Didn't bernie get like 3% of total votes last time he ran for president?

didn't bernie get like 3% of total votes last time he ran for president?
What makes these dumb leftcucks think he's going to suddenly pull it off this time?

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Because Hilary didn't buy him out this time.

He's stayed consistent his entire career which means he can't be bought

He's gonna win because he's the favorite candidate in the race by the american people. Many of those who voted for trump intended to vote for bernie, but when he got snubbed, they went for trump instead. he would have won the election last time, and will so this time, if the dems doesn't steal his candidacy, which they likely will, because they're stupid.

stay cucked

Here wasn't a nominee last time, rtard.

Don't cope at me ever again sir

Stop replying to the trumpbitch & russian propaganda bots

cuz he is

Just because you righties can't fathom ever uncucking yourselves from the rich, doesn't mean the rest of us want to be cucked user.
That's just a *you* thing

>stayed consistent
Flipped on Immigration (hard) and on guns. Also became very lgbt friendly, which is bitterly anti-white. All the current left's core platforms.

You actually believe this bullshit?
You think channeling your anger into a complete transformation of the US system wont blowback?
Cool, Im down for Bernie too, but after 4 years you will see how hard the pendulum swings the other way

Bruh dont get all your opinions from Toe Rogan.

lmao
>that's the definition of a fascist society btw

you're an unbelievably stupid human being if you really believe that.
there were more fascist conditions under and communist dictator than in any given period of us history.
when you call everything "fascist" and "nazi" you're just signaling to everyone with an education that you don't have any clue what either of those concepts are, or how to properly apply them in debate.

Fucks sake man.

There is no US system.

There have however been 30 years of noliberalism which massively redistributed the money from the bottom to the top.

That's the system that has to go in the next 10 years.

Or watch as the nation descends into anarchy.

well then go live in a commune, stop taking jobs and money if you want to be free from the capitalist society, oh wait you don't actually want to be free from the rich, you just want to take their wealth

well good luck, bernie is the last remnant of a socialist falsehood, so say goodbye to your chances of a revolution

get a job and pay your fucking taxes and shut the fuck up because it's all you can do

It is exactly what italian fascism was you stupid nigger. Keep sucking the dick of your corporate overlords for bread crumbs if you like it so much.

>oh wait you don't actually want to be free from the rich, you just want to take their wealth
Same thing
>bernie is the last remnant of a socialist falsehood
Incorrect
>get a job and pay your fucking taxes and shut the fuck up because it's all you can do
And this is the lie, you god damn poor sheep

You're a prime example how with a broken education system and years of indoctrination you can actually get poor white trash to vote against their own economic interests.

State control of industry for the benefit of the state is a core part of fascism.

>descends into anarchy
We can't do that. Who do we even shoot at this point? The media constantly pits the left against the right and the different races against eachother. 1%er types are carefully hidden away and will never let themselves be a target to anyone that wakes up and unifies.

Its not control per se but symbiosis in the italian model.

But everything has to bow to the power of corporations/the state.

Because he wasn't the DNC nominee, you fucking mong.

All studies and reports show that had he been the DNC nom, he would have won.

Maybe you should stop being fucking stupid.

tell yourself whatever you have to.
if you had anything of substance, you wouldn't have to resort to name calling.
if you had evidence of your bullshit tinfoil claims, you'd present it.
if you think some guy who owns three homes and talks about equal wealth distribution is anything more than a hypocrite and a poseur, then that just means that, for you (like so many bernie supporters) the feel good bullshit, empty promises, and general hype surrounding him are more important than facts and reality.

you support a fraud.
you are a fraud by extension.
if "the massively wealthy" were against him, he'd be dead in the water.
bernie is controlled opposition and he will either lose the primary to biden or the general to trump.

>All studies and reports show that had he been the DNC nom, he would have won.

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>broken education system
Our education system only indoctrinates students into leftist and Marxist ideas. You seem deluded.

wrong.
state control of industry is a core component of communism.
stop parroting the flagrant disinfo you got from your community college polisci "professor"

Anarchy has the same wealth destruction effect as revolution.

If you can't get to the rich just steal or destroy their stuff.

But you can always get to anybody in this world, if you really want to.

People have gotten stupider

Are you kidding?

One of the reasons Hilary lost the election is because the DNC screwed Sanders over last time around to parachute her into the nomination.

The DNC were desperate to avoid Sanders getting the nomination.

They still are: they're running with Biden ffs. He'll be Hilary all over again I promise you.

The DNC haven't learned shit from the last election and the Cheeto will be re-elected.

God fucking help us.

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i wonder if any of those reports or studies were anything like the polls that showed donald only winning 2% of the electoral votes

Education != only university you stupid shit.

You didn't go to university.
You still got an education.
But as opposed to the leftist education in universities, your education was so bad that you're actually willing to vote against your own economic interest to let more money trickle up from the poor to the rich.

please do this, I want you to put your money where your mouth is

stop being an imageboard larper and go destroy some rich people's shit, please

don't talk about it anymore, just go and do it now, I dare you

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or he was bought long ago and paid very well

That's what he said, white leftists are voting against their economic interests

yeah.
things are so bad under him.
you've got no electricity and he's silencing you with his fascism.
wait.
nope.
you're shitposting from the comfort of your home.
the histrionic personality disorder is real.
enjoy the next 4 years

Oh no, it's retarded

We'll be fine. If we can survive 8 years of fucking Bush, we can survive 8 years of this idiot. Regardless, I still want Bernie to win though. He's by no means the perfect candidate, but it's better than the alternatives.

How much is russia paying you? Can I get in on this to make some cash?

You sound very young and idealistic. Anarchy has no chance in this world anymore, the guns and communication methods are just too advanced to create the uneven battlefield it takes to work in any positive way. If true anarchy broke out this minute, the right and specifically the far-right, would steamroll this nation and it would be really fucking ugly. The economy would completely collapse and no one darker than a stick of butter would be left standing. That's not what most people want, even conservatives, despite what you likely believe.

You cant be serious. When has socialism every successfully ended the upper class? Your superiors will call you comrade for a few months before the new hierarchy is estabisllhed.

>He's stayed consistent his entire career

this is what people who read youtube comments twitter posts for information believe

the man went from pro borders to no borders in one election cycle

>owns three homes is now rich
>Can't talk about a party you are not a member of
>men can no longer talk about womens rights
>same with trans rights
>abortion rights
keep digging yourself in friend

sounds like a massive cope for a candidate that you know doesn't really have a chance.
it's difficult to make excuses for such weak, foolish politician.
bernie sanders is the washington equivalent of bolt-on tits.
lots of people like him despite the fact he's obviously fake.

An old man that probably shits in diapers is your focus at this time...do you feel proud of yourself?

Later on, I will probably smoke pot and the government disapproval will be like tears in a rape victim...garnish and seasoning.

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It's well entrenched in K-12 too. And don't assume my education, bigot!

