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I had to go with a comedy recordings, so I thought he was fine. Nothing to do with supporting pedos, otherwise I would need to remove Led Zeppelin too.

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Well I mean I would have gone with Lenny Bruce

It could have been either way, I didn't put much thought into that category, I just went with Woody Allen since it seemed like a good choice.

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get a load of this fucking desperate attention whore

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>disables trip for the op and turns it on later to make it look like he didn't make the thread
I did make this thread. For you to think I did it for the reason you mention makes you a retard since it was obvious to everybody.

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>which genre would you use to describe the soundtrack other than video game/bit music/electronic?
Good question, really dunno.

>avant-math god shilling his shitty chart without his trip again
your chart is pointless and will be forgotten within the year

>I SAID!!!11

Alright then, I was just curious.
Do you know what to use for 8-bit/chiptune? I'm going with this pseudo-remix album by Haruomi Hosono that samples exclusively chiptune videogame music from 1980 to 1984, but I'm thinking there must be something better.

Hey, at least its an improvement over the previous Yea Forumscore chart.

>Hey, at least its an improvement over the previous Yea Forumscore chart.
Not really

Yes, really. The Yea Forumscore chart is atrocious.

>Hey, at least its an improvement over the previous Yea Forumscore chart.
not really, your chart is full of a bunch of shit nobody cares or talks about ever and whenever anyone criticizes your picks you go into full autist mode and act like what's on the chart are verifiably important records, even with shit that holds relevance to almost nobody outside of autistic rym avant-teen circles

do you really believe that DJ shadow EP is more important than endtroducing

I listened to Woody Guthrie - Dust Bowl Ballads (1940) and it was alright. It sounds like it came from the 50's so it's pretty ahead of the curve, but it's still very simplistic instrumentally, even for contemporary folk. It's pretty good lyrically. 6/10.

Anyone else plan on actually listening to what they rolled?

>your chart is full of a bunch of shit nobody cares
Such as?

>do you really believe that DJ shadow EP is more important than endtroducing
It came earlier (see: criteria for chart inclusion) and Endtroducing even includes entire songs from that EP, so yeah. Have you even listened to his EP? It's just as good as Endtroducing.

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>Such as?
koan sound, "post-nightcore", fucking Viper, honeywell (there are way more important socal emo bands you could've picked), there are plenty of others
>It came earlier (see: criteria for chart inclusion) and Endtroducing even includes entire songs from that EP, so yeah.
this doesn't magically make it more important than endtroducing. how many people do you think were affected by this EP as opposed to endtroducing? likely very few
>(see: criteria for chart inclusion)
ok but i disagree fundamentally with the idea that these records are "essential recordings of music" when almost nobody has written about them or talked about them, or like in the case of the DJ shadow EP where your pick is totally overshadowed by something else in the artist's discography that affected many more musicians

i would have less of a problem with your chart if you didn't autistically act like everything on there is some grandiose important step in music that totally changed the medium instead of just recognizing its shit you like

terrible chart

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What a surprise, the people shitting on the chart without giving constructive criticism are the ones who are completely ignorant on the genres from the chart.

>koan sound
They are the most well-known neurohop artist, and their last album was a big success.

>"post-nightcore"
Not a big genre by itself, but its a thing regardless.

>fucking Viper
He's pretty well-known.

>honeywell (there are way more important socal emo bands you could've picked)
I went with Honeywell because they are one of the first screamo bands, and are well known among the genre anyways.

>there are plenty of others
I don't think I need to hear about them, since none of your examples consisted of "a bunch of shit nobody cares".

>this doesn't magically make it more important than endtroducing. how many people do you think were affected by this EP as opposed to endtroducing? likely very few
How exactly are you measuring influence here? Because Soul came two years earlier, and by the time instrumental hip hop was becoming much more popular.

>ok but i disagree fundamentally with the idea that these records are "essential recordings of music" when almost nobody has written about
them or talked about them
>when almost nobody has written about
them or talked about them
That's because you are an ignorant moron, not because they are actually not well-known. All the stuff on the chart is well-known to people invested into their respective genres. Again, your ignorance is not an argument.

>instead of just recognizing its shit you like
It's quite literally NOT that. That's why I wrote down the criteria in the fucking description. I didn't choose Soul because I liked it more than Endtroducing, I chose Soul because it fits the criteria better. Fucking moron. Read the description again. This is not about favorites, otherwise I would have Cardiacs in the chart, since they are my favorite artist of all time by far.

Got any suggestions?

Yea, make it better

stop posting it desu you're not cool or anything and it really is sub-par
if people like it, it wont die (but people don't, and it will, such is life)
also cut your dick off already

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Sure. Anything specific you would change?

>Do you know what to use for 8-bit/chiptune?
I thought about Ron Hubbard stuff but there was no albums from him so Mega Man is good pick. Maybe Outrun soundtrack would fit in more but it was released as soundtrack album only in 2016.

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>Ron Hubbard
I mean Rob Hubbard of course

It's not subpar, it just doesn't deal with showcasing the most popular album from each genre like a lot of you guys want it to. If only you would read the description instead...

Mega Man was too late for chiptune, so that's why I want to replace it. And release date doesn't matter, only original time of composition/recording does.

change the title to "Music-I-like-core essentials"

No, how about you simplify shit you pretentious cunt

>Music-I-like-core essentials
That's literally not what it is. Nothing on there was chosen because I personally liked, and instead was chosen based on more objective criteria.

Huh?

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Ok then Outrun soundrack is good replacement but 1986 is still too late I think.

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Or maybe Space Harrier, its from 1985.

