So I've asked this question on Yea Forums, but have never gotten more than a few answers, so I'll ask it here. Which pieces would you like to see in a new Fantasia movie? Also, if you don't like Fantasia you're a fucking pleb.
lady mcbeth of mtsensk 2nd interlude from act one >have rabbits running away from a slav farmer trying to kill and eat them >fuggato episode >german birds come in and attack the farmer >farmer falls and hits his head and enters some trippy dream sequence >scarbin time baby
Late Romantic music of course everyone knows this Me? I always go with Bruckner because Mahler was a cuck and Wagner was a cross-dressing faggot who hated my people Bruckner is ok he was just a creepy Blackpilled guy
Beethoven is more like a forerunner to romanticism, along with Schubert who was born almost 30 years later but died young only one year after Beethoven and was heavily influenced by him. Than you have Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Schumann, Liszt, Wagner, Brahms and Saint-Saëns.
Andrew White
I forgot to add Bruckner to the list.
Thomas Green
Wagner was w&b. I love Lohengrin and Das Rheingold.
Mason Sullivan
La Mer maybe something by Saariaho more ballet pieces
Would really love some recommendations for pieces with both male and female vocalists trading off and harmonizing and such like this one for example youtube.com/watch?v=1eJ2D2MHX-g
Ryder Morris
I tried Mozart's Alla Turca's melody (a b c#, a b c# b a g# f# g# a b g# e) many times but they all sounded like shit.
Robert Hughes
A reminder that Tchaikovsky is approved by the biggest music conesuers in the world.
Vivaldi is awesome. Even the four seasons, though they have been burned by overexposure, can be appreciated by the masterwork they are when you find an interpretation that really clicks with you.
Jaxson Sanchez
When you study at College or University you have access to a lot of things that otherwise are difficult to get. You have decades worth of investigation filtered by others. You don't need to be a mindless drone to study, on the contrary, the more inquisitive and hardworking you are the more you can get out of it.
Jayden Jenkins
Which are... ?
Christian Powell
they made it sound authentically bach
Ryan Powell
pic rel
Liam Miller
Never text me back again
Xavier Sanders
Imagine thinking that it's anyone but Ton Koopman Stupid frogposter
Can you guys recognize a composer just by seeing a few bars of a piece just like you could for example recognize a band that has a unique sound, or a guitarist with a specific style of playing?
Also if any of you is willing to write about some famous composers you like, what are little "trademarks" in their music that distincts them from others? Something like a BACH or DSCH motif, but more subtle.
Parker Jackson
I can't read music
Jaxson Robinson
Sorry, seeing or hearing* a piece.
Josiah Phillips
Give me two chords from Messiaen and I'll know its either him or Takemitsu immediately.
William Thompson
the only classical shit ive listened to is that russian shit they play on npr, like its intense. anyone have any reccs like that for me? or maybe some entry levels pieces that i can dive into? i have no idea where to start with this genre.
James Murphy
No. As music went from being an act of devotion to God and a craft to means of self expression it all went downhill. It gathered the most damaged people
Charles Martinez
Sorry but this is a patrician board. Here we listen to Bach, Scriabin and Martinu
When I started smoking pot this became my favourite album fucking ever. No album suits weed more than this shit, fucking hell. I don't smoke anymore and I can't listen to this album sober so I've lost my connection to it. Too bad. Actually even when I was smoking pot eventually I kind of distanced myself to this album because fuck me it's so depressing, even if the lyrics aren't. Such a depressing, slow melodic tone to it. All the main Beethoven albums are like that actually. Those fuckers were on a literal mission to depress the shit out of potheads.
Thomas Collins
Thanks, could you explain further using music theory?
Brody Russell
i can mabye spot a moravian cadence (janacek) shostys modernist period instrumentation is usually pretty stark and easy to spot, i.e. use of woodblock rolls over crashy moments rodrigo has some pretty distinct modulations/harmonic tendencies for his guitar shit
Other than marrying his cousin, Rachmaninoff seemed fairly well-adjusted.
Ian Barnes
apart from his post first symphony crash
Grayson Ramirez
youtu.be/75MqAyETxn0 How is there anything beyond this piece? He unironically solved tonal music.
