Why is this genre so despised by critics?

Go read some 70s Rolling Stone or whatever reviews. He wasn't alone in this mentality.

john peel hated it too but i dont know if he counts as a critic

I pretty much exclusively listen to this genre though

john peel was literally just some guy

To be fair, critical opinion on prog up to about 1972 was fairly open-minded. By 1975, yeah it was being savaged.

it's not even a genre it's a sub genre you need to escape

Sub genre, whatever

Also I'm a kraut so

Prog has a hard time with not appearing pompous or inflated or overbearing.

Critics all wanted to be musicians but didn't have the talent. Prog is the most difficult genre to play, so it most reminds them of their failure. Critics prefer low-skill genres they can pretend they could play.

This

No wonder why they championed punk.

You think though that they wouldn't all suck off jazz. I mean, how does Miles Davis get away with 40 minute tracks and not get called pretentious and self-indulgent?

He’s black

Most critics tend to like songwriters of the Dylan mold--Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, Elvis Costello. Leonard Cohen--ie. really verbose lyrics dealing with the struggles of the common man. This is probably more significant since they're usually English or journalism majors who relate to words better than instruments.

moody blues fucking blows

what genre is dat? i only know pink floyd :3

Prog isn't taken seriously by the music media because it's sociologically incorrect. Keith Emerson in an interview once quoted a lot of critics from the early 70s saying, essentially, that prog is a betrayal of the central ideas behind rock and roll (directness, "soul", egalitarianism, etc.).

correct

It's ironic because a lot of the critical put-downs of prog I've seen are among the most pretentious garbage you can ever imagine.

I get the feeling that what a lot of these guys are really looking for is a singer reciting beat poetry over guitars, which are just a backing track to the words and kept as simple as possible.

I like prog and I'm also a fan of Joni and Leonard. Could never get into Bob's stuff though.

A lot of critics at the time saw Prog Rock as overly pretentious, as it practically abandoned rock's lyrical and technical roots in blues. Additionally, the technical complexity of the genre led to elitist attitudes (like classical, in a way), which annoyed critics even further.

Because most of it is self-indulgent. Unfortunately not all prog can be King Crimson and Gong. You gotta put up with the ELPs and the JethroTulls.

for us melt-banana super fans he was something else

No fair. Ian Anderson was a songwriting genius in his heyday. Granted, once the 70s ended he ran out of stuff to say and the albums suffered.

And in Christgau's case, he can't even write well or coherently and he has to fall back on his thesarus fetish to compensate for his lack of writing ability (if I use enough obscure words, I'll look smart).

KC is the most "self indulgent" prog band besides ELP. They wrote almost exclusively ugly and boring music that's overly long and intentionally dissonant but not in any kind of interesting way.

Sure but nothing he ever made holds a candle to ITCOK or Tounges in Aspic

This somehow seems opposite of what you'd expect. If they were musically inclined, or wanted to be musicians, they would have an increased appreciation for the skillful players or intricate compositions. They would support the "musician's music" over what was popular or trendy.

Red, Lizard, and In the Wake of Poseidon

ELP were a Barnum & Bailey circus show, not a band. The other thing that grated on critics is that they were all from richfag backgrounds and didn't work their way up from nothing.

Their sense of humor (eg. calling a live album Welcome Back To The Show That Never Ends) also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

Prog was only good in the early 70's for about 4 years before it turned to complete shit.

Honestly if you do not like any of King Crimson's stuff then I don't think prog is for you.

Yes?

youtube.com/watch?v=3nyWvGJM3rE

I think the big issue with ELP is that they never really worked together as a band, it wasn't a successful example of a supergroup like Cream or the Yardbirds. The three guys would all just solo in random spastic directions with very little cohesion.

So? 4-5 years of output is more than most people can go through in a lifetime of listening. There is endless prog rock from that period. It's a long time in music terms, most genres become diluted very fast

>The other thing that grated on critics is that they were all from richfag backgrounds and didn't work their way up from nothing
Don't tell me they actually thought Bob Dylan was a traveling hobo and not an upper middle class Jewish kid who collected a huge pile of blues, country, and folk records.

