Why would you support either of these parties?

Because the Democrats represent the Common Good.

Um. Not so much.
Note: its the economy, stupid.
If the economy goes south, the bad orange man likely loses.

That's irrelevant to whether there's any socialist legislation being pushed by the Dems. And there's none. Republicans lie or don't understand the conflation with the Welfare state.

There are literally no communists in the Democratic Party. Sanders, AOC and a few others are Democratic Socialists, a term you clearly have no knowledge of.

His approval ratings have never breached 50% in spite of the good economy he wants to take credit for.
So no, there's more going on.

>His approval ratings have never breached 41%
fixed

Because the third party pool is pointless. If they are lucky they may pull 5%. Why waste you’re vote. You have to pick between the douche and the turd that’s the rules.

you are currently being willfully ignorant or you are practicing Taqqiya. either way you need to pull your head out of your ass and actually look at whats going on with the "Democratic" party.

>the douche and the turd
We've had turds the past few elections. No douches.

He walked in with 45% in 2017.
Literally the only time his approval was higher than his disapproval (43%).

his approval ratings according to who? who is responsible for the polls?

Keep telling yourself that. If you were for the common good. Your party wouldn’t be trying to appeal god given rights.

Is there a push to reform government where workers own the means of production with a centrally planned economy?
No.
>you are practicing Taqqiya
kek shut your dumbass up, Sargon

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

I don't.

The only one out of the loop is you. Putting democratic in front of socialism doesn’t change the outcome.

Republicans

who else?
Come on get in with the hivemind

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trump is the epitome of a douche. thats why people cant stand him. jealousy/resentment of oneself causes irrational behaviour. they guy knew how to play the game and now hes doing no worse than any other president weve had in the last 30 years.

>Keep telling yourself that.
I don't have to. Apparently you do need to be reminded.

Remember the Million Man March? That's when lying about crowd sizes became institutionalized.

>to appeal god given rights
autism?

There’s always a douche and always a turd. No exceptions.

>The only one out of the loop is you
mad

The same people who predicted Hillary had a 99% chance of winning.

>doesn’t change the outcome.
you're right
you'll still be stupid and ignorant about it

I oppose the Republican party but I don't think of myself as a Democrat and remain unaffiliated.

I was thinking more turd
as douche carries a certain attitude. Turds just float.

I'm sure Obama was a douche to you. To the rest of us, we'd like to have him back in office again.

>>relies on mainstream media for data
>>is a 2 year old article
>>the bias is still unaccounted for

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Just make sure your state doesn't try to make you claim membership or affiliation in order to vote. Because that's bullshit and I'm a proud Dem.

The polls didn't take Russia or Comey into consideration.

Trump wanted to say pictures were fake news.

>2 year article
It's always updated

Nobody wants Obama back. Bailed out the banks for nothing, extended the recession, passed a huge new entitlement at absolutely the worse time, spent 6 years doing nothing except allowing international problems to fester, and then signed a bunch of executive at the last minute that got rescinded.

>>where are they taking these "polls"?

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because you have no choice, unless there is voting reform we can't get away from them

...

Some of them were, there was some pretty blatant misrepresentions. Crowd sizes are always dirty lies, politicians of all stripes like, nad now the media doesn't even pretend they care about the truth.

>Nobody wants Obama back
Yes we do. Any poll shows he is revered. As for your criticisms? Elect fewer Republicans. Let the Democratic Majority in Congress last more than just 2 years.

At least you admit he had a majority in Congress, it's amazing how many tards on this site argue that the ACA had bipartisan support.

>stop electing Republicans
fixed

Because it is a horribly broken two party system that rely's on winner take all politics that has ended all compromise in this country and will lead us to a civil war.

BUT HEY! AT LEAST WE AINT SOCIALIST AMIRIGHT!?!?

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>the ACA had bipartisan support.
not even
the Republicans declined hearing after hearing. They became the party of bullying and obstruction and fuck, it worked. Fucked the country, worked for them.

>it is a horribly broken two party system
no it isn't dipshit
people don't participate in it and let the far right take over

I'm really fucking sick of everything being framed to where Trump is always a victim.
One would hope he would know he was a controversial President with not nearly the cultural significance as Obama's election.
It wouldn't have been a big deal. He made it one, and was doing weird shit like bussing senators over to the white house to show a map of all the states he wanted.
It's unadulterated narcissism. We have to debate over his fake reality.

