/prod/ - music production general

clyp.it/332yagvc

Updated, but now with TENSION.

instaud.io/3l3X

how would you improve this
also general feedback is appreciated

I dig the progression, sounds like a jazzy DOS game ost

Work on mixing and mastering. Track is constantly clipping.

I call it literal shit. Stop trying to be intellectual. You are not that intelligent.

>trying
I am, now listen to the updated version.

>clyp.it/332yagvc
sounds like a glitchy hacking sequence from a dark gritty cyberpunk-themed indie game

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You don't realise that only you are hearing what you think you are hearing in your tracks. No-one is going to get what you are trying to do unless you demonstrate it in a way that is somewhat accessible to new listeners. At the moment it sounds like absolute rubbish. Of course it's going to be palatable to you, since you made it from scratch. Get out of your own headspace and look at it objectively.

Why would I try to make something that is accessible to listeners? My goal is to create something that I have never heard. Otherwise, what's the point in innovation of music? I guess one way I am trying to make it more accessible is using Cinema4D to make videos to go along with the music. That way there is a visual and conceptual reason for the music to exist. I have been creating a world for years and I am getting close to realizing it.

i used to be very picky and edit all the tracks to the grid for hours, especially because i was shit at timing. an example: youtube.com/watch?v=5aDWDt-xrbs

then i realized i got better at timing and that it's a good thing to leave the eventual mistakes for they help sound natural, so i stopped being so picky and only fixed major mistakes. an example: youtube.com/watch?v=HfjtnQd-qSs

Decent sounds, bad idea/worse execution

It hurts because I can hear what you're trying to do and you're completely missing the confield rhythm bro

Stop linking to your fucking YouTube
Just learn to play in time

i play in time

This is probably a really fucking babby tier dumb question, but how do I get a warbly, warm synth tone similar to this?
youtube.com/watch?v=-OiB3390bgw

Can anyone recommend a portable usb sound card with good low-latency ASIO support? Recording quality, bit rates and amplification aren't super important, I just want efficiency and low latency for playing my VSTs on my portable.

I definitely see the comparison but I'm not trying to replicate Autechre. Autechre still has a sensible rhythm, whereas mine is a complete glitch pile of shit. Here's the update version, I think it makes more sense. I wish I could show you visually what I'm working on to coincide with it.

>youtube.com/watch?v=HfjtnQd-qSs
lol is that you? Are you flying a kite in the nude? That's pretty gay.

why gay

Because you look like a twink in that picture.

it sounds like you're the gay here

It still sounds like a straight rip to me
Idk man I like most of your ideas but so much of what you end up doing baffles me

(Not clicking)
Warm= pitch warble, saturation after low pass, don't cut or even boost low mids

Guys,

I just finished mixing an EP for someones band.

Stylistically each song is a bit different, and i have no idea whether they're good mixes or not because i fucking hate the music, and more importantly, i hate myself.

Can someone point out what is glaringly shit about the mixing in any of these 4, i'll say which style they were chasing with each song so you can open the ones closest to the genres you all like, then tell me to kms because i can't mix for shit.

appreciate any and all hate an feedback tbqh

>Acoustic style song:
clyp.it/somqapyg
>Pop Punk Style:
clyp.it/xinrseom
>Grungy Song:
clyp.it/ozdu4sg1
>Funkier song:
clyp.it/5xcwlsda

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I'm not taking offense at all, but I'm curious what you mean? The problem I face is I have a lot of fun just designing sounds, I have a drive for experimentation. But I think I'm in the awkward transition where I'm learning all these new techniques but not creating something listenable for others. I think if I keep at it I can take my experimenting and make something more palatable. I'm really inspired by this stuff, but I have difficulty recreating what I find good in it.

youtu.be/QDHuZzafnIc
youtu.be/PrInnBii4ac
youtu.be/nDYBhvrKrvk
youtu.be/gU2g10foMhc
youtu.be/Np93DwDzy-I
youtu.be/szWhzdqrS2g

Sorry for barrage of links, trying to paint a picture.

this one is better than the updated version, start automating the reverb and put a short weird ass ambient part without beat to create contrast with the glitchy madness

How much did they pay you?

What do you think of this?
vimeo.com/230826087
Is this how Brazilian women are like?

Why?

To be blunt what I meant was that you have cool sounds and occasionally a good melodic idea or something but your songs are pure shit or don't go anywhere after 5 seconds

Believe me, I get; we've got similar styles/influences and I dealt with that for a long time (still do lol). Ime the transition between repetitive sound design wanking for 3 minutes and an actual song is really just mindset and how soon you stop yourself from digging down the rabbit hole

... imma listen to the links later because I dig your taste :p

vocals seems thin and too dry but I think you managed to get the levels right at least

The first one sounds thin and tinny.

Your mixes are alright. I don't know how good the recordings were but it's all solid enough.

I just hope you got some money for your time.

I’m taking 25% of the bands cut from streaming and CDs etc but no advances.

I don’t they were good enough to be paid for, especially given how low some real engineers are willing to go interms of rates

No, these women are gutter trash and don't know class.
This is an average Brasileira:
youtu.be/Z2-hpbRu610?t=1075

average brazilian woman
youtube.com/watch?v=RqZyTFMb8OA

Cheap facelifts and boobjobs qualify as classy down there?

FUCK YOU
This is a proper Brazilian woman:
youtube.com/watch?v=EVfGZImxJFk
youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9EnZ14cY4

WRONG
These are classy Brazilian women

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WRONG
This is.

