What makes you think that Earl Sweatshirt expresses depression in his music in a better way than someone like tentacion

they're both GOATS at the genre

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i think a lot of the people who shit on x and peep have never listened to either, or maybe one of their most popular songs. if all you've heard is Look At Me! or Awful Things, i can see why you wouldn't like them. but yeah overall this board just tends to lump them in as just other trash rappers with face tats. it's a shame. (i know nobody mentioned peep in this particular thread but he gets the same treatment i find)

earls production is way too gimicky nowadays,its just some off beat shitty gospel or jazz sample and it sounds autistic and yet hipsters (mostly white) will eat it up.

youtube.com/watch?v=JrFmGh8znCA
tell me this doesnt sound autistic

unique ≠ good

If you listen to Earls last 2 albums they will have a severely negative impact on your mood, his lifeless voice, the depressing beats, and lyrics will make you feel like your hungover. Now I can see how people would enjoy this style but for me I prefer x. Now i fucking hate X's newer stuff but his older stuff is raw, pure emotion coming through, you can say its edgy 14 yr old white boy shit (which is definitely true. but when you listen to these, you will feel a rush.
youtube.com/watch?v=JG8mRnowk-k
youtube.com/watch?v=v0ckcqhKrbU

His newer music however is way too well produced and succumbs to mainstream taste for it to hold my interest. I remember when I associated X with deep angst and hate and not some bart simpson VHS meme. 17 was god awful, ? only had one good song (Floor 555) and Skins doesnt deserve to be talked about. I like the feeling that X was a teenager experimenting with emotional music and just throwing shit on the internet, not just some A-list celebratie trying to appeal 12 year olds who got left and read or got their X-box taken away.

I get the same feeling from Earls first album, he doesnt give a shit about anything and is making fun and shocking music for the fuck of it. Now he just seems like he hasn't been outside of his apartment for 7 years and has listened to nothing but MF DOOM and Aesop Rock and shitty gospel cassettes.

Thats my opinion

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this is written like an autist but stuff like imsippinteainyohood and yung bratz are pretty great

lmao faggot.

>g-guys which cool black guy is better at being sad? i want to know who to be sadder at.

You're underage. Fuck off. I've listened to all of XXX's releases, they're all mediocre garbage for neoavant-teens too lazy to get into jazz who try to fit in with the other kids at school. Guess what, you never will, you're chemically fucked up

its about the expression of the sadness, not the sadness itself

sorry i'll go back to shitposting about radiohead and jerking off to nmh because that's obviously the only real music out there you fucking dolt

>ruining good discussion on Yea Forums
>in thread talking about why one person’s depression is more or less valid than another’s
Lmao

earl actually has some pretty impressive vernacular mate and way of saying stuff.
“flip a soliloquy off a tongue tip”
“brodie on a corner with a piece on his hip, give a warning ‘fore he blow it in the sky”
“that’s just how it is though, you die and then you live, your heart and then your limbs break”
he comes off as pretty intelligent imo

x’s stuff is literally pseudo-pretentious bullshit. his lyrics are so stupid that they come off as he’s trying to pretentious and deep but he’s not. ffs the intro to his first album was “U ARE ABOUT TO STEP IN 2 MY MIND”

i agree with you m8. these guys are fuckin elitist boomers lmao have fun not having emotional cleansing after listening to beamer boy or imsippinteainyourhood

i loved earl and i loved this album until someone called me a retard and told me to listen to MIKE
i thought he was exaggerating but this album is literally just what MIKE has been doing but worse and it made me lose a respect for earl. earl ended up just being a whiney oreo that's really upset other black people don't respect him for being smart and thinking of him as acting white. he resents his white fans but those are the only fans he has.

It's just hipster favoritism and context. Earl used to be good so people still want to see him in that "he's still good at music" light, but he's not. IDLS was garbage for the most part and this was SUPER garbage. It's certainly not experimental or in any way innovative, which his fans try to paint it as. Earl's depression isn't very potent seeing as how he's a rich connected kid from an affluent LA suburb. He comes off as kind of a douche too. Before it was funny when he was young but he still seems to have an incredibly immature sense of humor, only with the added bonus of now pandering to #woke twitter blacks and whites. He mocks Tyler and his fans while being just as much if not more of cliche with himself and his fanbase. "Success sucks, wahhhh". Compare with Danny Brown, who made an album about his addictions and hardships, party lifestyle versus his reality, and the finally an album about his persona versus his real self. There was an evolution there, and a real sense of pathos in them all. You felt Danny's pain and you felt his victories no matter how fucked up they really were. Whether that's theater or not is up for debate, but Danny made you believe it. Earl can't. He just mopes endlessly. His music is more a potent sleep aid than vehicle for emotion.

What about X? He's shit. Taste is generally a big deal in art. X had none. He cited Three Days Grace as an influence, which explains his nu metal anime tier angst. He was also stupid, so any "deep" lyrics were just by happenstance. ISTDIM is a Tyler the Creator rip off, incidentally. Look At Me was just a worse reproduction of Game's Holy Water which utilized the same sample, and Vice City was the most intentionally terribly mixed song I've ever heard. It's like he was TRYING to be Mr. underground, but I suspect he was a plant. And his "boom bap" facsimile sound is a joke. 99 percent of artists who try that sound these days never get it. His versatility was shallow, and he had nothing to say.