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then change the name to "I'm shilling myself core essentials"

>They are the most well-known neurohop artist, and their last album was a big success.
>neurohop
nobody talks about Neurohop mate
>>"post-nightcore"
>Not a big genre by itself, but its a thing regardless
certainly not enough of a thing to be listed out on "essential recordings"
>He's pretty well-known.
do you think anyone genuinely derives anything from viper's music?
>I went with Honeywell because they are one of the first screamo bands, and are well known among the genre anyways.
i talk to people who were actually around in the california emo scene all the time because i run a label (that's something you don't do, you aren't used to ever giving back to the artists that give you music you love because you're stuck in a pretentious echo chamber of virgins wasting away in front of the computer) and the bands that they usually name from the whole socal thing are most often Indian Summer, Portraits of Past and Mohinder, or some of the stuff on Gravity Records like Heroin or Evergreen. any of these are way more important than honeywell
>How exactly are you measuring influence here? Because Soul came two years earlier, and by the time instrumental hip hop was becoming much more popular.
i suppose there's no "objective" way to gauge this, but how many times do you see people mention that EP instead of endtroducing? there is far less discussion, because endtroducing just affected way more people... it's the same thing with Isn't Anything over Loveless, like Loveless was a significantly more important record. what you're doing is like putting Tweez on over Spiderland and acting like it's a more significant record, even though spiderland was a much more impactful and influential record
>That's because you are an ignorant moron, not because they are actually not well-known.
more like because your epic rym friends tell you the records are important, not like you actually try to talk to artists ever

I found a perfect compilation:
rateyourmusic.com/release/album/various_artists_f2/sega_game_music_vol_1/

>I'm shilling myself core essentials
Again, that's not what it is. Albums were decided on the basis of influence. How much I like them was never a deciding factor.

This actually sounds like fun.

forget it user, you are obviously in the right but trying to reason with him is like trying to have a conversation with a concrete wall

I'm still amazed he's convinced his chart is a "historical overview of music" while having fucking Viper in there

he's created essentially the equivalent of a mary sue, where you cant really win against him because hes convinced "post-nightcore" or "neurohop" are relevant to anyone because its on rym

you keep repeating this but it's bullshit. The chart is missing a ton of albums that are way more influential than the ones you have in there.

>nobody talks about Neurohop mate
Not much on Yea Forums, but they do elsewhere more, so it stays. We have still had threads dedicated to neurohop and neurohop artists anyways.

>certainly not enough of a thing to be listed out on "essential recordings"
It's under the plunderphonics category, so its either that or a second plunderphonics album.

>do you think anyone genuinely derives anything from viper's music?
Considering the fact that cloud rap only started becoming a thing shortly after Cowards, and two years after Hoodlum? Yeah.

>any of these are way more important than honeywell
Honeywell were among the first that influenced the earliest screamo artists, so that's why they are there. Thanks for all the unnecessary info by the way.

>but how many times do you see people mention that EP instead of endtroducing?
Not as many, but that's because endtroducing is more popular (especially on Yea Forums), just not necessarily more influential. Again, Soul came two years after, right when instrumental hip hop was becomming bigger. I couldn't go with Endtroducing becaues at the time instrumental hip hop was already too big. Either instrumental hip hop artists were taking from Soul or from another artist that should replaced Shadow.

>it's the same thing with Isn't Anything over Loveless, like Loveless was a significantly more important record
There are A LOT of shoegaze recordings that predate Loveless, so I had to go for something earlier, and Isn't Anything was a good choice.

>what you're doing is like putting Tweez on over Spiderland
That would be wrong because this is based on genre, not artist discographies.

>even though spiderland was a much more impactful and influential record
Sure, to post-rock, which Tweez wasn't, so its a meaningless analogy.

>more like because your epic rym friends tell you the records are important, not like you actually try to talk to artists ever
They had nothing to do with the chart.

>Thanks for all the unnecessary info by the way.
you mean references to people that actually know what they're talking about (because they were around in that scene at that time)

Yeah, because your shitty emo label is SO relevant to the screamo music of almost three decades ago.

Viper is relevant to cloud rap, yes, get your head out of your ass. That user is talking out of his ass, as I already showed with evidence.

Post-nightcore is not even a genre on RYM, and KOAN Sound are pretty popular overall, before RYM even had neurohop as a genre. You are talking out of your ass.

>Isn't Anything was a good choice
You Made Me Realise is still better.

>The fucking tranny still forcing his shit chart
lmao

>shit ass ass ass
Why are you so angry :(
What do you think about that Sega compilation as chiptune pick?

Yeah, you are probably right. I went with Isn't Anything because it was an album, but I might replace it with YMMR.

>cloud rap only started becoming a thing shortly after Cowards, and two years after Hoodlum? Yeah.

So let me get something clear here: only because an artist was the first to contribute to the sound of a genre, that does not make it "essential" or essentially influential.

It is well known in the cloud rap genre that it was Clams Casino who pioneered the sound. His music has stayed relevant in the genre throughout the years while Vipers' has definitely not. Putting that as a representative of Cloud Rap is like putting Helter Skelter as a representative song for Heavy Metal.

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>as I already showed with evidence.
you don't even know what evidence means

look don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort you put but let's be clear, if somebody needs to get the head out of their ass it is you. I'm seeing the same arguments being made against some of your choices over and over by different anons, and you keep dismissing them even though they are perfectly valid.

Sorry, I missed that post. I like that one, but doesn't seem to be very relevant. I'm only going for the album I told you because it was the closest to a 1980-1984 chiptune compilation (it even has pac man).