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Makes sense, thanks for being frank. Where I live there's a lot of yes men who will say "duuuuude nice I like this" or "not feelin this one". /prod/ threads used to be the place where I'd get real valuable knowledge. But with every thread those good anons I used to know are gone, that was years ago. Makes me sad, I don't know how /prod/ will regain it's variety. Now it's overrun by shit trap beats and acoustic covers recorded on an iphone. Went on a tangent, but you get it. You gotta clyp I can listen to?

yea mostly

No problem, I hope that wasn't too harsh- you're one of the few anons who post music up my alley lol... and yeah i know what you mean.

I generally avoid posting music here ever
clyp.it/2lvk0iim?token=8f68bfdf59b646724ea737b9a2099e87

>overrun
That's two guys (and a guy pretending to be those two guys), and they're treated like the memes they are.

Which one, guys? And how's the mix, eqs etc?
instaud.io/3laK
instaud.io/3laN

>instaud.io/3laK
P BASS! sounded more clear
the punheta bass sounds louder, or at least cuts the mix better

One obvious tip: you can't dive into free-form until you've simply mastered form. Make interesting tracks using the same humdrum arrangements and elements of all the songs you linked to, and really, of nearly every song ever made.

That's what I hate about Reddit. Give a blunt honest opinion and you'll be downvoted to oblivion.

give me feedback and i'll give you feedback, samuel

reddit:unhelpful positivity
/prod/: unhelpful flaming

really the thing on reddit when criticizing is you have to constantly be like "NOT TO BE AN ASSHOLE BUT" "YOU SHOULD CONSIDER" and hold their fucking hand the entire time.

how the fuck can you afford to have two redundant basses and no monitors???

the answer here should be extremely obvious if you weren't focused on having everything up front. thanks for not just uploading isolated tracks with no context like you used to though i guess

whats your post

How do I set one track to a certain BPM but another track to another instead of setting one BPM for the whole project? For example the drums I'm sampling have a Segment BPM of 239.93 but everything else I'm making in the project has a BPM of 90? How do I fix this?

>how the fuck can you afford to have two redundant basses and no monitors???
theyre not redundant, synthfag. one is a 5 string active J, other is a 4 string passive PJ.
i'm not willing to spend two months worth of soul killing wage on monitors while i already have some shitty logitech 2.1 system
>the answer here should be extremely obvious if you weren't focused on having everything up front. thanks for not just uploading isolated tracks with no context like you used to though i guess
what

this one and i'd say your mixes are decent but your kick and the bass is clashing, notch one out for the other to sit in

audioz.download/software/win/152669-download_ableton-live-suite-v1006-incl-patched-and-keygen-r2r.html
is this download legit? i know you guys say audioz is a good place to get from, but is this download in specific clean? i dont want a virus.

don't even ask about mixing without having a pair of monitors or high end headphones, you literally can't hear what are you doing just accept that for now you will only be capable of doing shitty demos

UNCLICK WARP YOU DUNCE
or type in a different segment bpm

>synthfag
i know what p and j basses are you stupid fuck, people are allowed to play more than one type of music. I call it redundant because that's literally the least important instrument to have two of.

>logitech
idk what to say to you that would make you realize why this is hurting your music

>what
subtle

just virus scan for russian btc miners bro :^)

yes please try to explain to him. nobody can seem to

pls i dont want virus help me out d00d

can't get more legit than that, run the keygen inside a vm if you really are that scared
>russian
they are actually japanese

R2R are japs?

yes

>i know what p and j basses are you stupid fuck, people are allowed to play more than one type of music
>I call it redundant because that's literally the least important instrument to have two of.
well that's kinda mutually exclusive of your part. a p and an active j have very different tones.
>idk what to say to you that would make you realize why this is hurting your music
i mix on the k240 headphones, just use the logitech z313 to check some shit. it makes me shit my lows tho because it has too much of them and then i listened on the singer's car and the bass wasnt even audible.
blame the user that strongly recommended me buying these. i could as well have bought some shit unbranded 2.1 crap and saved some bucks.

its not malware or spyware?
im good?
no datamining?

>p and an active j have very different tones.
AGAIN i fucking know. it's not the difference between a les paul and a strat. You can tell easily but the average person can't.

For fucks sake just use the p bass take, nobody should have to tell you it meshes better

I STRONGLY recommend you go ask your studio mentors if monitors are worth having

I never noticed anything strange myself, unless you're also a hackerman you can never be 100% sure though

pretty decent

well, it sounds like you're using a cheap interface with a bunch of free vsts. maybe it just sounds bad bc of the bounce or the upload quality is bad. but the bitrate sounds really low. I hope it's that and not the tracks. the mix is okay, the snare is really quite buried and could be brought up more. I'd cut the bass in the lower mid and really boost quite low. then side chain it to the kick/cut the frequency of the kick on the bass EQ. overall guitars are too loud and it sounds overcompressed.

first one the guitar is over-compressed and much too bright. vocals sound a little thin but if you make the guitar a little warmer you might not have to make the vocals fatter. but consider it.

the second one sounds like the kooks. guitars are slightly loud. vocals need more presence. I'd just cut the low mid bc if you boost the highs the sibilance is going to get worse. maybe throw some slapback delay on the vocals to make them less dry. snare isn't really snapping and doesn't have much body.

third one is pretty good too. I think the drums are over-compressed. maybe it's just the whole master is over-compressed. again the vocals are drier than I would do, I'd again just add some subtle slapback delay or something just to make it take up a little more room.

last one the snare seems to be panned left? idk if that's the case, but don't do that. snare and kick need to be centered. not your fault but the timing on this track is kind of wavering. idk the whole stereo imaging of this track seems to be kinda weird. maybe it sounds better on monitors/speakers. again, the vocals are dry. maybe that's what they want. but they're super dry and I think they would sound better if they got a little reverb or delay going on. overall, I'd say adjust the dynamics and EQ of your mixes, especially on the vocals and the drums. guitars could be a little cleaner in the lower mid too.