*all the states he won

>The ACA Fucked the country
Agreed.
>if you're going to misquote someone...

youre always going to think turd. the media has turned most everyone into shit-for-brains.
hes said some douchey shit in the campaign. hes said and done some douchey shit in his life.

>>lets call him a racist, xenphobic bigot because its gets views.

Sanders is right.
youtube.com/watch?v=d2dLmxdkJBI

Of course they don't participate in it you absolute fucking average american. NOBODY feels represented on any fucking side. Even the fucking republicans think they are stuck with either a religious nutjob or a fucking rino whenever they win.

All the left has is gun grabbers and Conservative Lite. Who the fuck is represented by any of these fucking assholes?

I was addressing that comment. I knew immediately it didn't look right. Sorry dude.

>not a real democrat

Get that dino out of here.

It will work this time right? because this time we are trying your perfect brand of it that is tots different then all the other forms that have failed and dragged nations down for generations!

>lets call him a racist, xenphobic bigot because its gets views.
which is funny because he hates that even though it got him elected

thankfully not in Ohio, but it's getting redder by the year unfortunately.

You're a moron. Where did I say Trump was a victim? I've been talking about how crowd sizes are distorted, and how the news misrepresent things so badly they're effectively lying. These things are important, a lot more important than a bombastic president bragging.

>NOBODY feels represented on any fucking side
You mean YOU don't. Because you're a dipshit.

um even apolitical ppl can see Trump is a flocking wacko

No problem.

>All the left has is gun grabbers
You're literally an idiot.
>the left is Conservative Lite
do you haven any idea how retarded this sounds?

>politicians are good people, they believe what I believe!
my sides

hillary hand picking him as her opponent is what got him elected. that dumb cunt should have known she would never be president.

Democratic socialism already works, user. And it worked under FDR. Your problem is you think it means North Korea or Venezuela. You're an idiot.

give some examples?

>>posts opinion editorials claiming to be legitimate news.

Ohio puts ballot initiatives on the primaries, when unaffiliated voters can't vote for anyone. That's sleazy as fuck and disenfranchises the people who don't have a party affiliation.

West Coastie here. Ohio's fucked up state. I couldn't imagine trying to fit in there.

.bce Betroll67Multiplier 4

You'd best be samefagging.

FDR put this country in the position its in now by enacting all the fucking social welfare bullshit that has made this country weak.

>Hillary chose Trump to be the nominee
tinfoil detected

FDR's policies extended the Great Depression until WW2, so by "worked" you mean failed disastrously.

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Nigger

I believe what Sanders and Warren believe. They're politicians. I'm voting for one of them.

Midwesterner here, you should clean up your own shit before you start criticizing anyone

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>FDR's policies extended the Great Depression until WW2
no they didn't dipshit

/thread, FDR wasn’t the god figure we were taught in school. He was super authoritarian in pretty much every way. Not to mention his attempt the stack the Supreme Court and change it completely in 1936

You believe she's an indian? kek

We are still the top GDP, user. Not sure what you mean by "weak." Because they wouldn't shoot niggers?

Are you really denying that she propped up trump as the best republican opponent for her to run against her? She thought it would be an easy victory. This was easily verifiable information even during the election campaign.

They absolutely did. Harding had a similar economic downturn a few years before, but you know what he did? Nothing. And it went away almost overnight.

Because i like the way it feels when that elephant trunk stokes my cock while the donkey fucks my asshole.

You righties are totally obsessed with stories about shit on the sidewalk. You might get some help for that OCD.

I believe you're a massive faggot. In fact, I'm sure of it.

I'm sure that's just more evidence of Russian collusion

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Yeah your shit is pretty tinfoilly. I've never heard that one.

itt: seething libturds

both parties are shit.
Dems are off the rails looney, and Pubs like to talk big, but are terrified of their shadow.
I used to be a Pub, but i refuse to endorse weakness with my vote.
Also, neither party cares about the future, because both spend our money like there's no tomorrow. Yay default?

>and how the news misrepresent things so badly they're effectively lying
They didn't in this case.

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You lefties are used it. Enjoy your medieval plagues, like typhus.

>Everybody I didn't like was bad like Harding
You have a really amusing revisionist version of history user.