Agreed on your first paragraph, so we are cool there.
I'm well aware of Clams Casino, and if it wasn't Viper it would have been something produced by him, don't get me wrong.
The thing is both are cloud rap, and Casino wasn't making any cloud rap before Cowards. In fact, his stuff from 2008 is NOTHING cloud rap, but then Cowards gets released and his style changes drastically. He most have been influenced by Viper. Now, I could be wrong, but it's still a big coincidence.
Regarding Helter Skelter: first, it's not an album; second, it's not metal.

>Yeah, because your shitty emo label is SO relevant to the screamo music of almost three decades ago.
i mean the people who i talk to for the label usually are connected to those scenes if not a part of those scenes as i focus on reissuing that stuff buddy
i tell you what, why dont you try getting a job and going outside instead of sitting in front of the computer reposting your chart and updating your rateyourmusic.com profile all day, and use the money to do something meaningful with your life. get out of your parents' house... maybe stop talking to mentally ill pedophiles on discord
maybe you should try actually contributing to music at all, like supporting a local scene or writing about the music you love that doesn't get any coverage, or just trying to get in contact with people that have made records that affected your life to thank them for making that art. your outlook on music isn't healthy, it's just constant consummation without consideration of who made the records or who they were influenced by, because the way you find and experience music is shaped entirely by soulseek deep dives and last fm tags, never really interacting with the people who paved the way for you to be able to engage with that art
your choice... continue wasting away the time you could be making music or supporting musicians, or maybe do something that matters to someone

Okay.

Alright, let's discuss this in good faith with civil arguments then. Trust me, I want the chart to be as good as possible, and to do this I need help from all kind of people. Maybe Yea Forums wasn't the best place to ask for this, but whatever.
I know some arguments get repeated by anons, but almost all of them are reduced to them not reading the description. Avalanches are a controversial case but they couldn't be under plunderphonics anyways.
Trust me, I'm very open to suggestions, but some arguments are better than others, and I have to settle with something.

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>Agreed on your first paragraph, so we are cool there.
You don't seem to understand me.

I don't care if Clams Casino was influenced by Viper, he most likely wasn't, but let's say he was. Even then, that wouldn't make Viper more essential than Clams, because Viper's sound wasn't as influential or relevant as Clams'.

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Ehh I think this album as a chiptune rep is like Destroy All Monsters as noise rock rep but nevermind do what you know

>Maybe Yea Forums wasn't the best place to ask for this, but whatever.
As if you didn't get your daily erection from constantly posting here

The Avalanches are not primarily instrumental hip hop. They never identified as so.

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>The Avalanches are not primarily instrumental hip hop. They never identified as so.
Will respond to the rest later, but the entire Avalanches discography excluding their last album is hip hop and instrumental hip hop, so you are quite literally wrong.

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Are the folk sections on this just the rym charts collected in an image or did you go looking through ethnomusicology publications or something?

WHY NOT USE THIS OR DISCOGS.COM WITH RANDOM.ORG LIKE A REAL MAN

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While I'm here, I got:
>361: Bachata Roja
I like this. At times it sounds like latin tinged Doo Wop with simple, sweet melodies and a steady rhythm. Other times it goes really hard on the syncopated latin rhythms which feel closer to a lot of the folky roots this music clearly comes out of. This style definitely shines most on these more uptempo tracks.
The guitar work, whether it's accompanying singers or soloing is is the overwhelming the highlight on just about every track though. The picking particular in particular are fantastic. Lush harmonies arpeggiated via knotty rhythms that skip and shimmer over the crooning singers and syncopated percussion.

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Fuck it, why not

I've listened to this album before and it brought me genuine physical pain, rerolling

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>The chart is missing a ton of albums that are way more influential than the ones you have in there.
Yes, and I never denied this. Again, this isn't a list of THE most influential album of each genre, but the earliest influential album of each genre. Read. The. Description.

>i mean the people who i talk to for the label usually are connected to those scenes
They are not connected to the early 90s screamo scene, so it's irrelevant.

>why dont you try getting a job
Because I study at uni and I don't need more money.

>going outside
I do that regularly with friends. Always have.

>instead of sitting in front of the computer reposting your chart and updating your rateyourmusic.com profile all day
I don't update my RYM profile very often, quite the opposite, actually.

>and use the money to do something meaningful with your life
The chart is meaningful to me since I believe it can make a small change in music listening trends. I know it has made a difference for a few users, at least, and that means I accomplished my mission. The making of the chart itself was a very rewarding experience too.

>maybe you should try actually contributing to music at all
That's what I did with the chart.

>your outlook on music isn't healthy
I'm a happy person, therefore my life choices must have been healthy.

>continue wasting away the time you could be making music or supporting musicians
I would rather use my money for other stuff, and I used to play music (even made a few shitty songs back then), but I did not find the experience to be rewarding. Maybe it works for you, that's fine, but it didn't work for me, that's why I stopped playing instruments.

>They are not connected to the early 90s screamo scene, so it's irrelevant.
are you blind or retarded? i talk to people who were around to see honeywell and probably played shows with them

So, let's suppose in 2017 there appeared an artist who influenced more artists than Clams Casino has, would you say we should go for that one artist instead?

I mean, it's certainly representative of a specific era of chiptune, but its missing the very early chiptune stuff like pac man and similar.
Destroy All Monsters is actually a pretty unorthodox noise rock album by the way, and a bit late for the purposes of the chart anyways.
I appreciate your comments a lot by the way.

I browsed the RYM charts, but I didn't choose the most popular necessarily. I browsed around and chose the album that would have been most representative (in terms of coverage, for example). Couldn't use publications because they don't cover entire regions like the one I used in the chart.
Any thoughts on the choices by the way?

