Post genuinely avant-garde albums

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only two of those albums can even vaguely be considered avant-garde, i'll let you figure out which yourself.

Not him but.....pop group and branca?

Correct! Exuma aswell to a lesser extent, although i'm hesitant to call even The pop group avant-garde (or even branca for that matter).

Throbbing gristle and pop group are probably the only two that could truly be considered avante garde on that list IMO. You could argue that the others went in a pretty radical direction for the time that they were released in though even if they are not truly groundbreaking

You have to realize that you're talking to a kid who thinks ripping off daniel Johnston 20 years after the fact makes you a revolutionary artist. This was more of just a list of albums I've listened to in the past two weeks that are off the beaten path compared to car seat headrest to get some discussion started

>even if they are not truly groundbreaking
>avant-garde
come on dude

Im surprised that you wouldnt consider throbbing gristle avante garde even though that that is probably their most accessible project

Branca was not that difficult for me to get into, possibly because I was a big swans and no wave fan before hand. You're right that pop group is pretty accessible if you have listened to similar artists before though. Exuma is probably my favorite album on the list but is not that complex in the context of freak folk, though it does have some very experimental production

I think we might be talking past each other, tell me what you lay in the term 'avant-garde'

Cringe

My layman definition would be highly experimental, groundbreaking, and controversial in comparison to their contemporaries.

It's a difficult debate to carry because what is considered avant garde in modern terms may not always align with the context of the time the album was released. For example, the pop group and Exuma are both more easily considered avant garde in modern terms because they still sound strange and bizarre to this day, TMR would be another good comparison.

I think throbbing gristle and can were arguably just as groundbreaking artists in their own time but are not as easily considered avant garden now because many more artists have been influenced by them in the decades since their releases.

I might just be overthinking it though lol, I'll be honest its my first time browsing mu in a couple years and I've had a bit to drink already to it's kind of hard to gather my thoughts on mobile.

>pill culture

YIKES

What was the crowd like? How was the show? Going soon

>I think throbbing gristle and can were arguably just as groundbreaking artists in their own time but are not as easily considered avant garden now because many more artists have been influenced by them in the decades since their releases.

You're right about Can, but I have to stand by Throbbing Gristle as still firmly sitting in the avant-garde. Obviously not your Hamburger Lady or Something Came Over Me, but Very Friendly or Discipline can be daunting endeavors by even today's wild standards.

hello, reddit

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Branca is pretty cool if you're into cacophony.

I'm not a neo-nazi tho. Why would I browse reddit?

Obviously you would have to take into consideration the time it was released, but then you'd also have to acknowledge their contemporaries and what they did.
You seem to contradict yourself with the throbbing gristle example, earlier you said they weren't 'truly groundbreaking' so which is it.
Also, there's a big difference between what is considered avant-garde and what is considered merely experimental.

what an absolutely embarrassing show of display

The 2019 debut album by MatPat's wife Stephanie.

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hello, reddit

care to explain how you think all these albums are entry level and copy pasted from other acts
royal trux from some obscure acts in the 70s and mr bungle rips off glen branca and the residents

What is this meme, you know reddit is left as fuck right?

I never said they were entry level, besides this heat obviously.
I don't understand the rest of your post, are you saying that royal trux are from the 70s? did you just say that one of your examples ripped off branca and the residents?

BAD ALBUM!!!!

this whole thread is a joke right?
CSH is indie rock
The Pop Group is post punk
Exuma is psych folk/calypso
Throbbing Gristle is industrial
Glenn Branca is no wave
Can is krautrock
Arca is electronic
Royal Trux is noise rock
This Heat is post punk
Mr. Bungle is experimental rock
and like fucking 20 posts in we have an actual avant garde band, The Residents
jesus christ

This is just the strokes for fags

>avant-garde is a genre
lol @ u

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wow you really know a lot of arbitrary words to describe and categorize music, impressive user!

>implying glenn branca isn't avant-garde
Must suck being that retarded

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Throbbing gristle and pop group were the two that I initially picked out of my list and the others were the ones I said were not truly groundbreaking for their time. Branca and exuma were ones you brought up in response to others so I commented on them as well in my response, It's just become difficult to keep track of the exact conversation as other people have been chiming in and neither of us have trips.

You are correct that there is a distinction between experimental and avant garde though, that's probably where I am being incorrectly pendantic and getting caught up in discussing the context of the time they were released which is more of a reflection of experimentation. I'd still stand by my two picks of the pop group and throbbing gristle as the most avant garde artists on the list with exuma as a close third though

I'm also confused by the phrasing of your comment but royal trux is another great artist to add to the list. The residents did push a lot of boundaries so they definitely deserve a mention but I never found them as appealing overall as the others I brought up

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i was just thinking of the most smug reply to why you disparaged my post
i was just saying royal trux where probably influenced by some underground new york garage band from the 70s or something idk

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If you want to be pendantic the pop group could probably be better described as art punk which rode the line of new wave and are more akin to groups like talking heads, Pere ubu, and wire than than bands commonly described as post punk like fugazi or joy division.

Exuma can be labeled as psych folk but I think freak folk or Caribbean folk would be a more accurate description.

Electronic is a pretty broud description to use for arca, if anything I think it only supports establishing him as an avant garde artist as IDM is probably the most specific label you could give him and even that seems off somewhat.

Avant garde in my opinion is not a genre but a descriptor of a type of art which is why it applies to multiple mediums like visual art or film and not just music like the other labels you used.

Before I go to bed I'm gonna throw out some others for anyone still paying attention to discuss which I think complicate the lines between avant garde and experimental:

Ulver
The mothers of invention
Xiu xiu
The shaggs
Monks - black monk time
Coil
Merzbow
Venetian snares

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I literally can't even tell if this is fake or not. Has Reddit become a gathering ground for conservative boomers trying to keep up with their alt right children's antics?

They are a couple years behind the
memes but trying so hard, if this is real it's just sad.

how many times has this screencap been posted already, /r/the_donald is just one subreddit that damn near every other sub on reddit hates. if you think this is what the average reddit post looks like you’re beyond deluded.

she's ugly

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Be nice to Steph, user.

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Show was great and totally worth it but although I saw plenty of skinny lonely white boys and hip girls. There was also much more older people There and when I say old I mean late 40s and up. There was definitely plenty of chaperones but also so many “cool” older couples.

Soft rock isn't avant garde

This album is anything but innovative

it ackchully is though

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Cringe.
You all need to listen and read more about music.