Fuck you if you want to take away guns...

Because kids arnt an amendment and I can tell you for a fact that none of my guns have been involved in any shooting ever. Why punish me?

lol. what a pussy.
Really believes people are after your guns lol

Fuck you faggots, it's my right to own guns, stop trying to just give our rights away,pieces of shit. I'm sure you're those queers that think we need to burn books or have safe speech zones.

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Nah, you shouldn't. Everyone but you in fact, because you're an uneducated, over-privleged goober who can't be trusted to tie their shoes correctly, much less wield a weapon.
You dumb shit stick.

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spoken like a true republitard. Do the world a favor and take a long walk off a short pier. No one cares what you think fuckface.

No, that's what your side wants you fascist fuck. I can't wait to force emigrate all you loons to antartica. Maybe you and your ilk can cry to the penguins you whingey ass baby.

You say that like the gun is the problem. We could ban every single gun today and it won't fix the problem we have with children mass murdering other children in schools.

>Because kids aren't an amendment
What a hilarious argument!

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That is true. Then the situation becomes "what's causing it and how do we stop it", not "lol fuck the kids"
I'm against gun bans btw

You apparently know nothing. The right isn't trying to create legislation that jails people for "hate speech." That's the left. They ban books like To Kill a Mockingbird because it says Nigger.

>Why do you care about kids you don't even know?
Well, mostly it's my kids that I'm talking about, so I can rephrase if it'll help your tiny mind comprehend what I'm saying.

Why should I care about your gun rights if you don't care about my kids? It's quid pro quo, otherwise you're just a whiny snowflake, demanding that your needs be met without considering anyone else.

It has always amazed me the liberal logic behind taking away firearms.

>They think the Government will do right by its people
>New political party comes into power every few years
>They scream that the Government is bad and should be overthrown
>The 2nd Amendment was, quite literally, designed to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government

Liberals should be THE most avid 2nd Amendment Supporters given how much they hate the current administration.

I am so happy to live in a different continent that you, cuckface

>Why do you care about kids you don't even know? Care about your own kids and family.

Please stop posting. You have weak arguments. People are worried about their kids getting shot up by other kids while at school.

>I gave up my guns to my government years ago.
>you're a cuck

What are eagerly awaiting your knives to be taken away or something?

self defense is a constitutional and a human right. leftist think human rights mean the government has to pay for them.

Therefore until guns are banned, government must give us guns.

Dude, I have not YET seen a decent pro-gun argument on here

>Donald Trump is basically a totalitarian dictator, there are Mexican concentration camps on the border, the government is eliminating scientific research that contradicts its agenda, America is a police state
>only the government should have guns you stupid rednecks!
I don't get it.

No, the issue is you don't care about the argument; you had an emotional reaction to something of statistical insignificance, but because it's in the news you're worried about it. Just like fucking Halloween candy being poisoned-you know that NEVER happened, and was just a news story blown way out of proportion? Gun deaths happen, but more kids drown in pools. Want to keep your kids safe? Ban swimming pools.

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This guy gets it.

Gun control faggots are fucking idiots. If you pass a bill taking guns away from law abiding citizens that will just give criminals more confidence and opportunity to commit armed robbery because as it turns out, criminals don't abide by the law. Let's say some fucking ATF agents come to a person's door and says "pls give us ur guns goyim there ilegl uwu" do you seriously think that would end well? And en masse? Also, you guys are aware of the concept of a black market right? Even if you take away ALL of the firearms that are registered and in the economy, there are MILLIONS of unregistered firearms both in this country and in neighboring countries. This would just be another market for smugglers to branch into. Also, it's surprisingly easy to manufacture makeshift firearms, and with the right tools and know-how, manufacture decent firearms.

Passing some dumb as fuck bill isn't going to solve all the violent crime in the world.

Defence against the government is a good start

Honestly, you are making pro-gun people look like fools and monsters. Basically, you're saying "I don't care that kids are getting shot" and after saying that no one is listening to your reasons why. They've already classified you as a maniac.

If you make it harder to get guns, the chance somebody who wants to kill will get a gun goes down.

Doesn't have to be a ban on all guns.

Most of these shooters lately weren't criminals before they got their guns.

Some kid who just turned 18 isn't going to automatically have black market connections but he can go to Wal Mart and buy a gun pretty easily.