I agree about Earl. I even used to wear the Earl Sweatshirt Lakais when I was in highschool, but I'm not in highschool anymore and he just hasn't matured whereas most of his listeners probably have.
I disagree about X. I don't think he's particularly "talented" or whatever as a musician, but I don't think very many rappers are actually talented musicians. I don't take rap music seriously enough. As someone who almost exclusively listens to rap, it's not "good" music, it's almost purely for the energy. I don't listen to X because I think he was a great musician, he just captured an aesthetic and an energy that happened to appeal to a lot of people regardless of its technical merit. Is it "good"? Not really, but then neither is 99% of rap music or popular music in general. Go listen to Scriabin or Coltrane or something if you want to talk about quality music.

Seriously none of you upper middle class white boys browsing Yea Forums from your nice suburban home are depressed.

Say that at my funeral in 3 weeks after I kill myself lol

And I'm saying X's "vibe" and "aesthetic" and "energy" were cornball hack shit. You can be a shitty musician but still make decent to good music. Are you gonna write a symphony? No, but you could definitely entertain in a way that indicates you have some taste. X didn't have that. He was all edgelord. I'm not saying he doesn't have good songs. He has a handful, but that's no surprise considering he released a fuck ton. Bound to be right eventually. He had a pretty good versatile voice but his writing was just godawful. Not a good rapper from a lyrical perspective, not super technical, didn't have good production a lot of the time. He just sucks dude. Sad was one of his few good songs, and it's no surprise since he's just singing over a good pop beat. He has a couple others. Caution was good. Freddy Vs Jason, couple more. Other than that, throw it all in the trash.

At this point you're just angry that people like things that you don't like. None of it is "good music". You're just delusional and up your own ass and think anyone that has different taste from yours is stupid and wrong.

Those Facebook maymays about feeling depressed sure are epic! Le big sad XD

>It's all subjective maaaan
>You're mad
Yeah, yeah. I've heard it all before. I'm just angry, even though I wrote that with no emotion. Perhaps you're projecting because I don't agree? I'd suspect you're younger if you like X so much. I don't think calling a spade a spade is delusional. This is my opinion, you don't have to take it as gospel, and I never implied so. The irony is you're reacting this way because I don't agree with you. I don't think anyone is stupid or wrong for liking X. I just think he's an edgelord hack with very little discernible talent. That's not an attack on you my friend. Learn to debate.

>Look At Me was just a worse reproduction of Game's Holy Water which utilized the same sample
Too bad the original sample, and Skream himself, is 100x better than both Game and X combined.

>At this point you're just angry that people like things that you don't like
>None of it is "good music". You're just delusional and up your own ass and think anyone that has different taste from yours is stupid and wrong.
So, you just said that he's angry that he doesn't like things others like, and then you get mad that he likes something you don't like. Are you retarded?

That Lucki song fucking bangs idk what you're on.
Yeah X's stuff is raw emotions but nothing more than that and some lyrics that you and me could come up with,meanwhile EARL's music is deeply layered and I think his new production style only reflects that(the loops,the samples.the little details in SRS).
Lyrics-wise,Earl is miles ahead I mean the dude's just gifted and has poetry running in his veins.

He contributed far more than your strawman of a post. It's true, albums with themes of depression and the like are always compared and contrasted through a competitive lens, with people pulling so much out of their asses to show that a given artist isn't as "depressed" as they perceive their music to make them out to be. Who gives a shit? Yeah, expressing emotions related to depression and anxiety and whatnot don't make your album automatically good, but if the album is good in a musical sense why whine about the artist not being "depressed enough" in your view?

Because while Earl does talk a lot about depression, he explores different faces of it. XXX just screams ''I AM ANGRY'' or sings ''i am sad :'(''

examples
Burgundy : expectations from fans and worrying
Chum : relationship with father
Huey : relations with fans
Faucet : antisocial tendencies and relationship with gf
Peanut : father's death

it's not like he just repeats ''i am sad and depressed'' all the time. he just has problems, and expresses it very well

>I'm just angry, even though I wrote that with no emotion.
bruh,if you don't take rap music as a serious art form you have no business in discussing it,you're just embarassing yourself.

What the fuck are you talking about and what does that quote have to do with anything. Do get sarcasm? Just because I don't like x and earls latest output doesn't mean I don't respect hip hop as an art form lmao

we need to get this out of the way first: NEITHER ARE GOOD. that said, X is absolutely worse. I don't know about you, but when an artist's most popular tracks includes a song that's literally
>Who am I? Someone that's afraid to let go, uh
>You decide, if you're ever gonna, let me know (yeah)
>Suicide, if you ever try to let go, uh
>I'm sad and low, yeah
eight times in a row, then I stop paying attention. it also doesn't help that his lyrical treatment of depression is on par with 13 Reasons Why, while Earl actually has a little bit more depth than that

i'd recommend you try some of his other tracks out. i love x but i get the criticisms of SAD!, i'm not a big fan of it either. maybe try some of these:
>slipknot
>supra (kin$oul ft. x)
>king of the dead
>the fall
>ice hotel
these have some of his better lyrical writing imo.

thanks, but I probably won't. I'll save your list just in case I get bored though

King of the Dead is fucking amazing. Wish he kept that kind of sound

>Skream
Actually it's a Mala sample