Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of mankind. Not once

The "democratic socialism" of AOC, Sanders, and others is just normal Social Democracy and works just fine in Europe and elsewhere.

Also, with the advent of computers and the internet, socialism-communism in the "let's make an economic plan"-sense needs to be reevaluated because nowadays we may have the planning capacities they lacked in the "ancient" Soviet Union.

(Doesn't solve the economic calculation problem, though.)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be the first female US president.

She should share her boobies, because I don't have any.

Reminder : OP is gay and pays meth hookers for sex.

Promoting community health with public funds is a staple of modern society, only Americans are too retarded figure this out which is why they crack and shoot each other/lock their doors at night

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Why do you post this lame shit everyday?

Meth hookers are the best.

We're going to need to switch to a system other than capitalist soon enough. It's believed that in only 40 years 99% of all jobs will be capable of being done by machines and AI.
So we're either going to need a new system of living, or we're going to have to start creating laws to limit companies creating a mechanized workforce.

I'm not terrified of her; I'm terrified of the collective amount of stupidity that got her elected.

That is a horrible, destructive power.

O god you again
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99% in 40 years huh? Seems a bit optimistic. What is everyone going to do when there is nothing to do?

Providing healthcare and education to US citizens won't turn the country into a socialist dystopia.

What do you mean succeeded? Because communist countries have succeeded and so have socialist ones. You have some arbitrary measure of 'success' that you will change as soon as anyone meets it and ignore wrt the US.

lol remember when we made newfags think being right wing was cool? it worked, and now we get all the bitches. only shitty part is all these incels keep shooting shit up now. maybe one day we should explain to them how pepe, kek, and promoting trump as good was all a joke.. ahhh fuck it.

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Lol once you get trolled into building a statue of Hitler in your backyard it's really hard to admit that you were trolled into oblivion regardless of how many people are laughing at you.

>Soviet Union succeeds until market reforms (capitalism) in the 60s that take still 30 years of sabotage
>capitalism kills millions within 10 years that is actually detectable on population shift
>unlike accused "victims of communism" actually being traceable

>"it's socialisms fault!"

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rent free

Why doesn't anyone mention Yugoslavia when talking about this?

These two have the repugs running scared!

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Imagine how we feel about Trump then.

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Name one transgender climate activist who's more badass than Greta.
Protip: You can't!

Indeed. Unfortunately her rise in popularity directly depended on that becoming the baseline for american politics.

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But Sweden worked better under the ruel of a strong socialist government

And gave us Greta!

America is a socialist country right now.

Welfare, SS, etc.

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literal. fucking. autism.

wait I thought america was socialist due to all the welfare and healthcare?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Imagine being this cucked. We're all gonna die like this.

Communism, not Socialism. America is already Capitalist and Socialist.

Is OP serious? Look at some pics of North Korea pre and post-Kim Il-Sung. Mao's China achieved wonders as well.

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Also Hitler's Germany

It's likely OP marks success as quality of life, freedom, and ability to survive without being murdered by your government.

>capitalism kills
>look, comrade, gulag is good business, goodbye

Wew lad, just wew.

Basically anyone can invalidate your argument by naming a single communist or socialist civilization that wasn't reduced to an oppressive dictatorship.

Reread friendo, that's what I was saying.

please elaborate

trump gave farmers 16 trillion, cause he cant make a deal with ching cong. look inward faggot

All of the oecd counties are socialist, autistic idiot

All of these pseudo socialist countries in Europe have a much stricter immigration policies as well.

Wait, so all of these rich fucks and mega-corps not paying taxes, i.e. using government services for free, isn't Socialism?

That’s not socialism

No, those are the result of corruption and special deals, still capitalism, just poorly regulated.

Imagine getting to have her in the bouncy Boston bartender stage of her life

The only thing that will save this burning country is if people finally realize that Congressmen don't need 6 figure salaries

Using taxpayer funds to pay farmers for food they produce isn't socialism, but using taxpayer funds to pay medical providers for treatment they give is?

everyone is constantly conflating social programs with socialism.

True. So, back to the top of this thread. This thread is meaningless.

Please explain your differentiation between 'social programs' and socialism.

that depends, if AOC want's to convert America to socialism then it makes sense, if she just wants social programs then i agree

>socialism has never succeeded in any country

Only because YOU are defining the word "socialism" to mean "hard core communism"

There are plenty of European nations with various types of social democracy and they're doing fine, thank you.