So it's not a yes/no, black/white thing.

You can have home defense while not handing out guns like candy.

You can have limited guns without removing all guns. Not like you could get rid of everybody's guns anyway.

Exactly! This guy is the living strawman.

Makes zero sense to me. Most people that buy guns never even get properly trained with them, so mounting a defense against the US government using untrained people scattered across the country is absolutely laughable.

And I believe this argument to be not in earnest anyway. The people who make this argument don't even believe it.

>waaah you don't care enough!
No, I'm just not buying what the news sold you. Bad things happen. Ensuring worse things happen won't fix it. Want to eliminate the first amendment because some kid got cyberbullied and killed himself? By the same logic, Yea Forums should be shut down and all internet communication should take place through monitored, government provided channels.

That's next.

Maybe he's actually anti-gun and behaving like an idiot to discredit gun supporters.

If that's the case, it's an excellent tactic

everyone has the right to ''life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...'' also it's a amendment, so just amend it out of the constitution like they did to prohibition.

How about some facts then?

> 99% of mass murders occur in "Gun Free Zones"
> The highest crime rates are 9 out of 10 times in cities/states with the strictest gun laws
> There is far less crime (violent and overall) in cities/states that are "gun friendly" (such as the "everyone must own a gun" Kennesaw, GA)
> In the last two decades the number of guns and gun owners has surged while violent crime rate decreased
> If you take out Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, and the state of CA (all places with fucking strict gun law) you would remove approx 80% of ALL violent crime in the whole nation.
> For every 1 murder (via shooting), there are approx 100 crimes prevented by someone with a gun (and that's only of those incidents reported).

If you actually read statistical data, it's very clear that "gun control" is retarded as fuck. Not to mention reading history and the fact that almost all citizen disarmaments by the government were follow by almost genocide level mass killing within a decade or less.

>Most people that buy guns never even get properly trained with them
A large proportion of people who buy guns are former military.
>so mounting a defense against the US government using untrained people scattered across the country
Really? Because Afghanis legitimately do not know how to use their sights. I know, I've tried to train them. We wound up just giving up and teaching them the "caveman red dot" method, where you ignore the rear sight and just aim with the front one. At least they shoot near what they're aiming at now.

And we're still fighting people that incompetent, over a decade later. There are a LOT more gun owners in the US, and even the worst trained is far more proficient with firearms. Unironically a Call of Duty player knows more about combat than the average middle eastern militant.

Poes law in effect, this could be a parody,,, but gun rights people make it really hard to know.

>so mounting a defense against the US government using untrained people scattered across the country is absolutely laughable.

Have you heard of the American Revolutionary War, the American Civil War, and or the Vietnam War?

If there's a will there's a way

Just the sheer fact that other people would be armed would force the government to be more tactical than "let's just send the boys in and shoot them up and put our boot on their face
>Not made in earnest
I absolutely make it in earnest. I have absolutely no faith in the morality of our government, be it Republican or Democrat. I hate that it has as much power as it does, and I am terrified of it gaining more power. The power to oppress the people unopposed is the scariest possibility of all, and it's likely, given world history.

Actually where there is a will, there is a crater where you used to live... and if the will is big enough they salt the ground afterwards.

Too many words for him man.

Not sure why they would wage war with their own citizens, but okay.

why wouldn't they eventually. If someone says something that could put the ''great god trump'' look bad, why not arrest him... and if he fights back kill him.

Really? Because last I checked we dropped more ordnance on Vietnam than was expended in the entirety of WW2. We even dropped 2.5 million tons of bombs on Laos too just to be sure, over 580,000 bombing missions. Again, just in Laos, not Vietnam. They weren't even the people we were fighting.

And North Vietnam won.

y u take my gun away, it's about freedom

y football man no standup for pledge, thats not his freedom

y people like trump, he our president

y people like obama, he was never the president born in kenya

It's all just forced propaganda to get Americans to disarm so they can enact their tyrannical socialist regime and start putting all the poor dumb people in camps. Their deaths will give way to a brighter future ran by super intelligent government technologies. The people won't have all the freedoms but it will be a utopia.

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y u not me?
me hate u!

Put the tinfoil back.

>putting all the dumb people in camps
It works the other way around actually.

Prove it.

And this is exactly why I hate gun control.

