Assuming this happens, would it indicate that planting does, in fact, work as a perfect means of selling records?
She was signed to a major label after a single song which she had no part in making aside from the vocals became popular "out of thin air". Her parents are artists who are knee-deep in the industry and whose connections were the reason for her song blowing up and her subsequent deal with Interscope/UMG. Her brother writes all her material. She has a fuckton of payola behind her. Her actual music is kind of boring and her singing voice isn't anything special yet her strong presence on social media has given her a huge following. Plus she's successfully clout-chased and pilfered the dress style of SoundCloud rappers so she has credibility among hip hop fans who now defend her, despite her actual music having nothing in common with theirs. (In fact, her social media presence and crazy outfits have nothing to do with her actual music.)
Can we all agree this kind artificially creating a pop star works?
I'm not sure anyone who has an opinion worth listening to has ever disagreed with the fact that many pop singers are industry plants without any musical merit.
Evan Howard
Absolutely true, but in Billie's case it's way more obvious.
Liam Reyes
Meanwhile, given that her latest song has just under 18 million plays on Youtube despite being up for over two weeks, is this a sign her popularity is starting to cease?
Juan Ramirez
Assuming that happens, it would only indicate correlation
You need a stronger sample size to suggest causation
David Kelly
I mean, she has pretty strong streams on Spotify, that I don't think can be associated with payola. Or is it really easy to fake a lot of streams on there? Or do a lot stream on those generated Spotify playlists?
Bentley Lewis
She's promoted to death on Spotify, which absolutely indicates payola. She wasn't even on Spotify until she was signed to Interscope.
Zachary Howard
It's hard to imagine a large tech startup not cooking their numbers.
Jonathan White
Oh, ok then. Assuming this would be on the same on Apple Music too?
Gavin Stewart
Judging by how Apple Music is one of the worst offenders in regards to shilling her, yes.
Levi Sanders
This has literally been going on for sixty years
sage
Anthony Edwards
True but it's gotten more visible and intense. Now it's not even "payola" in the sense that record labels are paying radio stations, it's more like the labels and the stations are owned by the same company.
fuck it though. complaining isnt going to do shit about the problem. you going out and either a) becoming talented and famous yourself b) supporting artists like me who are content creators trying to make their way in the industry without backing of a label c) scouring soundcloud and bandcamp for quality music that deserves more listens is the only way to topple the industry. you want to fuck over the payola? dont pay attention to billie ellish at all. dont talk about her, dont tweet about her, dont do anything that involves her including hate.
Noah Edwards
It's an important discussion to have.
Asher Carter
is it though?? its impossibly hard to get big without the backing of a major label, there are people out there doing it though. and they do deserve your support. especially if you are on Yea Forums complaining about them not being famous. if you dont go out and look for these people, then dont complain when a multi million dollar industry tells you what to listen to.
Benjamin Adams
The culture industry isn't an important part of capitalism which needs to be exposed?
Austin Russell
In what context would someone as bland as Billie outsell Ari?
Levi Hughes
With Billie it’s impossible to explain her immediate rise to fame without planting and payola. At least Ariana was a TV star and has a voice. Billie literally came out of nowhere and got shilled on every major music platform without a full length album or atop 40 hit.
Zachary Wright
Really hope it flops Billie Eilish is cancer But I know it won't (A Haiku)
Benjamin Smith
drop your music then pussy
Isaiah Mitchell
LOL
Elijah Richardson
>Can we all agree this kind artificially creating a pop star works? Is this your first experience listening to mainstream pop or something?
Chase Baker
How many SoundCloud rappers has she fucked?
Ayden Turner
why do people act like factory made pop stars are something new? Elvis Presley was literally just some handsome guy with a good voice who was picked out of an audition and told to sing and dance, he wrote like one song his whole career. the Monkees were a TV show before they were turned into a band >it's gotten more visible and intense. it really hasn't, that's just a childish thing to say
Logan Sanders
>True but it's gotten more visible and intense No, you just became more aware of it.
Austin Hughes
>it really hasn't, that's just a childish thing to say Dude, just sit back and enjoy the show. Soon all these poor naive children will be brutally broken by the real world and the wetwoks will begin in earnest.
>all that text because you realized pop stars aren't born organically this guy's going to have an aneurysm when he realizes these stars have also been groomed by pedophiles
Angel Jones
Sounds like a Lorde ripoff.
Brandon Powell
curry sauce
Angel Mitchell
>accusing a survivor of child molestation of molesting a teenager No.
>it really hasn't, that's just a childish thing to say It definitely has especially now with the internet.
Cameron Nelson
who ever didn't agree with this lmao
Brody King
She's now making it a thing to say "I'M NOT AN INDUSTRY PLANT, I NEVER WANTED TO BE FAMOUS TRUST ME GUIZE" in interviews now.
She's also claiming she grew up poor, which says nothing about her parents' industry connections given that starving artists are a thing.
Thomas Gomez
>takashi murakami how the mighty have fallen...
William Torres
Billie is taking a lot of good people down: Denzel Curry, Rosalia, and now Murakami.
Luis Stewart
Dude, we know 99% of pop stars are planted. Billie is just way more obvious as are Clairo, Juicewrld, Blueface, etc.