Good alternative. I wish Discogs would have a "sort by random" option though, that would have been perfect. I mean, I think its possible to do that with their API, but can't be bothered to learn that now.

>Other times it goes really hard on the syncopated latin rhythms which feel closer to a lot of the folky roots this music clearly comes out of.
That's a good sign. Would you happen to know which style that resembles? I still have to listen to that one, but your description makes me want to listen to it now. I have already listened to some bachata before at least though.

>i talk to people who were around to see honeywell and probably played shows with them
So this confirms Honeywell were an early representative screamo band.
But whatever. What would you go with instead for an early screamo recording? I recall Heroin being a candidate, but decided against it because there were no proper recordings from the era by them.

Correction: Destroy All Monsters wasn't late, they were actually too early. The thing is noise rock became a genre around with post-punk, but that recording is not post
-punk, so they arrived at the noise rock sound by chance. Weird case, I guess.

>So this confirms Honeywell were an early representative screamo band.
i never denied this? what im saying is there are early screamo/emo bands that are far more singificant, namely indian summer or portraits of past, or mohinder. as far as a specific record is concerned, probably o nation, you bleed from many wounds by mohinder. heroin's compilation would also be a great candidate. you're overlooking the indian summer discography compilation though (science 1994) which although it came out way after they broke up catalogues every song released by probably the single most important emo band ever

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Alright, thanks a lot for this post, that's very informative.

>indian summer - science 1994
Apparently that's not screamo, or at least RYM doesn't think it is, since over 90% of users on there disagree about it being screamo, so I'm afraid I can't put them in the screamo category.

>Heroin Compilation
This seems like a great candidate, and I will take your word that they were more important than Honeywell, so expect to see the change in the next update of the chart.

Discussing the rest I guess is redundant when I'm guessing those two I mentioned already are the biggest names in the early history of screamo (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm happy we could reach an agreement.
If you have any other suggestions I would be curious to hear them.

Hey, I'm doing something to try and improve Yea Forums.

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>Any thoughts on the choices by the way?
In the folk section? I've no idea, I'm a bit of a dilettante with trad music.
Took a brief look at the jazz and classical picks cause that's what I mostly listen to. There's some nice selections in there, a good mix of somewhat obscure but high quality works and classics. I'm a little confused as to why some works like Beethoven's Triple Concerto or Paavo's s/t got on there but I personally really enjoy them and am all for more people listening to them so I don't disapprove.
>Would you happen to know which style that resembles?
Soz, waaaay outside my wheelhouse as I say. It's neat tho! Wikipedia says the style in general comes out of:
> the pan-Latin American style called bolero with more African elements coming from Son
Whatever that means. I presume Bolero is the style Ravel based his famous piece of the same name but I can't hear many similarities there. Needs more ostinati.
To my ears there's for sure some pop influence in there too at times which would make sense seeing as it's a style originating in the 20th century (also according to wikipedia).
>I still have to listen to that one, but your description makes me want to listen to it now. I have already listened to some bachata before at least though.
Yeah for sure, I'd recommend it in any case! The guitar playing actually reminds me a little of Franco, but that could just be my western ears having very few reference points and hearing all African tinged guitar playing as stylistically similar. Like, my knowledge of Rumba ends at Franco and my knowledge of "Son" is non-existent.

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>I'm a little confused as to why some works like Beethoven's Triple Concerto
A lot of classical picks can be pretty weak, as I don't know much about the genre, so the Triple Concerto can be replaced. Really, tell me anything you think I could replace from the chart and I will consider it. Also, the Romantic section was a pretty though one for decide, I had to leave a lot of romantic composers behind, so that one might need an extra revision.

>Paavo's s/t
I wanted to go with more recent avant-garde jazz, so Paavo seemed like a good choice. Could be replaced though.

Regarding those influences, Son (Cubano) was apparently a super influential genre. A lot of popular latin american music genres have their origin in Son Cubano, including Salsa (a bit of a controversial statement, but probably because of political reasons).

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This is like HerbieAnon 2.0. He spends like weeks making charts and people forget them 2 months after he stops shilling them.

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My unprofessional opinion:
>Bach's Mass in B appears twice
It's a great piece and exploring multiple interpretations is important, but maybe keep the Gardiner recording and replace the other. There's dozens of worthwhile Bach pieces you could easily make a case for but my recommendation is Art of the Fugue. It's well respected but also kind of a strange work in Bach's cannon. If you're being a good Bach scholar trying not to piss off baroque stans, Davitt Moroney has a nice harpsichord recording that'll sate the conservatives. If you wanna be controversial though, pick related is the best recording of Bach ever made.
>Mozart picks
I'd throw in his 40th or 41st symphony, maybe instead of the Serenade. Eine Kleine Nachtmusik is adorable and will get you more pussy at parties, but those late symphonies are better respected and I like them better.
>Triple Concerto
This is a really neat piece and super underrated, but the 9th symphony would be the obvious choice here. Again though, I nearly feel bad suggesting it. More people listening to the Triple Concerto is a way more pressing cause than more people listening to Ode to Joy. You've also got the 5th on here, but the two are pretty drastically different works that are considered landmarks for pretty different reasons, so nobody would blink at both them being on here.
The degenerate in me also wants to recommend the 13th and 14th quartets which were the most strikingly anachronistic, original and forward thinking pieces of music since Gesualdo.
>A lot of popular latin american music genres have their origin in Son Cubano
Apparently so do some African genes! Wikipedia says Congolese Rumba
came out of Son (Cubano) too. The Congolese heard it over radio broadcasts in the early 20th century and really liked it apparently. Which is news to me, I assumed it had come out of African traditions but I suppose it makes sense that a guitar based folk tradition should trace it's back to blues or latin music.