Weapons are a deterrence and when you start to whittle away at the deterrence by passing laws (Class III liscence, Banning bump stocks, etc) it will start as small things, it will continue until we're not allowed to own our two goddamn hands.

I had faith in Trump until he said "Israel is our greatest ally". After that, as well as banning bump stocks, I couldn't give a fuck about him anymore.

>why shouldn't I be able to kill someone
>it's my right to be able to take a life

This is why I hate gun owners.

Look, you MAY be able to convince me that there MIGHT be some small pockets of resistance in the US IF things went really really sideways.

But they way I look at it is this. Something like that is so extremely unlikely that it doesn't even matter.

I just don't see that type of threat manifesting. The government can't even find their ass with two hands and a map, so they're FAR away from becoming a tyrannical force.

So, instead of playing army man, I believe my time would be better spent learning skills that are valuable in the job market and preparing for actually realistic disasters, like layoffs in the case of a recession starts.

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It's my right and responsibility to defend my life and my loved ones, not the puppet police that would punish me for doing so.

The only one you can rely on is yourself

You hate gun owners because they desire the ability to defend themselves by any means necessary?

Who needs due process when you have a gun right?

I think you should keep your guns.
That way you’re more likely to die.

Anti-guns don't like the idea that they are ultimately responsible for their own safety; it makes them uncomfortable.
It's quite hard to assemble a jury while you're getting stabbed.

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>Why do you care about kids you don't even know?

People who actually feel that way are the ones who commit mass killings, you know.

>I'm in constant danger
>if I don't have my gun someone WILL hurt me

It must be hard to live afraid.

Not really, I think most sociopaths have little motivation to commit mass murder like that. It's generally an emotional response to emotional trauma, not the kind of thing a genuinely uncaring person does.

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>I think

There's the problem.

Exactly. This guy is making me increasingly uncomfortable, he's making the already-maligned gun owner look even worse, and his arguments are terrible.

I'm trying my best to tell myself "not all gun owners want my kids to die", but man when I read things like this, it's hard to keep an open mind about guns.

HOLY SHIT BASED

>I'm in constant danger
Not particularly, but since I can't know the future I will prepare for possible outcomes
>if I don't have my gun someone WILL hurt me
So, you mean it is unlikely I will ever need to shoot someone. You're correct. However, there is no place in the whole world without murder, without rape, without assault. There are only places with more, and places with less. How high is the price of your life? How high is the price of the life of people you love? People who say the probability is low forget a very important thing-when the price is of infinite size, probability has no meaning.

>I think
As if it's any different from your retarded statement pulled from your ass

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I will pray for you.

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>Guns are the problem!
And yet, the nongun murder rate in the US is also significantly higher than all those countries. Guns or no guns, Americans are significantly more likely to kill eachother than Europeans
>37 in Sweden
The country with some of the laxest gun laws in Europe by the way, the only competition being Czechia.

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doesn't mean you're gonna spend every dollar on things that increase your likelihood of survival. just like you don't spend every hour increasing that likelihood. for example - you're here right now.

put it simply - the only costs we pay are alternative costs, and by choosing this alternative you are sacrificing your survival chances. and don't even try arguing, because there are obvious better choices than discussing stuff online for probably any indirect goal you come up with.

so just the fact that you value your life "infinitely" (i am quite sure this is not true, it's still relative to other things and probably thus, to oversimplify, relative to a dollar and thus has a finite value even for yourself) doesn't mean shit. what means shit is how much you are actually willing to invest in your security and that is definitely a finite number. and then there is also your actual purchasing power, as compared to wishful thinking. it's never infinite either

theory aside, practice is - in some areas you wouldn't even take a gun with you just because it's incovenient enough and the risk is extremely low.

If you think owning a gun will save you if the military comes to seize them you're wrong. You might get 1 or 2, hell maybe even 10 but you'll be gunned down like a dog. The US is a militarized state with an army so powerful because there are 300 million people it may need to put down at a moment's notice

>So, instead of playing army man, I believe my time would be better spent learning skills that are valuable in the job market and preparing for actually realistic disasters, like layoffs in the case of a recession starts.
Why not both?

That's retarded and actually contrary to the facts. They actually want to be fully responsible for their safety. Hence why they want guns.

