Fuck prog

This post is so woke that it gave me brain damage

>he thinks that it's pretentious
>he's been taken for a ride

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YANG GANG

Oh look a seething commie pseudo intellectual. I’d rather everyone in flint starve than pay higher taxes desu

Keep on whining, you dork. You're projecting and assuming my positions, and it's bullshit.

I do think women face systemic oppression. I also think the term "patriarchy" is problematic, though, and leads to a lot of extrapolations about the underlying "maleness" of our society that are unjustified.

As for your first point, you can fuck right off. I don't know how things are in East Africa, but I spent three years doing development work in West Africa. I am for shared resources between workers, as I literally fucking mentioned, you fucking idiot. I basically advocate for a syndicalist economic system, which I literally spelled out. What I don't believe in is a controlled economy, and making sure goods flow from producers to consumers is important, and disconnected from redistribution, which I also advocate for.

I'm not a "fiscal conservative," you inbred fucking idiot. In terms of American politics, I'm intensely progressive economically, though I'm basically "libertarian" socially. Also, I only bring this up because you weirdly say I'm unqualified and don't know what I'm talking about, but I have a master's in foreign policy.

I recommend you kill yourself. You owe me an apology.

>libertarian socially
>intensely progressive economically

Please reconcile those two ideas for us. (I don't think you know the correct use of the term "libertarian", but give it your best shot).

Where'd you get your MA, the Virgin Islands?

For the record I'm currently doing a PhD in international relations, and my thesis is about the role and development of critical theory in understanding the modern financial sector. I've done urban development work in major US cities, and did a research internship with a foreign policy think tank.

You should probably read more books.

Both of you are lying neets

Basedboys hate prog

>modern prog is bad
Shut up boomer

I'm using "libertarian" in the American usage. It's very easy to reconcile these things, because it's basically the position of modern left-liberalism, and libertarian socialism before that (anarcho-syndicalism, communalism, mutualism, etc.)

My master's is from Boston University.

I think you're lying about your PhD.

And I would like you to kill yourself, you condescending idiot.

Adding on, believing that "the capitalist/socialist distinction is stupid because there's never been a pure capitalist economy, and socialism means something different to everyone" makes me feel like you don't understand why the distinction is important. Like, okay, you don't understand either system well enough to appreciate the distinction between them so I guess debating them is pointless? And 300 years of socialist philosophy goes down the drain...

You can think what you like, I can go on and on about modern political thought, the Brenner thesis, critical theory epistemology, the differences between classical and neo-realism, Wendtian constructivism, the structure/agent problem, hegemonic stability theory, the influence of Joseph Nye's work on communist China's foreign policy, why ANT is kind of bullshit, Marxism vs. Weberiansim, etc. These are all advanced concepts in IR and IPE that would not turn up in a casual Google search.

You are so full of shit it's painful.

Also, constructivism, neo-realism, critical theory, and hegemonic stability are literally IR 101 concepts, you child

>they're in the comment section of every prog "song" time stamping guitar solos and leaving comments like "omg that solo made me nut aha" and having circlejerks 100+ comments long on how woke they are for listening to such avantgarde compositions
This can be said for any genre. Of course people will jerk off the genre they enjoy, no matter which.
>lmaoing at your life if you listen to any of this shit
Are you sure? You seem upset.

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>oooh I learned three things in IR 101

I'm not talking about simple distinctions and definitions, dolt. I'm talking about the evolution of each theoretical paradigm, how different universities have inherited different intellectual traditions of IR thought throughout the last century and how that shapes the scholarship coming out of IR graduate programs (which I would say is a secondary academic interest along with my work on international finance), Marxist challenges to Gilpin's historical analysis, Krasner's response to Waltz, modern neo-medievalism, Robert Cox's contributions to game theory, criticisms of Westphalian state formation and theory, etc.

You're literally fucking retarded. I studied constructivism, hegemony, realism, and critical theory in depth throughout IR, because they're the KEY FUCKING CONCEPTS in the field, you fucking idiot.

What university is your PhD program through?

Recounting what I literally said, was that I advocate for a mixed economy, like most people. Your response is to autistically list off every term you can think of.

I strongly suspect you don't even have a degree, and you think you're an autodidact, because you're so anal-retentive, and don't understand nuance whatsoever.

I'm doing my PhD at York University in Canada.

Since my thesis is in critical theory, it's kind of my raison d'etre to be anal-retentive about terminology, since I believe that a great deal of IR education at the graduate level is based on bad scholarship or fundamental misunderstanding/misuse of the philosophical concepts IR theorists borrow from (especially modern realists).

Also, what was the subject of your Masters thesis?

I didn't misuse anything. I was responding to the modern popular usage of those terms, and you spent this entire thread condescending and acting superior, when you yourself have a weak grasp on them. You're so full of hot air, and you should work on being less of a prick. My thesis was on peace building and development in South Asia.

>Grrrrr I hate those pretentious prog listeners! I'm not pretentious! Fuck them!
I'm just sitting here enjoying my prog, what's your problem faggot?

I don't have a problem condescending to the sort of primordial ooze belch that thinks "transgenderism is mental illness".

I'm not against trans people. Maybe I did abuse the fact I could be anonymous on Yea Forums. I'm all for trans rights. However, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. I don't think it needs to be cured, and I think attempts to do so are harmful and dangerous. I'm very much for respecting trans people. But I think the "cis privilege" stuff is silly.

You're such a jackass.

>you're such a jackass

Says the guy who mocks trans people and claims gender dysphoria is a mental illness despite (I would imagine) being imminently unqualified to make that observation in the face of current research to the contrary.