Weak in the sense that an overwhelming number of americans today dont even feel like they need to work or earn anything because the government will just give them some food stamps and a welfare check and they can do nothing and be nothing.

>austere measures are awesome
sounds like you suck some pretty righteous right wing economist cock user

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>muh BSAB
this is how Trump got elected

Actually enjoy the progressive government we elect in 2020. No wait, you're going to have a massive shitfit over it.

That's not the comparison that was made. You might want to learn some basic English, and then brush up on your history.

>an overwhelming number of americans today dont even feel like they need to work or earn anything

Oh! Do you know these people? Did you ask them personally or...?

your shit is pretty ignorant, all it takes is a simple content search. Its not a secret now and it wasnt during the election either.

If you spend and spend and spend until you run down your bank accounts, max out your credit cards, and your mom stops returning your calls, that's not "austere" (austerity). That just means you're out of money.

I won't vote for either major party, full stop, and if it makes both sides angry and cry, I really don't give a damn anymore.

>because the government will just give them some food stamps and a welfare check and they can do nothing and be nothing
yeah it's totally their fault huge companies don't have decent high paying jobs, just shit. And you're probably anti- raising the minimum wage, too. Still you blame the victims.

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The widespread media coverage of the Democratic debates has pretty much guaranteed Trump victory in 2020.

This
just check BreitBart

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You tried to compare one of the best Presidents to one of the failures.
And FDR got elected because he gave the people a New Deal and it was working.

lmao breibart gtfo with that stupid brainstem shit

seething libcuck

/thread, the dems are truly in a dumpster fire. In reality the second the original number of candidates running for the dem ticket, I thought to myself. The field is so saturated, it will cause rabid infighting very easily. Everything derails and goes up in flames for them

you have to be a troll at this point.

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>spending is so bad
user you're one of those idiots who gets mad when government spends for the people instead of keeping your rich buddies taxes non-existent. You literally suck right wing econo-cock.

Neither can I, but I'm also not in favor of mega corporations running the world the way they are now.

>In reality the second the original number of candidates running for the dem ticket, I thought to myself. The field is so saturated
that happens every election you fucking underage dipshit

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It is possible just enough dipshits like you might enable another Trump win, agreed.

fuck off with that opinion editorial bullshit.

>Breitbart
I haven't even heard of anything that stupid there. It's probably InfoWhores.

mind boggling

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I thought the field for the repubs was too large in 2016, it surprised me it worked out. And they had 16, the dems originally had twenty fuckin eight candidates. Twenty fuckin eight, that’s literally like 5-6 times the usual

Autism, of course

What they have in common is they wanted to take control. From Obama, now from Trump. It's not surprising at all so many were motivated to enter the race. Except the Republicans sucked. Trump only won with Putin's "help."

I compared two specific responses to similar economic situations, you need to stop obsessing about rankings. Even if one is a better president than the other, it doesn't mean everything he did was better, and everything the other president did was worse. You have to learn to judge situations on their merits, and make assessments based on cumulative evidence, not preconceptions. That's quite literally prejudice.

And FDR's standing among historians has been dropping lately, due to several reassessments that make it quite clear his policies didn't help with the Great Depression.

You just make up shit when someone says something you disagree with, so your opinion is irrelevant.

salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

heres even some evidence from a heavily left sided bias source.

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Don’t kid yourself, we’re still more than a year out. By the time of the Democrat Convention the machine will have come together behind one candidate, and the entire media will be raving about how wonderful a candidate they are, how so much better they are than Trump. Doesn’t matter how nasty things get now or what anyone says, when they finally settle on one candidate they will rally around him like the second coming of Jesus.

In 2016 it was only like 3-4 dems that ran vs the 16 repubs. I’m just saying it’s fuckin wild, and it does account for something and effect things

breitbart is literally just toilet paper post shit posted online

>And FDR's standing among historians has been dropping lately,
right wing historians
who the fuck cares about their bullshit

>You have to learn to judge situations on their merits,
Actually you've made up your mind that socialism is this evil thing, so no. You haven't learned anything. You're kind of a control freak, actually.