>In Europe
I should say in the EU, as there's still Switzerland, but that's kind of complicated as much of their lax gun laws are due to their conscription laws/

i think i heard the distinct sound of tinfoil

dude, if the global elites ever feel like genocide, it's gonna be drones, not contemporary army

that said, they are already building up drones

>
>That's retarded and actually contrary to the facts. They actually want to be fully responsible for their safety. Hence why they want guns.
I've literally never heard a "responsible gun owner" talk about how they would kill someone with a gun. Anyone I know that isn't for gun control has talked about how they wish someone would break into there house so they can shoot them. You want to be responsible for safety? Mandatory registration, yearly inspections, and a 1 week background check on all purchases

I hope the gov will take away Guns from OP and the rest of you gun loving faggots

>theory aside, practice is - in some areas you wouldn't even take a gun with you just because it's incovenient enough and the risk is extremely low.
Really? That's news to me, everywhere I go unless it's through a metal detector, I have a gun.

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True, but there's only so much time in the day. And there are a LOT of things I want to do with that time, not just these two things. And since learning guns isn't even really in the top 10 for me, it's not gonna happen for me.

>Why do you care about kids you don't even know? Care about your own kids and family.

If you can't have some common decency for others, then why should you be allowed to have a gun? We're talking about the U.S. not Darfur.

>mandatory registration
No, I refuse.
>yearly inspections
I refuse.
>1 week background check
Why? I have more guns than you have fingers and toes. What is one week gonna do?

None of your proposals sound responsible, they sound like a way to aid you in your goal of confiscation.

Source?
Willing to change my stance if this is true.

Yes, and the US has the right to bear arms while In Sudan, firearms are illegal. Hence the genocide.

>Why? I have more guns than you have fingers and toes. What is one week gonna do?
Why? You got two hands dude, good luck shooting all of them.

Also you have to do the same thing with a car (except the one week background check, that's usually just a credit check)

That's cool. I myself am not really a gun person. We should be able to do what we want, while more gun savvy people should be able to do that if they want. Just pointing out the latter does have benefits.

Not you personally. "You wouldn't..". Whatever.

The point is I do shit of stuff that could get me killed that is way more dangerous than walking around without a gun. Like I sometimes drive a bit on the reckless side. I risk my life to avoid the nuissance of poorly organized street lights. I certainly don't think it's a sane idea to go to the beach in Poland (where I live) with a gun by your side. You shouldn't leave your gun unattended and there is a high chance whole group would like to have fun in the water. What you're gonna do meanwhile? Sit down with your gun and watch for potential threats?

We take risks. And not the whole world is USA, in Poland I was beaten up once over my entire life. The attackers did not use even melee weapons, just jumped me three on one. I really don't think it is statistically worth it to carry a gun in Poland, although I wouldn't mind doing that. But definitely wouldn't go with it everywhere I go, that's just crazy paranoid insecurity.

>when you feel the need to controlled opposition this hard right before the election
dems are scared lol

For his first claim, it depends on the definition of mass shooting. If you consider a mass shooting to be the sort of spree violence the media likes to dramatize, he is correct. If you include gang violence, he is incorrect.
washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/10/do-98-percent-of-mass-public-shootings-happen-in-gun-free-zones/

>In the last two decades the number of guns and gun owners has surged while violent crime rate decreased
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
This is a good place to start. As for numbers of guns and gun owners, that is quite impossible to properly prove. There is no registration in the US and most gun owners when asked by a survey will elect no to respond. But we do know that the sunset of the US Assault weapons ban did not coincide with a spike in violent crime. In general, the US crime rate has stayed fairly steady with a massive spike in the 70s and 80s, but things have been returning to normal for a very long time now.

His other claims rely on fairly dubious sources I don't feel like researching.

That's absolute fucking bullshit. When you don't give a fuck about someone, you don't want anything to do with them, it doesn't mean you hate them.

The people doing these mass shootings are full of hatred, not indifference. I don't give a fuck if you die, that doesn't mean I give a fuck if you do or don't. I'm not going to do anything to help or hurt you, fag, that's reality.

Then you worry about Poland, I'll worry about America. This is why the Czechs are cooler than you.

Nobody here gives a fuck about your kids, fool. Last I checked it's other kids killing your stupid fuckign kids, fag. Don't you get what it means to not care? I don't care about anything you have or will ever do or be. I don't think about you at all. That's what not caring means. Wake up, idiot.