>The dems stole the election from Bernie

I'm literally a democratic socialist, Bernie supporter and I don't believe this shit.

explain to me how Hillary getting more votes than Bernie means she rigged it.

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wasn't there some nonsense where he won the plurality but they didn't accept that so the superdelegates got to vote on it and gave it to hillary? that seems to be ignoring the will of the people imo

>this idiot
>economy best it's ever been
>unemployment at an all time low
>finally not spreading our asshole for china

I really wonder what you dislike about Trump. Is it just repeating things you hear? Does how he talks himself up rub you the wrong way? I don't understand people who act like Trump is actually a bad president. It really feels like people don't think about things he has actually done and absorb news station garbage. Like how can you believe anything they've said about him after yhe Russia hoax? And we keep getting anti-Trump maniacs (yes they are maniacs) who would call for impeachment if he farted in the general vicinity of a woman or minority.

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>Hillary buys CNN debate questions
>pays off 80% of DNC debt 15 months before nominated
>gains control of all influence and money raised by DNC
nope nothing unethical here

>Bernie won the plurality

You can see the image I posted right?
it was a two person race. Hillary won the majority.

that's counting the superdelegates though, isn't it?

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No Hillary
The Russians want him
He's the most anti-Trump candidate in the race, and Democrat voters HATE Trump

it literally says "popular vote"

and it's 3 million more than Bernie

there are not 3 million super delegates lmao

>Focusing in and looking at a state like New Hampshire, we can clearly see how superdelegates have effected this race. At the polls Bernie Sanders won New Hampshire’s pledged delegates by a landslide 22 percent. Bernie Sanders received 60.4 percent of the poll vote, just about 150,000 votes. Clinton received 38 percent of the poll vote, tallying just about 95,000 votes. Yet, all six Democratic New Hampshire superdelegates gave their support to Hillary Clinton, effectively erasing Sanders win, leading both candidates to leave the state with the same 15 delegates. The six votes of support by Governor Maggie Hassan, Representative Ann Kuster, Senator Jeanne Shaheen, and DNC members Bill Shaheen, Kathy Sullivan, and Joanne Dowdell, effectively erased the impact of 55,000 Democratic voters on this election.

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thanks, that's what i was looking for but that guy didn't want to give me a real answer

If he ran the only thing that is close to socialist healthcare, the VA, I can't believe the whole nation will get anything better

you do know that that shit has been gutted by republicans who pay lip service to troops but don't actually care, right? Maybe we should vote for people who will support the government system instead of intentionally sabotaging it to then point at it and go "SEE? THE SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK!"

>muh super delegates

Hillary won the popular vote nation wide. In a DEMOCRACY she won.

what's your excuse for the VA being gutted when obama and clinton were president?

could it be that you believe in political lies?

how do i get russia to pay me to post bullshit? I actually want to know, I'm fucking broke and need booze money

...

people did waiting for care at the VA while obama was president, where was your protest then?

>did
died

nigger just fucking tell me who i need to apply to so i can post disinformation on Yea Forums for money

>Russia

It's pro hillary what the fuck

>She won blacks and libs and dems
>bernie won independents and under 30
not sure exactly what it means in totality but in a vacuum I'd pick door #2

>economy best its ever been
>unemployment at an all time low

Both of these things are uncontrollable by the president, and nothing a single president can do, even in two terms, can change the country enough to significantly impact it.

To think Trump is responsible for these things is the most delusional fantasy of conservatives. I will admit, he has put his foot down on China, but what other point do you have?

I never said Trump was actually a bad president. I simply said Bernie is a better candidate than him.

You know what doesn't work? Giving tax breaks to corporations under the theory they will use the extra money to invest back into those businesses. You know how you get on the peoples bad side? Say you're going to build a way for immigration and make another country pay for it, lie to them, and instead take it out of the taxpayers wallets. How do you honestly do that to your people and expect to get on your good side? Frankly, I would be pissed if the rich were getting tax breaks while the rest of the people 9 to 5 workers get taxed more to pay for my presidents bullshit.

Now, the whole wall thing is completely off-topic, but no, none of that bothers me. In fact, I'm all-for the isolationist idea for America. Americans should come first in America. No, none of what he says bothers me. Because actions speak louder than words, and he's shown more negative impact for the country than positive, and you're using correlation with Trumps presidency and the state of the economy as justification for him being a good president.

And some conservatives will even go out of their way to call him the best president the United States has ever had, despite not being able to name more than 5 US Presidents in history. It's laughable that they find themselves somehow on a higher moral ground than liberals, when in-fact, they're just as retarded. Even you yourself have done a lot of assuming rather than actually trying to put together a real response.

you're retarded if you think russia is anti hillary and not just pro-division and chaos

graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/
learn to use the google machine thing

It's literally the same argument... Republicans like Mitch kept kicking the can down the road to further their own agenda. Same with the 9/11 first responders. Republicans shit on the floor and say "hey we would have less shit on the floor if you'd just let me to what I want instead of shitting on the floor"

>economy best its ever been
Hi sorry you were in a coma for a week but this week we're talking about the DOW having it's largest drop in history

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Health_Administration_scandal_of_2014

Can you please just actually answer me I want some fucking money damn it I will jump on your stupid bandwagon and everything

...

mah god americunts

socialism =! communism

You can't end the upper class, but what does happen is that the current upper class gets murdered and replaced by a new one.

After ww2 it was understood in the west, that if you want

A) no war (which is an Asset destroyer) and

B) not get murdered and replaced (revolution either left or right)

you need to pay your fucking taxes so wealth transfer and social mobility stops the lower classes from coming after you.

If you think you can get away with hording the benefits of productivity for yourself / your class of people you'll eventually suffer the same fate as the tsar family in 1916 in russia or the jews/social democrats/conservatives 1936 in germany.

It's so goddamn fucking obvious and easy to understand.

Don't get my wrong, I have no skin in the game, quite contrary i'm swiss.

So the world can gladly to to shit as it did 1914 and 1939, we'll be selling you weapons and buying your underpriced assets as we did so many times before while suffering none of the negative effects of armed conflicts.

it's always republicans fault, even when democrats control the white house, the house ans senate....

the irony here, is that anyone supporting establishment dems or republicans is a fucking brainlet.

lets look at the last 4 presidents
bush jr (republican)
clinton (democrat)
obama (democrat)
trump (republican)

all of these shitbags cut programs like VA, medicare/medicaid (yes even obama. program was expanded horizontally, but because he ended matching funds to states, it was cut)

all of these shitbags invaded countries for resources. trump is taking syrias oil right now, he even said it in those exact words. obama, invaded 5 more countries while we were already occupying 2, etc.

all of these shitbags gave massive tax breaks to rich people and massive corporations, like GE, Amazon, etc.

yet here you fucking cucks are (all of you supporting dems or republicans are cucks) arguing over which asshole is better suited to fuck everyone in the ass. congratulations, you played yourselves.

do you think my luxembourgish bf and i can move to Switzerland when the world goes to shit again?

