Did he really add anything special to the band? lbr
Did he really add anything special to the band? lbr
Jacob Morgan
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Connor Clark
Sorta. His biggest contribution is teaching James and Kirk how to harmonize. Kirk even said that for Orion, Cliffs solo was supposed to be Kirks and cliff used a lot of the original licks.
Grayson Carter
He wrote a ton of riffs, and he was the only one who knew theory and harmony.
So, yes.
Jeremiah Torres
Metallica would have been largely different had he not died, that much is certain. It seemed like he was the only person James and Lars looked up to, and without him it was up to them to run the show.
Elijah White
Some yes but his role in the band is highly overrated by his death
Ryan Ortiz
>he wrote a ton of riffs.
Like what? The dude has 1 writing credit for Kill em all and 3 for Mop.
Most of his contribution is on Ride the lightning. You say he wrote a TON of riffs but a lot of those credits were stuff like Fight fire with fire's intro (Which is a rendition of a classical piece) or the bass intro for Damage inc. Others are probably the harmonizes on Ride, but even then that's not clear.
Zachary Jenkins
I think he wrote the ascending/descending part in MOP too.
I don't know exactly really, but even Kirk said in the Cliff biography that he would write a ton of shit on a goldtop Les Paul he owned.
Angel Cooper
He also wrote the entire mid section on Ride the Lightning if I recall correctly.
Liam Thomas
He wrote a lot for metallica, whether they gave him adequate credit or not. He also was probably the first metal bass musician to be a showman that wasnt a wanker, next to steve harrison
Ayden Walker
He did "write" that riff. I say that in quotes because it's obvious that it was heavily inspired by a riff in one of David Bowies songs but whatever.
David Jackson
Him being showy was the most cringe part of early Metallica next to the lyrics though
>woah dude! he's playing bass like it was a lead guitar! sounds like shit, but how rad!
Jeremiah Lewis
Based nihilist user nothing should be good or fun, and different things are tryhard and cringey fuck that noise.
Bentley Green
He kept James and Lars from aggressively jerking each other off. He never would have allowed Load, Reload, or St. Anger to happen.
Hunter Jones
Michael Hernandez
>worst opinion
>early metallica (pre black album) are a lot better
>only 2 songs with lead bass in the first 3 albums.
>1 being a solo song and another being Orion
How the fuck was he showing off. If he was showing off he would have had a solo on more than 2 songs. The fucker is also pretty much buried in the mix on ride and mop. The guy was definitely not a show off.
Jacob Cooper
lol I'm curious to know what that guy's opinion of the bassist of The Who
a guy who I love as a player but is unmistakably wanky yet somehow incredibly tasteful too
one of the best bass guitarists ever
Carson Howard
>early metallica (pre black album) lyrics are better.
Samuel Nelson
Meh, it just reminds me of other overly praised acts of "genius" that annoy me to no end
It's funny when the guy from Anvil plays guitar with a dildo because nobody is expected to take it seriously
Landon Morris
Don't listen to Lightning Bolt if you think Cliff Burton's playing is a vulgar display of showy bass chops, user. You're gonna freak.
Isaac Richardson
I wouldn't anyway.
In any case, it's not Burton's chops I'm hating on, it's the gimmicky bullshit known as "pulling teeth" which cliche Metallica fans will praise as being the most genius work of art ever because, woah, a bass but like a guitar!! MIND BLOWN
Oliver Gray
Which is literally only one song. They never did anything like that again or even had a part in a song that was remotely similar.
People praise him because he's dead but that doesn't mean that you should make up shit to justify your irrational opinion. "waa, cliffy boy is a show off" even though he isn't.
Bentley Gutierrez
Again, don't get out of whichever "bassists should stick to the root note in the background and call it a day" box you are, cause there's some real scary bass players out there for you mang, don't even think of googling Royal Blood.
I mean to be fair he does show off in the intro to FWTBT and has a solo in Orion too.
Dominic James
W-wait what's your definition of showing off? Writing a solo or a riff?
Orion is definitely not showing off. It's literally just a solo. A solo that that used a lot of Kirks licks. A show up would definitely not have used another persons licks in their solo.
The studio version of FWTBT is literally just a riff. The same way that Jr's riff in peace sells is just a riff.
Sure cliff plays some licks in between the riff live but that's mostly because they stopped playing Anesthesia. So again. at most you can say is that he shows off live on only 2 songs and in studio on only 1 song.
Ethan Gray
I'm using showing off as a good thing user, the FWTBT intro is literally the reason why I started playing bass myself.
Jaxon Gomez
I'm not making anything up, Pulling Teeth was cringe to me and always will be, not because it was a gimmick or because it was showy, but because it was the definition of pretentious...treated as if it was some grand or profound achievement when it wasn't really all that much.
It's one of the worst things I can name about the early Metallica days, aside from like I said the lyrics, which were really nerdy even for "hey lets just rock n roll boys" type shit
James Walker
You're right user it's just another one of those dime-a-dozen effects heavy bass solos so common in metal music why would he be proud or recognized for any of that when literally everybody else was doing it like uh... uh... like uh...
And yeah I love those "let's just rock n roll boys" parts in every early Metallica's song about capital punishment and the plagues of Egypt and the four horsemen of the apocalypse that shit is so cringey.
Caleb Gutierrez
I mistook you for the other dude but even then, FWTBT is not showing off (in studio). It's just a riff.
You've got a really sad mentality. You find pulling teeth to be "cringe" because... other people praise it? What does that have to do with pulling teeth or Cliff Burton? The fuck?
>It's one of the worst things I can name about the early Metallica days, aside from like I said the lyrics, which were really nerdy even for "hey lets just rock n roll boys" type shit
So you're literally only talking about Hit the lights, Motorbreath and whiplash. hmm. yeah, early metallica lyrics were so cringe. So glad they only had 3 songs talking about rocking out because if there was anymore you'd probably die from a cringe overdose.
Parker Gonzalez
I'm talking about early Metallica, can you read?
And Four Horsemen is not a biblical song, it's another teen rebellion song dressed up with metal language like the whole album is. They didn't write a "serious" song until RTL, which isn't what I mean when I say "the early days"
Cameron White
Don't get Ron McGovney involved now user he ain't done no one wrong.
Also look at this little devil dude hehe ready to just rock n' roll with the boys tonight.
Christian Lewis
Actually a lot. He was classicaly trained and contributed to the early metalluca records. Especially you can hear it in Kirk’s solos, that coincidentally turned to shit monotonous pentatonic wanking after Cliff’s death.
Charles Cooper
>And Four Horsemen is not a biblical song, it's another teen rebellion song dressed up with metal language like the whole album is. They didn't write a "serious" song until RTL, which isn't what I mean when I say "the early days"
Four Horsemen is a hell of a lot more serious than Mechanix
Easton Diaz
>he was the only one who knew theory and harmony.
James was at the time a trained musician