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>Debussy Preludes
Again, the more conventional choices would be Prelude a L'Apres Midi d'un Faune or Suite Bergamasque (again, Clair de Lune will have you slaying mad puss on the reg) but the Preludes are great and deserve more attention than they get!
>the modern classical section
This section makes me a little sad. I actually recently made a chart dedicated to classical music from the latter half of the last century and this one so I'm maybe a little more invested in this than the average person. You hit a lot of the big names but missed a lot of others and beyond expanding the section, substituting isn't really the best idea unless you want to add in composers like Jochum, Part or Glass who're more popular in the general public.
>Morton Feldman
Rothko Chapel is a better known work by him and another personal favourite.
Minimalism and some early electronic being put in the experimental section also makes me sad but I understand why they're there there. The likes of Riley, Stockhausen and Reich are thought of as classical composers but they were tangential to popular movements.

>Bach's Mass in B appears twice
Oh, that's actually a typo. The last album is actually Art of Fugue lol Performed by Musica Antiqua Köln, but the album art is just there for reference.

>the 9th symphony would be the obvious choice here
I decided against it because Freischutz by Weber is a romantic piece that predates his 9th Symphony, so it would be weird to include a romantic composition by Beethoven that's not the first from the style. I was told the 6th would be a better romantic symphony choice? What do you think?

>The degenerate in me also wants to recommend the 13th and 14th quartets which were the most strikingly anachronistic, original and forward thinking pieces of music since Gesualdo.
Apparently, but wouldn't those fall under romantic? Because I'm afraid there isn't enough space under there for those. I mean, I could still include if that's the case, I just don't know who to remove to add them.

>I'd throw in his 40th or 41st symphony, maybe instead of the Serenade. Eine Kleine Nachtmusik is adorable and will get you more pussy at parties, but those late symphonies are better respected and I like them better.
I was thinking Nachtmusik could be relevant as a precursor of light music, which would make it pretty different from other compositions of the time. Should I still replace that one with his 40 and 41 symphony? Keep in mind the ideal here would be to showcase as much diversity as possible.

>Wikipedia says Congolese Rumba
Well, Rumba itself appears to have been born out of Son Cubano as well lol
Pretty cool story btw.

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>Debussy
I guess I should go with L'Apres then. Or actually, let's just re-do the impressionism part. There is space for three impressionist recordings. The first one should be a transitional work from romantic to impressionist, the second a more conventional example of the genre, and the third some more unorthodox. What would you recommend?

>This section makes me a little sad
Oh no :c
Still, I don't know what exactly would you change. I mean, I would love to expand that section (and romantic too), but there just isn't enough space, so I have to replace stuff instead. Still, the chart shouldn't be concerned about the "general public", so there is no need to add Part or Glass (or maybe there is, haven't listened to much of their stuff). I think the Minimalism choices are fine though. In C combined with Drumming is a neat combination, imo. But still, I would be happy to hear your thoughts.

>Rothko Chapel is a better known work
True, I think I should add that one instead.

>Minimalism and some early electronic being put in the experimental section also makes me sad but I understand why they're there there.
Well, they are actually there because, the way I see it, minimalism wasn't a style that evolved out of any classical style, it just appeared out of conceptual ideas. Similar case with the electronic/tape compositions, but in this case they were born out of technologies instead of conceptual ideas (but in the end they are the same, right?).

>The likes of Riley, Stockhausen and Reich are thought of as classical composers but they were tangential to popular movements.
They are classical (art? academic?) composers, but not all of their works were done in a european classical style (nor derived form it). Stockhausen lies somewhere in between though, I think, since Kontakte for example is both part of this electronic category but also part of the serialist tradition.

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Ah, ok I think I get what you're going for a little better.
>Freischutz by Weber is a romantic piece that predates his 9th Symphony
I think you might be underestimating the importance of Beethoven's 9th in expanding the horizons of the symphony. It's an early romantic piece with vocals, but the inclusion of those vocals in a symphony lead composers breaking the conventions of forms both in and out of the symphony.
Beethoven's 6th? It's a great piece but I think you're better off with the 5th. It's a stronger and more innovative work.
>Apparently, but wouldn't those fall under romantic?
Hell you could call them early modern if you wanna get creative about it, Stravinsky referred to the great fugue that originally capped the 13th as such. Romantic is probably best though. People will start raising eyebrows if Beethoven is in the same section as Satie.
>I mean, I could still include if that's the case, I just don't know who to remove to add them.
I don't either. It's a fairly tight packed bunch as is. Maybe leave it unless you're expanding the section.
>I was thinking Nachtmusik could be relevant as a precursor of light music
If this is the goal, then absolutely keep EKNM. There's a good case for it's inclusion as light music, though it's such a lovely piece that I feel bad lumping it in with a term that usually describes the smooth jazz of the classical world.
>Pretty cool story btw
Ikr? I kinda wanna go find out about the radio broadcaster who made Latin American folk musicians popular in the Congo.
>impressionism
Impressionism as a movement is a little amorphous. Bolero and L'Apres are good. Maybe Sibelius' The Swan of Tuonela? It's an early impressionist work and it'd be nice if Jean got on here, even if it's not for Finalandia or one of his symphonies.
Gymnepodes is a great piece, but if you wanna have Satie as a forward thinker, Ogives is probs the earliest thing you could reasonably call minimalism. It's less well known though.