Like, seriously man, just think before you type. Although we both agree that Yes is wonderful.

I'm not a neurologist, you're right about that. I never mocked trans people, and it's completely uncontroversial that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. People are trying very hard to find a way to help people with gender dysphoria, because it's a common cause of suicide. It's extremely damaging, and it was recently a sad finding that gender reassignment surgery doesn't actually reduce the effects of gender dysphoria. You don't know the first thing about it, and despite me not being a neurologist, you knew less about it than I do. You are a jackass. But at least now I know why you self-righteously feel justified in rabidly whining at me, you stupid fuck.

The one thing I probably shouldn't have said is that transgenderism is a mental illness. But that's not what you attacked me for. You baselessly went for the other things I said, which is cowardly and stupid.

You've been Jewed du du du

Imagine being you.

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I think you fundamentally don't understand how the social and legal institutionalization of transphobia contributes more to that suicide rate than the simple act of existing as a person with gender dysphoria does. I have trans friends and relatives that can speak to the issue personally and from an academic perspective.

>You baselessly went for the other things I said, which is cowardly and stupid.
Says the guy who makes uninformed judgments about trans people.

Pure fucking assumptions. Now all we're talking about is the trans issue.

I know discrimination is a major cause of depression and suicide. But there's also an intensely psychological component to it, of people feeling alien in their own body. You literally just demonstrated that you don't understand gender dysphoria.

>I don't like a genre of music
>Therefore everyone who likes it are faggots
>Here's a picture of a balding tranny for no good reason whatsoever.
Am I doing it right?

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>Tell me how poor Ethiopian farmers are definitely not getting their land stolen from them by foreign MNCs working in concert with their own government, or how there are no food deserts in major urban areas in the US, or how Flint's water crisis was quickly solved by the heroic capitalists who definitely didn't cause the problem in the first place
Those aren't bugs. Those are features.

And your dad works for Nintendo, right? Spouting baseless appeals to your own authority on an anonymous Tibetan rope winding forum is a massive failure in critical thinking and self reflection. For the record, I'm a high ranking general in the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.

Imagine majoring in anything other than pure mathematics

Socialism is flat out incorrect though. Just because common property is good in some situations doesn't mean public rights should be instated via force. Using private rights to internalize transaction costs encourages people to use their privately owned land as a piece in common property, or even public property outcomes when it's the appropriate method of allocation. Because it's their land, they have the ability to treat it like it isn't theirs if it's beneficial. But forcing public rights (socialism) to allocate resources just throws extra cost on property allocation and it ends up decentivizing people from utilizing it properly (they're detached from the true cost because they don't own it and aren't responsible for efficient allocation). The shit you want to be used communally or publically is better served under private rights than public rights (capitalism v. socialism) lol.

Prog is basedboy repellent. The musicians are actually talented and it isn't about how much white people need to submit to black men, so basedboys toss it to the side under the guise of musical superiority.

Hey - it's me from earlier. The other people posting haven't been me. But a last note -

Looking back at my first post, it is overly aggressive. And even if gender dysphoria is a serious condition, calling transgenderism a mental illness is unnecessarily inflammatory, and doesn't represent how I really feel.

That said, one thing I find really suspicious is that when I said I was for "workers controlling the firms," which is a near-perfect description of socialism (though in my case, it was more for progressivism/syndicalism), you guessed that meant I was a "fiscal conservative." To me, that conveys that you don't know the first thing about economics, which makes your education claims really dubious.

Given the rest of the content of your post, your bit about worker-controlled firms rang more line a throway line to me, like maybe you had heard about the concept somewhere and were trying to reconcile it with some pro-capitalist ideology (i.e. the market as the most efficient means of distribution). I was using the "social liberal/fiscal conservative" thing as an example of similarly contradictory jingoism (like you might hear in an undergraduate discussion), not to specifically ascribe those beliefs to you.

Punk (and especially industrial) are tenfold more pretentious than prog will ever be.

(((research)))

No. You assumed that because you were so angry about the rest of the post. But your assumption makes no sense - it's a fairly radical statement about how I think trade should be reformed. It makes no sense that that would be a "throw away line."

A lot of what you've said doesn't really line up.

Imagine holding a belief like this

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Fuck that is some Chris-Chan level stuff going on in that pic...

Prog rock and art rock are literally the best genres. Also, "pretentious" is usually less of a valid criticism of music and more of a way for retards like you to make themselves feel better about the fact that they have to listen to shitty pop music because they don't have the intelligence, emotional depth, or attention span to listen to anything more complicated and interesting.

Gotem

I want to like prog but the vocalists just suck. it's either helium-huffing prancing gay elf vocals (Yes) or generic AOR sounding dadrock singers who are extremely careful not to hurt their precious vocal cords by singing too hard.

Listen to VDGG
youtube.com/watch?v=oJUu9-s15PQ

Rec me some good modern prog

What's your criteria for modern? Someone who is still releasing albums?

Basedboy

idk, anything from the current millennium I guess?
Also, I'm not a huge metalhead so if you could rec some nonmetal that would be cool.

The Flower Kings is pretty good.

Thanks, I'll check them out.

Try this
youtu.be/kUg6keKtJc4

This thread got invaded entirely by SJW commies.

I’m a tranny and communism will never work.

>helium-huffing prancing gay elf vocals
But that's what I love about Yes

Who can hate Jon Anderson?

>mfw I'm an SJW commie and I still love prog

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People with no love and light in their hearts.

I'm not a fan of his Tolkien album, that was a bit too much prancing faggots in the forest for me, but his work with Yes is the best period of Yes.