It's the opposite. People who champion KC aren't real prog fans. That's why it's the one prog band that was accepted by the critic faggot class - it's intentionally ugly and plays to the edgy-pseud sensibilities of the english major art critic class. What critics hate about prog (besides , which is correct) is that it takes beauty and earnest positive values seriously. This is why Yes and Rush are so incredibly hated by critics to this day. KC is the edgy francophile continentalist faggot prog band for hipsters who are too cool to like positive music about wizards and transcending to the 5th density.

But seriously, any music that doesn't conform to critics' "easy sound bite" mentality gets written off as pretentious and self-indulgent. The only thing it's exceeding is the critic's brain capacity.

I really enjoy about 1/2 of the artists posted, but King Crimson isnt one of them.

>That's why it's the one prog band that was accepted by the critic faggot class - it's intentionally ugly and plays to the edgy-pseud sensibilities of the english major art critic class.

You have to understand that these guys don't like beauty in music because it's rooted in classical/Romantic ideas and not postmodernism.

Yeah that's right, that's why KC is the faggot anti-prog band for hipsters who hate what prog is actually about.

But every prog band ever worships KC as their biggest influence.

Rock criticism is stuck in two dichotomies. An intellectualism that takes as its basis anti-intellectualism and the China conundrum: Is an established, dogmatic revolution still a revolution?

Anarchists have the same problem. As soon as you convene an anarchist's meeting, you're by definition no longer an anarchist.

You can't praise new innovations if you also decry new innovations, which ends up in rock critics glorifying punk despite its minimal musicianship (how can music progress forward and yet be limited to 90 second songs with three chords?). So the attitudinally correct rock critic's little world collapses inward. The job becomes one of shooting down more and more musical efforts since the world-view centers on negative values.

I guess we enjoy prog for different reasons. Not a big fan of the cheesy normal pop song with 10 minutes of wank prog.

Prog rock is def not weed music.

If you want interesting harmony and darker atmosphere, Gentle Giant does that while actually composing good music. KC is just ugly shit.

I've always felt most rock critics were failed garage band musicians who have chips on their shoulders against anyone who can play a musical
instrument with any degree of proficiency. Then again, perhaps they all just fall into Frank Zappa's definition ofrock journalists: "People who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read."

Some innovations are failed experiments

Lots of people hate jazz, critics adore it cause they need to like something complicated

Gentle Giant is one of the better prog acts so thanks will do.

Remember how Christgau gave high marks to Blue Oyster Cult and Slayer because he somehow imagined that they were a deliberate parody/deconstruction of metal? So it's basically like "Oh, it's ok to like metal if it's actually a wink-wink satire of metal."

I was indifferent to prog until I got a great, properly set up stereo system. Remember, prog was made at the height of hi-fi and takes full advantage of all of stereo's capabilities.

Don't know about Christgau's set up, but Fantano's system is some thrifted Fishers set up improperly. I remember a Pitchfork critic evaluating a record on his fuckin' car stereo. Just some examples of critics not investing in their gear or taking the time to set it up properly, meaning they'll be missing out on many aspects of the music.

Good stereo equipment was pretty expensive in the 70s, so I doubt your average Creem or Trouser Press critic had anything particularly good. Prog rock is densely layered and very 3 dimensional, so if a critic was listening to it laying in bed oriented sideways to the stereo, they'll miss out on a lot of what's happening in the mix.

Jazz is ok to like because most of its leading figures were black and jazz (at least since bebop) has hipster/beatnik/bohemian cred.

>Don't know about Christgau's set up, but

>[A] Although definitely not an audiophile, I so believe music belongs out in the air, in what is at least theoretically a social space, not inside your cranium. I use headphones only at the gym and on the street, where I check out my ever-evolving cellphone Spotify library for possible review. These seldom cost more than 25 bucks and I go through three-four pairs a year--they do break, especially when you're a klutz like me. (I do not use Bluetooth. Maybe I should.) My apartment is equipped with a good but not expensive or high-end sound system I couldn't describe without checking with its designer, my nephew-by-association Perry Brandston, a sound engineer I've known since 1966, when he was nine. I recommend quality speakers to everyone whose computer-streamed music reaches the atmosphere--I have Boses. Sometimes I stream from my personal half-a-terrabyte iTunes library because it's easier physically to locate music there. I seldom play my vinyl--I prefer the convenience of CDs. Finding working CD changers, however, is getting harder and harder. Anybody know somebody in NYC who can do a serious repair on my old Sony DC355, which I assume means a new laser? The lasers do go on these things. I think I'm on my fourth.