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Your ignorance in jazz and Classical really shows

Here's a chart from the golden age of Yea Forums made by someone who actually knew their shit

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>Your ignorance in jazz and Classical really shows
In classical? Yes. The jazz chart is fine though.
Also, I'm aware of that chart, and I used it as inspiration and as a guide for the classical section, so the classical section shouldn't be bad in comparison. Of course, if you have anything to suggest, feel free to do so (both in classical and jazz categories, or anything else).

>I mean, I would love to expand that section (and romantic too), but there just isn't enough space, so I have to replace stuff instead
Yeah, then you're probs fine desu. The thing about a chart like this tracking innovations is, you're bound to miss a bunch. At the end of the day, the world will just have to live without prepared piano, Tintinnabuli and algorithmically generated orchestral textures. They'll get by somehow
> I think the Minimalism choices are fine though. In C combined with Drumming is a neat combination, imo. But still, I would be happy to hear your thoughts.
Yeah they're great pieces. Especially if you're aiming for "early pieces that made a big splash in the genre".
>Well, they are actually there because, the way I see it, minimalism wasn't a style that evolved out of any classical style, it just appeared out of conceptual ideas
Yeah, I mostly agree with this. As I mentioned, you can trace it's earliest roots to classical music, but that isn't where LaMonte Young was drawing most of his influences.
> Similar case with the electronic/tape compositions, but in this case they were born out of technologies instead of conceptual ideas (but in the end they are the same, right?).
Yeah, same deal, neither popular nor classical music can really 100% claim ownership of the origins of this stuff.
>art? academic?
Same thing, different name. I just say classical cause it lets me talk about pretentious things with slightly less pretentious language. I've never actually observed a case where the similarities between "classical era" and "classical music" have caused confusion in the wild.
>but not all of their works were done in a european classical style (nor derived form it). Stockhausen lies somewhere in between
This isn't just common to them either. One of the defining features of modern classical music has been absorbing influences from other traditions and generally making music that is hard to fit in neat boxes.

>I think you might be underestimating the importance of Beethoven's 9th in expanding the horizons of the symphony.
Oh no, I'm well aware of how massive the 9th was, but don't you think it's weird for the romantic section to start with something that's not Beethoven? And sure, I could include many romantic works by Beethoven, but that would be too difficult considering the limited space.

>I think you're better off with the 5th. It's a stronger and more innovative work.
Alright then. Is it actually romantic though? What was the first romantic composition in your opinion and according to academic consensus?

>Hell you could call them early modern if you wanna get creative about it
Of course :)

>Romantic is probably best though.
What would you replace then? Or should I just not add it?

>Maybe leave it unless you're expanding the section.
Are you sure? There is probably some "redundancy" in that selection. Now, there are still some other artists who should also make it, but eh... idk.

>though it's such a lovely piece that I feel bad lumping it in with a term that usually describes the smooth jazz of the classical world.
Yeah, I get that, but jazz went through the same thing (say "Hi!" to Kenny G), and its still important to add it since it was a unique style. Now, is EKNM really light music? I'm not sure, but as long as the piece is "different enough" from the rest of Mozart's output its fine.

>Bolero and L'Apres are good.
Are those transitional works from romantic to impressionism though?

>if you wanna have Satie as a forward thinker
I'm afraid that's not the idea, unless you want to add it as the "unorthodox" impressionist pick.

>Ogives is probs the earliest thing you could reasonably call minimalism. It's less well known though
Sounds interesting, will try to give it a listen.

Thanks a lot for your suggestions by the way!

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>DJ MARCUS NASTY
this shit is great desu. VeRY HYPe

Fuck off user im not lissening to fucking animal music

let's go for it

isn’t avant-math god the homosexual commie spic on RYM? 90% sure the yellow jelly album is his own album (that doesn’t exist).

>Buyer's Market just chilling at the bottom
kek

Let's hope it's good and it doesn't bore me to sleep.

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Question.

What is the purpose of the chart?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to be an educational introduction to each genre/sub-genre, creating a basic understanding of them.

I take this as the reason many of the picks aren’t necessarily very good on their merits outside of the purpose of the chart

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>Beethoven
Yeah look, I'm probs not the best person to be asking about this. Like, this stuff is all so fuzzy and I kind of revel in that. Beethoven's 5th is undeniably an important and highly influential early work in romantic music but it's not like you're trying to pin down a definite style, it's more like an ethos and approach to music. It's nebulous, like a lot of things in art.
The only hard line I like drawing in classical music is Mahler's Der Lide von der Erde definitively ending the romantic period. And that's just cause Bernstein made a very poetic case for why it should be.
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>Beethoven's late String Quartets
Yeah, there's also plenty of Beethoven on there already. I'd say just leave it. If this ever gets any bigger, they're worth adding though.
> is EKNM really light music?
I don't really know. If it is, it probably wasn't on purpose in any case. I feel like your best bet is to find someone who listens to classical music purely as background music and to ask them.
>Are those transitional works from romantic to impressionism though?
Yeah again, I have the same feelings about this as I do about romanticism. The prelude is a pretty definitive early impressionist work in style and approach and Bolero is both very well known and influential as an impressionist piece.
>unless you want to add it as the "unorthodox" impressionist pick.
Nah, you're probs best with Gymnepodies as an impressionist work. Satie is cited as the father of minimalism by a lot of folks in the classical world and figured that might be a neat way to show that which is why I suggested it.
>Thanks a lot for your suggestions by the way!
Np, always nice chatting with you! Been a while since I'd seen you around and I've also not been on here in a while so I wasn't sure you were still posting. Glad to see you are!