>Also you have to do the same thing with a car
So? My gun isn't a car. I don't intend to use it on public roads. If I can shoot on the freeway, I will consider your proposal.

wtf lol

Nobody asked you, faggot. But yeah, wonder why we don't need guns in Poland. Perhaps because we're not a bunch of retards with macho issues.

Thanks user

>I don't intend to use it on public roads. If I can shoot on the freeway

sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/tag/freeway-shooting/
You might not but there are a lot of crazies who do that never would have gotten a gun in the first place had they not been allowed to buy one

Well, when that's your attitude, then don't be surprised if no one cares about your gun rights then.

You are making a very good argument for a general gun ban too. "Gun owners don't care about your children".

>Basically you are saying "I don't care that children drown"
Why are you against swimming pool bans? Nobody needs their own pool, just go to the local civic center that has one with paid lifeguards. You're honestly a manic monster for no being again private swimming pools who wants children to die.

>nobody asked you
You responded to me, if you don't want me to respond back then go fuck yourself.
>But yeah, wonder why we don't need guns in Poland
I wonder why they do in Czechia? Maybe because their government was less cucked by the Soviets, although they paid the price for that. Also according to my five seconds of research, they have a lower murder rate than Poland, despite having the right to own guns in their constitution, shall-issue licensing, and their purchase permit also permits the carrying of firearms.

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Yeet

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This

Hmm, do you think this shooter is not a prior felon who purchased his guns legally and had a legal California concealed carry permit?

I'm willing to bet not. Meaning legally, they could not have that gun anyway. So what would registration do in this case?

How many feral, bestial sub-human Negroes are in those other countries?

Chur

For the unwashed, Poe's is: "without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied"

Just saying that stock is a thing of beauty. Wow.

This thread in a nutshell:

>You're responsible for yourself, your property, and your dependents

>NO, EVERYONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE, AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE YOU'RE A HOMOCIDAL PEDOCIDAL MANIAC

Socialist much? Let me just remind everyone that just because someone doesn't care about you, doesn't mean they're out to get you. That's insanity. Literally >99.99% of the world cares nothing about you or anything you do or have. How could they? You practically don't exist as far as most people care or are concerned.

The left is trying to actively put a penalty on free speech, ban 90% of guns, open borders and supporting a fascist terror group in black masks that walks around and calls black cops niggers and starting fights. But yeah the Republicans are nuts....am I right?

Your pool isn't going to be stolen, or used on my child without my permission and knowledge.

Tell that to Hong Kong fucktard

We should make theft illegal, that'll solve the problem.

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Apart from the obvious bait,

"If i want a gun i should be able to have one." And i want a nuclear bomb. Therefore, we must examine who you and me are, why you and me want the things we want and weather or not you and me should have them.

If you have a gun fetish and are mentally unstable no, in fact you SHOULD NOT have guns even in a country where you can buy them like candy.

"i don't care if some kids die in a school shooting" Classic selfish attitude. Every. Single. Time.

When will people like you understand? you WILL care when your brother/kid dies in a school shooting. But it will be a tad late by then.

The entire planet can burn as long as my loved ones are safe.

This mentality is juvenile and can go fuck itself mate.

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You obviously havnt read a history book.

>spotted the faggot
Kill yourself

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Democrats and Republicans have identical practical agendas. Leave the partisan rhetoric behind please. It's only there to distract you from reality.

Oh, THIS again.

Great logic. "making something illegal doesn't work because people keep doing it"

Go ahead, make theft legal and by your theory we will see no difference.

Fucking clowns.

No shithead.... by gun owner logic theft shouldn't even be illegal because things get stolen anyhow.... right?

>Why do you care about kids you don't even know?

So, basically, this means you're a nigger. Correct?

Liberals are retarded

I genuinely don't think you would see much different. The vast majority of people do not do illegal things not because they are illegal, but because they are wrong. If the only thing holding you back from stealing is punishment, you are a terrible person.
No, not right.

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Not equivalent. Relieving me of a god given right is not the same as punishing someone for doing something wrong.

when you've got no argument...

Real talk, why don't people just use bombs? They're faster, can get more people, can be home made, are certified muzzy approved. If your a sociopath that wants to kill a bunch of people it's just the all around better option.

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>Shootings effect less than 5% of people in the us
>gun rights effect 100% of people in the us
Take that into consideration before you vote anons

>God given

Oh no, it's retarded.