No way this is real. How do people listen to this fraud.

The problem more has to do with critics having to listen to 30 albums a day so if you couldn't make your point as simply and directly as possible, they don't want to deal with it.

>My apartment is equipped with a good but not expensive or high-end sound system I couldn't describe without checking with its designer, my nephew-by-association Perry Brandston, a sound engineer I've known since 1966,
Hopefully it's set up correctly. Seen a lot of good systems undermined by speakers set at different heights, bookshelf speakers on the floor, etc.

>I so believe music belongs out in the air, in what is at least theoretically a social space
Good fucking god what a fucking anti-musical cunt disaster this sack of shit worm person is. He thinks music "belongs in a social space" and you're supposed to take his personal opinion about music seriously? Did he take the record out to the local black market to see how it enriched the communal spirit of the downtrodden masses in an intersectional multicultural space before making his decision on its quality? What a fucking joke of man.

Rolling Stone is wrong on virtually every review they give. Cardi B got album of year 2018 ffs, their opinion means nothing. They change their minds like 50 years after the fact when virtually everyone else in the world have already acknowledged the accomplishments of an artist (see Jimi Hendrix, Queen, Rolling Stones, etc)

>I seldom play my vinyl--I prefer the convenience of CDs.

Wouldn't be the first time I've heard this. Literal boomers don't seem to like or miss vinyl very much and it's purely Millenial hipsters that jerk off to it.

/thread

also, your point is non-existent
scaruffi gave ITCOTCK an 8.5, close to the edge an 8, etc

underage

progressive rock/metal is for people who prefer listening to instruments over listening to music

Interesting point. Reminds me that essentially the same point was made in that PBS series on rock and roll when they discussed punk. Of course, they never really discussed prog that I saw, but as a backlash against it, they pointed out that punk was a return to three chords and you've got a song mentality.

Of course, this begs the question of punk not having much critical acclaim either. Or much real popularity (at least not early on in the US). It took the UK transformation into "New Wave" before anything
really caught on here in the states.

Then, too, one of the original CBGB's club punks they talked to was David Byrne who later turned out things like _Remain In Light_, which I think of as very prog (and very Eno-influenced). So where's the borderline?

That user's point was that critics generally hate prog, which is true. Not that critics are right, which they're not.

That's because of postmodernist attitudes where everything has to be ironic and self-aware deconstructivism.

Critics love punk.
>remain in light - prog
It's a fucking pop funk album for hipsters who actually just like normie music but want to maintain their cred

Happy to see christgau being called out for the hack fraud he fucking is in this thread

The 73-74 KC had great moments of improvisation, but remember also that they would play other fairly "written" tracks (Larks Tongues II, Fracture, almost all the pieces with vocals).

"I have to play this music among a large enough group of trans-pansexual illegal immigrants from Honduras to get their approval and make sure it's acceptable."

Uh-huh. Just for laughs, I looked up Village Voice's Pazz & Jop polls for 1977-78 on the Web. The writers' consensus top-30's for both years are posted. Here are some of the "RAW ENERGY" albums which made the cut, as picked by these bigoted CBGB's-lovin' writers: Fleetwood Mac/Rumours, Steely Dan/Aja, Randy Newman/Little Criminals, Jackson Browne/Running on Empty, Pete Townshend & Ronnie Lane/Rough Mix, Kate & Anne McGarrigle/Dancer Knees, Al Green/The Belle Album, Peter Gabriel/Peter Gabriel [1], David Bowie/Heroes, the Persuasions/Chirpin', James Taylor/JT, Linda Ronstadt/Simple Dreams, The Beach Boys/Love You, Kraftwerk/Trans-Europe Express, Neil Young/Comes a Time, Brian Eno/Before & After Science, Willie Nelson/Stardust, Bob Dylan/Street Legal, Van Morrison/Wavelength, Al Green/Truth 'n' Time.

LOL. Someone should email this thread to Christgau. I will laugh when that shit is dead.

Pink Floyd and Rush are 1000% weed music. I don't even understand how you think otherwise.

Me too. Came into the thread in the hopes someone would shit on him.