>At the end of the day, the world will just have to live without prepared piano, Tintinnabuli and algorithmically generated orchestral textures.
I'm sad now too :c
I guess free improvisation should cover the prepared piano thing at least (kind of).

>you can trace it's earliest roots to classical music
Can you really? Because you can trace down the origins of impressionism and futurism to romantic, for example, or stochastic music to serialism, then to expressionism, and then back to romanticism again, but what's the story with minimalism? I don't really see it as evolving out of any style of classical music to be honest.

>neither popular nor classical music can really 100% claim ownership of the origins of this stuff
I mean, they could. I'm not using the classical/popular/folk category for the purposes of the chart though. European Classical is the music that evolved out of medieval classical, for example, which is why cabaret is there (apparently has its origins in opera), despite not being a classical genre.

>it seems to be an educational introduction to each genre/sub-genre, creating a basic understanding of them.
Yeah, but with the earliest classical recording of each genre, the transitional work from one genre to another, which should give a better perspective on how genres evolve.

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>Like, this stuff is all so fuzzy and I kind of revel in that.
Definitely, but you must have an opinion on which could be called the first romantic work, right?

>Been a while since I'd seen you around and I've also not been on here in a while so I wasn't sure you were still posting.
I only really came back when I worked on the chart and to post in the /music/, /discovery/, and /advanced/ generals (they are all the same), but they never really catched up, sadly. I still have some other ideas anyways.

>choosing bark psychosis' most obscure release to represent post rock
>not just choosing Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
don't get this at all

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>Definitely, but you must have an opinion on which could be called the first romantic work, right?
Beethoven's third is probably the earliest I'd be comfortable going. The fifth is more definitive, well known and influential tho.
Welp, this chart seems to be getting people's attention, so that's neat!

got Opus III - Mind Fruit
loving this so far, kinda reminds me of Bjork's Debut but more synthetic and upbeat

I understand that's a controversial decision, but I don't feel like Talk Talk are post-rock in the same way as bands like Slint or Bark Psychosis are. And in the case we would consider Talk Talk to be post-rock then we should include Durutti Column instead since they came earlier.

I guess the fifth is nice then :3

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youtube.com/watch?v=gm7Wi7meP-I
I enjoyed listening to it until the phone rang and I woke up.

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>The Homosexual Spic is talking to himself again

what are you talking about

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Chart is shit but I'll give it a shot

rollin pt 2 because couldn't find album

what don't you like about it?

what album was it?

hey look it's avant math pretending like there's nothing wrong with this 1/10 chart. fuckin give it up man nobody likes this thing. it SUCKS!!!!!!!!

heheheheh well waht didn't you like about it XDDD

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all you have to do is give me an example of what you recommend! not too hard :^) heheheheh

*HONK* *HONK*

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what's the matter? have the wrong definition of plunderphonics??? :^) *pulling out notepad*

>pretending like there's nothing wrong with this 1/10 chart
I know there is plenty of wrong with it, that's why I ask for suggestion to improve the chart (but the choice for shoegaze is not one of them).

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>that's why I ask for suggestion.
name THREE recommendations you have taken in the week+ you've been spamming this god forsaken chart. i'm waiting

>name THREE recommendations you have taken in the week+ you've been spamming this god forsaken chart
F-Zero
Repulsion
Bark Psychosis
There. Now fuck off.

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5 mins in. kek has bestowed upon me a truly bountiful blessing this evening.

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i'm honestly incredibly surprised. i really didn't think you'd be able to put up. I've watched you argue your way out of every suggestion for over a week. i was under the impression the only change you made was the one you publicly argued with and then privately changed. anyway, you have insane ego issues to be forcing this chart that does not at all help show how genres have evolved at all considering every genre has its own meticulous avant-math definition that literally NOBDOY agrees with.
and I still believe you have autism

yeah, he also never listened to the albums in the chart he spams. epic

>I've watched you argue your way out of every suggestion for over a week
I don't. It's just that the ones I disagree with (mostly just three, Loveless, Viper and Avalanches) the first two do not fit the criteria, and the third is more controversial, but its either hip hop or its nothing (since it wouldn't qualify as early).

>you have insane ego issues to be forcing this chart that does not at all help show how genres have evolved at all
It does show this, since every album on that chart is a transitional work from one genre to another (2-step to dubstep, thrash metal to black metal, philly soul to disco, etc). I understand if you don't like this approach, but the alternative is picking the top RYM album, which is even worse.

>considering every genre has its own meticulous avant-math definition that literally NOBDOY agrees with
Stop being a retard, this has only been the case for plunderphonics, and that's a controversial case at RYM too.

>I still believe you have autism
Nah, I don't have any autistic symptoms other than "categorizing things", which is just one out of many other criteria for autism, none of which I have.

I have already listened to most of them and I'm listening to the ones I haven't yet.

>not autistic
>1111 album chart

pick one

>do you think anyone genuinely derives anything from viper's music?
yo fuck you

reminder that OP used some random obscure Viper album nobody knew for the chart literally because RYM told him to

prove it

>obscure Viper album nobody knew
It's better than Cowards, and also came earlier, so it's win-win.

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shut the fuck up OP you do this every thread it's so embarrassingly obvious. just admit that your chart is a good idea in theory and absolute fucking trainwreck in reality. let it go man

That's not me, but again, if you think the entire thing is bad because I included a shoegaze album that wasn't Loveless, Viper and Avalanches under instrumental hip hop, you are a moron. There are 1111 albums on that chart, and just because of those 3 you are claiming the whole thing is shit. Again, you are moron. Are there things to improve? Probably, but you don't know jack shit about what exactly there is to improve, you are just shitting on the chart because you can't achieve anything better.