America is socialist.
>2008 bailouts
Don’t be naive trollbot

Socialism as a governmental system tears down privately owned business and gives the "means of production" to the workers. Social programs are where a government provides various benefits to people and pays for it by taxing private individuals.

Taxing individuals to pay for a program vs tearing down private business to hand it over to the workers.

The green new deal is literally a plan to control the entire economy.

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Social programs are just to keep poor people poor and quiet.

Yes, they are

that's why we need a hybrid economy, socialize what people need, basic food, shelter, healthcare, and leave the rest to the market

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Plus the next election she won't be able to skip debating her oponnent like last time. She's gonna get murdered by any other candidate with half a brain. This women is borderline retarded. Her plans come off as if written by a child.

America is already more socialist than capitalist y'all are just brainwashed into thinking this is actually capitalism

Exactly everbody should be more like Sweden because socialism doesnt work but capitalism doesn't either.

If Sweden isn't socialist than America wouldnt be either just cus it had universal healthcare or non-food profit schools. Fucking retard

8 of the top 10 countries on the planet for almost all measures of life quality are largely socialist
Also society and politics are anything but black and white

OP is selling an agenda and/or outright retarded

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It works for these countries because uncle sucker spends money defending them. Also the US has some of the most innovating companies on the planet due to low taxes. Take that away and they will go elsewhere, tax revenue shrinks, gov still has to pay all these expensive handouts, middle class taxes rise, unemployment goes up due to companies leaving and middle class having less disposible income, taxes rise, debt hits the limit.....we Greece now.

They didn't have the technology and resources we do now.

A "10-year mobilization" and effort at:

"Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States."
"Providing all people of the United States with – (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature."
"Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States."
"Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources."
"Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including ... by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible."
"Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity."
"Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification."
"Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in – (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail."
"Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible."
"Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible."

It's actually an oligarchy.

That's cause she still has her feminine penis.

>Its is believed.

Post source - there are TONS of jobs that require the nuance that machines just can't possibly. I could see maybe as high as 80%, but 99% sounds like absolute bullshit. I mean lets just look at media alone - coming up with the idea for a film and then all the jobs that surround that industry would be hard or too cost ineffective to be worthwhile.

But you are right - we need a new system of living. Lets say all food production/shelter creation is handled by machines - there's no longer a need to work to have your base needs met. Now, humanities and the more creative industries take over as a means of work, and money is purely traded for such things.

Pure insanity.

Yeah man, I'd try socialism if we got rid of illegals and lifetime welfare scum.

*technocracy

She probably never shuts the fuck up.

Term limits, no pension, put them on Medicare. And how bout them motherfuckers release their tax records.

If our country did any of those things, we'd be dooomed!

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Get rid of Cartels & Congress

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>For the intellectually inferior, Sweden isn't socialist. Neither are parks.
Cool, then we're not asking for socialist shit then are we?

What democrats are saying:

"Some issues in our society are predominately caused by the riches 2%.
People who are suffering aren't able to help themselves because the 2 % are actively hindering them. Let's try to make the situation better."

What conservatives ("Christians", kek) pretend to understand, so they can make up a case to argue a gain :
"give free sheeeeit to every one. white race genociiiiiide happening nao "

Also, lets outbreed white race. Someone hand me a colorful bitch.

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Reminder: no civilization ever has survived shutting itself off from the rest of the world. Ever.

>It works for these countries because uncle sucker spends money defending them.
Then NATO members Spain, Greece and Turkey should have been better of than non-members Sweden and Finland.
Also, a lot of countries would only be slightly less social democratic if they invested more in their military.

> Also the US has some of the most innovating companies on the planet due to low taxes. Take that away and they will go elsewhere, tax revenue shrinks, gov still has to pay all these expensive handouts, middle class taxes rise, unemployment goes up due to companies leaving and middle class having less disposible income, taxes rise, debt hits the limit.....we Greece now.
Sweden has low corporate taxes, so do other nations.
The US were innovative even when they had higher taxes than now.
Also, you can finance your welfare state and your public services with a progressive income tax and social security contributions.

It's retarded to assume you could get this done in just ten years.

Maybe so, but its just a resolution that would act as guidance when developing other laws and policies going forward.