Holy fucking PLEB

Really, 1978 was the last big year for classic prog. Sure, the genre continued, but it was the last year the big names of the genre like Genesis, Yes, and Tull were putting out major prog releases. After that, they all packed it in and converted to a more commercial pop format.

I agree those bands, and lots of other prog, is weed music, but Pink Floyd is only pseudo-prog

I just attribute it to the fact that progressive and popular music are pretty much antithetical anyway. It was only a matter of time. "Tales from Topographic Oceans" does not belong atop an album chart, unless there's a hell of a lot of people buying it for the sake of looking "intellectual", which I guess was sort of the case back then.

And while not prog, Judas Priest also dropped lengthy prog-style metal epics after Stained Class and started doing shorter, simpler arena rock.

>wankery transformed into speech
this is all music journalism is though

I think there are/were a lot of factors at play. There was clearly a "reaction" against the so-called excesses of progressive during the punk
era. Record companies shifted gears and stopped supporting progressive rock. But all the single hungry suits grew up on Yes. After the "Yes is irrelevant" period, we had the "Yes reinvented" period. This was a bad period in which Yes themselves (or what was left of Yes) more or less denied progressive themselves. They became power pop. So if the Father denied the child what was the child to do?

I've always thought that rock critics had very little influence compared with movie or theater critics. A bad review can seriously hurt a movie. But bands that are famous for being trashed by the press (like Styx or Journey... or Yes) have managed to do very well nonetheless. And the opposite is true: a lot of bands who are the darlings of the rock press never enjoy commercial success. Def Leppard sold a lot more records than Elvis Costello.

soibois cant handle chad music

Not sure how true this is. Rock critics in my opinion have more influence than you think since they wrote the "history" of popular music and created a lot of memes and half-truths that are still believed today, including the "punk had to save us from prog" myth.

>listening to instruments over listening to music
what the fuck does this even mean? how can someone be this mentally ill?

I have some old Encyclopedia Britannica year books from the 80s in the basement and the section on "The year in popular music" is the usual stuff you'd expect--very heavy on classic rock like the Stones as well as lots of mention of Springsteen, Madonna, MJ, U2, punk bands, but metal is only mentioned in passing.

>U2
How anyone can think this piece of shit band is good is beyond me.

>How anyone can think this piece of shit band is good is beyond me.
U2 is the ultimate pleb filter

And during the 80s yet when metal was at peak popularity and bands were filling arenas.

Yeah anyone who likes them is surely a pleb.

Really is this. Fags can't jive with the prog brother

profficiencial rockington
yes indeed

Critics to a large extent value rebellion as an integral part of rock music. The problem with arena/buttrock was that its fanbase was mostly rural and suburban whites and they don't see this demographic as being edgy or counterculture.

They had no problem with Springsteen?

Its music for the musicians with no regard to the listener
Aka egotistic jack off contests to see which genius has the better genius penis

Or maybe the music was just uninspired trash? Music is about the sound you know.

>Music is about the sound you know
I thought critics valued the lyrics though.

Imagine how musically disabled you would have to be to think CTTE is "uninspired trash". Fucking sad honestly.

>criticizing the genre that produced the most sonically grandiose, elaborate, gorgeous, arrangements in the history of rock music
>music is about the sound
What did he mean by this?

Are you actually deaf?

Bruce Springsteen is the white working class music they would like it to be, very dry, salt of the earth, and political. They don't like music of the AC/DC mold which is celebrating being a working class chap who enjoys a pint.

Even Rick Wakeman admitted that CTTE was fluff. "The songs were like a woman wearing a padded bra--you take it off and realise there's nothing underneath."

When did I say CTTE is trash? I was reffering to the genre at large not one of its best records.

Go read a book instead.

It also produced some of the blandest dadrock recorded.

He said that about Topographic, not CTTE
musicaficionado.blog/2018/11/28/relayer-by-yes/

And what happens when you get into angsty metal like Disturbed? That's far from beer-and-muscle-cars kind of music.

Metal angst tends to deal with existentialism and the inner self. Critics don't really like that either and perceive it as self-indulgent. So far as they approve of white working class music, it has to be politicized and complaining about capitalism or being a wageslave.