This is what damage control looks like

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i know that you know deep down in your heart that that *was* you, and that this chart was a failure. goodnight op

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>you can't achieve anything better.

haha, oh man

>you do this every thread
Again, prove it or you mad

>i know that you know deep down in your heart that that *was* you
It literally wasn't.

>and that this chart was a failure
Keep crying to Loveless you moron.

wow...

if it really wasn't you a want a screenshot bucko, cuz you lyin as fuck

ahhhh!!! i'm mad that op ACHIEVED something so much greater than I could conceive... we're not worthy

Reminder that this man literally spent WEEKS making a chart that bad, and he has now attempted to perform damage control 40 (FORTY) times in this thread, and that he is going to do it ALL OVER AGAIN when he posts this chart TOMORROW

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Anyways, I will stop replying to the trolls now. They are just mad because their favorite album didn't make it even though its very clear what the criteria for the chart is in the description.

Fine, here it is.

>and he has now attempted to perform damage control 40 (FORTY) times in this thread
Yours must be just as many lmao

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we're like a week into this charade and i'm still not fully convinced the entire thing isn't a troll. but if I had to bet OP is trolling. these threads are consistently asinine

>Yours must be just as many lmao

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roll for sub-saharan african

no thanks I prefer listening to good music instead.

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Oh and guys, you should really take the entire post number mod 1111, else it's not a uniform distribution (some albums are more likely to be picked than others)

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>A bunch of records that are not essential, or essential records are missing.

Seriously, you got Bathory before Emperor or Death Crush by Mayhem? No essential new wave records from New Order? Don't get me started on that outdated niggerhop nostalgia core.

This list reeks of someone who thinks they're listening to better music, but forgot to listen to better music. Almost worse than CLT.

How does one listen to all of this

Replace the Mass in B minor for this, it's twice

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>Anyways, I will stop replying to the trolls now.
Fucking finally. You've been around here how many years and are still engaging in bad faith arguments with trolls? I guess it kept the thread bumped.

It was pretty boring. Catherine Ribeiro + 2 Bis.

t. pleb

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What we listenun to

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There is Bathory for first wave and Darkthrone for second wave. This seems fine to me.
New Order are already on the chart.
What would you change from hip hop?

That was a typo, its supposed to be Art of Fugue.

Just by listening to this?

The thing is they aren't always trolls. One of them seemed to be trolling but we eventually reached an agreement. The guy I was replying to yesterday though? Yeah, he's just a moron.

That album is awesome.

Wasn't me.

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Doesnt avant math retard tire of answering all these questions all the time? Heres whats going to happen: a bunch of autists argue with him over his shitty pointles chart and then nobody listens to anything on it because nobody cares about fucking proto music shit and then the chart dies. Or it becomes a meme. Either way, even if people talk about, theres just too much on it that no sane person gives a fuck about... so many hours wasted! Like jesus, you could propably learn karate in this time, or to make your own music. Fucking hell...

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learn to speaking for yourself faggot
somewhen Im listen it all
also nice faggot "..."'s

Fuck off with this self important meme chart

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This chart fucking sucks it's not new Yea Forumscore it has a bunch of random fucking shitty boring monotonous not creative brown person music from poopy brown shithole places.

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>It sounds like it came from the 50's so it's pretty ahead of the curve
No it doesn't, no it isn't.

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>boring monotonous not creative brown person music
such as?

Ok, so I got The Best of Django Reinhardt. For first impressions, it's not bad, but not my type of music at ALL. I couldn't sit through most of it b/c it was just too boring. However, it is good enough I might put in on in the background while I'm doing homework or something.

Late as always

Django Reinhardt is the shit man. Give it another listen sometime, one of the greatest jazz players ever.

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Hey avant math god, thanks for putting in the effort to make such a chart. Were you the guy talking about it on here about like a month ago? Anyways, heres what im missing there:
Downtempo: no Bonobo
no Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (hate skrillex all you want, but this has been one of the most influental records on EDM and modern electronic music in general.)
no Flying lotus
genres missing:
Deconstructed Club (shy girl)
Jungle Terror (Wiwek)
Electroswing (caravan palace - robotface
Brostep (skrillex)
Glitch
Future House (Tchami)

DOGE

Bonobo is too late to be on downtempo. Flying Lotus could have gone under wonky hip hop, but I decided to go for other hip hop genres instead since there was already the edm kind of hip hop.
Deconstructed Club and Brostep are already in the chart, and with those I went with Jam City and Excision since they came earlier.
Regarding Jungle Terror, Electro-Swing, Glitch and Future House, I just couldn't manage to add them. The house section was a pretty though one to choose from.

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Why you cant add glitch in IDM section instead of Autechre

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Because Glitch is not IDM. It would belong under the Experimental category.

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got uncle meat. was a fan of 70s zappa stuff already but this is pretty good. weirder than i usually go for but it sounds awesome coming through my speakers. 7/10

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the ROLLing stones

Then you can place it instead of these placeholder anti-music positions

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I shouldn't, because glitch belongs in the tape music, electroacoustic, turntable music, etc category.

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Rusko was the real pioneer of brostep

You are actually right (although I think Coki came first). Which recording should I go for? Fabriclive 37?

I think about Babylon vol 1 but its not tagged as brostep on rym so you may wont add it

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Is it really brostep though? Because apparently that was even released before SpongeBob by Coki, which as I understand is what started the genre. It was only after it was released that his stuff gets tagged with brostep. I will give a listen to Babylon anyways though, thanks.

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