Proto-Punk (Stooges, New York Dolls, MC5)
NY Punk/No Wave (Ramones, Dictators, Dead Boys, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll)
London Punk (Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs)
LA Punk (Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Crime, Dickies)
Oi (Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects)
Post-Punk (Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall)
Anarcho-Punk (Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans)
Early Hardcore (Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, Agent Orange, DOA)
UK82 (Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League)
Deathrock (Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL)
Psychobilly (Cramps, Meteors)
Crust Punk (Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd)
Straight Edge (Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7 Seconds, Have Heart, Bane)
Grindcore (Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound)
Ska Punk (Specials, Operation Ivy, Madness, Choking Victim)
Post-Hardcore (Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo)
Emocore (Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty)
Crossover Thrash (DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies)
Pop Punk (Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, PUP, Thermals, Leatherface)
Queercore/Riot Grrrl (Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch)
Garage Punk (New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards)
Metalcore (Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis)
Skramz (Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro)
Powerviolence (Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson)
Digital Hardcore (Atari Teenage Riot)
Folk Punk (Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me)
PUNK PRIMER
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This is cool. I think Violent Femmes definitely deserve a place in folk-punk though
needless conflation for some bands with pop punk and straight edge when melodic hc would be more apt
Buzzcocks is painfully absent, change London Punk to just UK Punk and add them there
>post-punk
>all british
the most interesting post-punk came from elsewhere
I love punk but people get way too uppity about it
That's actually a really good idea, and then I can include Stiff Little Fingers. I'll do that
I'm not going to adopt this because while you're definitely right that some of the bands in pop punk are better described as melodic hardcore, even if I add that section I'll still need pop punk and straight edge sections, so it just adds space. Note that a couple of the bands in LA punk are actually from the San Francisco scene, but space constraints led me to put them there out of convenience
lol indeed
Proto-Punk (Stooges, New York Dolls, MC5)
NY Punk/No Wave (Ramones, Dictators, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll)
UK Punk (Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs, Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks)
LA Punk (Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Dickies)
Oi! (Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects)
Post-Punk (Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall)
Anarcho-Punk (Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans)
Early Hardcore (Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, DOA)
UK82 (Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League)
Deathrock (Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL)
Psychobilly (Cramps, Meteors)
Crust Punk (Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd)
Straight Edge (Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7 Seconds, Have Heart, Bane)
Grindcore (Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound)
Ska Punk (Specials, Operation Ivy, Madness, Choking Victim)
Post-Hardcore (Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo)
Emocore (Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty)
Crossover Thrash (DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies)
Pop Punk (Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, PUP, Thermals, Leatherface)
Queercore/Riot Grrrl (Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch)
Garage Punk (New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards)
Metalcore (Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis)
Skramz (Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro)
Powerviolence (Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson)
Digital Hardcore (Atari Teenage Riot)
Folk Punk (Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me!)
Cowpunk
lol damn it
I'll definitely think about including cowpunk bands like The Mekons, but tbqh I might try to squeeze some of those bands into other sections, like psychobilly and post-punk
The Nuggets comp NEEDS to be in proto-punk. It was assembled by Lenny Kaye 2 years before forming the Patti Smith Group and was heard by everyone in the NYC scene
The UK in general is ignored, you should have a group for pub rock (the "proto-punk of the UK") and the first New Wave movement that punk turned into
>pub rock: Dr. Feelgood, Brinsley Schwartz, The 101ers, Eddie and the Hot Rods
>the New Wave: Elvis Costello, The Jam, Nick Lowe, Graham Parker & the Rumor
Cowpunk isn't a scene or movement, you would just be grouping any otherwise unrelated band who played music with country influences together.