Isaac Stewart
Would you niggas tear apart my classical compositions? I am trying to improve my understanding of species and counterpoint.
Aaron Perez
Mozart better
Thomas Walker
yes, but it will make you stronger
Juan Howard
I am only here to train. I was just trying to find a consensus, I may well post here again in neat future if I know you guys are willing to be seriously critical. Not that I don't expect you to be critical, just that I may be ignored otherwise!
This is really good. I never listen to classical so I don't know anything. But, it's really good to my ears.
Brayden Williams
I like the paul jacobs preludes a lot
Henry Campbell
Surprisingly Based
Daniel Brown
Pascal Rogé is regarded as one of the best when it comes to Satie
Andrew Cooper
Saint-Saens - Danse Macabre Mussorgsky- Pictures at an Exhibition: Promenade Holst - Mercury
Leo Lopez
ciccolini I hate his rendition of the gnossienes, he's completely overrated
Owen Taylor
based
Jack Price
I didn't bother to watch the second Fantasia, so there might be a repeated work. One way to do it would be to try and replicate the original's formula. There are a few ideas I'd keep from the original to give it some continuity: 1) Open with Bach in a work with abstract animation. 2) Mickey needs to shine in one of the segments. I hate the wretched mouse, not only because of what it represents within copyright laws (every time he's about to be public domain Disney and their army of lawyers extend the amount of years a work belongs to a creator and/or his/her descendants), but I have also never found him interesting at all, ever since I was a kid... except in Fantasia. So to me one such work without giving him the spot is inconceivable. 3) End with a mash of a dark/edgy piece followed by a soothing one. Then there are some things that are not required but might be repeated, such as mythological figures, dinosaur, animals, etc. Also, for the most the works should be more or less known by the general public. And I'd like to try and keep
So it would more or less be: 1. Bach. Either Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor 582 or the Ricercare a 6 from Musical Offering. Abstract animation. 2. Pachelbel's Canon. By a HIP orchestra. Cue some short explanations about what HIP is. Three fairies, perhaps the ones from Sleeping Beauty, go to a forest and make flowers bloom. Have one fairy start the dance and then the other two repeat it in a canonic way as they move forward. 3. Mozart's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik. Donald trying to serenade Daisy with some other Disney characters helping him (Goofy, Pluto, etc.), but NOT the mouses. 4. Wagner's Sigfried's death. Do the Ragnarok of Swedish mythology.
Andrew Perez
5. La Follia, Greensleves or something like that. The earlier the version the best, specially if you get to use rare instruments from the renaissance or early baroque. Cue some short introduction to said instruments. Here I'd have Mickey as the star of some fairy tail. I was thinking something among the lines of Jack and the Beanstalk or The Brave Little Tailor. Although Disney adapted those tales, it was in the 20s/30s, otherwise get another one. Although it would make for nice imaginery Mickey besting giants. Otherwise pick another story. The important thing is to have him win by dumb luck. Minnie needs at least a cameo. 6. Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1. I'd make dinosaurs again. But not their death this time, I'd show them at their best reigning supreme. And I'd use the very last discoveries, what with those dinosaurs with fancy colored feathers and all. Make it look bright, majestic and great. 7. Penderecki's Threnody for the victims of Hiroshima. Show the horrors of war, pollution, poverty, segregation. Don't make it overly disgusting, but make it shocking nevertheless. 8. Arvo Pärt's De Profundis. Start with the Christmas truce of 1914. Go on to show the efforts of doctors and nurses tending to wounded soldiers. Then make it about people fighting against war, poverty and pollution. You could even use a character that is shown struggling as a kid in part 7, then starts helping in part 8 and at the end of it he's old, happy, in some kind of town with clean energy and his grandkids playing around.
Another way to do it would be to use an integral work instead of just segments from different authors. Some fantasia movie using Vivaldi's Four Seasons would be great. You could also use Mussorgsky's Pictures at an exhibition, although Tezuka did that already (in any case, he also did Kimba first and that didn't stop Disney from doing The Lion King).