It's hard to succeed when the CIA stages a coup in your country and the presidential palace gets bombed by aircraft while the people are gathered in order to be assassinated.

Also, don't elect them, but draw lots from a pool of all the candidates in a county/district who could collect more than X signatures.
No campaigns anymore, no collecting of money by special interests etc.

>Not in the slightest. I'm a fan of hers actually. The more extreme garbage she spews, the more she fractures the left. A fractured left is a good left.
You know... she's like Donald Trump for Republicans.

It should be "in 25 years" or "in one generation" or "by the middle of the century" or something like that.

It’s just a wishlist. Something to strive for. Note all the mentions “technologically feasible”

No is going to ban airplanes and cows ya dingus.

Not sure how that's relevant to a one-night stand, but it's nothing a spitroast wouldn't fix either

>OP is selling an agenda and/or outright retarded
OP is posting his daily pasta like a good little bitch.

Why so scared of Socialism? Capitalism has failed throughout the world - Africa, Latin America, US. It's time to give some Socialist programs a try. Social Security and MediCare have been popular in the US. I say up that game and clean it up.

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>socialism has never succeeded
>what about the Scandinavian model?
>that’s not socialism
>Great! Let’s do that!
>BUT THATS SOCIALISM!

This thread every fucking time.

Fear isn't the emotion your looking for, its disgust.

Wish list from an 8 year old child.
Let's start with garunteed job with wage high enough wage to raise a family on. I have a hard job. If I was garunteed a job that paid well, I would not want to do my job. No one would. No one would want to do the dangerous work. No one would want the job working 15 stories up welding girders. Give me the job where I sit at a comfy air-conditioned desk and answer a few phone calls. Or are you going to force me up on that building? I'm sure I'll do a stellar job as a slave.
But I won't get that cush job. That will get handed out to friends and family members of the politicians who now control everything.
Plus, once again, you force these companies into paying bloat jobs that do nothing , they will leave. Then what. One big country of government workers?

They’re going to be millionaires one day don’t you know?

Maybe...just maybe we’ve all been underpaid.

I fix highly automated machines for a living. I work on state of the art shit. We aren't even close to building something that needs the critical thinking and dexterity that I need to do my job.

Retard

>>creating laws to limit companies creating a mechanized workforce

Lol, yeah. Just what we need. A form of government that deliberately stifles innovation.

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Does one of these machines replace just on job?

Do you work on just one machine, or many?

That complicated, machine/AI maintenance jobs will still exist doesn't mean that a substantial number of jobs in traditional work will still exist.

Sweden is defended because of the huge US buildup right next door. Greece and the others you mentioned are why big government handout programs can fail. Once you give someone something it becomes theirs. You try and stop giving it to them and you are taking something of theirs away from them. Greeks didn't want the austerity that would fix things.

One thing I agree with you. Social security could be fixed today if they got rid of the cap.

I too find it a little bit unusual that she won't debate anyone at all. Especially considering her assertion that her position is so strong.

She would get massacred.

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I wish we could get the money out of the equation. Have three televised debates . People make their decision on that, not some bullshit lie ad.

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I have a paid for house. Paid for cars. Nice stuff. I get paid well.
Maybe you need to better yourself and your job.

What about China? What about Cuba? Both socialist. Both doing fine. The fall of the soviet union was caused by unfair trade practices by the United States, not their own economic system.

Completely agree.

People can't do what these machines do. I'm not arguing machines aren't replacing people . But these machines and other machines have to be designed , built, maintained, and operated. Workforce will change over time.
Btw, how many of you crying about machines replacing people , use the self checkout? I refuse to use it and would rather stand in line for a cashier then enable the store to fire people.

Dude, I'm the same way. Automation is killing us. Before long, even farming will become automated. Then the illegals won't have work. Come to think of it, keep it up. They'll be less likely to invade if they don't have work to look forward to.

Cool, so let's do what Sweeden does then.

That meme was tremendously effective

AOC was an absolute nobody and would have continued to of been but you stupid fucking right ring faggots have an obsession with her. Now people in the center that do not necessarily agree with all of what she says has worry about it because you imbeciles gave her a platform.

What kills more: Obesity or starvation
Next up: If you had a rat's ass, would you give give one?

Imagine shitting on a whole political spectrum unironically

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No, the Dems and the media turned her into a "rising star".