Here's a hot take for everyone talking about the VA. The Military Industrial Complex runs this country, not us, not the politicians we see on TV, and not even the 1%, although they do "own" the Military Industrial Complex. Here's an image of the power structure and how it's strategically deployed.

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I mean its one thing to be hyperbolic but are you really suggesting that facts have to care about your feelings?

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Uh, Bernie can't win Southern Democrats. Just like he couldn't the last time. They went for a Clinton. They'll go for Biden being Obama's VP.

No, I just want to know how I get on the same fucking payroll as you. Are you actually illiterate?

Кaк мнe ycтpoитьcя нa paбoтy y вaшeгo paбoтoдaтeля?

You have the education of a middleschooler considering the lack of understanding you demonstrate in these fields:

History
Economics
Politics

From a freak virus caused by China? Not really something any president could predict or stop. But before this it was at an all time high.

you act like the wealthy aren't paying their taxes here when they fucking do

these grifter politicians are trying to convince low IQ lazy people that rich people are stealing from them so that they will vote for them

you can't benefit from the benefits of productivity IF YOU ARE NOT PRODUCTIVE YOURSELF, this might work for you 100% white people land, but it doesn't work here

Well if you are going to be the least productive person in this thread maybe you should reevaluate yourself and the life choices that brought you here.

Пoмoги нoги Джoнни!

Ah fuck. this must be a bot. That explains why it isn't actually making any sense or responding in any meaningful way. That sucks, I need the money.

Luxenbourg is fine as long as you, the belgians and the french don't get surprised by the schlieffen plan the third time.

well shit you convinced me, I better vote for a pure socialist jew this time instead of a jew supporting russian asset, eh?

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>you
i personally live in america unfortunately but i can sneak real good

Honestly? I don't fucking know anymore, user.

Whats the effective tax rate of 95% of americans?

Whats the effective tax rate of the top 5% of americans?

Whats the effective tax rate of american corporations?

Who got bailed out in 2008?

The debtor or the creditor?

Who is the one with the money?

The debtor or the creditor?

Whose money was used for the bail out?

The debtors or the creditors?

Eat the rich and fags like you.

We've given you a couple opportunities to make a salient point but you don't seem to either be able to put forward anything that a single person here can work with so... we can't even tell what your position is on anything. help me help you

the irony here, is that anyone supporting establishment dems or republicans is a fucking brainlet.

lets look at the last 4 presidents
bush jr (republican)
clinton (democrat)
obama (democrat)
trump (republican)

all of these shitbags cut programs like VA, medicare/medicaid (yes even obama. program was expanded horizontally, but because he ended matching funds to states, it was cut)

all of these shitbags invaded countries for resources. trump is taking syrias oil right now, he even said it in those exact words. obama, invaded 5 more countries while we were already occupying 2, etc.

all of these shitbags gave massive tax breaks to rich people and massive corporations, like GE, Amazon, etc.

yet here you fucking cucks are (all of you supporting dems or republicans are cucks) arguing over which asshole is better suited to fuck everyone in the ass. congratulations, you played yourselves.

Here are the answers

35%

10%

0 (!) - 5%

the creditors (5%)

the creditors (5%)

the debtors (95%)

so you all pay so that the rich don't lose any money.

and what do they want in return?

cut social security.

and you still vote for the puppets of these rich cocksuckers who don't give a fuck.

why?

Because you're average IQ is below 95 and your education system keeps you dumb and forms you into s great cum recepticle for propaganda.

The only person, with chances to win the presidency, who will fight for the economic interest of 95% of americans is bernie.

Fucking based!!!

>There is a reason all the massively wealthy and powerful are all united against him.
He's united against himself?
kek

it's simple, vote for the one all the other politicians hated, trump

think of all the republican never trumpers who despised him, that in itself should be enough evidence to trust that he's at least not one of them

and of course the democrats loved him when he was registered as a democrat, but now they flipped completely and claim he's a nazi

so if you had to pick the guy of whom which the political class likes the least, would it be trump or bernie? i'm sure if bernie gets picked then the media will open their mouths wide for his little pecker

do you really want to live a in world where pic related doesn't have a boogieman to cry about?

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Here comes the amazing intellect of the European centrist... What do we do oh great lord of wisdom? Vote left, right or start shooting eachother. That's our choices and yours as well.

>he says, while his field of prospective candidates had TWO billionaires in it
>and more billionaires are propping up the whole party almost exclusively

are you retarded?
musolini was a socialist in his younger years, then doged the draft 3 times by fleeing to switzerland and being returned, and when he completed his military service finally, he went back to the socialists, promoted his nationalist agenda oof military expansion, to free all workers that way, got kicked out by the pot smoking pacifists, and then went and created his idea of fascism:
socialisim with a streak of nationalism to unite more people more effectively, and free the worker class everywhere in europe.
This ideology eventually spread up north, where it got adopted by the NSDAP, and in consequence, by Hitler.

(and that was just the barely accurate short version, to be digestible by retards like you)

fascism is just honest socialism, in that they will point the gun at your head if you dare to speak up. And since we caught bernie campaign staffers on hot mic, talking about how gulags weren't that bad, and joking about putting republicans into reeducation camps, should they win, you Sir are less then a step away from swinging the swastika flags once again in human history.

healthcare / welfare are not socialism. they are social capitalism, or social democratic policis.

socialism is straight up planned markets, forceful redistribution of property, and violent oppression of everyone who dares to question "the party" or their visionary leader.

bernie is a self.identifying socialist. Tells you everything you need to know about this garbage person. Only thing missing for for full blown hitler is antisemitism, but then again, socialists always had the banks as their great enemy in sight, and guess who's running the majority of them due to socio-historical reasons.
Keep voting for holocaust architects, you pot smoking dipshit.

i mean literally nothing you've said has had anything to do with me requesting to be put in touch with your employer so that I can also join the ranks sowing discord and chaos among American voters for cold hard cash

>You have the education of a middleschooler considering the lack of understanding you demonstrate in these fields:
>Economics
From a Bernie supporter, that's topkek

Bernies just an average guy who happens to be a career politician

bernie you fucking brainlet.

Im pretty sure all the soros' threw money at hillary.

did all the massively wealthy suddenly change position within the last couple months? am i missing something here

I did and will again. Don't think he's the best we have, but he's a far sight better than a leftist, commie, open borders, gun grabber, that all of them are. Also, checked.

This is btw what lots of europeans think too. USA had no good president since Kennedy. Your elections are a fucking clown show where you decide between voting shit or piss. Last election you decided between a lying warmonger and a lying billionaire

Not a cuck, sorry.

You're just to dumb to understand it aren't you?

Let me guess you are against Unions right?

Tell me what mechanism other than Unions exists for the working class to demand their share of productivity?

How much of the net productivity increase since 1979 has gone to the bottom 80% of the income distribution?