If a man can have surgery to be a woman and parade around on TV and lie to the public then I can have my guns.

>god given right
I would like to call god to the witness stand.

People do that too still. But they already banned bombs. Weird.

Depending on your area and age of kids, you don't know if a hobo is gonna want a bath or that your kids feel they're grown up enough to just use their pool sitting in their backyard that they are familiar with using in the first place what could go wrong.
You're making excuses to defend something that is statistically more dangerous to those you want to protect than guns, you selfish piece of shit.

Because mass shooters are acting on emotion, not practicality. Also they're generally losers who can't get it right-the columbine kids tried, their bombs didn't go off though. But generally it's because they want to pull the trigger and be the one killing.

In other words, because they are NOT sociopaths, imagining they are is incorrect.

>not even .5% of gun owners go on to commit a violent crime with one
>Libshits: "Ban all the guns! Take them all away from everyone! Forced buybacks!".

You dont want to be able to defend yourself, fine. I do. Take care of yourself and I'll do the same.
You dont want to be able to defend yourself, fine. I do. Take care of yourself and I'll do the same.

>none of my guns have been involved in any shooting ever
Then why do you need them then you fucking nigger?

You dont want a gun? Dont buy one. Problem solved.

People need them for protection from other who want to forcibly push their beliefs and way of life on them.

lol why do you have a fire extinguisher if you've never had a fire?

> owns an assault rifle like a pussy

hurr durr i need muh gunszz!!!

18 year olds cant buy guns at walmart unless the have a good fake id which most dont and cant get

you’re changing the subject faggot

Legit good point. Rekkin faggots itt. Good job Conrad.

My requirements for having a gun are not your concern.
If you dont want one, dont get one.

Yeah you can. 18 is legal age for a rifle. I bought plenty of guns at stores when I was 18 with no problem.

What about owning an assault rifle makes you a pussy? Having the best gun you can get is bad? Is driving a worse car manly or living in a shack cooler than living in a nice house? Is that how you think?

That's not even touching on the fact that the liberal pussy afraid of guns calling people pussies doesn't make much sense; no one cares what you think on that subject.

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>The vast majority of people do not do illegal things not because they are illegal, but because they are wrong

You should probably take off your rose colored glasses user.

I'm on meth rn. Gonna come break into your home

>stripper clips being bad azz

Yep. I agree unironically.

Time for this again:

The point isn't that you can win pitched battles against a professional army with all its ordnance, as a rag-tag citizens' militia with small arms. The point is that you CAN FIGHT. You can bleed them. When they come patrolling through your neighborhood, you might be able to take a couple of the fuckers with you. Hell, you might even be able to run away and do it again; they couldn't engage in endless "manhunts" for everyone who resisted them. They'd never feel safe and there could be shooters behind any window.

Of course, they COULD call in the artillery and air-support and level your neighborhood, sure. What would this get them though? Well, it would piss a lot of people off when innocents died and play into the hands of rebels. It would make a lot of the soldiers in that professional military seriously consider whether they were doing the right thing or not. Finally, it would simply kill people, and NO ONE wants to rule a nation of corpses.

The aim of a tyrant is to control, not to kill. What they want is to be able to have militarized police & gestapo point guns at people and cow them into submission to whatever dictates they want to impose. If citizens are instead waiting behind their doors and ready to shoot first when the jackbooted thugs come around, they've already failed.

So, the point is to fight. If you resist, you're not being controlled, and you're also undermining attempts to control others who can't or won't fight. Yes, you might die, of course. However, that's why Patrick Henry said what he famously said, more or less.

"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.

That's why Americans having guns is so important.

How many non felons are going around committing crimes daily with guns? How many gun owners are there in the US?
You dont know what you're talking about. At all.

You’re a pussy shut the fuck up

Liberals aren't afraid of guns. They're afraid of the mental illness that you have. It's called malignant retardation. Symptoms are making up strawmen and then spazzing out at them. Sometimes malignant retards like you murder their families and friends. It's why you don't really have any friends and you family only used you as a punching bag when you were a child.