I think they could be placed in a category alongside Psychobilly, considering this primer only has 2 bands in that category, also the Gun Club and X cribbed psychobilly all the time
also you should really put Oblivians in garage punk, considering they were Memphis garage punk's flagship band
>No Siouxie and the Banshees
> Oblivians
shit, you're right
I just posted an update, but I'm going to change that and add
I actually used to have Oblivians on this chart, but I must've removed them to make room for something else, which was a bad idea
Proto-Punk (Stooges, New York Dolls, MC5)
NY Punk/No Wave (Ramones, Dictators, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll)
UK Punk (Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs, Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks)
LA Punk (Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Dickies, Social Distortion)
Oi! (Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects)
Post-Punk (Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall, Mekons)
Anarcho-Punk (Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans)
Early Hardcore (Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, DOA)
UK82 (Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League)
Deathrock (Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL)
Psychobilly (Cramps, Meteors)
Crust Punk (Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd)
Straight Edge (Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7 Seconds, Have Heart, Bane)
Grindcore (Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound)
Ska Punk (Specials, Operation Ivy, Choking Victim)
Post-Hardcore (Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo, Slint)
Emocore (Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty)
Crossover Thrash (DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies)
Pop Punk (Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, Thermals, Leatherface)
Queercore/Riot Grrrl (Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch)
Garage Punk (New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards, Oblivians)
Metalcore (Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis)
Skramz (Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro)
Powerviolence (Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson)
Folk Punk (Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me!)
where would The Dead Milkmen fit here since there is no cowpunk category?
>Gun Club and X cribbed psychobilly all the time
What are you getting this from? X didn't crib from anyone, they played with country and Chuck berry influences since day one, their best buddies were the Blasters. Gun Club was a case of Jeffrey Lee Pierce's obsession and deep knowledge of Delta and Texas blues and drawing parallels between it and the druggy punk scene. Psychobilly it fine but it was a bunch of dorky pretenders virtually unknown outside of their scene in London, you are giving them way too much credit.
The issue is space restraints. You're right that they'd be a good addition, though. The Replacements are another band I might need to find a place for.
i think keeping your "primer" short has already gone out of the window already
lol my goal is to keep it limited to one post.
>Replacements
They and some of the groups you have as post-hardcore would fit in an early indie rock / college rock category
>Replacements, Husker Du, Mission of Burma, Big Dipper, Superchunk, Pixies
The Cramps predate the Gun Club, Congo played in both bands, also where did you get the idea that psychobilly was some kind of London exclusive scene, The Cramps had a following way before any of this
all the azzerad bands are where it splinters off into indie imo, but sure punk is the main influence
Thanks, OP.
I've been trying to get into punk lately but I have no idea where to start. I have listened to some of this stuff already, like some Ramones, some Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, some Fugazi, and some riot grrrl.
Do you have some recommendations for art punk? I need more stuff like Fucked Up.
Better version, I kinda screwed up there.
this is a fucking meme now?
Psychobilly essentially is a London exclusive scene centered around The Meteors and Klub Foot and then spread throughout Europe. The Cramps are not psychobilly. They were the first to use the word psychobilly but it was as a throwaway on a flyer. They were before that scene, they were better than that scene and they have always distanced themselves from it
>We weren't even describing the music when we put 'psychobilly' on our old fliers; we were just using carny terms to drum up business. It wasn't meant as a style of music
I really don't care what the Cramps say they were, this argument is used all the time
>when the artist disavows their own scene they aren't part of it
tough shit, someone getting into psychobilly would need to hear the Cramps
Someone getting into psychobilly should hear the Cramps and then stop right there.
>their own scene
Ok but this is the key word. The Cramps were CBGBs based, they were part of the NYC punk scene. Psychobilly was centered around Klub Foot in South London where the Cramps never played once and didn't even know existed until years later. How the fuck could that be their scene?
scene is a poor choice of words, admittedly
what I'm trying to account for is the fact that the Cramps played psychobilly music, this fact is inescapable. For a primer on psychobilly music, there is enough of a tangible link to psychobilly to warrant their name included on a list of influential psychobilly bands, considering they are one of the originators of the term
>"one half hillbilly and one half punk"
that's how they saw themselves.