How's my shitty beat coming along /prod/?
clyp.it/y1hyisvq

well i could find good reasons to use both bass takes on that mix myself
the p sounded like it lacked some frequences before i added a bunch of exciters to it

clyp.it/w3ybj3hf

I'd like some ears on this WIP. I bounced this mix to tape and 0:00-2:07 is normal speed. 2:08-end is slowed down with pitch control two whole steps. which vibe do you all like more? also, 1:18-2:07 is the section of the song I'm unsure about. when I originally started writing this a few months ago, I got stuck in the two chord rut and found it difficult to add another element that didn't sound contrived. so I'd like to know if that section works, which speed you all think suits the track better, and any general feedback on the mix.

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Thanks for the feedback man. Yeah it's a low quality mp3, of course it sounds like shit bitrate-wise (good do-not-steal measure, kek). Anyway, makes sense what you say, it does indeed sound a bit too compressed. I'll tweak it. It's really tough hearing the compression and shit since my ears aren't that trained yet to taking notice of these details.

1/5 links posted are actually good
another 1/5 have potential
the other 3/5ths are garbage. the 3/5s know who they are, and should definitely give up.

So THIS is the user we were talking about. clyp.it/5d5uvtn2 Straight up stolen melody, made me laugh.

>the p sounded like it lacked some frequences before i added a bunch of exciters to it
BRO fucking stop
your bass doesn't need to be heard above the fucking guitars every fucking song

>initiate ignore sequence
like damn if Yea Forums passes could mute ips that would be so great

are you implying that he's the troll and intentionally posting shit or that he's one of the two? because i assumed the two being referred to were demarcus and sammy lol

mate, 80/20 rule

80% is shit

I'm confused by this post.

not above the guitars but i want it to shine too

yeah np. it's really hard to give super specific advice bc of the audio quality. as for not having the ears yet I get, but there are general rules you can follow to insure that you don't over-compress. Like, use parallel compression on the drums instead. the kick sounds pretty clicky, which generally I know it does sound that way for metal. but it could use a little body. same with the snare. maybe even sidechain compress the rhythm guitars to the kick drum. but not too much. same with the bass. I think the guitars are too loud bc you're a guitar player obviously and you want to hear your instrument and so you subconsciously mix it louder. but step back, mix at lower volumes, and serve the purpose of the track

>i want it to shine too
it's SUPPOSED to be in the background

is this worth a shit?

now it's all, now it's none
life is gone, what'd you done

but basses are cool

youtu.be/WHzDOwDtWf8 (after 1:00)
youtu.be/0bSIqzPxvMw (after 0:19)

clyp.it/ezfxjqgy

made another ski mask beat
Guess the sample

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calling me a Proddie cunt?

how did the old albums (70s and before) manage to not hipass everything and have a lot of lows and still not sound muddy

Oh hey guys, I;m the guy that did the awful recording of a song called saints cause suicide... turns out my condensor mic was the wrong way round so I was singing into its back end... so that explains a lot, heh.

They were mixed for records and they weren't compressed to shit for the loudness war.

hehe

i was planning on recording some vocals and guitars today but some moms friend came

>youtu.be/0bSIqzPxvMw
still more subtle than you

they didn't have the lows we have today sam
they recorded without the lows in the first place instead of highpassing everything

oh

fux widdit
but wtf your clyp account is banking off samples mang

what actually constitutes spamming?
like literally half of the past ten posts are sammy, i think that's a decent enough excuse for a ban

>i think that's a decent enough excuse for a ban
Being a tripfag in /prod/ should be grounds for a ban.

>but wtf your clyp account is banking off samples mang
I don't usually post the ones I make without samples

posting on /prod/ at all should be grounds for ban from Yea Forums

true, and honestly every time he spams his youtube links is technically "advertising/begging"

how do i make more subtle then, mids cut, highs cut, or track volume

im not spamming you shutup autistic

how are they classing, the bass is already hipassed at 80hz

>using a trip qualifies as begging for attention and thus deserves a ban
lmao

>the bass is already hipassed at 80hz

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it does. you dont need to be identified on an anonymous board. it is attention whoring.

show the rule that says that

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damn we're really 14 yrs old here

Can everyone just stop talking to Samuel? It's so unbelievably easy to just not talk to him

>Anything with your artist name should be posted in the soundcloud or bandcamp threads

you asked for it dude

it actually is not

>clyp.it/ezfxjqgy
The first time I listened I felt like even the first tempo was too slow and then I listened to it again after listening to the whole thing and the first tempo felt a little fast but the second tempo felt a touch too slow. I can't comment on mixing since I'm listening through a shitty mono radio speaker.
Love your work though; keep it up.

>how are they classing

The question you should be asking is "why can't I hear that they are clashing?

The answer is>i'm not willing to spend two months worth of soul killing wage on monitors while i already have some shitty logitech 2.1 system

I'm starting to write an album on partitures but I don't know if learning instruments (i dont know how to play any) or hiring people to play tem and using computers to get the tones and stuff I want is more efficient. Can I get any advice on this?

why are all the daws so expensive

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Check out Studio One.
Its standard, full featured version is only $100.

the answer is >i mix on the k240 mkii headphones, just use the logitech z313 to check some shit. it makes me shit my lows tho because it has too much of them and then i listened on the singer's car and the bass wasnt even audible.

>partitures
Do you go to a school for music even though you can't play any instruments? I was a band geek and I've never heard this word before...
For which instruments do you want to write?
>GOAT DAW
>$60
>expensive

Reaper is free

Tracktion is free

>the first tempo felt a little fast but the second tempo felt a touch too slow
you're right, I chopped the second section manually and didn't line it up with the grid correctly. I went and fixed that
Thanks for the tips and inspiring words

thanks man. I'll settle for a whole step down.

what is you doin? you aint me?

I think he was making fun of me for not saying anything useful.