Xavier Flores
It's not just you, but it's also far from being everyone. Most of the musicians born in the 80s/90s listen pop music every now and then. And I've been in the house of older musicians (in their 60s/70s) and they'd put some jazz during dinner. I've been listening classical music since my childhood, but I also like some rock and pop bands, even when I'm fully aware their music is nothing impressive compared to the greatest composer's standards.
Joseph Perez
Who's the best one for waltzes? Unfortunately Kleiber only recorded them live, so you can hear all the retards in the audience racing to start applauding first.
Nicholas Carter
When I'm too tired to concentrate I listen to some jazz.
I prefer pop and rock (are they even proper genres?) to lieds. But mainly listen to instrumental classical music.
Adam Myers
Ok I'm not educated in music theory but I think Louis Andriessen and that Mussorgsky dude is cool because I liked pictures at an exhibition. Who is like both of them?
Luis Gonzalez
Mussorgsky is pretty much as the rest of the Balakirev's group (you may want to check them out). Russian folk themes, descriptive music as symphonic poems, daring harmonies compared to his mates. I would say the best of him is in his opera Boris Godunov
Joshua James
yes
Logan Ortiz
Thanks
Carter Cruz
Whatever you like.
Luke Gonzalez
Kant fucking sucks
Brody Gomez
agreed
Alexander Reyes
Thirded.
Leo Peterson
is there any /classical/ conspirancy theory besides petzold?
Zachary Morales
The death of Hans Rott
Isaiah Rodriguez
Anyone got more like this, specifically the second movement onward? youtube.com/watch?v=-0nKJoZY64A I love this menacing stuff. I also like Rite of Spring
Thanks, I've heard some Prokofiev before, he's good.
Angel Cox
m.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUVO31RqpA This guy comments on a lot of 20th century music and always leaves these long weird comments. He also used to have a bunch of videos of him rambling about the Bible and thinks Allan Peterson is the greatest symphonist ever
Anyone here like Tallis? I just started listening to classical music very recently, but I've decided that Tallis is my favorite so far. Does anyone with more experience listening to him have any recs?
>Freemason brotherhood kidnaps the daughter of a queen so that she won't grow up with a single mother >bitch queen tricks prince into setting out on a noble quest to save her daughter >prince meets the freemasons, who basically call him a cuck and vow to turn him into a man >much of the initiation process is just redpilling the prince about women, and how useless they are without men How the FUCK did Mozart get away with this?
I just spend 4.5 hours in the opera to see Tannhäuser. Totally worth it for the 15 minutes of good music in it. Chad Tannhäuser delivers some really sick burns during the rap battle in the second act and insults everyone there as incel.
I'm really liking these Rilling Recordings, is kinda funny how he used a small ensemble and choir akin to HIP but still used modern instruments and Operistic soloists with the most Romantic vibrato ever Certainly my best second go-to set since Richter didn't record all the Cantatas, I made the math and Richter only recorded like 40% of All the Cantatas probably because he died so young
Things are a bit more complicated. A lot of Late Romantic composers were obsessed with spirituality. It was a fashion in the later half of the 19th century, up to the early 20th century, for art to attempt to replace (organized) religion as a place for spirituality.
Jaxon Adams
That's the narcissistic and fundamentally fake spirituality of the isolated lonely romantic. Bach and co. were different
Bentley Mitchell
It was the 18th century.
Camden Smith
No u
Josiah Clark
>It was a fashion in the later half of the 19th century, up to the early 20th century, for art to attempt to replace (organized) religion as a place for spirituality. This phrase perfectly captivates all Scriabin's mental jerk off
Ryder Carter
One way or another, the PC police will find a way to ban or at least censor the opera in the near future.
Alexander Clark
Lay off the youtube cringe compilations, incel.
Anthony Moore
This opera only has three locations! Please tell me that Die Walküre and the following operas have more variety.
Listening to Mozart. That some people listen to rap rather than Mozart is objective proof that some people are stupid
Ian Morales
What is the classical equivalent of Mishima's Runaway horses?
Grayson Johnson
Based Ben Shapiro.
