How do musicians survive from heavy drug and alcohol abuse?

I don't blame him, most metal made beyond the early 90s is all samey sounding shit that only appeals to teens with emotional issues.

Jim Florentine on the other hand, likes that shit, which is kind of cringe to imagine a 50 something year old man is jamming out to Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, and Hatebreed.

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word. metal is music for children

I agree but he should still broaden his music palette somewhat. Otherwise you become like those guys in Heavy Metal Parking Lot where they interview them 20 years later and they're still listening to the same couple of bands they did in the 9th grade (except the one dude who became a big country fan).

Nature abhors a monoculture.

Jim listens to the metal that is clearly marketed to Mojo/Uncut/Kerrang readers because the music is JUST close enough to what they grew up with but also JUST modern enough to make it seem like they’re still up to date with music. It’s kinda corny rock and not...idk cool or good? Idk how to describe it. It’s like enjoying Silverchair because you enjoyed rock in the 70’s and you’re trying to be young again idk. Does that make sense?

It makes sense in the context of Pearl Jam who sounded enough like 70s rock and also namedropped The Who and Neil Young but also just contemporary/90s that boomers thought they could listen to them and be "with it".

You could say the same thing though about the people who refuse to listen to anything that doesn't sound like Mayhem. Imagine having a record collection where every single artists sounds exactly the same with maybe a slightly tweaked gimmick, like wearing war paint instead of corpse paint, woah! . At least with 70s and 80s rock and metal, even if you're just obsessed with those eras you still have quite a bit of diversity there in terms of styles,

he'll be fine

Totally agree and I fucking forgot to mention them.

You would be surprised at how many people are like this. There's Millenials who do nothing but listen to Blink 182 and A7X on repeat.

Actual plebs

>boomers thought they could listen to them and be "with it".
This seems like a really common pitfall. Old guys who don't really get current music, but they really want to, so you get things like Dave Grohl calling Billie Eilish the new Nirvana, or like dad rockers saying GVF are "saving rock."

the fuck happened to steven tyler

>or like dad rockers saying GVF are "saving rock."
You get just as many rightfully bashing them for being Led Zeppelin rip offs though. There is wearing your influences on your sleeve, and then there is just LARPing, and I think a lot of people who've been into rock for decades can see that. But yeah, I've seen the ones you're referring to as well, and that's pretty cringe.

The things that made me cringe recently were:
* A Wovenhand concert where a group of huddled middle aged dorks were trying to impress each other with how much they new about the band, how they knew a guy who knew the singer, etc.
* A visit to a record store where this middle aged guy was wasting the 20 year old employee's time by listing off the most obscure punk records he could possibly think of
* A skinny middle aged dork who walked up to me and asked me about a ratty Siouxsie & The Banshees shirt I'd bought when I was a teenager, and was wearing that day because I had to do heavy lifting, helping a friend move. He told me I shouldn't wear it because they broke up before I was born (not true), then quizzed me on detailed knowledge about the band
* A sweaty fat old guy who looked up at me like I'd blown his mind when he saw I was listening to Slayer on my phone
* A dorky middle aged guy who tried to impressed me by telling me he was into cool, edgy stuff like the Ramones
* A sea of middle aged dorky guys at a Bob Mould concert who tried to one up how punk each other were, and they all knew and sang along to all the Bob Mould and Sugar songs, but none of them knew any of the Hüsker Dü songs except "Makes No Sense At All." That was really weird, because I didn't actually know most of Mould's solo stuff like the old guys did, but then when he did a bunch of stuff from Zen Arcade it was me and one other 20 year old who were into it, and then all the old guys looked like they had no idea what was going on.

The good thing is, as a music geek, these people show me what I never want to be.

Jesus Christ that’s more cingey than running a kpop thread for sure. I usually go to concerts and make fun of MYSELF for being a nerd, not reveling in it..

That's Joe Perry.

I find it amusing that most of the people in these scenarios are related to punk and alternative music.

A lot of those fans are truly the try hardiest of try hards who are obsessed with status and image, in metal it's usually only BM autists who are like that and only behind their keyboards on forums. As a metal fan, I've only experienced something like that once and it was really more of a just trying to see if I was genuine or not kind of thing, where my dads friend asked me "what I knew about Iron Maiden" cause I was wearing a shirt, I didn't think he was trying to be shitty to me though.

One time at an Alice In Chains show though, this old guy was like eyeballing me hardcore watching me and asked me something like "YOU AN ORIGINAL FAN, HUH?" to which I just ignored him while he kept awkwardly staring at me.