Thats true and it exposes the fact that critics are largely victims of Marxist brainwashing.
>talk about wizards
>booo that's not realll mannnn that's like escapist mannnn
>talk about deep philosophical and psychological problems inherent in the human condition
>pshhh that's like SELF INDULGENT mannnn like.... can't you just talk about politics (leftist politics only please)
Pure Marxism. They perceive politics as the deepest level of meaning. This is also why they hate deeper magical / esoteric themes - all that shit is made up to the Marxist because it purports to be deeper than politics. It's also why they hate beauty - it purports to be deeper and more fundamental than politics. Truly sad creatures.

critics like prog though, what in the fuck kind of victim complex are you trying to create here

fedora fags want critics to validate their 20 minute wank fests as good music.

It's probably the single most hated genre by critics other than maybe nu metal. Critics intentionally killed prog. This is a well documented fact and one that critics celebrate openly. This is not some kind of prog fan theory. Seems like you're just totally uninformed.

If they loved music solely for its own sake, they probably wouldn't become critics in the first place.

ADHD zoomer hearlet. Sad state.

i never understood the prog hate. why do you feel the need to be offended over keith emerson going off on a keyboard for 10 minutes if it sounds good and is pretty impressive? i also never understood how it could be viewed as pretentious. it's just fucking music. there is nothing deep about it.
>muh wankery
like what the fuck does that even mean?

>lol let me use this buzz word lol weed music
What the fuck does that even mean you faggot?

>who are Scaruffi, Fantano, and every single writer Pitchfork ever hired

Because when I think Chad, I think of people like Robert Fripp and Jon Anderson.

Prog wasn't killed by critics, it just ran out of gas and musical tastes changed.

No it wasn't hated. It would've lasted longer, but all the popular prog bands like Genesis, Yes and Rush fucked off to more commercial pop orientated rock.

Underage: the post

Actually Christgau admitted he really doesn't like dealing with songs about death and existentialism because it's too depressing for him.

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rewriting history. Yes and Rush in particular have been hated by critics unrelentingly.

Geddy's voice, we know.

Aye, maybe I could have used better bands. Floyd, albeit more pseudo-prog, were brownnosed like fuck. I agree that there was a greater degree of disdain for the genre compared to msot other genres but for the most part I don't see it on the level that others do here.

Political music is about the lowest form of music there is, it's basically akin to being outraged at something you saw on the evening news.

Geddy's voice isn't any more obnoxious than Robert Plant's.

To add, my response initally was about what killed Prog. Prog was popular, maybe not so much with critics but it was popular with the people that actually listen to music. Prog died because the bands fucked off from the genre, and I doubt they fucked off from it becuase of some whiny cunt writing a review.

Floyd were more overtly political especially on Animals so it was ok to like them.

True, I should have said they "tried" to kill it. I agree, it reached its peak and there was no where else to go so bands moved on.

Floyd also is basically just a fancy blues band. The fact that they reference black music so heavily makes them acceptable to the critic class. The unabashed whiteness of prog is a big part of what critics hate.

"As for metal, well, that's generational and there'll be more of it. I suppose us graybeards should educate ourselves a bit, but it's like Balkan girl groups--I'd be a fool to try and like everything. To that end, I preferred the knee-jerk sexism of GNR I to the asshole existentialism of GNR II. I found myself putting James Hetfield out of his misery inside of five plays. Life is short and I found it getting shorter with every song."

Whether or not that's the case, it's widely regarded as being far more obnoxious.

And economic factors--it wasn't cost-effective to mount those huge, expensive ELP shows anymore.

how can he be a professional music reviewer when he deliberately limits himself on so many genres and musical themes? Aren't they supposed to have the "Professional palate" of music taste? That's like a top chef refusing eat broccoli cause it's just "not for him"

>That's like a top chef refusing eat broccoli cause it's just "not for him"
brocolli is for plebs

>dissing basedcolli
user, you are the plebs.

>But seriously, any music that doesn't conform to critics' "easy sound bite" mentality
Yeah the Sex Pistols spit at people and called the Queen a naughty name. Good copy.

That's probably because he sings about libertarianism

IDK. I can listen to Plant, Halford, Barry Gibb just fine, but Geddy's voice annoys me in a way I can't explain.

>Christgau has stated that he dislikes the following genres of music--heavy metal, folk, progressive rock, jazz-fusion, Celtic, salsa, gospel, and bluegrass.