Nah, the 2016 convention almost went off the hinges. A lot of delegates were pledging to sanders and not Clinton. It got kinda wild, obviously in the end Clinton won the nomination officially. But still that very thing could happen again. Biden is Clinton, Biden will be forced as the nominee and the Warren and Sanders types will be furious yet again and cause civil war

yea sure helps when a foreign nations pulls some strings for you though

because Yea Forums tells me if I make libtards cry then my dick will grow 8 inches. checkm8 faggotz

dude 8 1/2 inches aint gonna do much

nobody has shit to say when the truth comes in. squawk all you want social welfare has nearly crippled this country by making it complacent with the lowest possible amount.

I've heard the spending "argument" too many times, user. You're not a Paultard too?
Less government? In a country of 325 million people? For real?

S E E T H I N G

I hope it affects apathy. As in destroys it.

It's funny, #1 under DNC's goals and strategies to derail the GOP is exactly what the Democratic party did to itself in the 2019 debates.

F A G G O T

>You're not a Paultard too?
Did the MAGAtrain finally kill their legacy? hope so, seems every libertarian went full Pepe

You've lost the ability to actually respond to what people say, and start sperging about things you heard before that are unrelated to the current discussion

It's also hyperbole at best.

yeah thats what I thought. you have nothing to say once youve been shown wrong.

There are essentially no right wing historians, it's a liberal art and they're overwhelming left wing. So no.

I'm saying your understanding of socialism is bottom tier, user. Democratic socialism is democracy and public ownership, user. Not sure why someone would hate that.

that is a leaked memo from the clinton campaign. this is literally the smoking gun and you still wont see it.

>There are essentially no right wing historians
Um, yeah there are, dumbass.

I doubt it.

I haven't even mentioned socialism, user. Try to stay on topic. If you want to invent things, at least stick to unsupported personal attacks.

>>thats not MY socialism though
point to one country on the planet that has embraced socialist government and not either bankrupted its citizens or had to be intervened on by foreign powers due to himanitarian crisis.

Except I never mentioned socialism. You just invalidated your entire argument, because it's based the fantasy world in your head instead of what was actually said in the thread.

of course you do. for fucks sake you cant be helped.

I dont support either party. But I really wish Yellowstone would erupt and wipe us all out

You have no choice but to support either party because the media will never give another party the time of day.
There may be a bunch of other names on the ballot, but you don't know anything about those other guys, do you? Want to know why? Because you are intentionally kept ignorant. When debates happen, does the media even focus on other parties? Hell fucking no! That would never happen in a gorillion years unless that party got at least 30% of the voter's interest through grass roots, but that's a lot of people to reach and it just isn't possible.
Knowing this, you have to vote for the party that makes the most sense to you, even if it's by a grain of sand, and that is because a vote that's not for your ally is a vote for the enemy. Think about it, if just 2 fucking percent of the population voted for an independent as opposed to Democrats, the Republicans would win, or the other way around.
American politics is fucked up, but you can be guaranteed 101% with a 1% chance of inaccuracy that the media is entirely behind it, which brings up the question: who controls the media?...
Hmmm....

I know, right? Fuck those people who think governments should be responsible with money.

You're a control freak. And the topic is democratic socialism. That's how the New Deal got brought up. You are a revisionist armchair historian attempting to paint the political right in a good light, and demonize the good FDR did. Your entire spiel sounds like bad Bill O'Reilly, frankly lol

bruh cmon breitbart is actually a waste of server space

gay

>but durr socialism is like Venezuela or North Korea
faggot shut up.

damn this 14 year old is saucey

You literally just make up things, and get triggered about the things you just invented. It's hilarious user.

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you mean demsocialist or just socialism

I don't need help. You do.

>I'm a bad troll

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he's talking about Democratic Socialism, works well in most of Europe.

Yes, you are.

I asked for ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE and you have to resort to a weak ad hominem.

Absolutely fucking pathetic.

Not really.

>I just literally just make up things about socialism

I never even mentioned socialism, kek. You're raging against yourself.

The New Deal. Public ownership of utilities and other resources user. Law enforcement.
Shit-tons of examples. You're just a seething rwnj baiting like an amateur.

a single example, Please im waiting.

LARPing.
Rand Paul voting against that First Responders bill was Libertarianism in a nutshell. Fantasizing of a time where the US is any position to balance a budget, so he'd willingly deny healthcare to heroes of 9/11 before that happened.

It's a joke.