Honestly, at this point I'm struggling to decide which is more essential: Man is the Bastard for powerviolence or Oblivians for garage punk
No, I'm editing it
For sure, my biggest recommendation would be The Ex's recent stuff. Also, if you like Fucked Up, you might like Iceage, Big Ups, and for something a little further out, maybe try Anopheli
If you are going to cover No Wave you need one of the disco rooted bands in there like Material, ESG, Lizzy Mercier Decloux, Liquid Liquid
I included Rosa Yemen, which is Descloux's band. I mostly chose the band over her just because of the name length
>Rosa Yemen
That's like one experimental EP
Proto-Punk: Stooges, New York Dolls, MC5
NY Punk/No Wave: Ramones, Dictators, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll
UK Punk: Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs, Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks
LA Punk: Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Dickies, Social Distortion, Bad Religion
Oi: Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects
Post-Punk: Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall, Mekons
Anarcho-Punk: Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans
Hardcore: Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, DOA
UK82: Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League
Deathrock: Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL
Psychobilly: Cramps, Meteors
Crust Punk: Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd
Straight Edge: Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7 Seconds, Have Heart, Bane
Grindcore: Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound
Ska Punk: Specials, Operation Ivy, Choking Victim
Post-Hardcore: Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo, Slint
Emocore: Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty
Crossover Thrash: DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies
Pop Punk: Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, Thermals, Leatherface
Queercore/Riot Grrrl: Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch
Garage Punk: New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards, Oblivians
Metalcore: Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis
Skramz: Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro
Powerviolence: Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson, Man Is the Bastard
Folk Punk: Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me!
>Folk Punk: Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me!
This should be Billy Bragg, Violent Femmes, This Bike is a Pipebomb, Against Me, Ghost Mice, Ramshackle Glory in terms of importance. Days N Daze are nobodies.
Proto-Punk: Stooges, New York Dolls, MC5
NY Punk/No Wave: Ramones, Dictators, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll, Cramps
UK Punk: Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs, Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks
LA Punk: Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Dickies, Social Distortion, Bad Religion, Redd Kross
Oi!: Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects
Post-Punk: Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall, Mekons
Anarcho-Punk: Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans
Hardcore: Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, DOA
UK82: Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League
Deathrock: Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL
Crust Punk: Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd
Straight Edge: Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7 Seconds, Have Heart, Bane
Grindcore: Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound
Ska Punk: Specials, Operation Ivy, Choking Victim
Post-Hardcore: Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo, Slint
Emocore: Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty
Crossover Thrash: DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies
Pop Punk: Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, Thermals, Leatherface, Dead Milkmen
Queercore/Riot Grrrl: Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch
Garage Punk: New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards, Oblivians
Metalcore: Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis
Skramz: Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro
Powerviolence: Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson, Man Is the Bastard
Folk Punk: Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me!
Where the everliving FUCK is
Green day
Blink 182
Sum 41
afi
Alkaline trio
Pennywise
The offspring
Violent Femmesand Ghost Mice are a good recs. Completely disagree on Days N Daze, though. Their prominence is a recent thing, but they're pretty key to that scene right now.
You're right, I probably have to include Green Day.