>mfw faggots like OP have to shillpost to make a pittance
your parents will never have pride in you

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cope zoomer

your numbers are not accurate and they don't really matter to me

i don't need bernie sanders and neither does the part of america that matters

i know you want equality but humans are not all equal and in the united states some people go their whole lives without contributing to the welfare system that they benefit from

you keep trying to convince us that corporations are evil and they are stealing from us and that they owe us but they don't, we are ok

we have homes, healthcare, families and businesses and personal interests of our own, we make a good living and we will retire comfortably because we worked for it

we aren't going allow a socialist to change the system that protects actual workers from people who work at mcdonalds

My fucking god you're so dumb it hurts.

Healthcare IS a form of socialism you dumb shit, yet you say it isn't.

Only in america the population is so dumb and uneducated that they actually believe the rightwing redefinition of the word socialism.

Do you know why the national SOCIALIST party was elected in the 1930's?

Because they demanded things like pensions for old people. Goverment Infrastructure Projects for work. VETERANS ASSISTANCE FOR WW1 CRIPPLES.

born in '83 kiddo. I repeat, your parents will never be proud of you

>Healthcare IS a form of socialism you dumb shit, yet you say it isn't.
and this is where you are absolutely wrong, you mong.
open wikipedia, look up socialism, and then look up social democratic policies
compare them and find out how retarded you actually are right now.

There are some other differences between fascism and socialism, for instance socialism involves state ownership of the means of production, while fascism allows private ownership. But they're still cousins and unrelated to capitalism, because in fascism the companies are still directed and controlled by the state.

And you forgot to mention FDR, his admiration of Mussolini and his policies, and the reciprocal administration Mussolini had for FDR's policies. They considered each other to be kindred spirits.

oh, you're saying they were promoting social policies to brush over their socialist agenda?
This is exactly what the previous user just explained you.

>83
that sounds about the time chris chan was born
so in that case I wouldn't be too proud

> spends 3 times the amount of gdp on healthcare than every other developed country in the world
> still doesn't understand what socialism is
> perfect cum recepticle for right wing propaganda
> sucks the dick of his corporate overlords
> actually thinks he's better than an mcdonalds employee

yea, as I said
>(and that was just the barely accurate short version, to be digestible by retards like you)

the details can fill book rows.

Ooooo sooo scary.
>>Republitards living under dictator Trump actually believe this.

>Flipped on Immigration (hard) and on guns. Also became very lgbt friendly, which is bitterly anti-white. All the current left's core platforms.
Cry all you want... he's far more consistent than anyone else in politics.

they will never be proud, that's the sad truth

You misunderstand something fundamental: all organizations cater to whoever is paying their bills. And it's just as true of the Federal government as it is for the local Italian restaurant.
So if you tax the rich even more than they are now, the rich get EVEN MORE say into how the government is run, not less. After all, they get even more incentive to pay lobbyists, contribute to congressional campaigns, and they’re the ones with the money to do it.

lol nope dumbass

please name one organization that is confirmed for paying people to shitpost on imageboards for trump?

here's a few for the democrats

Media Matters
Correct the Record
Shareblue
whatever mike bloomberg is offering atm, i don't remember the name

sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/22867

read this, if you want a job shilling for a political party the only one that pays is the one that shills for the left, most of the money comes from Soros's trickle from his "open society foundation"

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>the absolute state of denial

who cares anyways, trump will win by a landslide.

All attempts to redefine the word socialism have come from the left. In the late 19th century, socialism became the dominant ideology among intellectuals in Europe, and while there were many varieties of socialist through, they universally agreed on the other user's definition: Socialism is seizing the means of production. If you don't know what that means, it means that the government owns all companies, and there is no private sector. Partial socialization is possible, when the government takes over certain industries, like education or healthcare.

It was the leftists who redefined the term once full socialism became discredited. Using "socialism" to refer to all government funding is just one example. When the government taxes and uses those taxes to buy services or redistribute money, for instance hiring contractors to fix the roads or underfunding pensions, that's distinct from the real meaning of socialism, which would instead involve the government owning the construction industry or the investment companies holding pensions. It's an attempt to normalize an extreme word, by saying all these things people like, like roads, are really socialism.

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>blah blah rightwing blah blah dicks blah blah cum

thanks for your input euro

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But in an American democracy, it's all in how many states of various sizes a candidate wins. Winning the 55 Electoral College votes from California doesn't always guarantee the presidency. Neither does winning the majority of states because the states are weigted based on Congressional representation - one Electoral College vote for each Representative and Senator from that state. In fact, whoever wins the nine College votes - out of a total of 538 - from South Carolina often goes on to win the presidency.

confirmed by all parts of US intelligence feggit

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>socialist thought

>implying the rich aren't always trying to buy all the influence they can
oh you naive child

The socialist political movement includes a set of political philosophies that originated in the revolutionary movements of the mid-to-late 18th century and out of concern for the social problems that were associated with capitalism.

again you don't understand the words you are using.

socialism are all social policies enacted as a countermeasure to the inequality capitalism creates.

If you hadn't been living in the us political bubble and actually would understand where these terms come from (industrialising europe), you wouldn't be such easy targets for right wing propaganda.

But as I said, considering the sorry state of your schools and political discourse it is to be expected.

Just be aware that you don't know shit.

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fucking saved

sounds like you're a cooper
hope you fix your relationship with your parents chris

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Cooper? I've never made a barrel in my life. Not even a cask.

Do your "3 times" numbers take into account that we lead the world in cosmetic surgery? People are spending fucktons on medical procedures that are not medically necessary (implants, botox, etc).

There's an old adage that says, "you get what you pay for" ..."free" healthcare is shit because the government is inefficient at every fucking thing and most of the money is wasted (among other problems). The system we have now is far from perfect, but it's fucktons better than 99% of the world. Many of the other medical practices in the world that are "high tech" are so because the doctors came to study in America first.
There's still the glaring fact that it is NOT free to begin with. Your taxes go up to pay for it. You ARE paying for it, but no longer have any fucking choices as you would with things being privatized.

i work for a rival democrat candidate's campaign

there are rumors swirling around that a certain former presidential candidate is going to wait until bernie wins the nomination, then will have him....disappeared....and then will swoop in to save the day through a special emergency democrat convention

i would normally laugh this off but the higher-ups are actually taking this rumor seriously

if that bitch steals the nomination again, there is going to be some real hell to pay, that's all i can say

under your system people will still claim inequality

economic models and political ideologies don't create inequality, inequality is human nature

man i wish this wasn't a larp, this would set the lefties back a century

it's a question of magnitude. in a country with a surplus of billionaires, why should anyone go without healthcare?

You're holding up Norway as an economic miracle? The country where economic growth started to stagnate after their welfare state became fully fledged in the 1970s, and where their economy is propped up by massive oil reserves?

uh huh and Qanon is real too

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@mikegalsworthy
Yikes. This is the FTSE 100 today.

After starting by bouncing up from Friday’s terrible levels (as expected) - it’s now actually fallen below the Friday close. #coronavirus

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i wish it wasn't a larp too - but there are a LOT of people talking about this

Please just stop you are embarassing yourself.