>no u
bad
troll

>he doesn't realize both parties subscribe to Friedman's ideas about capitalism and have for 30+ years

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France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Denmark...could go on

user you clearly butted in on a discussion you knew nothing about when you started talking shit on FDR. You probably agree with the other idiot I was addressing.
You sure as fuck don't know history.

The New Deal was a failure. We've covered this already.

Sanders and Warren are down with Krugman, so no.

good

>spend spend spend spend spend spend spend!
kek, no wonder we're fucked

>Krugman
the krugger better than Coochie bro(rip)s

Like I said earlier in the thread we should vote for world destruction instead of either party

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>be you
>start a business
>dumped everything you had into this dream not sure if it would work
>10 years business becomes successful
>20 years business becomes corporation
>holy fuck
>didn't expect this
>employ thousands of people
>they can afford to raise or start families now
>pay their insurance
>improving their lives
>you make millions
>of course, it's your business that you put your money and work into for 20 years to develop
>make millions
Or
>spend tens of thousands of your own money to build a house
>sell it for a thousand
Not how it works dummy

just laying groundwork honestly

>The New Deal was a failure.
no it wasn't dipshit
it was an investment in this country that endures even today. Social Security, hydroelectric power and other things.
You are literally an idiot. Stop posting.

I don't care about the rest of the discussion, but you're wrong about FDR. I explained why, and you went full potato.

And "butted in", kek. Really? Nobody is allowed to talk you except your precious little buddy?

gay

just look at what the "New Deal" has given us.
last I checked electric and oil companies are all privately owned businesses.
taxes dont pay your fucking utility bill.
law enforcement is a joke as well, civil servants that have no legal obligation to protect you, yet our taxes pay them to PROTECT AND SERVE.

I would join that party

>but you're wrong about FDR
No I'm not. You responded with some bare assertions that were straight out of the far right. That's how much you hate progress and change in this country. You want austere measures that support an oligarchy with low growth, low employment. You're a turd.

The New Deal extended the Great Depression indefinitely until only a massive change like WW2 was able to overcome it. It wasn't an investment, it was make-work and waste.

Vote for destruction of the human race 2020!

every single one of these countries apart from denmark(maybe) are going through horrible humanitarian crisis right now, at the fault of over burdened, under funded government pipe dreams.

>an independent and one woman will overrule the whole party
Amazingly retarded.

See this guy gets it!

Vote no more humans 2020!

user the goal wasn't to own or nationalize anything. Why do you keep replying if you're just going to be a retard about it?

>The New Deal extended the Great Depression indefinitely
There is literally no evidence of this.

>are going through horrible humanitarian crisis right now,
Not really. France is dealing with a workers riot completely unrelated to muh immigrants.

>Mum, the Americans are arguing about which of their two right wing parties is worst again

>goalposts

how is this relevant to the quoted post?

Self-righteous apathetic Idiots like you ultimately keep the Democratic Party from ruling, let alone moving to the left.

Ok call it what you want. Open borders , pay off student loans, free college = I'm not voting for them. Go ahead and "Hur dur, they don't want open borders just amnesty, abolish ice, and free healthcare for illegals" .

See? You can't even debate issues on their merits. You immediately have to label any facts you don't like as belonging to the other side of the autistic political spectrum, and then make up all kinds of shit because you literally believe that the only people in the world are those that believe exactly what you do, or who believe the exact opposite of what you believe. You're irrational and completely incapable of critical thought or self reflection.

>Open borders
Literally nobody is proposing this user. The least you could is be an informed voter if you're going to decide who to vote for.

What do you want?

the goverment wants to jack up the price of gas to a point that it renders the average citizen completely unable to afford the basic idea of living in a first world country.

>On May 6, 1939, Henry Morgenthau, Roosevelt’s treasury secretary, confirmed the total failure of the New Deal to stop the Great Depression: “We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!”
There's plenty of evidence.

It's stuck at 5% because they have convinced people like you that it is a wasted vote.

Fuck both parties

Vote for destruction of the world 2020!

See nothing. Fuck you and your right wing revisionist garbage.
>You can't even debate issues on their merits
I have been,. I support a system that puts people ahead of corporations and allows for public ownership of resources through democracy. A system that works now and worked under FDR.