Proto-Punk: Stooges, NY Dolls, MC5
NY Punk/No Wave: Ramones, Dictators, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll, Cramps
UK Punk: Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs, Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks
LA Punk: Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Dickies, Social Distortion, Bad Religion
Oi: Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects
Post-Punk: Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall, Mekons
Anarcho-Punk: Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans
Hardcore: Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, DOA
UK82: Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League
Deathrock: Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL
Crust Punk: Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd
Straight Edge: Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7 Seconds, Have Heart, Bane
Grindcore: Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound
Ska Punk: Specials, Operation Ivy, Choking Victim
Post-Hardcore: Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo, Slint
Emocore: Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty
Crossover Thrash: DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies
Pop Punk: Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, Thermals, Leatherface, Dead Milkmen
Queercore/Riot Grrrl: Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch
Garage Punk: New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards, Oblivians
Metalcore: Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis
Skramz: Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro
Powerviolence: Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson, Man Is the Bastard
Folk Punk: Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me, Violent Femmes
Gilman Street: Operation Ivy, Fifteen, Blatz, Green Day, Rancid,
Still kind of on the fence on if I need to include Green Day tbqh
I included Op Ivy in ska punk, and I'm leaning against including Rancid because having them and Op Ivy seems a little redundant, but maybe that's flawed logic
I'm being stupid about pop punk, I'mma edit it and be less discriminatory against the cleaner bands
Proto-Punk: Stooges, NY Dolls, MC5
NY Punk/No Wave: Ramones, Dictators, Richard Hell, Patti Smith, Television, DNA, Rosa Yemen, James Chance, Suicide, Jim Carroll, Cramps
UK Punk: Clash, Jam, Sex Pistols, Damned, Adverts, X-Ray Spex, UK Subs, Stiff Little Fingers, Buzzcocks
LA Punk: Germs, X, Fear, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Weirdos, Dils, Dead Kennedys, Gun Club, Dickies, Social Distortion, Bad Religion
Oi: Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects
Post-Punk: Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pop Group, Chameleons, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, PiL, Wire, Slits, Fall, Mekons
Anarcho-Punk: Crass, Rudimentary Peni, Flux of Pink Indians, Ex, Conflict, Zounds, Subhumans
Hardcore: Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dicks, Poison Idea, MDC, Misfits, Wipers, Adolescents, DOA
UK82: Chaos UK, Exploited, Abrasive Wheels, Adicts, GBH, Anti-Nowhere League
Deathrock: Christian Death, 45 Grave, TSOL
Crust Punk: Discharge, Amebix, His Hero is Gone, Fall of Efrafa, Deviated Instinct, Nausea, Martyrdöd
Straight Edge: Youth of Today, Gorilla Biscuits, Judge, 7Seconds, Have Heart, Bane
Grindcore: Napalm Death, Carcass, Nasum, Rotten Sound
Ska Punk: Specials, Operation Ivy, Choking Victim
Post-Hardcore: Minutemen, Fugazi, Quicksand, Refused, Hüsker Dü, At the Drive-In, Jawbox, Touché Amoré, Drive Like Jehu, NoMeansNo, Slint
Emocore: Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, Heroin, Moss Icon, Hot Water Music, Dag Nasty
Crossover Thrash: DRI, Corrosion of Conformity, Cro-Mags, Madball, Suicidal Tendencies
Pop Punk: Descendents, Jawbreaker, Samiam, NOFX, Screeching Weasel, Thermals, Leatherface, Pennywise
Queercore/Riot Grrrl: Pansy Division, Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill, Team Dresch
Garage Punk: New Bomb Turks, Gories, Pussy Galore, Reatards, Oblivians
Metalcore: Hatebreed, Converge, Earth Crisis
Skramz: Portraits of Past, Gospel, Orchid, Pg.99, Saetia, Daïtro
Powerviolence: Despise You, SPAZZ, Charles Bronson, Man Is the Bastard
Folk Punk: Days N Daze, Billy Bragg, Ramshackle Glory, Against Me, Violent Femmes
Just a few skramz bands i like: Loma Prieta, The Saddest Landscape, Raein, Sugartown Cabaret
Raein is a serious contender for inclusion, and so are Ampere and Funeral Diner. Loma Prieta is great, but I lean against including them just because it seems like they might be a little too fringe. I hate to say it, but I don't actually know the other two.
>madness in the same category as choking victim
lol Madness were critically important for ska punk. But I hesitantly removed them, because they might be a little too far in the new wavey pop direction for this, though they're a great band.
Wipers should prolly be garage and not hc
Misfits prolly pop-punk
I agree with your consideration of Ampere and Funeral Diner.
Sugartown Cabaret is a french band. France have an awesome skramz scene. A few recs: Birds In Row, Sed Non Satiata, Amanda Woodward and many more
You're probably right on Wipers. They're super awkward for categorization. They obviously weren't really a hardcore band, but they were connected to that scene, at least through Poison Idea. Their sound is more garage, but I'm really hesitant to include them there because they were so far removed socially from the garage punk scene.
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Can anyone explain why post punk is blowing tf up in Russia/East Europe rn?