I think about music a lot so I've been learning about writing music and so on, and I've shit out a fair amount of stuff even though I'm not sure if it makes any sense at all. As for instruments, guitar, bass, piano, i don't know.
ah, and as for 'partitures' I thought that's how you'd write 'Music Sheet' in english lmao

the clyp in the post is mine lmao

right

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Sheet music would be the common term. Partiture is some music nerd shit.
If it's just guitar, bass, and piano, then I would say learn them yourself unless you want to write something virtuosic which I can't imagine is the case based on that instrumentation.

the fuck is happening

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Oh! Hahahaha, I quoted the wrong clyp.it. Oops.

you good I thought you were pullin some autist shit

it's all good

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bump bb

Lmao nice
youtube.com/watch?v=vM4x4rzuo_c

this thread deserves to die but i will show mercy with a

bump

t-t-thanks

i have finished off 3 songs today so i feel like i deserve to slack off and post tonight and there is noooobooooody fucking here wtf

post songs

after declaring myself oh so productive i will just get flamed and told i'm awful no matter what i post, no thanks

also the whole point of these threads is feedback and sharing ideas-they're done to me, idgaf about them anymore

Could you be more insecure god damn

you all always make fun of me so yes

faggot

>not making a spectacle of yourself for plays makes you a faggot

breh

Protip nobody makes fun of non insecure people

I just want to make music like Carissa's Wierd but I'm too much of a pussy to talk to people so I need to learn all the instruments and be able to sign. ;_; How do you guys cope? Please don't tell me to make electronic music with rubber and water sounds.

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It's pretty fun to shitpost with him though, and it keeps the general bumped.

you faggot liar you all always make fun of me even though i am confident in my abilities like an alpha i cant win with /prod/ ever fuc you

just learn to synthesize lol

We can see through your mask Sammy, we know you're insecure.

Youre a dunning kruger imbecile

Talking yourself up and dismissing people who give you advice, even though you’re new as shit, doesn’t make you confident or “alpha” rofl it just makes you an uncompetitive insecure little bitchboi

I dunno, I just don't stress about music.

>Please don't tell me to make electronic music with rubber and water sounds.
>tfw nobody will make music with these sounds with you and head stuck up own ass

FUCK MAN you just haaaaaad to remind me

>Carissa
do not know but anybody can make any music solo now a days user

.... nobody saw that

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They have a violinist and dual male + female vocals.
I downloaded the Spitfire Audio solo strings library but it's not the same as the real thing.
>.... nobody saw that
Haha. Well, I spelled 'sing' wrong, so I'm right there with you.

Just make some music fuckin idiot

>spelling
hehe....... not that >:)

i don't use strings much but this guys channel shed some light..... he's more soundtrack stuff though youtube.com/watch?v=E6qtxbUfbu0&list=PLXsgPw9BIOXHPBGSmSDU0VPQc9Dnfut_u

instaud.io/3leX

clyp.it/skq5aykz

any ideas how to make this better? mixing advice would be nice aswell im not that experienced at mixing

who dis

that was me messing with ribs after some user posted it here

>ribs
no idea but it sounded cool af

thanks, ribs is a free granular vst, it sounds great but it's a pain to use. I was just messing with the controls until i got something cool, not exactly an hard thing to do, the problem is being able to control it.

GOTCHA
i've been devout and faithful to absynth for a while but this looks pretty tempting.............. and your thing speaks for itself. Gotta try it

okay the grain multipler thing is a really cool idea but this fucking interface man.....................

gonna have to READ THE MANUAL thoroughly

yeah it's a shame, really uncomfortable to use

More sound fx and hooky shit, I want to have something to say/do while listening other than bob my head.

clyp.it/n1hputmg
clyp.it/m15eu2vd

can I get some feedback on my new beat please

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Is tha a boy or girl

A very attractive young woman.

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me on the left

Drum game weakk WEAKKK.
Actually does better on the second mix where I can pretend it's a filler track on a lofihiphopbeatstostudychillto youtube mix.

Posture is shit and the face ain't helpin me but I can't help but wonder hows the boohtay?

I am trying to up my reggae game
youtube.com/watch?v=1-auuiqujuQ
Any advice appreciated.
I’m not even sure who is a good reggae artist to follow example of. But this is my best so far. Probably not great.

whats wrong with the drums
I tried to keep it simple

If I may interject.
The drums are dry, a wee bit of processing like running them in two channels, but pushing one channel through an FX like a microphasor and reverb, just a small bit- it will make them more dynamic, not so stationary. Hope that might help you out there!

sigh
alright

Yeah, I get the sigh. Its ok man but the other poster was right. The little extra effort will go a long way into refining not just your tunes but also your workflow. The listener will appreciate it. Godspeed on the learn.

I know he's right but I'm not even sure what a microphaser is and I feel like reverb might be weird, it's just supposed to be a trap beat. I guess it's boring though.

>just
See that's why so much of your shit is boring, bland, and bad; you have no interest in what you're doing.

Thank you to guy that responded to me , your post was helpful, i'm not the guy that responded to you in that thread even though his post is gone now

Actually I'm also curious what a microphaser is.
Would that be a phaser with very little depth and a shitton of poles?

A microphasor allows you to make, by slowing the oscillation right down, that the beat is circling in 3D around the listener. A tiny tiny bit of reverb so if you got to imagine: listening to your mix in a club room. That’s the sound that will sell mentally better than bland/basic stock drumb loops.

i feel like some good vocals could accomplish that, no?

I could run a beat through one to show the example if you like.

Cc

youtube.com/watch?v=rT-Bsed1a1Y

it's just a really tiny phaser, not too different from a microphanis

>you have no interest in what you're doing.
Yeah, not really.

Sure.

>if you got to imagine: listening to your mix in a club room.
I don't go outside.