In 95% of the world socialism does not mean communism.

As stated many times before you're a perfect cum recepticle for right wing propaganda.

Please go on voting against your own economic interests.

It will work out great for you I'm sure.

Socialism is theft.

Thieves get shot.

Fuck you.

Why take over an industry just to help the poor? The US has Medicaid for the people who can't afford healthcare.

they don't go without healthcare though

even if you're completely destitute living on the street you can just walk into a hospital and they will treat you, and in most cases you will be signed onto charity and volunteer programs for the poor

illegal aliens can just jump the border and get a broken arm fixed for free

this whole bit about healthcare is a huge fucking political sham, promises of free shit for votes

TRUMP SUPPORTERS VOTE BERNIE IN YOUR PRIMARIES. OPERATION CHAOS IS A THING.

Sorry i can't hear you over my

free healthcare

state guaranteed pension

2 year benefits (80% of wage) in case of unemployment

while having a higher employment, wealth and growth ratio than you.

isn't it nice that 65% of your work day you work for the government?

how's that slavery, nigger?

good for you, my family are having steak and shrimp this evening and when the weather warms up we're going to the beach

can you hear the sound of me not caring euro?

and you absolute mong believe us to live in post-industrialization times, where capitalism was nothing but work-enslavement under inhumane conditions.
we made some progress since then, and the modern version of capitalism has barely anything to do with its past.
it has incorporated many social streaks, from workplace condition improvements, safety improvements, healthcare and pension plans for employees, to bonus programms like 13th salary and beyond.
from state side it's a regulated market with various organs to keep corporations and their business practices in check, and none of the listed points have anything to do with socialism.
it's simply social-democratic policies, regulating a free market, open for everyone to participate and prosper.

hacks like you got indictrinated by socialists to demand a share in another ones accomplishments. How about you open your own business if you want to live in luxury?
The fact so few people do is not barrier of entry (banks are more than happy to fund your financial suicide), but the risk involved.
The mayority of the middle class is perfectly fine with wage-slaving away, since they have a family to feed and can't play poker with their future.
but those who do, either fail and go back to square one, or succeed and create new workplaces in the wake of their fortune.

to oversimplyfy it dramatically:
since when has the audience a right to get paid out from the pot a poker-player just won fair and square?

Who stole the share of productivity of 95% of the american population since 1979?

If productivity increases shouldn't everybody who contributes to it get their share?

Isn't that the promise of captitalism?

Why didn't it happen? Who stole your share?

In the 19th century, socialism and communism were interchangable among European intellectuals, and you see the mix in the names used in current and former socialist states, for instance a "communist" party running a "socialist republic".

It wasn't until well after the October revolution when Lenin needed a term to distinguish between the 3rd and 4th stages of Marxism, and decided that he'd use communism to refer to the theoretical final stage where the state eventually vanished somehow, leaving a paradise run by the workers. That usage became popular, though the terms are still to this day used interchangeably as well.

Your completely ignorance of the history of the movements you support is sad, but not surprising.

I pay 8% of my annual income in taxes.

Now you wonder how we can create a socialist haven like this?

The rich and corporations pay 8% as well you see. As they have way more then the working class their share gets redistributed to us.

The government.

No, that's not how the free market works. Failures are as important to it's functioning as successes. Creative destruction et al.

Absolutely not.

The government.

No but I hear the sound of your whole family beeing financally ruined, in case you get food poisoning and have to take the ambulance.

nobody stole my share - my net worth has increased roughly 15% a year since I was 16

it's called working, keeping what I earn, saving and investing

learn2capitalism you european cocksucker

please go taunt a sandnigger living in your country so i can see you die on the news you diseased cunt

Where do you retards get this shit from?

If productivity increases shouldn't everybody who contributes to it get their share?
sure, if you'd own it, or parts of it.
did you buy company shares?
no?
then you own square shit of it.

you got paid for the hours you put in.
you sold your time, they bought it.

see it like selling apples.
you sell apples for a dollar a piece, someone buys 3, and makes apply pie from it.
he sells the apple pie for 5 dollars.
do you have a right to receive a share of the 2 dollars he just made, or is he entitled to keep the profit from the resources he just bought from you.

time / workforce is your resource.
you sell it, and get paid for it.
what retarded logic entitles you to get more freebees out of it?

Which version of captialism you absolute dumb fuck.

45 - 78 with full employment or 79 - now with price stability?

Do you even understand the difference?

My god you really belive that don't you?

the one you live in currently.

So you're admitting that you don't understand that socialism != communism everywhere in the world except in america.

do not feed trolls-

I'm not a lawyer,. nor an economist.
how about you enlighten us and elaborate your point?

you truly think we don't have health insurance? that's just amazing

germany here, former GDR citizen
it's still the same, just 2 different states of it.

Imagine actually believing this

socialists:
if the state doesn't provide it, it doesn't exist.

Again please tell me what happens to your net growth once you get sick or can't work for two years.

Now compare it to what happens to mine (nothing).

Not as many sandniggers in switzerland, sorry, but you could ask a burrito fucker the same.

sure, would take a while to gun down every ghetto, or california for that matter, but the outcome would still be the same.
remove the state, and survival of the fitest applies.
pot smoking snowflakes on the spectrum aren't the fitest, btw...

You should try to think for yourself, instead of buying into a political narrative.

How do you think cronyism works? The government gives out favors, in exchange for money. The growth of government regulation and control since the 1970s has favored the large existing firms by placing burdens on new entrants into markets, among other favors. The growth of the money supply has also favored the financial industry and the capital markets in general (in that order), in order to impose a hidden tax on the general public, and the hidden tax of inflation applies not just to income, but also to savings.

These are the result of favors from legislators and bureaucrats, who come up with excuses like "protecting the consumer" (even if no consumer advocacy groups care), to enact an endless litany of small tweaks that collectively add up to protectionism and wealth redistribution to favored companies.

dont worry, they will cheat the primaries again

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You have no idea what socialism and communism mean.

Technically having insurance and having insurance that actually covers anything are two massively different things.

Do you even do makro economics.

We talk about timespans of 30 years + if labour doesn't get a share of productivity you'll have purchasing power going down ending straight in a recession, which kills your great capitalism right there.

You don't understand what you are talking about.

>makro economics
give it up, junior. It is macro economics. Jeez-

This.

Nobody expects car insurance to cover oil changes or replacing your tires every few years, you pay for that out of pocket. Insurance is for catastrophic events, like accidents.

It's insane that we have health insurance that covers routine checkups, and the reason the sector is a black hole for money is because nobody knows how much anything costs.

I was talking ownership of property, you talk makro economics.
me talking macro economics would be the following argument:
market crash of 2008 did a dent into the market and median income of the whole nation.
currently we have recovered from this, and adjusted for inflation, median income has risen past its numbers from the 70's.

and your problem is?

