qualities of his work his orchestration is consistently good if i had the choice between a repetitive Corelli trio sonata and a 12tone shoenberg quartet, im pretty certain id choose the shoenberg its all relative though man
also if you are going to dismiss any reply to you by race then you are fucking retarded by not judging the content of the critique but to stay in the simply surface of the exterior
Adrian Gutierrez
Based, you should check Helmut Rilling for the Cantatas that Richter didn't record for example this youtu.be/Z1mYwJeX5Mo
Jonas Kaufmann is going to nuke his voice/is nuking his voice and everybody knows it he's not a fucking helden and he's nothing like one I wouldn't even call him a spinto; he's like a heavy lyric who screams in his throat
Anthony Howard
Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
Blake Smith
If X = the amount of musical theory knowlegde of the listener, and Y = the enjoyment he gets out of listening to a certain composer:
For which composer would the graph be most similar to the one of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
You're entirely correct. Though that doesn't really stop him from being lauded as one - practically every review of his Siegmund is fanatical. I really never understood the Kaufmann cult myself.
>The majority of Heldentenors are true tenors and will never have sung as anything else; but there is another route to the heavier voice – by way of high baritone. When young, some heavy tenors have no top to their voices, and are either wrongly classified as baritones, or may pass through a high baritone phase on the way to acquiring the high notes necessary to fulfil their tenor destiny. This can result in a short high baritone career, or a long wait and a late start as a tenor. Usually, this sort of voice ends up as the heavier variety of Heldentenor, and often starts his Wagnerian career with Loge, Parsifal and Siegmund, as these are the Wagner roles without high notes or high lines. How they proceed is a matter of skill or strength in most cases. True baritones are not among their number. These voices are rare, difficult to teach, and require both luck and will power from their owners.
are asian classical musicians soulless or is that a gimmick. the types that become really good seem to be philistines from what ive seen though
Joseph Powell
Yeah some of them are really good performers, such as Seong Jin Cho. But performing mainly draws from the subconscious, so maybe they innately have a good feel for the music, but haven't a clue when it comes to the historical and philosophical background.
Or perhaps they simply have trouble putting it into English.
Andrew Morales
yeah i think thats fair. i was thinking of lang lang so maybe its a had example anyhow
Owen Evans
I think Mitsuko Uchida is good, her Mozart Concerto cycle is quite nice, and she seems to know her stuff and generally has good taste, based on what she performs and records anyway.
Andrew Perez
nice
Charles Price
they used to say the same thing about russian violinists. look how history has judged them
Josiah Cox
What the fuck is Pristine Classicals "Ambient Stereo" remaster to old mono recordings?
Nathaniel Smith
fuck, this is good should I ignore eveything Wagner said of this guy?
Julian Gonzalez
Is there a list of absolutely entry level classical songs like Ellens gesang.
Carson Scott
they were jews
Camden Mitchell
Rather than fake stereo which tries to emulate, well, stereo, the ambient stereo is essentially just Mr. Rose taking a mono recording and adding some air around it. Think of it in terms of width - it still is unmistakably mono but now it fills both ears more and sounds a bit more wet. It's honestly kind of a meme. What he does is that he simply runs a recording through Harbal, which is a program for audio editing that has a few functions, EQ matching included. It doesn't do anything for me, give me mono any day, but it seems popular enough. Even more retarded are those "3D" mono recordings on YouTube which make absurd esoteric claims about being based on physics of the original mics and yada yada. Boomers fall for it though.
Asher Wilson
Francly Wagner was mostly a pseud
Cooper Watson
on a bassoon?
Gavin Jones
Alkan
Hunter Lopez
Have you heard that music isn't only about tonality? Have you ever heard of musical forms, motive development, articulation, gesticulation...?
>Schönberg's attempt at breaking tonality was laughable at best If turning harmony on its head and influencing at the very least the next century is laughable, then sure. >the only thing he created was badly written music in a-minor Ah, yes. The musically illiterate and Schoenberg hating in one - now that's a new one! >Music is about tones, if you haven't noticed Good thing his music has tones, then.
Jace Hill
Petzold
David Miller
>Have you ever heard of musical forms, motive development, articulation, gesticulation...? yup they all suck
top kok I like it though that the Finnish composers after Sibelius and Rautavaara have another access to composing than their continental avant-garde counterparts.
>music isnt only about tonality yea im pretty sure he wasnt trying to imitate the austro-german qualities of those features either, by the time he was in full 12tone swing
His so-called "music" is only for Nihilist Masochists who were memed by this post-modern classical world Dont fall for the meme and enjoy the beautiful music we have youtu.be/_mKUYMQsFwM
>meme Mozart piece I mean I disagree with the guy on atonality, but the Mozart piece is really good
Oliver Harris
>meme Mozart piece This is really pathetic and disrespectful to Mozart's ouvre
Dominic Fisher
>*facepalm* Please never post again
Michael Stewart
No Mozart piece is good because they sound pretty and that's bad
Jaxson Rodriguez
I'm not saying its bad, you nincompoops. I'm saying that its not much of a contribution. At least don't just post the first recording at the top of the search results, if you're going to post such an easy-to-come-by piece.
>inb4 he thinks I'm saying "I know you are but what am I" because he doesn't know how the fucking meme works.
Kevin Stewart
Quit shilling
Joshua Jones
New edition
Gavin Cox
t. Nihilist Masochist
William Anderson
That's exactly what you're saying. When you reply to a post with "t." and a following descriptor you're implying that description applies to the posts you replied to, not your own
Mason Adams
no, if you want to do that, you greentext newfag. the "t." meme is for signing posts.
why the fuck did the new thread get deleted? we're on 314 posts
Owen Howard
New edition
Samuel Barnes
The joke is that he's finishing the post he replied to you retard, implying he's the same poster. Like replying "oops sorry wrong image, meant to post this" when it's obviously not you that posted before Or like me replying to your post with this name and saying "sorry forgot my name"
Landon Cook
it had a problem but I fixed it
Andrew Cook
then he still has to greentext. How can you not know that greentext is basically a more versatile quotation method?