T

Oh cool I actually have a thing that does that.

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Yes, very much so but full vocals aren't often discussed here as /prod/ is full of sample jockeys.

I laffed 'arder than I aught've.

>
haha i see. thanks for the feedback :)

Here go

dropbox.com/s/nlieydtlog7ewg5/Micro-hazier.wav?dl=0

I tried to introduce different ways of applying just the same effect. Microphasor and little bit of reverb. And some delay with a high pass filter.

okay one more thing can you show me how to kill myself

Yes textfiles.com has a wide range of texts upon that exact matter

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>clyp.it/somqapyg
not really a mixing issue but guitar is a bit out of tune
but yeah, the most glaring fault is with the arrangement itself here
>clyp.it/xinrseom
guitars are too muddy and loud in the mix, a lot of annoying highs as well
>clyp.it/ozdu4sg1
too quiet compared to the rest, too compressed
>clyp.it/5xcwlsda
band's playing is bad here, not much you can really do here

Is it me or does Serum sound like fucking garbage?

bruh most of the time im on ableton and i have no idea what to do, shit is fucking frustrating and overwhelming son

Any bros recommend a good interface to start with?

I'm trying to decide between the Presonus AudioBox or Focusrite Scarlett 2i2

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I can tell you right now that Focusrite is shit, their products are extremely cheap, and their support is worthless. I have never heard of the other one though so I'm sure you'll end up getting a Scarlett

Yeah I definitely get a bad vibe from the Scarlett so I was leaning more towards the other one.

audient id14
there's a 1 channel that's cheaper too

Cool.

Do you guys know anything about the The Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD?

It looks amazing for the price

some more ersatz Resident Evil / Silent Hill inspired ambient. it's made entirely with guitar sounds but idk ... ended up a bit more lo-fi than I wanted

instaud.io/3lhx

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how do i know my mix is balanced?
how do i make my stuff louder? do i cut even more frequencies? do i compress it better?

>amazing
4 channels for fraction of the price? yeah that's cut costs dude

reference tracks

you never responded to me mother fucker!

you mean about collaborating? yeah desu I've never collaborated before and am still new to production so need to work on my chops first. definitely a possibility in the future though. did you make any more silent hill core?

It's okie I only cried for a little bit
I still enjoy hearing what you post tho (:

Nah, went a Lofi way in ambient after and had a trap day. Maybe next song, I've been thinking I need to start playing guitar again to do something like the theme songs though

instaud.io/3liW
Is the deep voice good or should I get rid of it? (it appears around one minute in)
Im trying to go for a Cthulhu/ HP Lovecraft type of mood.

clyp.it/o033zxo1
Made this after listening to Nippon bangers

>how do i make my stuff louder?
Turn up the volume of your speakers

Guys what do you say about RAM? I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro with a SSD atm and it actually works pretty great. However is has only 4 gb ram so i'm thinking about upgrading it to either 8gb or 16gb. I work with omnisphere and sometimes live's woodwind/brass instrument packs. What do you guys know about RAM? Is it even worth having 16 when no one really never uses more than 8?

8 was not enough for me I have no idea how you can work with just 4

I know for a fact you won't be able to load the high-res samples in Albion if you don't have enough RAM. Seriously high-quality uncompressed orchestra samples tend to be that big.

Synthesizers-focused plugins, like Omnisphere, rely on heavy processing power (CPU) in order to run multiple instances of plugins that all need to process audio IN REAL TIME.

Computer pro tip: If you're experiencing slow-dows and glitches during playblack in your DAW, it's not your RAM being full but rather your CPU acting up because it's constantly at 100%.

Monitor your activities and how they affect your system performance.

Depends on what you do.

The RAM is for holding the things that are currently in use so when the computer needs to load them or work with them it doesn't have to wait for them to be read and written on the drive (which is MUCH slower than the RAM, even with SSDs).
When you need to load more than the RAM can hold, your OS temporarily moves some stuff on the drive so you can still work, but this makes things much slower because now the computer needs to work on moving things between the RAM and the drive.
So more RAM means more things loaded at the same time without your computer slowing down.
4GB of RAM is certainly usable, but with 8 GB or more you can open as many browser tabs as you want (with videos, javascript, and whatever RAM-hogging sontent they may have) while you're working on a big project with sample libraries and whatnot, without worrying about it slowing down.

Also, some programs think that they can just fill up any unused RAM space (because it's technically wasted so might as well just use it), which makes it slower for other programs to load.

So yeah, get as much as you can afford or fit in your computer because it does make a difference.

Thanks guys. Indeed thorough and good answers.

The novelty of music is already lost for me guys whether it's playing, creating, or listening. How do I cope with this?

Find another hobby/job or get into extremely weird music.

Already do, I mostly draw or paint nowadays. As for weird music, I personally can't into that because non tension-and-release based music don't feel that pleasant for the ears in my opinion

Then be the change you want to see (hear?)
Make weird music that has tension and release.

looks like that communist whore that gets posted on /pol/

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Switch to a new hobby, don't stagnate.

Eh, I'm ok with it except that it sounds like it's coming from an old tape playback right next to my ear.
Maybe make it more distant/reverbed/ambient so it feels more at home with the other sound unless you wanted that to be a voice coming from inside my head.

That's pretty cool, shout some japanese into a megaphone(vst) and overlay that.

any intelligent man in

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New PC. Should I go with Reaper or FL Studio? I've made an album with FL before.

What does Reaper have that FL doesn't?

Nothing. But more people seem to use Reaper.

Are you REALLY sure about that?

Nope

I'm pretty sure FL is much more popular than Reaper.
I'm willing to bet that more people use FL Studio than there are people who know about Reaper at all.

guess not lmfao

I've had this conversation way too many times and my friends wonder why I don't fucking talk to them anymore.