Guns don't kill people, terrified retards kill people.

uhh yeah they are everyone’s concerns, the reason you need an assault rifle you dense fuck

I think you misunderstand. People who don't break the law do so because they view it as wrong; punishment has no factor in it. I don't walk down the street and think "man, if I wouldn't get caught I could steal that!" it doesn't even factor into things. People who DO break the law don't care either way, and the law clearly does not stop them. It just provides a means to stop them from doing it again, in theory. Although US prison recidivism rates point to that being wildly ineffective.

The law is not what stops law abiding citizens, their own morality is. The law also isn't what stops criminals, clearly, it just exists as a framework to penalize them.

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A fuckload? Maybe 10 or 20 thousand?

This debate can never find a middle ground just like abortion. Antiguns think guns are the reason people commit crimes and if you take the guns away crime drops by over 50%. Doesn't matter that in the UK people are getting stabbed in record numbers and having acid attacks at rates higher than the US despite having strict gun laws.
"But ban guns and stop gun crime."
I mean, murder is banned and it still happens.

I like how these two go unanswered

But the easy one is taken.

Faggot

>quid pro quo
Don't use phrases his smooth brain won't be able to comprehend.

It makes you a pussy because there's pretty much no every day situation where an assault rifle will help you or be practical. Do you think an army of Muslims are going to storm your mom's house and you'll have to snipe them from half a mile away to keep your tendies secure? What situation would you ever need an assault rifle? A long, unwieldy weapon with bullets that go through walls and hit people you can't even see a quarter mile away. Even if you're a guntard who absolutely has to have a gun, how would the AR ever be better than a handgun or shotgun in a self defense situation?

>inb4 guberment tiranny
>inb4 it looks cool and I like it

Those are stupid reasons and you know it and the rest of us shouldn't have to put up with psychos mowing down dozens of people because of your shitty stupid reasons.

you’re a pussy because you can’t defend yourself with your fists like a real man. Fucking pussy. Turn to your gun you cowering faggot

The average American commits three felonies per day. Idk what percentage are with guns but that's true.

>y-you're a pussy I'm not scared of guns I'm scared of you!
Real convincing guys, surely you have a more convincing emotional argument than that to drag up. Hey, why haven't you banned pools yet, you haven't answered that.
>the rest of us
Can move to Europe and fuck off.

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This. I hate the "Civilians can't defeat an army." They can't, but they can case a fuss and if there's a mass shoot out of a group of civilians and the army, it's going to get noticed. It's like locking your door. Yea, people can still break in, but it makes it that much more difficult.

Thank you i get tired of arguing this point. People act like the government would drone strike hundreds of millions leaving them with no one to rule, not to mention the majority of military and police support the 2A

Also why we can never be occupied/invaded. Basically the only way to get rid of americans is multiple nukes in which case we will return fire. We are rooted deep and i love it

>Bawwwww pwease weave

Shut the fuck up pissy and go shoot yourself in the mouth with that assault rifle.

Atleast he isnt so afraid of guns he has the option to. Pussy.

>Can't defend yourself with your fists
I can, can you? I don't think you could beat me in a fight. Not just trying to internet toughguy bully you here. Can you beat someone who has done fairly casual boxing for years?

The average person absolutely cannot. Not even close. The difference between a boxer and a non-boxer is stunning when you see it, and if this genuinely is your philosophy I advise you to take a boxing class and see for yourself. Because it has nothing to do with strength, toughness, or even skill. Those will make one boxer beat another, but an ordinary person is fucked. And that's why they should have guns.

it’s not an argument i just hope you take home that you’re a pussy at heart and I hope the government neuters you when they take away your gun

Who’s afraid of guns? You retards should be stripped of your assault rifles is all it is. Faggot

Gun owners are mental children hth.

Man have you ever considered that the vast majority of us don't want to live in a civil war hellscape and that we like just, you know, voting? Isn't voting and doing democracy kind of what we're all about? Why the fuck do we as a society have to hand you the keys to a violent revolution? Why would we all be so stupid as to do that?

You talk about tyranny alot, but all I hear is that you want to take to the streets and show everyone whose boss because you have a gun and a couple of buddies and they don't. And then kill the people who get in your way. That sounds exactly like a terror group.

>I hope the government castrates you!
See, this is why I'm not giving up my guns.

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FUCK YOU LIBERALS- the 2nd Amendment says SHALL NOT be infringed

Nobody is afraid of guns. They don't want people to shoot children with them. Do you ever think about putting the barrel in your mouth? Have you ever done it?

yeah whatever dude you have an AR you have already proven you can’t fight internet tuffguy

By you?

