Do you guys believe in separating the artist from their art?

Fpbp

plot twist: the kids fucked michael

Unironically this. People stanning a dead man who hadn’t been relevant since the very early 90s is pathetic beyond all measure. They defend him as if their lives depend on it, it’s sad

no taste

No.
But that doesn't mean I can't be objective about their music.

I understand that MJ raped and traumatized several children, but I also understand that he made music that I don't care for.

No. I love his music now.

>pleading the Fifth on an anonymous imageboard
But why though

To some extent yeah. However the art is always an extension or part of the personality of the author

read the whole thing dumbass

>but I also understand that he made music that I don't care for

stop lying on the internet to sound edgy

yes

Attached: IMG_2528.jpg (1500x951, 1.1M)

MJ was always shit
thriller kinda good tho

Depends on the artist and the art in question. Doing that as a rule is retarded. The only people who say I have to seperate art from artist are critics. Critics don't have anything valuable to say because they make their money from imposing their values over other people's art. They aren't special and they can speak for no one.

I would separate art from artist for MJ, because despite how fucked up the crimes in question were, his music is basically eternal.

I wouldn't do such a thing for Orson Scott Card or for Burzum though. Orson Scott Card was against gay marriage and I can't support that as a bisexual person. I don't think what he had to offer was more valuable than that.

The guy from Burzum is a vehement outspoken racist and murderer. The worst qualities in a human being can be found in that guy. No amount of decent music is going to make me want to support him. It's evident that his music has driven young impressionable fans to adopt similar racist mentalities.

So I would say no to MJ because the value of his art transends his personhood.

But yes to Burzum and yes to Orson Scott Card because for me, their deeds do not transcend their personhood. If that makes any sense.

>no to mj cause it doesnt directly affect me but yes to osc & varg because it does directly affect me
did I get that?

>gay man thinks pedophilia is more acceptable than homophobia
checks out

Agreed, but stan is a retarded word

yes because 100% of all artists i enjoy are literally retarded

YOUR BUTT IS MINE

I mean DFW stalked and harassed that one author, that doesn’t mean there’s no value in his work. The same obsessiveness behind that is the same obsessiveness that permeates other elements of his writing that makes it so great.
I feel like when it comes to this kind of stuff it depends on what the art itself is directed towards, like with MJ he definitely did have a sense of art behind his pop music but at the same time this was music made to appeal to a wide range of people through his expression, it was innovative yes but largely in a social sense, and by extension through his identity. Now if someone who did something revolutionary or with a specific artistic significance came under fire (or even certain movie directors, for example) this would be a bit different because it’s not like these achievements can just be discounted because of their flaws elsewhere. This is still true for MJ to an extent but lesser so since what he did is so specifically directed into the public domain, both conceptually and after the fact. Like if someone makes something great in an eternal way that does make things different to the point where they cannot just be discarded, so I guess I’m saying I disagree on the specific MJ part but I think I agree with you in a broader sense.
It’s also of course like whatever holds the most cards in any specific person, like I’m basically gay but I don’t identify with much of the societal gay norms I guess, so I’m not as explicitly put off by hearing that an author might have anti LGB sentiments for example would be disappointing but I wouldn’t feel put off by reading it (isn’t the Animal Farm guy that way? Though he is from a different period so that changes things). But honestly it’s the hyper-opinionated people that seem to be hardest to separate what they make from what they are for me.

>soulless

yes
I don't know the names, skin color, political opinions and wrong/rightdoings of 50% of the bands I listen to
most of what I know I learn because of Yea Forums posting about it
and also this

>racist

loving your own race and knowing there are mental and physical differences that run deeper than melanin does not equal hating other races

>murderer

he killed him first before he was killed, even though it was illegal, he made sure he stayed alive. many people in the scene that knew euronymous and varg say that varg is a good guy, euronymous was crazy and was likely to kill varg first. its the same dude who took a picture of his friend's suicide (after likely driving him to it) instead of first calling the police

On God bro

>factory-produced soulless
You act like it matters who wrote the song.

No Michael would mean no “Janny are you okay” so MJ is forever based.

found the rapfag lmao

No, we should judge his music by the things he did to these children

Always. I've been forced to listen to shit like Culture Club, George Michael and Madonna growing up because of my mother and even found some of their songs enjoyable.

>Jackson's success relies on the fluid, expansive, "white" vocal qualities and disco atmosphere (not only the beat, but also the shrewd arrangements of Quincy Jones). But above all on the still childish personality (the way of dancing on stage, the way of dressing with plastic visor, short striped trousers, white socks, white shirt, the lyrics of his songs filled with harmless phantoms). Neutral sex, neutral race, neutral age, Jackson perhaps reflects the need of teenagers to worship a new type of clown.

Attached: Piero.jpg (209x204, 7K)

>lol I'm gay
>I'll listen to a pedophile, but not a homophobe
Christfags were right about you people.

>Inplying that having a ghostwriter in hip hop isn’t a bigger deal than any other genre.

You have no rationality.

MJ was falsely accused

Sleeping with chidren is weird as fuck though.

>a white supremacist but not a racist
classic

I like all music.
But it seriously doesn't matter who writes the song. Sure it adds a layer of depth the experience, but that's all auxiliary, it's not necessary.

So every mother is weird as fuck?

Generally speaking, I do, but I don't give people who can't a hard time.

>his music is basically eternal.
You must be a very deep person.

What the fuck do you have to say Bitch

Prove it.

That kid just saw him when he came out of the shower and Michael obviously forgot to put a towel on. Easy mistake to make took out of all proportion.

Funny thing about the legal system... guilt has to be proven, not innocence

the bible is right we should be executing homosexuals (and anyone who makes a post this bad)

He was found innocent by a court of law

nah

Why 2 theads tho..

Attached: Screenshot_20190322-223808_Omnichan.jpg (1080x1920, 449K)

Depends on how good the art is.

That’s like saying free speech only applies to speech you like
It’s all or nothin

It doesn't have anything to do with free speech. I'm not sure where you got that correlation.

It’s the principle behind it
Are you the judge of the art?
Are you the judge of the speech?
It’s all or nothin

>It’s the principle behind it
How is not listening to an artist taking away their free speech?

you sound really stupid

i have to otherwise i can't listen to brand new

That proves nothing.

I believe in separating (((them))) from the art industry so they can let talented people like MJ live and make art

Yes let’s all just make unsubstantiated claims and use the cop out excuse of having to prove guilt, but not innocence. Laziness is fun.

>art
you prancing around on a stage like an electrified baboon in heat

Deliberately obtuse then
Thanks for nothing

American education

Yes, because when you make something and present it to the world, it's no longer only yours, it's people's.
But a lot of artists have a problem with this.

false equivalency and you know it, why would you even say this? are you a promoter of deception?

but varg isn't a white supremacist?
show me evidence

european countries have good education and other socialist luxuries because they don't have to spend massive amounts of money on military and they're not the saviour of the entire world

This is the excuse for willful ignorance?

Yes, but Jackson's more a corporate plant celebrity than an artist.

excuse?