I'm sure they don't laugh at your retardation behind your back.
Everyone is wrong once in a while.

Sure they do. You do it too, as well as your friends. It's natural.

I don't laugh behind your back.
I laugh in your face.

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...

if you do your stuff in midi flstudio
if you use audio clips more reaper

...

>not using the patricians daw

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actually that's what I use but that's not what he asked

Ableton is pricey. REAPER is only $60.
>inb4 pirate it and get malware

>>inb4 pirate it and get malware
Please refer to this post's image:

LMAOing at your pop up ad and keylogger filled life rn, malwarebro

>this is what retarded luddites actually believe.

Were you the guy in 2001 telling me that people who have an Internet connection would automatically get their bank account emptiet just by connecting the cable?

I pirated it and have been enjoying the top of the line daw with 0 malware and 0 dollars spent

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post where you got it from then
>not being paranoid
never gonna make it

>being paranoid
>making it

Worrying is good, but letting worries preventing you from advancing in life is the opposite of making it.

Besides, even if all Ableton warez came with a "THIS CONTAINS MALWARE" message, I'd still download it because using Ableton on an infectd computer is much better than using a useless "DAW" like Reaper on a clean computer.

See AudioZ is the most legit source there is, and R2R is the most legit warez team.

I think it was this one
pirateproxy.live/torrent/30225949/Ableton_10_Final_Crack_-_Tested_myself_Working_Seeding

cool
eh, you're right. but reaper isnt useless, it has its place as a cheap DAW based around working with live recordings. if you are a moralfag who doesnt like pirating and you have a band that just records what they play, REAPER is perfect for you.

what version of ableton live 10 is this?

>reaper
>useless
lol
>piratebay
that's exactly how to get a virus

Don't download the torrent from thepiratebay you dumbass, that's how you get infected, then come back here bitching that piracy equals malware.
Download the AudioZ version. It's the latest and cleanest.

I fucked up

Ableton live 10

Compared to Ableton, Reaper is so inferior that it's relatively useless.
Sure if I had no choice I could make music with it, but Ableton offers so much more that there's no comparison.

>implying reaper is useless
>implying it doesn't even qualify as a DAW
all-in-the-box computer-producer babby detected
everyone look at him
look at him and laugh

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Ive pirated literally hundreds of things from there and im still good. just dont be a literal braindead retard and you'll be fine

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Any of you warez bois have the hookup with any music related masterclass shit? Specifically interested is Zimmer.

My 4yo cousin laught at me too when he says something retarded and I correct him.

torrentz2.cc/search?f=hans zimmer masterclass

you can literally build your own interface with reaper, it's a pain to learn but it's by far one of the most powerful daws out there

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>you can literally build your own interface with reaper
HOLY SHIT THE INTERFACE???

Call me when it has a M4L equivalent and we can make an actual comparison.

which version. intro, standard, or suite.

suite

you do know that you can work with midi right. i think you seem to think that it is just an editor.

Of course I know.
Why would that matter?

How can I make my songs sound more like dream pop and less like worship music?

Nice, thanks.

read the addiction formula by friedemann findeisen and watch the guy's youtube channel

>can edit midi
>works with audio files
>has total VST support
yeah, sounds full featured to me man

instaud.io/3lo9

on a scale of 1-10 how gay is this?

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wow. so idubbbz memes are really still a thing. its 2019 for fucks sake.

Watching him now, it's interesting.
4/10

I didn't say it lacks basic features.
Look, it's not even a bad daw for being so cheap.
It's just that when Ableton (or even FL Studio) is available for free on AudioZ, the choice of going for Reaper doesn't really make sense unless you like Reaper's characteristics more than you like Ableton's, which is almost never the case, since Reaper's selling point is that it's good for being cheap. There's very little that Reaper has over Ableton that would make it an actual competitor if it went for the same price.

It's like comparing those cheap 100$ phones aimed at developing countries with the top of the line Samsung or Apple phones.
Sure, the budget phone can do all the basic things like browsing, calling, etc. but the other more expensive choice is significantly better in almost every way.
Nobody would choose the budget phone if they could choose between receiving that or a flagship for free.

wow. so current year memes are really still a thing. it's 2019 for fucks sake.

reaper is technically free. they dont require you to pay for it. its free like how winrar is free. they say they want you to but they never force you to and they never restrict features for not.
so, a full featured DAW, pretty much for free, and it works on GNU/Linux too. Hmmm.
Seems better than pirating Ableton to me.
idubbbz hasnt been relevant since 2015, what do you mean "current year"

the thing is reaper has always been more about mixing and mastering than producing, and in that aspect it shits all over flstudio and ableton comparing them makes sense only in relation to your needs

>what do you mean "current year"
He means that saying "its 2019 for fucks sake" is a John Oliver "current year" meme.

PUT
YOUR
MUSIC
INTO
CONTEXT

instaud.io/3los

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all of his tips are like "write a GOOD song. produce it well." HOW do I write a good song?

lazily flopping acapellas over beats is pretty noob-tier

who the fuck is John Oliver

dubs confirms this user knows who john oliver is

Nobody fucking listens to empty beats and you can't make a good beat in the first place if you don't consider the huge amount of vocal layers that go with it

who is this fucking basedboy

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Replace "cheap" with "free" and my post still stands exactly as before.
Pirating can be done safely if you download from trustworthy sources (such as the AudioZ link posted above), and the moral side of it doesn't stand either considering that taking advantage of their "let them try for free and they'll pay when they decide to support us" business model is still shitty.
Perhaps even shittier than pirating Ableton, since the CEO publicly stated that he doesn't care because piracy has its benefits.

Eh, maybe Reaper's mixing/mastering workflow is better, and if you exclusively do that, and don't like Ableton, by all means use Reaper, but for the rest of us, Ableton can do everything Reaper can and more.