>Eurofags are pretending they're the center, without realizing there are no major countries of any kind to their left
kek

hope the protests sort it out

Skewed evidence from a bean counter's perspective. Nicely cherrypicked dickhead.

the "Goal" doesnt matter. The result of social welfare is obvious now more than ever. youve completely ignored the facts that 1/3 of the population in this country is on government assistance. you know the old "Teach a man to fish" addage correct?

>Non-American tells Americans truth
>Truth is somehow my fault

>I have been,.
No, you haven't. Your only response to my specific points was to assign me a set of politics I don't believe in, and then you made all sorts of claims based on the politics you just made up. You never once addressed any of the issues.

I'm not sure you understand what left/centre/right actually mean, my fat friend

me too, the french helped us immensely in securing this great nation when we needed it the most. I dont want to see them subjugated at all.

He was FDR's own treasury secretary, user. Literally the person in charge of counting the New Deal's beans.

So do you think South Korea is left wing? Saudi Arabia. Give me some examples to the left of Europe that aren't Canada or Australia.

decriminalization of undocumented border crossing and free healthcare to all said undocumented persons is a HUGE talking point on the democrat side. they are straight up pandering to illegal immigrants at this stage.

Fuck both parties!

Vote global destruction 2020!

there is no amount of evidence to make a blind person see. you can try to force them to read braille but they will just call you a liar when they finish.

Join the Popcorn Party! Fuck the vote, put your feet up, and watch it burn!

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What did they do with it? Passed the aca that gave us free healthcare? No it didn't . It made it the law that you had to buy health insurance and made it impossible for you to buy insurance from a different state. The insurance companies couldn't have crafted a better deal for themselves. Everyone must buy insurance and cut down on competition. Icing on the cake is Joe taxpayer gets to also pay for more low income people to get subsidized or free insurance. Middle class gets fucked again. Fuck Obama.

8179803862
I support Beto ORourke . We must disarm this nation. I can argue my position, if you can be reasonable. Threats will be reported to the authorities. Don't call if you can't defend your position logically.

They weren't in charge of anything when aca got voted in dumbass.

It was lifted from Romneycare to appease the GOP. Which never happens

>Because you don't understand what it is
LMAO spoken like a true commie

you support a facist who has also played identitarian politics to the point that people think hes latino. His name is Robert Francis O'Rourke. hes a no good lying irishman that apparently doesnt understand the constitution.

The government must be disarmed first. Compete and total disarmament.

This to the max. Literally made it illegal to not have healthcare even if you were unemployed. Ended up paying almost 1500 dollars (my life savings in this shitty economy) for a years worth of health insurance so I didnt have to pay a 5000 dollar fine for not having it.

This guy gets it!

Vote for our great demon lord cthulu to wipe out the human race 2020!

Not him but yes. Grew up in it. You think these people want to work? Trust me ,they don't. The shAme in being on welfare left generations ago. It's owed to them in their minds. They think they are victims.

Nancy Pelosi made it very clear how much she hated the poor, didn't she? All that talk about how people who couldn't afford the fancy healthcare they got on the Hill were "free riders", who needed to be punished.

I don't think we need Cthulhu, we seem quite capable of destroying it all ourselves

The prototypical political shitpost thread of Yea Forums.

Give them evidence to show the fault in their beliefs

>>I doubt it

Give them MORE evidence to show that the democratic strategy has weakened the country nearly beyond repair

>>nice cherrypick dickhead

Theres no point, its casting pearls before swine. there is no resolution to this situation because either side has blind faith as their primary weapon.

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PATHETIC.

I know man. We should tax the shit out of these evil fuckers so they pack up and take their evil factories somewhere else. Let them go victimize some other country .

Following parties has lead us into the shit we're in today.

what do you do for a living?

He had help from croocked Hillary.

I don’t really. Each has it merits and faults.
Personally I think the govt runs best when there is about an even split and they get their collective heads out of their asses and remember who they’re supposed to be working for.
Not necessarily who signs the biggest check.

i spend my days on Yea Forums arguing with anonymous strangers online

no

assuming you arent just being cunty, do yoy really think that gives you a perspective on the job market in america? did you at least get an education?(they basically give it away now)

But cthulu will guarantee that all humans die not just the poor ones. Rich people have bunkers and contingency plans in place for human made disasters.

Vote cthulu for world destruction 2020!

have yourself a look at this.

And yet people praised this shit to no end. Makes me want to watch the world burn even if k go down with it

>salon
Mueller report confirmed the Russians fucked with us.