Angel Parker
Tweet sounds like pure marketing like everything else that's happened to Shillie.
David Powell
Only (You).
Carter King
Clairö didn't really work out though. She had one decent youtube hit and some minor buzz with the twitter arthoes crowd but nothing near superstar mainstream pop success
Zachary Perry
Is Billie Elish the white Lana del Rey?
Jonathan Thomas
It's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison too. Clairo is a daddy's-money-and-connections type plant, whereas Billie has been propped up and shilled by her label in every way imaginable from day one.
Elijah Ward
Clairo was aimed at indie/alt pop fans not radio thot shit or hip hop, she just sucks so indie fans saw through it Billie is geared towards a wider crowd
Josiah Ramirez
90% of molesters were molested.
Nathaniel Hernandez
So your dad touched you?
Grayson Reyes
>artist being promoted by their label = industry plant are you fucking stupid.
anybody since the late 2000s who performs at the level of fame you suggested has a list producers and co-writers a mile long. it's always been that way but at least in previous decades there were some examples of the complete opposite (Duke Ellington, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Beatles, U2, Run DMC, etc.) as far as marketing, even Merzbow has a crack team of various promoters hawking his goods.
Jose Butler
>(In fact, her social media presence and crazy outfits have nothing to do with her actual music.) Which indicates her career will have the lifespan of a mayfly.
Evan Rodriguez
It's exactly that university scandal, but with mommy and daddy buying a music career instead of a college degree
Hunter Wood
There's a difference between multiple writing credits, which are purely a means of distributing royalties, and mommy and daddy buying your fame. Any good artist has a publicist, any industry has their parents buy their publicist before they even have artistic talent. Ariana Grande can sing, she's a singer.
Elijah Murphy
This. No way Interscope would have taken a risk and signed Shillie for ONE FUCKING SONG had her parents not had industry ties. Obviously they know she's a good investment or else they wouldn't be throwing money at her left and right.
Leo Collins
Something tells me they're not the ones throwing the money so much as the parents. I'm sure there's some "charity" that received a "donation" and bippity-boppity-boo, you're on Hot Ones with 10 fucking million views.
Josiah Wright
Jeez Billie's album cover there is fucking awful.
Samuel Young
omg her music videos have like 178 million views, how much did they pay for that?
Kayden Reed
To my knowledge her parents aren't even that rich, they're actors and musicians but their film and TV roles have been minor. Billie has said in interviews she grew up poor, had to buy second-hand clothes, lives in a small house, etc.
Aaron Myers
Only Lovely and When the Party's Over have >100 million views. Not even Bury a Friend has that many and it's been out for almost two months (which isn't good as a lead-off single for her album).
Oh sure, and Avril Lavigne skated to school every morning. I'm sure they're not super-wealthy, but her mother has Life is Strange money. Maybe once upon they had were poor, but in the here and now? Nah son.
Mason Thompson
>but her mother has Life is Strange money. What?
Jonathan Reyes
You think he'll perform Ice Age or Ultimate in front of all those innocent little white girls and their moms?
IDK someone wrote something and Billie is a plant, fuck the specifics.
John Garcia
We're still waiting for her to cover Wuthering Heights in the original key.
Xavier Hall
>mom wrote a screenplay specifically for her and her son Something about this family gives me bad vibes.
Grayson Ramirez
>Can we all agree this kind artificially creating a pop star works? when has that not happened?
Ethan Brown
>Can we all agree this kind artificially creating a pop star works? They've been doing it successfully over and over again since at least the 60's, so yes. Labels are owned by a handful of mega conglomerates that also own print media, TV stations, radio, advertising infrasturcture, tech companies, social media companies, data analytics companies, etc., and these conglomerates are in turn owned by a very small handful of extremely wealthy people who all know each other and who understand that by helping each other out they can increase their profits. When a major label develops a new product, e.g. Billie Eilish (or nearly any pop star you've ever heard of), the various arms of these mega conglomerate corporations work together to push that new product and maximize profits. This is what a plant is. People who think plants are some kind of "conspiracy theory" or that there's any question at all whether someone like Eilish is a plant or not, just have no idea how the industry works.
>Can we all agree this kind artificially creating a pop star works?
YES. OBVIOUSLY!
The music industry doesn't even vaguely resemble a meritocracy. The whole thing's a sham pretty much.
Bentley Peterson
I don’t know much about the Billie scandal.. although I will say I did enjoy her first song. I think it’s sad that we don’t hear about artists becoming something by their own merit.. kind of shitty to be a musician and not be able to make something of it without knowing a shit ton of the right people or even just the one...
Anyway if nobody minds... I’ll post my cringey stuff. Enjoy?
>mfw all the failed musicians COPEing so hard itt lol you don't have any appeal so anybody who does is playing some sort of rigged game? grow the fuck up, nobody invested in you because you weren't worth investing in
Of course planting works. The music industry is a monolith and people will listen to whatever they push.
Gabriel James
It's posturing and abusing image to sell music. People are shallow retards so it will always work. Now that doesn't mean any of it is good, that just means it sells.
Owen Myers
Wow, that video was made by the same dude who made Kanye's Graduation and Kids See Ghosts covers