Not sure. I'm wondering if international attention to the Pussy Riot scandal has anything to do with it. Also, the neocrust scene has been moving slowly eastward - literally, it went from the US, to Spain, to the UK, Scandinavia, and Germany, and now to Russia, so part of it might just be that scene's migration.
Why don't you give up and let it go to 2 posts instead of cutting important bands because their names are too long and ignoring valuable contributions from anons?
I'm not ignoring any contributions, I'm just trying to make the call on which to include. If I included every important band, it would go way past 2 posts, 2 posts is just as arbitrary as 1.
What category do 21st Century punk bands like FIDLAR, The Gaslight Anthem, IDLES, The Chats and Slaves fall under?
>folk punk
Isn't all punk really post rock suburban folk music?
Do early 2000s Garage bands like The Strokes, The Libertines, Arctic Monkeys, The Hives, etc. count as punk, as all their styles are quite clearly the same formula as 70s punk?
basedcore
FIDLAR is garage punk
The Gaslight Anthem is really tough, They're not a pop punk band, but they were loosely connected to that scene. They're also connected to post-hardcore like Hot Water Music, but they're way too smooth for that.
never call the fall a post punk group, my man.
Gaslight have quite an Indie Rock feel to them, but there's such a clear punk influence in their music, and you can also hear some folk and blues influence in some of their songs too. I could simply say they're just a plain and simple "rock band", but they're not really buttrock enough like other bands that fall into that category.
>Crossover Thrash
Concrete Sox (UK), Legion Of Parasites (UK), Rose Rose (Japan), Metal Duck (UK), Beyond Possession (US), Spazztic Blurr (US), The Krixhjälters (Sweden), Sacred Denial (US)
>Japanese Hardcore
Fuck On The Beach, Death Side, Ghöul, Guillotine Terror, The Clay, L.S.D., Romantic Gorilla, Paintbox, Die You Bastard!, Hakuchi, Lip Cream, Rose Rose, G.I.S.M., Slight Slappers, Warhead
>Other Hardcore
16 Blåsare Utan Hjärna (Sweden), Rupture (Australia), Cold World (Austria), Cornered (US), G-Anx (Sweden), Missbrukarna (Sweden), Godstomper (US), Harsh (Finland), Jerry's Kids (US), Koszmar (Canada), No Security (Sweden), Luzifers Mob (Germany), Netjajev Society System (Sweden), Pissed Happy Children (US), Doctor And The Crippens (UK), The Neighbors (US), Chronic Disease (Belgium), Rattus (Finland)
>Grindcore
Unholy Grave (Japan), Warsore (Australia), Dahmer (Canada), Lt. Dan (US), Misanthrophic Noise (US), Ulcerrhoea (Sweden), Clotted Symmetric Sexual Organ (Japan), Captain Three Leg (US), Psychoneurosis (Poland), Raw Noise Apes (Greece), Hypo-Christians (US), Parlamentarisk Sodomi (Norway), Psudoku (Norway), Noiseslaughter (Germany), Nyctophobic (Germany), Senseless Apocalypse (Japan), Violent Headache (Spain), Din-Addict (Hungary)
I regret nothing. Fuck peace punk emo hippies and political correctness.
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I actually would say punk very much follows folk values, in terms of valuing authenticity, emotiveness, melody, and de-emphasizing virtuosity (generally).
A lot of punk does have a suburban emphasis, but I actually think when it started it was more urban. The New York scene was extremely urban, as were the LA and London scenes. I'd say the suburban influence really came in with hardcore. I think Iggy Pop described what the Stooges were doing as blues music for suburban white teenagers, or something like that. It's smaller, but I can also think of some more rural punk bands, specifically the southern sludge scene of bands like Eyehategod. Seems like some of the crust bands tend toward somewhat isolated locations as well.
I'll admit, I don't know a lot of these, though GISM is great, so thanks for the recs.
That said, a lot of the political grindcore bands were very much "peace punk hippies."
I feel like the Meat Puppets should be there somewhere
Yes maybe, but these bands don't preach and they are not p.c in any way, so not your typical peace punk hippie.