I mean, that's a major reason critics hate Rush, but I don't think they;re pretending to not like his voice because of it. I love Rush and I love Geddy's voice but I can understand why people hate it. It's not a normal sounding voice by any means.

because it is mostly enjoyed by straight white males and its old

Maybe you have to be a leaf to "get" Rush, idk.

Neat.
>so-called professional music critic
>dismissing whole genres of music out of hand

They perceive black culture as being edgier and more hip.

This is a common meme that blacks are cooler and more "jive" than white people even though black culture is really just silly and cornball for the most part.

Soft Machine is based

Music critics are liberal fucks who don't like this music because it's not punk

>Journey on this chart
The only prog they ever did were the first two albums that nobody bought.

>if it sounds good and is pretty impressive
because it's boring, elp is just endlessly soloing to nowhere
if you want good keyboard driven prog listen to genesis

I think you're benig generous putting Supertramp in the image, but Journey has no reason being anywhere near it.

They hate their fathers so they hate those bands.

"Heavy metal is a world of its own, and even critics in their 30s who grew up listening to AOR such as Led Zeppelin and Quiet Riot seldom retain a serious affection for the genre. Rock intellectuals invariably prefer punk, alternative, even hip-hop and their dissent rankles the metal faithful. The phallic narcissism of metal has few rivals outside of toilet art, X-rated movies, and (oh yes) hip-hop."

"As one of those rock intellectuals, I remain unconverted. It never seems to occur to rock's faithful that for a lot of us, the melodramatic reverb-drenched strain that metal represents is precisely what rock and roll was put on Earth to save us from."

>led zep
>quiet riot
>AOR
I know this post is made every time the quote is posted, but fuck it, it deserves to be. Christgau's loose use of terminology is supposed to paint him as irreverent and holier-than-thou, but it paints him as a clueless douchebag instead. Throw "dark prog" in this same mix. Fuck this shitter.

>rock intellectuals

>as one of the x intellectuals
Is there a more sure-fire way to point yourself out as a massive retard?

The record labels were willing to support ELP's excesses as long as the albums sold and they were filling arenas, until the 1977 tour lost $1 million a show and Atlantic forced them to switch to a more simplified, commercial sound. Works Vol. 2 is a lot different in style from the Tarkus-era band and then came the fiasco of Love Beach so they could finish out their contract and jet off to their solo careers.

>makes a complete fool of himself
>heh... it was totally like all a joke guize like come on like it was just a joke hehe haha
He's like a fucking 13 year old.

Critics always need to create an "us versus them" narrative. For example, punk versus prog even though all the punks loved the established rock groups and had grown up with them.

They also claimed 50s rock and roll revolted against the slow, dopey traditional pop singers even though that was never really true either and all of the rock and rollers had grown up listening to traditional pop on the radio.

"You spend a year working on something only to get a B plus from some asshole at the Village Voice. I don't need someone to tell me I'm good. I know I'm good. Robert Christgau, what does he do in bed? Is he a toe fucker? 'Baroque rock: A study by Robert Christgau'. Start studying rock and roll? I can't believe it. I object to the fucking liner notes. And the worst part is these critics all get passes and front row seats and there's nothing we can do about it."

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Pink Floyd isn't prog you retard.

Hair metal versus grunge

I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison since hair metal was a total cliched joke by the end of the 80s and guys like Cobain clearly wanted to kill it off.

Because they know that their own profession is in fundamental contradiction to the thing it revolves around, and here are people excelling at something you can't do.

tired meme

Music criticism in the 70s was just as spiteful, political, and petty as it is today, possibly even more so.

The British critics from this period were worse, much worse.

bands like floyd are stoner magnets because they're psychedelic, I've never met a stoner whose said gentle giant or king crimson were the perfect music to listen to while stoned.

which is pretty ironic considering a lot of critics are pretentious douches

Critics love being as pretentious as humanly possible and showing off their knowledge of obscure stuff, regardless of whether it constitutes listenable music or not. Look at a critic's favorite albums list and 80% of it is stuff you've never heard of. It's always been this way.

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Funny cuz anyone who I've met that even knows who Gentle Giant or King Crimson are, have been massive stoners

of course. if it were actually about audio quality you wouldn't see cassette tapes being made again like they are, it's just retarded detached nostalgia from kids who never grew up with it.