My man

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It's not a question of support. It's about picking the lesser of two evils. Nobody outside of these parties can ever win, so no matter what you support you're stuck with one of them.

sure it did. the russians stole hillary's email and so she went nuclear on trump over it. the guiltiest party is always the quickest one to declare innocence.

The reason why people don't want to work is because we live in a society where it's all work and nothing else. That's honestly all we do.
Our existence is based solely on work. Humans live just to work.
You need to go to school to get a good job in order to pay bills.
Even your house that you sleep in, you spend more time out of it working to pay for it than you do actually living in that house.
Forgive me, but sometimes I want to actually enjoy my life. I want to travel. I would love to spend my life traveling the world, seeing the sights. There's so many wonderful things out there.
But of course, I can't. Why? Read above.
I have a job, and it's a good job, but I don't like my job. It's not what I see myself doing for the rest of my life. But I have to do it. If not, who's gonna pay my bills?
>find another job
Easier said than done
Humans live just to work. Bottom line.

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NGL those posts were me being a dick to both sides and I didnt think that it was a real thing but fuck yeah.

I'd rather vote for a world ending demon than either party

>on trump over it.
Who's campaign had hundreds of shady meetings with russians and lied about it.

humans have always lived just to survive. we have it easier now than any other point in known history. its so easy in fact that all you have to do to get by is apply for food stamps and welfare then you can sit on your porch and blame the government all day.

>>proof
>>speculation

do you know the difference?

I want secure borders and immigration laws enforced. It's not the " I don't want brown people in my country" bullshit you will accuse me of. Our country lets millions legally immigrate here each year and they are welcome.

See thisWhy vote for a lesser evil when we can vote for destruction

proof of what?

How is the border unsecure?

your outlandish claims

"How is the border unsecure?"

Are you fucking retarded? Mexicans literally swim across the rivers and trudge across the plains every fucking day

Why would you throw your vote away on some other party?

or do you have some secret clandestine knowledge of the "hundreds of secret meetings with russia"

That's the conclusion of the Special Consul, so take it up with them.

FDR is the one who started the country down the socialist slide and fucked everything up.

The Mueller Report.

over 100,000 illegal entries per month earlier in the year. we had a fucking media shitstorm about the "caravan of migrant assylum seekers" that apprently fucking disappeared as soon as tye media couldnt market it anymore.

At rates which have trended down for decades with only a recent spike last summer.
It was nonsense to shutdown government over a wall to fix that.

for fucks sake. This has got to be a bait/troll.

You say that like it means anything to me. I'm not a republican so Romney can fuck off too. I don't know much about romneycare but how did they ever get a law passed that made it mandatory to buy something?

the democrats shut the government down over .01% of the annual budget. they wouldnt approve .01% for the fucking wall. its just nit picking bullshit like the entire government is an elementary school playground.

so everything you don't like is fake news?

He is also the one who started all the gun control bullshit with NFA.

Lol we've got documents showing that the illegals aren't coming in as much as they were

They are undocumented illegal immigrants. As in dont show up on reports

>the democrats shut the government down
They represented their base who didn't want a wall. That's their job.
Trump wanted his wall, and bloated our military budget, gave tax cuts to the rich and billions to Saudi Arabia, but until he lost the house he bothered about a wall budget.
It was the most asinine way to go about it, and the Pentagon recently revoked the funding he's trying to pilfer. Because the Wall is too fucking expensive, as we've always told you.

Sorry bro. You had it worse. We had many contractors here at work had to buy obamacare. Shit wiped them out. I had healthcare from work. Cost shot up and benefits cut so they wouldn't be fined for giving us "Cadillac benefits". What kind of shit was that.

where in the mueller report did it say ANYTHING about the Russian government working with Trump to influence the election?

Go ahead ill wait for your "evidence".

Wealthy Democrats live in gated walled communities and then scream that "walls don't work itd be a waste of money" and you eat that shit up

Where did I mention Trump specifically? I said his campaign.

those are just the ones we knew of, not even counting the unknowable number of how many made it through without notice.

there's no compelling evidence a wall thousands of miles long would be cost effective

they wanted and funded a wall in 2014 so shut the fuck up.

alright then show me the evidence for that claim

>and funded a wall in 2014
You mean replacing fencing

Let's keep this discussion going

I didnt ever say it was cost effective did I? Just said that the Democrats are fucking hypocrites saying that walls are stupid while they hide behind their walls

cost effective? as opposed to what? what is the other option? keep spending over $100 billion a year on illegal immigrant's food,housing,education and healthcare?

businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-russia-government-contact-timeline-2018-7

There are now more than 101 known points of contact between the Trump campaign and Russian-government linked people or entities, including 23 meetings or calls.