Kevin Hall
>Locations Nigga what? Just listen to themusic
Liam Baker
Yes. They also have clowns and balloons so kids your age don't get bored. If you're lucky they let you blow a whistle before the Ride of the Valkyries.
Juan Taylor
Didn't they already change Monostato's dialogue in Mozart's The Magic Flute? He says "And I am supposed to avoid love, because a black man is ugly". I think that line is often changed.
it's just the same glorious leitmotivs over and over again. thank god!
Ryan Green
it's already happening. but to be honest, the libretto is a bit silly anyway.
Nathan Clark
They spend 40 minutes singing about going to get the ring. They spend 30 minutes singing once they're in the mine, and they spend an hour trying to convince the giants to leave the ring. The whole story could be told in 10 minutes.
Colton Rivera
Today I will shill Pavel Haas because you people haven't listened to him enough yet
/classical/ is a philosemitic thread, please go back to /pol/.
Jacob Nguyen
Also pic related, how can we even compete with the determination of this lad? The late missas weren't actually meant to be performed he just made it as personal tribute to God
Unironically because it is what peak composition performance sounds like
Josiah Lee
it has meat
Jacob Martinez
Because it sounds fucking amazing?
Mason Rogers
Thanks to both the anons who gave their feedback last thread. As I said, there is much work to be done. All that Gesualdo is mainly because I'm just getting into and want to decide what are his best works but for you to suggest that I get rid of all Gesualdo was too excessive. Indeed I also had some of your suggestions, like monteverdi but hadn't ordered them yet. Anyway thanks alot.
Oddly enough this never crossed my mind. anyone else?
Matthew Nguyen
I really don't know, I read about this man and he seems like the best Georgian composer(not surprising at all) , I'm trying to find all of his stuff in good quality now, everything I've heard from him is pure genius. I'll definetely check out others too,I don't think that they will be better than Zakaria though, I haven't heard many composers who are better than him in general and I listen to lots of classical music and opera.
>preferences in the human brain that evolved over millions of years [citation needed] Though it must be said: must be hard as hell to exist in a world full of so much different musics, yet you can only digest tonal music made from 1750-1900. I guess medieval and renaissance music (which is in many cases also without a tonal centre) are both also chaotic and those renaissance folk must have all been tasteless masochists. Also >muh emotions
>Modal=atonal Are you a Nigger by any chance? Renaissance polyphony is some of the most beautiful music ever made you can't say the same about those 20th composers Modes were the seed of tonality
Jaxson Bell
>Nigger Epic Yea Forumstard own bro >>Modal=atonal Obviously you're illiterate. I was talking about music without a tonal centre which the filthy Anglo implies is the cause of all this "chaos".
>you can't say the same about those 20th composers I can because I'm used to it and it's subjective, you ass.
Henry Rodriguez
One interesting thing that I discovered about the seven classic modes and that I never found anywhere in set theory literature is the fact that you can obtain them from all the possibles scales formed by subsets of the chromatic scale as the scales with more tones that don't feature a consecutive semitone and minor third or minor third and semitone. The next scale in term of number of notes is the whole-tone scale and all the other 6-notes scales are subset of the seven classic modes. The rationale behind the "rule" I stated above is that this way you avoid major and minor chords with the fundamental note or the third in common (e.g. C major and minor in the same scale, or C major and C# minor), thus avoiding tonal ambiguity and giving to all the notes of the scale an implied harmony.
Charles Watson
Help me decide between these 3 recordings of the Zauberflöte: Abbado, Solti, Klemperer.
Liam Sullivan
Abbado
Gabriel Lopez
who are the respective orchestras
Carson Cook
I'd genuinely like a 2001: A Space Odyssey type part with Reich's Proverb.
its really good. No other music has the same amount of emotion, charm, or interweaving different voices. Plus there's like 500+ years of it so you never really run out.
Justin Reed
tonal and atonal music is appreciated in different ways, i like tonal music better, but people compose atonal music because it is new, and there is little new music that is tonal
i also agree it should start with an abstract bach piece, either and orchestrated chaconne in d minor (i would prefer the original, but i don't think a solo violin would work), or the beginning of a mass
surprisingly they haven't done a piece by dvorak, i would pick symphony no 8 1st movement,