>personal anecdotes
>correlation=causation
The qality of this godforsaken board.

The Power and the Glory is a top tier sativa album

Fucking qality post

I like vinyl, but moreso because of cool packaging and shit. The sound is not the best, but it's neat for old albums. Reissues of new shit on vinyl are cancer though.

More like fucking phonepost. Kill me.

My dad said it's a fucking outdated technology from the 1950s, why would you ever want to go back to vinyl.

>Beastie Boys
>Rolling Stones
>Husker Du
>Paul Simon
>obscure
Uh...

^This. Why do Millenials jerk off to shit casettes, awful, noisy mechanical keyboards, eye-rape CRT TVs. Seriously, why would anyone ever want to relive that caveman shit.

Rolling Stone has been a corporate rag since at least 1972.

its boring

I wish I could upboat this more than once!

If you have plenty of money to spend on frivolous things, I can understand why vinyl is cool if you're into collecting. The art is cool and the liner notes and stuff are cool. It's not practical at all but that's not what it's about.

that doesn't apply to cassettes though, they're worse in every conceivable way compared to CD or vinyl but they're still coming back because hipster faggots can't possibly like something popular.

Yeah I agree, I don't get casettes at all. It's just hipsterism

critics think they are above pretentiousness because they are self-aware of their own and other peoples pretentiousness, thus a blatantly masturbatory and pretentious genre is not hip and below them

^This. Critics have very little connection with what normal people listen to.

Because 80% of these bands didn't have the talent of their pretentions.

That was Topographic Oceans.

People are waking up to the deception.

Not a valid reason

>Misreads quote
>"Welp that's it guys, it's bad"

Because an interest in music is very often predicated on the idea of seeming cool and cultured and prog is nerdy. Critics are often more concerned with how liking a certain album or band will make them look rather than just liking it for the music. This has never been more evident as on p4k

"Anything that pertains too heavily to the emotions of one genre will not connect with the other and as a result seem 'uncool.' A lot of prog lacks any humor whatsoever and as a result comes across as being stern almost. An album like Dirty Projector's Rise Above is just somehow funnier than Close to the Edge. Pink Floyd were the only prog band that managed to avoid this dilemma thanks to their crude, rudimentary take on prog."
-Jordan Peterson

Honestly, it's because it represents white ingenuity. They hate to see a white person excel at their craft, so they have to bring them down to make room for their pet negros and their disco and rap music.

>A lot of prog lacks any humor whatsoever and
Actually plenty of prog is very humorous, it's just that not everyone gets the joke.

Pretentious Shite
Missing the worst of them all
>Styx
Also Journey? What?

>A lot of prog lacks any humor whatsoever
That's true of tons of genres. Are ambient, techno, classical of various eras, black metal, etc., etc., all bad because it lacks humor? Very little music has an element of humor. Ironically, prog is not among the genres that lack humor, even many of the major bands engaged in humor with their music, Genesis did so on all their major albums, Gentle Giant, ELP, Yes, many others. Seems like you don't actually know much about prog.

*not you
didn't realise this was a quotation. Not suprised Peterdick doesn't get prog. He's actually closeted continentalist post-modernist.

Thick As A Brick is arguably one of the best comedy albums ever created. The fuck is that 'prog lacks humor' shit?

However, it's also worth pointing out that modern technology allows better, more consistent vinyl pressing quality than we got in the 70s. Back then as many as 40% of discs came out defective and had to be thrown away, today they can get the defect rate down to about 10%.

You guys don't get it. A critic is supposed to recommend cool alternative/underground music to the listener, not Hall & Oates or Katy Perry or whatever. You could already hear that shit on the radio at the supermarket, why would you need to see it in an album rec list?

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It's not really Jordan Peterson, I just thought it sounded like him when reading over it. It's also not an opinion I'm that sold on either.

Journey and Asia are not prog

If only that were true and music critics weren't instead trying to push political agendas, virtue signal, and smugly put down any genre or fanbase they don't like.

Aristotle said 2300 years ago that "A man who becomes too interested in sports turns into an uncultured, simple-minded brute. A man who becomes too interested in music because weak and effeminate."