Sixteen Trump campaign officials are known to have had direct contact with a Russian government official or a Russian-linked operative, and at least an additional nine campaign officials were aware of these contacts.

Trump campaign officials had meetings, calls, and digital correspondence with high-level Russian government officials, billionaires linked to Putin, an accused Russian spy, and hackers enlisted by Russian intelligence to meddle in the 2016 elections.

We're in the era of scare tactic politics. You can never, ever say no to something because someone, somewhere, might hurt. Or mildly inconvenienced. There's no sense of proportion, no weighing the costs and seeing if the benefits outweigh the downsides, or if there actually is a benefit. It's enough that their might be one, or that someone says they might be hurt if you take it away.

you think comparing gated communities to the US border is rational?

congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/744/text

i know you probably wont look or care but heres a source.

You think it isn't? Israel built a wall and had a 1000% decline in illegal immigration.

900% of the legal immigrants left?

Go back in time. Do you think life has ever been as easy as we have it now? We have it easy . Cooking has never been easy. Laundry easy. Fucking US grocery stores have food choices that would boggle the mind of our forefathers. You don't want to work. Then go hunt your food. Gather berries in the woods. I give you less then a week and you'd be dead.
Bunch of gibberish about doing nothing but work. I work one job. Wife doesn't. Bills get paid. Have nice house. Have nice things. Go on vacations sometimes. It's all about smart choices and balance. You think the world owes you free travel. Around the world,? What have you givin the world in return?

so youre referring to Cohen and Manafort, both of which were fired by trump and also charged criminally. Am I guilty for the dealing of my employees? Unless you can show any evidence to support Trump being in charge of those actions then Ill happily concede.

>ctrl f
>no wall

Because it kills entrepreneurship. Why create a business if the government is just going to take it away from you. Public ownership is only truly possible if every person in the public puts in the same amount at start up. Otherwise it is theft from the person who put up the money and risk to start the business.

Oh is this where you think I'm gonna shout " build the wall!". Fuck the wall. We wouldn't need the wall if we deported illegals right away.

Israel is a tiny ass nation dealing with border security issues completely different to ours.

Let's see if I can dumb this down enough.

Is it easier to defend a soccer goal post 10 meters long, or 1000 meters long?

A real Intellectual powerhouse were dealing with. didnt have my one word so Im.gonna glaze over the whole documnet and disregard it. typical Im surprised you even clicked the link.

I think we need to start taking babies from parents, and raising them communally.

That's not what I said is it.

I said there was a decline in the illegal immigration which mean less and less illegal immigrants were getting in.
Are you literally retarded? Cause then I'd feel bad about arguing with someone who is too stupid to k how better

I'm not implying Trump was in charge of those actions.
Something like cyber espionage would be completely lost on him.
>Am I guilty for the dealing of my employees?
You hired them, the did shady shit on your watch, so yes.

If we had three parties the laws passed would be more centered and more would get done as at least two parties would be able to outvote the third that just wants to Stonewall.

Actually true. The wall is stupid, the reason we have tens of thousands of illegals in the US isn't because the border is porous, but because the government deliberately turns a blind eye to them because they want a cheap class of workers with no rights.

>we deported illegals right away.
Obama did.
They're good for our economy, so I'm pro amnesty.

From what I can tell they seemed to mostly invest in surveillance

we are also dealing with illegal migration from all over the world. we have caught people from every continent trying to come across the southern border. we shouldnt just have open land between our country and the shithole that is Central/South America. all of the highest crimerate countries are in SA. no one should share an undefended border with those savages.

>tens of millions

Hmm what's easier to get across a wide open field/river or a fucking wall?

And a soccer goal post has literally nothing to do with anything I've been saying you fucking mong

Gave billions to the Saudis? You got proof?

I'm opposed to it, out of basic fairness. The people who tried to jump through the ridiculous hoops to get in legally should get to go first.