Reminds me of high school when I wore a Who shirt and some kid asked me to name five of their songs and I proceeded to just name the tracklists of their albums until he stopped me. Kinda autistic of me but he got the point.

Drugs are preservatives.

Lemme guess, he thinks you're not a real fan because you didn't see them play in a garage in Seattle in 1986 when they were Alice 'N Chainz.

theyre no worse than construction workers ive learned.

I haven't really had many experiences like that, except one time when I was 15 and I was aimlessly perusing the vinyl bin at a flea market or something and this bald middle aged dude says to me "That's from my generation." and I just nodded quickly and kept perusing the bin.

What about the guys who act like manufactured Top 40 pop is all there is of today's music and they don't remember that the Carpenters and Osmonds were what you heard on the radio in the 70s, not Led Zeppelin.

what the fuck happened to eddie trunks hair

Or worse than that, when they act like manufactured top 40 is the voice of today's kids and it's equivalent to what The Who or something were back in the day.

>so you get things like Dave Grohl calling Billie Eilish the new Nirvana
I'm sure he was paid to say that.

Maybe, then again knowing Dave I wouldn't be surprised. He's not exactly demonstrated that he's that in touch with anything going on today musically, not in the least because he doesn't listen to anything but entry level classic rock.

Retard statement. Clean opiates can be. Something like meth or booze sure as fuck isn't.

the thing is, he looks fairly normal, you just aren't used to seeing people who lived that hard in those circles/in fancy clothes so it seems really dramatic

>Billie Eilish
>the new Nirvana

She's been increasingly so laughably overrated. She has an ok voice but she's a ripoff of multiple real alternative artists, and her multi-instrumentalist/songwriter/producer brother makes her music. She's a contrived LA girl using a street, rock/rap image and artsy/"creepy" videos to promote the image of an rebellious alt artist. This girl came from a close-knit family of entertainers, she's very close to her mom who's with her in interviews/press. If you hear her speak, she's your typical LA girl with a sub-part vocabulary and trying hard to be edgy, and she complains all the time as if she didn't have it easy with a privileged, close-knit Partridge Family and having everything she needs at her fingertips. She's not punk or rock and roll or anything close to it.

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He said the same thing about Lorde. Nothing against these artists (Lorde, Eilish) but I think Dave is a little to eager to try and spot some grand movement in music. The last true movement would have been the flood of great bands in the 2000s. (The Stokes, Interpol, Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs, etc.) Where were his prophecies for those bands? They were much more deserving.

People love to say those big statements, but aside from a month or two of good press and maybe a headlining spot at a big festival, the acts can never keep it going. The lead single on album two inevitably tanks, and album two goes nowhere. From what I see, she's just another pop tart that has "eeeeedge" (yeah, right). She's just a singer, who is this year's Lorde or Halsey. Like Nirvana in 1991? Get real.

Got in a fight with a pair of scissors lol.

More importantly, how the fuck did Lemmy live so long and only had health issues for the last few months of his life?

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The weird thing is, I feel like he has his analogy completely backwards. The narrative is that hair metal had no substance, so when grunge, alternative, and thrash happened, it was the underground bringing more real music to the mainstream. In my mind, all these worthless, ridiculous trap/soundcloud people are today's hair metal, and the revolution would be yet to come. Only, I don't know that the would happen the same way it did in the early 90s, because back then there was pretty much a singular mainstream in popular music, which was whatever was being played on MTV. Now everything is so segmented to people's different interests, that I don't know how obvious a musical revolution would even be, besides hopefully wiping out all the shitty trap music off the radio.

Only posers OD.

Blows not THAT bad for you

The last 2-3 years you could notice him age quickly and start to slow down. He held up really well into at least his early 60s though.

>The weird thing is, I feel like he has his analogy completely backwards. The narrative is that hair metal had no substance, so when grunge, alternative, and thrash happened, it was the underground bringing more real music to the mainstream. In my mind,
Actually the comparison would be like if it were 1988 and you were saying that Tiffany was the future of rock and roll when she was manufactured as fuck and a product of a rich family just like Billie Eilish.

>Now everything is so segmented to people's different interests
Really. The 80s was perhaps the most segmented decade of music ever.

The difference there is, despite the reputation so called hair bands got from their foes, there are still people out there who cry foul on that narrative and will bring up the skill of musicians from the scene into an argument.

Can that even be done with soundcloud rap? Is there any artistic merit to defend at all in the face of haters? I really don't know enough about it.

All music is for children

It is true that a lot of those guys were amazing musicians, unfortunately the format obliged them to limit themselves.