You do understand Greeks had a very different understanding of arts influencing behavior compared to ours, right?

I dont follow, read or listen any music critics but tell me Yea Forumsslims is there any big name critic who likes or sees some merit in Grindcore and its sub-genres?
Because it's one of those genres that can drive people away just after small listen due to incomprehensible screechpuke vocals, humorously downtuned sound, trashcan drums and downright disgusting and vulgar album artwork.

I mean it is still true that most athletes and coaches are stereotypical jocks, I remember having a discussion on Yea Forums about this and what sets Bill Belichick apart from most coaches is his cerebral approach to football.

>American Idiot [Reprise, 2004]
>If you're wondering what this concept album means, don't labor over the lyric booklet. As Billie Joe knows even if he doesn't come out and say it--he doesn't come out and say lots of obvious stuff--this is a visual culture. So examine the cover. That red grenade in the upraised fist? It's also a heart--a bleeding heart. Which he heaves as if it'll explode, only it won't, because he doesn't have what it takes to pull the pin. The emotional travails of two clueless punks--one passive, one aggressive, both projections of the auteur--stand in for the sociopolitical content that the vague references to Bush, Schwarzenegger, and war (not any special war, just war) are thought to indicate. There's no economics, no race, hardly any compassion. Joe name-checks America as if his hometown of Berkeley was in the middle of it, then name-checks Jesus as if he's never met anyone who's attended church. And to lend his maunderings rock grandeur, he ties them together with devices that sunk under their own weight back when the Who invented them. Sole rhetorical coup: makes being called a "faggot" something to aspire to, which in this terrible time it is. C+

Case in point. He's complaining that the album deals too much with Billie Joe's existential angst and not enough complaining about polly ticks.

Yeah take a song like Beyond The Realms of Death. That's too heavy for critics to deal with, they just want 90 second punk songs yelling about your mom sucks and fuck capitalism.

john peel had god tier taste in prog, he shilled egg for fucks sake

"Art and literature must serve politics"

Cuckgau so badly wishes he was Hunter Thompson but he's never had what it takes.

I know he also dislikes folk because it's too pastoral and genteel or something.

Yeah, he fucking wishes. I swear to god, Christgau's attempts at gonzo are the best proof that people will misunderstand the most direct and inspiring messages while trying to appear smart and cool. To be honest Hunter should have blown his brains out.

A Passion Play, cunt

>imblyign
TAAB, you absolute nigger. Also Heavy Horses and Aqualung. Hell, A Passion Play is a heavily underrated prog masterpiece, I can't believe people are still sleeping on it. Anderson is a sick cunt, possibly the most based rock musician of his generation.

Gonzo is supposed to be something you lived and experienced, it's who you are, not an aesthetic you try to poorly copy without understanding how it works.

Also if you read Christgau's memoir "Going Down To The City", it's an amazingly boring read because he's never really had anything that adventurous or interesting happen in his life. His wife's affair is the most thrilling thing in the book.

>It's probably the single most hated genre by critics other than maybe nu metal

Jazz fusion

Well, yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Thompson wanted people to write themselves through the news and news through themselves, to get rid of dishonest formalism and journalists distancing themselves from the subject. All Christgau took from it was literally "Ain't I a wacky guy doing wacky things drugs and alcohol lmao fuck America by the way". By sheer lack of deep, lived-through sentiment in his work Christgau is kind of anti-gonzo, despite trying desperately to be gonzo as fuck.

Not to mention being super-conformist and bandwagoning every single music fad that it was cool for critics to like.

70s: Punk
80s: African music
90s: Indie rock
2000s-2010s: Poptimism

It's just sped-up punk with some metal riffing thrown in. If you think it's just noise start listening to crossover shit like D.R.I. or Cryptic Slaughter first and then try grind later.

I feel so glad knowing Cuckgau got his ass kicked in high school.

I do not wish further evil upon him, but the fact that he's been repeatedly bullied first by jocks in his school then by the very musicians he wrote about is funny as fuck. Also, he's the ultimate cuck and the ultimate attention whore for giving so much attention to his wife cucking him.

>Also, he's the ultimate cuck and the ultimate attention whore for giving so much attention to his wife cucking him.
This tbqh. Why the fuck would you want to make that public.

That's pretty much what hip-hop is, and they love it.