Keynesian macroeconomics is complete bullshit, go Austrian. Their business cycles model is the only one that predicted the 2008 recession.

Literally the biggest tool in this thread and there already is some sperg in here posting about black dick sizes

Okay

No wage growth no consumption growth no economy growth.

There was no wage growth.

Consumption has been artifically kept alive through loans.

Because of interests Loans only work if you either get a wage growth (which you don't get) or inflation (which you didn't get either) rlse you will never be able to pay the loan back.

in 2008 the creditors interests were saved.

which means that they didn't have to accept bad loans as bad loans.

which means the system didn't allow for a reset.

which means that all the persons who have been made debtors through aggressive peddling of, for example credit cards (20 years ago you had 0 credit cards in your wallet now you have 3, why do you think that is?), will never ever be able to repay their debt

but their debt will also never ever be forgiven as the creditors are saved whenever they should have to write their bad loans of

which means eternal servitude for the debtor class

tell me how this is any better than the industrialization period.

Recovered?

You sticked your fingers in your ears and kicked the can down the road.

This was not a Recovery. You put off the crisis.

>(20 years ago you had 0 credit cards in your wallet now you have 3
still got zero, but thank you for pointing out how retarded many people are when it comes to their money-spending habbits.
still can't blame others for your own fuckups.

>tell me how this is any better than the industrialization period.
oh, I don't know.
maybe healthcare, pension and a 8h, 9-5 workday for the mayority?
fuck up your education, or your life decissions, and you have no one to blame but yourself.
I spend 50 bucks on charity each month. Feel free to grab a soup on my cost. Can't be asked to compensate for your whole sorry existence.

so where do you get that we will die from food poisoning because we can't get healthcare?

i had surgery to repair a broken finger last year, missed a few days of work but somehow i was able to pay the bills and continue living a normal life

i think you're buying into too much political propaganda

Consumption has been artificialy kept alive thanks to Walmart and Amazon, who have driven down prices, and thus made economic measures based on the CPI look better than they actually are

Oh you do at 3 times the cost compared to every other developed country in the world.

Now do you think that is sustainable once the baby boomers start to go into palliativ care?

yea, naw.
life is good and your alarmism falls on fertile grounds nowhere but there where blissful ignorant people feel entitled to be successful in life.
Work for it. It's easier than you might think.
I'm maybe not the richest fucker in the neighborhood, but my pool & yakuzi speaks for itself. All done with nothing but honest labour.

Thats a nice little accident.

What happens to you if you loose your hand and have to retrain or if you get cancer and have to stop working all together?

MASSIVELY wealthy, you dumb fuck.
You idiots really do not understand the difference between millions and billions, do you?

Ah so you do have property.

That's great to know. You will remember me when the chickens come home to roost.

It's not three times, it's maybe twice, if you cherry pick. And costs have been rising even quicker in those other countries, so there's been a strong trend among countries with socialized healthcare to privatize things to control costs.

What we really need is price transparency and a free market. The third party payer system, where nobody knows what anything costs upfront because prices are negotiated after the fact between huge hospital systems and "insurance" companies, and the consumer has nothing to do with any of that, is the worst of both worlds.

Funny how Bernie used to bitch about MILLIONaires and the 1% before it came out that he was one, isn't it?

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damn it's like you think i never had physical therapy session to get me hand back into shape, or all the other people visiting the doctor, hospital or physical therapist couldn't afford it

you act as though people can't provide their own means...

and if i get cancer and it's the kind that can be treated then I will get it treated, oh shit if i have to stop working i guess I'll be totally fucked!!! nope i can take medical leave and get well like millions of other american do ever day

stop acting like we're all poor and retarded over and don't know how to plan our lives, does it make your dick hard thinking people can't even survive without handouts?

Healthcare
Pension
8H
9-5

Are socialist successes you dumb fuck.

> muh socialism bad
> list socialists successes as reasons dor pure captialism

>Oh you do at 3 times the cost compared to every other developed country in the world.
germany here, our healthcare has bloated prices, forcing every citizen to pay 15,9% of our income for it alone (total brutto taxrate is ~42% depending on income class), and with purchase taxes, we look at a ~74% taxrate in total.

yea, real cheap, dipshit.

also, since the state just keeps spending, costs for all social services (including treatment and medication) are on a constant rise, since the principle of profitability doesn't apply. So no self-regulating prices on supply/demand.
Made worse by an absolutey attrociously organized bureaucratic machine. Almost no digitalization, and where it has its foot into the door, no central communication.

so IF we still get our services 3 times cheaper than the US, I blame a glitch in the matrix.

he doesn't have to act like people cant afford shit because the majority of people CANT afford to get cancer and treat it properly or lose a limb and be ok or one of the other million circumstances that can lead to medical bankruptcy. You're one of those "well, if it doesn't affect me..." kind of people eh

That totally invalidates his entire plateform eh

OP because they are NUTS like him

Sorry in my bad socialist system I still have

- better and free security (healthcare, unemployment benefits, free education)
- better social mobility
- better wagegrowth
- better infrastructure
- better education
- better postcrisis recovery (lul what crisis)

Let me laugh at your Idea of what handouts are or how society is supposed to work a bit more please.

Again, the right wingers did a great job of making you all vote against your own economic interests while calling it "the american dream"

m.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2VatQp6fc

>9-5 workdays are socialism!
What a retard

Ohmagahd, almost as if he learned more and realized that its the billionaires who have the amount of wealth capable of fucking up everything more than millionaires ever could.
But I get it, his opinion slightly changed after getting new facts, almost like science.
Must be some witchcraft shit in your eyes.

>Are socialist successes you dumb fuck.
wrong, it were social successes.

One of the first people to deploy social coverage for hie workers was Carl Zeiss. One of the richest fuckers around here back then, who lead his company to success by keeping his workers motivated.

his modell then got adopted in more and more companies, eventually leading to apolicy change in germany.
yea, real "socialist" acomplishment, tested and impelented by the very enemy, the rich company owner, that simply understood that making your workers happy, increases productivity.

open a history book, will ya?
the socialist movement was always quick to mark sucesses and advancements, done by society at large, as the direct result of their fringe cult.

and where socialists actually got a foot into the door, violent oppression and crimes against humanity soon followed.

Makes him a fucking hypocrite

Compare german and us wagegrowth since 1979.

You're the perfect neoliberal project of europe.

So you're fucked as well.

Why do the conservatives and incels love to role play so much?

Why do you think dou have those?

Could it be because or left wing unions kn the british factories of the 19th century? :,D

I mean, seriously, they didn't even had the voting power to make these changes back then.
it took a fucking world war and collapse of the old system for them to even get an iota of influence (weimar republik), only to be steamrolled by their more brutish bretheren (fascists) soon after.

His point still stands. Do you even realize that he has like a 2mil net worth and that's not exactly balling for someone his age. His whole point is that people who can afford to lobby govt shouldn't be able to do it.