>no gnu/linux port of ableton
trashed

are you retarded? there's a huge market for instrumental music first of all

second of all this "huge" consideration is a 5 minute ordeal where you put an acapella over the beat to see if there's clashing frequencies, elements that could be mixed better or phasing

pretty much one listen and you're done

>uses soiboi
>doesn't know who one of the people most hated by those who say soiboi is

>Ableton can do everything Reaper can and more.
this is not exactly true, I wish ableton had internal bridging and a stretching algorithm that wasn't ass

>Ableton can do everything Reaper can and more.
Does Ableton have music notation?

i dont care for politics or late night tv, how am i supposed to know this shit

There's no market for instrumental music and if you seriously believe that you're in delusion.

And yes, it's a 5-minute ordeal, one listen, that most people ITT never once consider and instead blindly ask "Is this good or not? idk lol"

>music notation

go back to comp and getting buttfucked gayfag

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there's bitwig

>comp
Right where it hurts. It'll make a comeback. I'll show you. you. you you you
YOU BULLY!

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it obviously isn't as big as the market for music with vocals but it's there just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it's not

and i wasn't asking about whether or not i could fit vocals on it

it's not even mixed dude

>$400 for the basic version
H O L Y S H I T
thats outrageous. i refuse to even support them by pirating them.

Psytrance is mostly instrumental. Same with techno. Both are pretty popular at events and getting even more so!

also you think royalty free "drugs in the club" southern rap over a beat much more in line with an idealism type vibe is marketable so who is really delusional?

>music production on Linux
You deserve all the suffering you bear.

>I wish ableton had internal bridging
Meh, you can use an external one and achieve the same result.

>stretching algorithm that wasn't ass
I might be misinformed, but doesn't Reaper use the same Elastique algorithms as Ableton?

Yes, through MaxForLive.
One example:
computermusicnotation.com/

>computermusicnotation.com/
Pretty cool. It's almost there
>MaxScore uses its own XML format which is not compatible with MusicXML.
>Note that some features may be missing after conversion as the object doesn’t support the full MusicXML feature set.

1 - Linux is a kernel
2 - Enjoy your software jail winbaby
3 - Im not suffering. Im enjoying REAPER..

>Meh, you can use an external one and achieve the same result.
jbrdge runs like ass and acts funky, ddmf might be better but seems like a pain since I'm making music with a friend so projects are constantly moving between different machines
>I might be misinformed, but doesn't Reaper use the same Elastique algorithms as Ableton?
I seriously doubt that, reaper was much more transparent when I tried it

is DAW more commonly pronounced as one syllable, "daw" or five syllables, "d-a-w"?

Jif - dah
Gif - d a w

Normal socially adjusted people on top

i don't think i've ever read daw as d-a-w until this post

both equally by engineers as well as musicians/producers

its pronounced der

It's not the best but it's there, which is already remarkable considering that it's a software for electronic music production.
If you want the best music notation, Ableton isn't for you.

I know what Linux is, Richard. No need for your interjections.
Meanwhile, people with a brain are dualbooting or running Windows in a VM so they can use the best music software without the huge pain that is audio on any linux distro.

>jbrdge runs like ass and acts funky, ddmf might be better but seems like a pain since I'm making music with a friend so projects are constantly moving between different machines
Meh, I'm willing to go through Jbridge's clunkiness (never had problems myself, so maybe that's just you) for those couple of plugins that don't have a 64 bit version or alternative.
Not even close to being a big deal.

>I seriously doubt that, reaper was much more transparent when I tried it
Are you sure you didn't do anything wrong?
Maybe you didn't use the wrong algo or setings.

Could I realistically write sheet music then pay people to play it, then pass it through a daw to edit, and then gluing it all together to make a song. How delusional is this?

You just described the process of composing and producing a piece of music.

Hiring session musicians is something producers have been doing forever, user.

If you can afford it, it's not a bad idea.
Lots of people do it, and I heard of pland to make a web service where people can hire an entire orchestra like on Fiverr to record whatever you want them to.

Kontakt is still much cheaper and more practical.

I know the various ableton algos very well and sometimes I use them as a sound design tool, reaper was just smoother and had less artifacts

Yes, of course.

Expect to pay good musicians $20/hour though. Unless you have friends who will do it for pizza and beer

Alright dude I believe you.
Next time I'm going to recommend a DAW it's gonna be Reaper because of that.
Thank you for the insight.

>If you want the best music notation, Ableton isn't for you.
Yes, but the way clips are organized would make it a great sketch pad. What I like to do is just improvise stuff in free time while it records midi and then if I have a good idea, I'll go back and look at the rough notation output to see what I was doing. Then I'll go from there an make proper notation in time using other software like Dorico. If only Dorico would have a sketchbook-type space... currently it won't even record past the however many blank measures you set up before recording.

>Kontakt is still much cheaper and more practical

Not necessarily. You have to work your way through samples and proper editing first. This shit takes time until it sounds good and natural. You hire a professional instrumentalist and it's the way it should be right out of the gate.

Both are valid options for any production though

Not sure if I understand your workflow, but isn't there software that can convert midi files into notation and vice versa?
This way you could export Ableton's midi clips and read them as notation.
Not the most fluid workflow, but it should work, no?

>$20/hour
Sounds like a bargain if they're actually really good.

>$20/hour
Not him but what?
That sounds very low

I seriously hope you're that douchebag who likes to impersonate other anons, that wasn't my point at all, I'm just saying that ableton can't do everything that reaper does and the opposite is also true.

Yes, but with a Kontakt patch you can go back and edit things in seconds, while with a session musician you have to book them again if you change your mind or something isn't right.

Sure, a real instrumentalist might be quicker and give you a better product, but if you don't mind working a bit longer and have a slightly less realistic result (which might not even be an issue, depending on your genre), a rompler allows for more freedom for less money.