Also did you know Rivers Cuomo is perfectly capabale of shredding, but he doesn't do it on albums because he says it's not the sound he's trying to go for.

>Really. The 80s was perhaps the most segmented decade of music ever.
I disagree for mainstream media. The 80s might've been when there was an explosion in different underground genres, but my point is that there was a singular outlet/mainstream media source. That's sort of why college radio stations were so vital for setting the stage for alternative rock, because they were the alternative media to MTV.

There were certainly some really talented bands. Those early groups like Twisted Sister, Hanoi Rocks, Quiet Riot, etc. were fairly strong, as were the more hard edged groups like GNR, Faster Pussycat, Mother Love Bone, and there were some people who were just technically good musicians, like Skid Row and Slaughter. But overall, I would say most of the glam metal scene was pretty lightweight, disposable hedonistic pop. I think you're right about trap, though. There are some talented artists who've toyed around with the sound, like Kendrick Lamar and The Underachievers, but the core trap artists seem pretty worthless.

I'll be completely honest and say I have no idea who Rivers Cuomo is, but fair enough.

An example of that I can think of is being surprised by the guys in Korn, both "Head" (pic related) and "Munky" can play a lot more than what Korn's music would lend you to believe, which is ironic since nu-metal got shit on for the guitar players seemingly lacking ability, but it was a stylistic choice at least in Korn's case, Slipknot's too. A lot of those guys came up on shreddy 80s metal.

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>I'll be completely honest and say I have no idea who Rivers Cuomo is, but fair enough.
This is a troll, right?

Hair metal bands didn't have face tattoos or were connected with organized criminal activities like 6ix9ine.

He's about the least convincing gangster in the history of hip hop.

The guy obviously isn't that hardass if he was so terrified of prison that he'd snitch on his own crew and get witness protection.

How does Eddie Trunk survive with that haircut?

They have the best healthcare money can buy.

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Stones are amazingly good even to this day. Perfect example of a band aging well along the members.

They've been playing the same setlist every night since the Steel Wheels tour so it's just an automatic reflex for them at this point.

I really wish they played Ruby Tuesday more desu

Trap doesn't do anything well. They look utterly retarded and they can't write lyrics like the oldskool 90s guys or rap either, they mostly just yell over a pasted ProTools beat.

>This is a troll, right?

No, I google imaged him and didn't know who he was. Now that I see his wiki article, I do know who Weezer is, but I never knew any of the band members or their names until now.

I wonder what Dave Grohl's 19 year old self would have said if you told him back then that Tiffany was the future of rock and roll.

Mick definitely aged best from all of them.

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Duh? The guy is a longtime fitness nut and his father was a gym teacher.

Too bad his voice didn't age as well.

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Lol you're right. When i think about Jagger i always forget he's clean since the 80's and is fit. I think of him as a druggie which, for most of his life, he is not.

I know it seems like you're in the right here, but you're actually the asshole. You see the world through the lens of popularity contests. It's a relic from when you were in highschool and acting tough was the most important currency of social clout. Those "cringy" middle age dudes at punk concerts literally don't give a single fuck about how they look to you. Although, they can probably all empathise with the mentality because they were once young, stupid and needlessly judgemental. It sounds like you're interested in music for all the wrong reasons, and will probably graduate to something that actually gains you the status you are hoping for--something much more vapid like finance or instagram followers. I'm truly sorry you had to be around middle age men at a fucking Bob Mould concert. Why the venue wasn't swimming with teenage pussy is absolutely beyond explanation.

Also for what it's worth, what has Lorde done since PH anyway?

Lol, just google young pics of him. If someone in rap was "exposed" like that 20 years ago they would be finished, just goes to show how things have changed. Rap isn't what it used to be as a subculture, it's just really bad and destructive pop now.

>suzie and the banshees
>bob mold
>listening to Slayer on my phone

imagine unironically being this pretentious a zoomer without even having good taste to back it up

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read bolano

Melodrama (pretty good IMHO) and associated world tour...

dude, you're a prick. relax and let people have fun. participate or fucking ignore them. your call. sounds like you have a problem with middle aged men in general. your issue, not theirs...

He and Keith Richards look like walking mummies though.

With my example with the Siouxsie t-shirt, I was most definitely not the one in the wrong.

With the other examples, I'm not claiming to be in the right, and I'm not claiming any of those people were in any way in the wrong. I'm just saying I found their behavior pathetic, and an example of how I never want to be. I'm not claiming any moral position.

How do they survive tinnitus?