Go ahead, attack the least wealthy person in the race while ignoring how ridiculously rich the other guys are lulz

Or, he changed his wording because he BECAME a millionaire and a member of the 1%

see
because it was profitable and the less-assholish thing to do.
no socialism involved.
just a social revolution from the top down.

Sssshhhh! You're not supposed to say that! You're supposed to say that all improvements in working conditions are because of unions, even though unions didn't exist or didn't have any power when most of those improvements were instituted.

my point exactly.
and currently the EU goes apeshit to cover the 75 billion brought in by the UK previously, kek.

Who's your non-hypocrite candidate of choice?

What's even funnier, is you retards are against him going after any increase in taxes to the rich already.
So then he's like, ok fine, we will narrow it even more and only do major increases on the absolute smallest population who has absolutely unfathomable amounts of wealth
And somehow that has you cucks reeeeing even more than before lol.
Jesus Christ, have some fucking consistency for once.

trump.
he's an asshole and openly admits to be.
and his successes in office still make you reeeeeeeee to this day.

>openly admits to be.
I love how people say this as if its a good thing
Self aware assholes are the worst kind, and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that its the personality type you sheep gladly fall in line behind.

The only reason labour ever got anything from captial was because of unionization and strikes.

You think captial "gave" the 9 to 5 to their workers because of the goodness of their hearts? How much did capital "give" to labour since 1979?

Again: You are indoctrinated sheep voting against your own economic interests.

they bought him a house last time in return for supporting hillary. i dont understand why you cucks keep believing that he "can't be bought"

yea, because honesty and calling the sheep by its name are bad, right?
rather flower your words with sweet hypocrisy and promise castles in the sky...
You get lied to knowingly, and you love it, too.

Answer yourself honestly: Who's truly better off?

Why were 7 of 14 inflation spikes since 1350 in the 1970ies?

Why did labours share of productivity gains decrease by 95% since 1978?

Why are you this fucking dumb?

>The only reason labour ever got anything from captial was because of unionization and strikes.
Not in germany, and we were the first to go down this route.
Sure, it took strikes and unionization in other countries to make the same progress, but especially unions are a flawed concept that all too often got abused for political gain of single individuals or organized crime.

happens if you force your coworkers to sign memberships, to protect them from being bullied out of their workplaces.

How do you guys feel about Salt and Vinegar chips?

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>How much did capital "give" to labour since 1979?
sorry, class warfare is a game no sane person engages in.
we are one society. Some take risks to create workplaces, others enjoy the security a monthly wage provides. And if you don't like your work contract, walk away to greener pastures, or open your own business.
Since enough people do this already anyways, companies are in competition against each other, to offer the best workplace conditions for their skilled employees, lest they loose it to the competition.
so as long as this relationship between competition and free choice keeps being maintained, everyone profits.
unless you go for a gender studies degree, or expect freebe's for doing nothing.

I can buy a fucking industrial size lathe from Amazon and have it delivered to my home for free in 1 day. Tell me where this is the case anywhere but America? But oh no, I'm a slave to the corporations! The ones who give me shiny new things for fractions of cost and make my life so much more comfortable! Oh no!

There are thousands more examples but I don't have all day to chase the goal post you will undoubtedly move over and over.

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>I can buy a fucking industrial size lathe from Amazon and have it delivered to my home for free in 1 day
well, it applies to most of europe, too.
give or take some days.

If you pay 8& in annual income in taxes in a socialist country then you are most likely unemployed and living on welfare. You have to pay back 8% of your welfare to pay for other welfare. Enjoy your internet cafe shitposting. Do you even have access to running water?

>2014
So, is explaining a joke to you considered a "moving goal-post", too?

You can thank America for that.

TRUMP SUPPORTERS VOTE BERNIE IN YOUR PRIMARIES. OPERATION CHAOS IS A THING.

ok.
thx canada?

Hey fellow Saturday goys..... Do you not realize who this is? He is the conformation of their superiority.

EVERY SINGLE TIME someone calls Trump out, one of his cult followers says he was joking. You people will believe anything.

How about him calling Obama out for golfing or maybe calling Obama out for his use of executive orders? Can't wait for you to move that goal post again

So you really are this dumb.

Why do all the Euro's in this thread talk about socialism as if their countries are socialist? Not a single European country is socialist, just capitalistic with welfare programs. Do they not know the difference?

The first to make substantial progress were the french in 1848

>one of his cult followers says he was joking.
err, so you sincerely believe he wasn't?
m8, mental health treatment might be a better way to spend your time, instead of triggering yourself on Yea Forums.

I make 85k swiss francs a year, working in IT

>How about him calling Obama out for golfing
presidential free time takes security measurements in all cases. So the tax-payer always pays those.
The activity itself got paid out of trumps own pocket, while obama used taxpayermoney on that one, too.

I know you will spasm some more in a second, but these are the facts.

I say it again.

Americunts do NOT understand what socialism means.

Wow, your eternally stupid, damn son! Give me 60 percent of your money cause you are fucking stupid and can't think for your own god damn self.

Guess the other two examples didnt count

Switz is not a socialist country.

Name one socialist country in Europe.

European here, and I agree.
And as a former GDR citizen, i know what socialism looks from the inside.
Seriously, berny voters are in grave denial.

It means you can't manage your own money, you irresponsible fruitcake.

Guess you don't know how much tax payer money is being paid TO TRUMP by the tax payer for him staying at HIS OWN hotels and playing golf at HIS OWN courses. I know you will just ignore the facts but those is the facts... not the alternative facts but like actual fact facts.

I say it again you don't know what socialism means.

70% of our population would call themselves socialist in one form or another.

> muh durr bernie calls himself a socalist
> muh durr the gulags are coming if he gets elected

see
seriously, calm down.
take a benzo or something. Getting fucked by your dog, or smoking pot might help, too.
whatever people like you do to get their bloodpressure back in check.

Then why do I have free healthcare and you don't?

We left your punk assess because no taxation without representation. Thanks to our jewish overlords, it's time to give up your gold again.

like, 0?
and I'm sure you'll post sources now, detailing sums in the millions.
issue is, these are the afforementioned security costs.

You can call yourself a socialist all you want, it just makes you sound dumber. You can't answer my question cause it doesn't matter what YOU think of yourself, not a single COUNTRY in Europe is socialist. I can call myself a Nazi, but my country isn't fascist.

I actually like the things Bernie says. He is remarkably consistent.

But three things:
He is not even a Democrat.
He has never passed or accomplished anything.
He has no way to pay for his ideas.

yea i am, it doesn't affect me, you are not entitled to my labor

people die all the time, it's a part of life and if you can't afford to buy more time then so long bum, life's a bitch and then you die

If you have a job in America you have free healthcare.

Again GDR =! socialism

socialism is one of three major political movements the others are liberalism and conservativsm.

captialism with welfare state is more socialism than liberalism.

Again you don't understand the words you are using.

Now go get an education.

If you can afford it that is.