>but isn't there software that can convert midi files into notation and vice versa?
It's more like the software reads the midi data and represents it as notation on screen and that's basically what that Max for Live plugin we're talking about does. Dorico and Reaper and Logic and others can all do this, no extra software needed. The issue is that my initial sketches aren't necessarily in time such that the quantization algorithms can clean it up enough to make it what it really is. Kind of like pic related, but even worse.

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In the professional world things like Kontakt orchestra libraries are for composers to prototype a piece before sending it off to a real orchestra with a real conductor.

Bro that's the hans summers of the world
Average trailer music and library shit from "professionals" is kontakt lol

And you didn't prove it at all.
As far as I know Reaper and Ableton use the same standard Elastique algorithms as everyone else, and even if Reaper's implementation was better, it's such a negligible qualitative difference that certainly can't be considered a thing that Reaper can do but Ableton can't.

And yeah, maybe I was being too absolutist, and should've said "Ableton can do everything that Reaper can and more, except for some minor quirks" but you get the idea.
My main point (on which the whole discussion is based) that overall Ableton is significantly superior still stands even if one of its features lacks a bit in quality.

niggers in this thread that actually think that what DAW you use matters
its what you do with it that matters
imagine actually arguing about fucking software.
lmao

Somewhat true but you can get good work from an eastern European orchestra for a reasonable price. Medium budget games and movies will do this.

Yeah for sure, if that's the kind of music you make, the difference in quality isn't acceptable and the comparison shouldn't even begin, but if you make a genre where it is acceptable, then the advantages of a library become very apealing.

A comfortable workflow is important so what DAW you use is important.

no lol

You can have a comfortable workflow regardless of the DAW. It's YOUR workflow.

Yeah if all you need is a nice string or brass sound in your trance track, a library is perfect.

Are you the guy who wants to t6oll but is afraid to ruin the thread so he waits for the bump limit to no feel bad about his shitposting?

I'm fucking tired and misread your post as "All you need is a nice string around your neck"

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Can't you quantize the midi before you convert it to notation?
Maybe even play with a metronome?

I'm sure there's some kind psychological explanation for that.

clyp.it/5ilpznsa
trying to produce with my new guitar skills what does prod think?

>negligible
you didn't even tried reaper I guess
and no, ableton is not objectively superior just because it suits your needs better

Nice to encounter a considerate troll for a change.

Keep practicing.

thats the plan

These are good questions. The notation is as instantaneous as notes showing up on a piano roll -- it's not a matter of when the quantization happens. The issue is that playing with a metronome kills my creativity. Once I've decided on what I want to do, then I can play along with a metronome and quantize; this usually works well.

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The point is that it suits so many people's needs with all that it has to offer, so in general, outside of some specific cases where another DAW might be better at doing a specific thing, it is better.
and no, ableton is not objectively inferior just because it doesn't suit your needs better

>playing with a metronome kills my creativity

hah i thought i was like musically impaired or something

glad someone else has this issue

Ah, got it, that seems like a good compromise.
Well, good luck with your search for a perfect program and/or workflow then.

>reaper shill thread

Aren't they all?

Are you both piano players? Because I'm not and I can't seem to come up with ideas if I DON'T have some sort of rhythm to "play" to and let the creativity flow

but there is no "better" daw, if all I had to do was recording myself and mix my stuff I would never use ableton because it's just strictly worse in that aspect when compared to other daws, it's really not that hard to understand

Yes; piano makes it easy to create the rhythm and the melodies and harmonies on the fly since you write everything all at once. When I'm working on guitar parts it helps to have a drum track or something else laid down.

That's exactly what I said.
Ableton is not universally good. It's generally good.
Meaning that for most cases it will be the best choice, but there are some other cases where other programs are better.

But if you had a gun at your temple and someone told you to rank all DAWs, you would be crazy to put Reaper above Ableton because for all intents and purposes, Ableton fits the label "best DAW" more than other DAWs do (especially Reaper).

If Reaper works for you, then I'm genuinely happy for you, but Ableton is objectively better.

the irony is that I actually use ableton because reaper is ass for midi
>Ableton fits the label "best DAW" more than other DAWs do
that would be cubase

Shouldn't you guys be arguing about your music and productions rather than what fucking software you use?

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Lmao ok, I'm not willing to start another flame war about Ableton vs. Cubase (which btw is much better then Reaper, overall, but I disagree that it's overall better than Ableton).

>because reaper is ass for midi
You mean production with VSTs in general or you're talking about MIDI as in piano roll and midi controllers?
Because that's the biggest area that Ableton is lacking in compared to other DAWs.

Why not both?

M-M-Maybe

new thread

as long as were arguing the life blood of this general flows freely

mostly piano roll and lack of built in midi devices or features, ableton and flstudio are much better in that aspect.
Isn't ableton supposed to be good with controllers? I only have a keyboard with a bunch of knobs and a midi mixer that I never use (both are shitty) so my experience is limited with that

>Isn't ableton supposed to be good with controllers?
Yes, but it lacks some midi features in the piano roll (many are regained through live midi effects, but that's a workflow that doesn't work for everybody) so once you record your score with the controller the things you can do to it are fewer than those you can do in other DAWs.

>ableton and flstudio
FL's piano roll is significantly superior to Ableton's.

>FL's piano roll is significantly superior to Ableton's.
I know I started with flstudio and I miss a lot of features from its piano roll

Same here.
But I have to say, the semplicity of Ableton's piano roll makes me faster at putting in notes and quickly editing stuff, instead of constantly switching tools and diving into menus in FL, so after a while I stopped going pack to FL for its piano roll, since it became annoying once I got used to Ableton's simple workflow, and if I need some more advanced feature I just use the effect and record to a new midi clip.