Mine is free.

err, no.
I mean, yes - your education system is attrocious, so it makes sense for your population to self-identify as that (or more accurately, a minority assigning the mayority as socialist, because said minority believs that support for supposed inherent socialist agendas(supporting healthcare being such a wrongly assigned policy), would make it appropriate to classify them as socialist, too), but that doesn't change the fact that you are factually wrong.

You are just wrong, you can make your own "definition" for what you think socialism is but at the end of the day it is contradictory to any form of capitalism.

Socialism : a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Just because you have a welfare system that "gives back to the poor" doesn't make it socialist you dumb twat, it makes it humanitarian.

What is covered in yours?

I don't even need a job and I have healthcare.

With EVERYTHING covered.

Again, you don't understand the words you are using. Please use the political definitions we educated people habe agreed on.

GDR's leading party (the one that violently oppressed all others) was called:
SED - Sozialistische Einheit Deutschlands
translated: Socialist Union (of) Germany

Your argument is invalid.

I forgot Americans don't get free education (we do). Also still waiting for you name name just one European country that is socialist.

What is your definition then Mr. High Education?

You start a "debate" and end your argument with "and i'm sure now you'll prove me wrong but you're wrong" lol you fucking suck at debating.

...and the answer is FAR from $0. You really should look things up. You shouldn't even have to rely on some guy on Yea Forums to tell you these kinds of things. Seriously, don't be a fucking retard and look it up. Its most certainly not ZERO and they're not just "security costs". He's pocketing the costs of him staying at his own properties and you're just like "yeah but i love him" lol oof

Again, the party name doesn't reflect political category.

Or what is social democratic about the SPD?

Or what is Christian about the CDU?

Socialism, Conservatism and Liberalism.

You don't get any other.

Well not EVERYTHING. You have access to none of the state of the art experimental treatments that only the US has available.

are said "educated people" by any chance self identified socialist?
because outside of their thought bubble, there is a very large group of proffessors of sociology who'd disagree with you (and what you imply to be their stance on the matter).

Yeah your public schools are really great :-D

sociology != political science

They are for the most part. All our numbers just get pulled down by all the niggers and illegals. If we could just a sub section of America the size of say Denmark, in a mostly white/asian area, then all of our metrics would be number one. Unfortunately we have white trash in the South, Niggers in Chicago, and illegal mexicans in California and Texas

Do you have access to it?

Neither do you or 99.97% of the us population.

But you are great at selling it to rich saudis or russians

poly sci is a sub-science of sociology, much like physics is a sub-science of Mathematics, and chemistry is a sub-science of physics.

I do

>Or what is social democratic about the SPD?
Their agenda 2010 for ecample. A plain social-democratic policy-bundle to combat unemployment.

>Or what is Christian about the CDU?
Their long held anti-gay marriage stance f.e. just changed about 4 years ago, and this party has about 75 years to look back onto.

yea, keep struggeling, but your argument (and by extend your understanding of socialism vs. social policies) is still invalid.

Considering who makes up the republicans voter base and that they have been voting against their own economic interests since reagan, I doubt that.

Minorities have literally voted democrat their entire lives, and they are still a shithole community.

then please get a CRISPR treatment done on your DNA, to edit the dumb out of you.

That escalated quickly. Jealous party of one?

You're right and I just love how user lumps himself in with the smartest of the whites.

Pro big finance, Hartz 4 and neoliberalism are not social democratic policies.

Really? What about "Nächstenliebe" and Hartz 4?

My understanding is quite valid while your argument boils down to "I lived in the GDR understand nothing about the words I'm using but as I lived there i know socialism is bad"

Meanwhile "liberal elites" is a republican catch phrase.

>can't be bought...

"Once again I am asking for your financial support!"

did you just learn about CRISPR and shoehorned it into the conversation to make yourself sound smart?

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>What about "Nächstenliebe" and Hartz 4?
It's more like "Fördern und Fordern", but thank you for trying.

Democrats have been neolib since clinton.

Bernie is, as I said, the system reset.

if it brightens your day, I'm fine with you believing that.

It's true though, a bunch of wealthy white guys that spout democrat and free hand-outs to minorities to essentially buy their votes, while they do little to nothing for said minorities they claim to want to help. I live in Chicago and they have been doing this routine for 70 years, and the black community is still drug addicted, homeless, and shooting each other. But oh boy, every election cycle those Dem's go out and say they are going to fix all the black's problems!

How many unemployed does germany have? 3.5 million?

How many open jobs are there? 1 million?

You don't have enough Jobs.

So how can you "fordern" anything if you don't provide the job?

Poor whites have a lot of the same as poor blacks... If only I could figure out what they have in common...

bernie will ignore the minorities just like he did in vermont

You are half right. Bernie is a system crash. Maybe we can use the dump log to find out what went wrong though.

voting democrat?

Also wasn't harz 4 supposed to go to 700 EUR + as an adjustment to what is needed to quote the law "eine teilnahme am gesellschaftlichen Leben zu ermöglichen" and was the blocked by the CDU? Is not following the law a christian value?

Am I still waiting for a single user to name a single socialist country in Europe?

If he forgives student loans and breaks up the banks he frees an entire generation of debt and allowes them to acquire assets while stopping the distortion of the state having to save "too big too fail" banks from happening again.

I don't care about minorities but these two things alone would hard reset the system

Again you don't know your words.

I say socialist you say

> hurr durr captialist with welfare state

It's like speaking with a toddler.

God damn this man cannot answer the question.

No, dingus... being poor. You know red states are like the poorest ones, right?

As an appendix if too big too fail goes away you can let banks crash.

This would mean that the creditor class would lose their investments -> the rich do not get saved anymore

The only problem with forgiving student debt is what do you do with all the people who actually paid off their student debt by either working or saving? I personally would give them all a huge tax break for 4 years if they did pay back all their loans, but Bernie/Warren will never do that. Also going forward, what is the new plan with schooling? Is all upper level education going to be free now?

God damn this american still doesn't understand the different usage of the word socialism in

USA (300 Mil)

> hurr durr gulag

rest of the world (7.7 Bil)

> redistributionj

If you managed to pay of your student debt you're already in the top 20th % in terms of income distribution and don't need a tax break.

Yeah all upper level education should be free.

If you don't have any money the state should even pay for you to go to school (the way it happens in every other developed nation in the world).

>If you managed to pay of your student debt you're already in the top 20th % in terms of income distribution and don't need a tax break.

This is just false. It's called good financial planning. There should be no incentive given to people for poor financial planning.

You mean it's called

"graduating when there are enough good paying jobs in the field you studied or having your daddy set you up in a job you otherwise couldn't get"?

hurr dur anyone who isn't rich just doesn't work hard enough!

>(hard) and on guns.
You're a retarded fud faggot if you believe this. Trump is firmly anti gun and said in the WRONG ROOM that he would take our guns. While Sandars says he respects the constitution and the bill of rights and would not send feds to take my guns.

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Hes not even smart enough to know this goes against everything his base is for