I only own semis but i doubt you understand the difference. Regardless come take them faggot

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I think you have a very simple and wrong view of criminology.

by swat teams faggot. Of course you want one person to try faggot, you need that power you think you have behind your assault rifle stripped from you completely

It is a terror group. They also want the equivalent of a theocracy and Sharia law in the United States. They just fantasize about subjugating others because they're so impotent and ineffectual.

Unfortunately for you weve had the keys for 100+ years and if you vote to take them we will just open the door

Ok when do you go to work?

>people who own guns can't fight!
Yeah, see you might really want to try that boxing class because a lot of those guys do in fact own guns.

Fighting is a fairly right-wing hobby I suppose, but for some reason noodle-armed liberals who have never swung a fist like to imagine guns are for pussies. Honestly, they are, they're the great equalizer so you should get one.

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Some of them definitely do it because of apathy and wanting see what it feels like

Hope you’re that way when a swat team buys back your gun, faggot. We need less of you mouth breathers on this earth

Doesnt matter my wife and son are at home most of the day and they can hold down the fort for me

Lol at the
>If murder was legal the murder rate wouldn't increase
guy. Come the fuck on ya tard.

SWAT can't be everywhere at once and definitely won't run into gunfire.

They cant though, i wont let them

Ok give me your address. I'll come take them. Or are you scared?

Give me yours, user.

Not to mention the vast majority of police officers are patriots that support the 2a i really have nothing to worry abt

123 bringyourfiststoagunfight lane

>>Whooop.... time to switch gears guys. They caught on that I believe in teh magical sky fairy.

Only a pussy needs a gun to win a fight

Really? Is the only thing stopping you from killing another human being the risk of going to jail?

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>If you vote the way I don't like I will kill people

Doesn't take much to set you guys off huh. Do you really hate living in a democracy that much?

That’s cool that police officers have opinions. I’m just hoping they know how to follow orders when they come to pick up your rifles

Quite a few sources, but most of the info is best obtained from FBI statistics.

Correct. If you are weaker than the other person, it is your best chance. What is wrong about that?

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I didnt realize winning a fight made you a pussy

It wouldnt come to that because no one would enforce it even if you did pass the vote

606 Fulton St
Grand Rapids, MI
Apt 202

Ok now you pussy.

They wont

Timestamp

My county has already publicly stated they refuse to enforce my state's gun laws. So, nope, they don't.

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I would kill a person for personal gain if it was not illegal.

Posting a random address

Real tough user

Nah. I'm not looking for trouble.

Still makes you a coward

Not poster. But there are two people in my life that are only alive because murder is illegal.

I Geuss im the one who has to post this.

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Lalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalala
Fucking retard

But if we did, you would kill people right? All it would take is one gun buyback and you would start offing democratic congress members right? That's how this whole "fighting government tyranny" thing works right?

How terrible, I can see why someone like you wouldn't want other people to have guns.

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We ain’t talking about no state laws, son. We are talking about FEDERAL laws, pleb.

I guess. So a woman defending herself from a 6’5 dude breaking into her house is a coward for using a gun to gain an advantage?

That's my address. What are you gonna do? I'm at work. It is like 3:30 you retard. Actually, why aren't you at work?

Pussy lol XD what's gonna happen? Someone gonna show up and kill you? Bitch.

Ummm, yes? This country is a fucking powder keg. All it's gonna take is Trump getting voted out, and then saying the election was rigged and he's not leaving. You dumb motherfuckers will be committing war crimes the next day.

I wouldnt because I inherited mine and theres no record of them, but i know fo mr a fact if police tried forcibly taking them there would be a massive increase in gun related deaths. Id just go stay at my grandpas cabin cozy until the shitstorm blew over

Do you have a link to this archive?

I think guns should be unrestricted you retard. Laws work.

I hope so. You gonna come kill me?

Lol, go ahead and pass it, only liberal cucks will turn them in

Who cares? My state already has legalized marijuana in direct contradiction to federal law, and they're not arresting people for that either. I don't think we care too much.

Those burgers aren't gonna flip themselves you double nigger with cheese.

dumbass post. if you’re in a fist fight and you pull out a gun, you’re a coward. Jesus fucking reading comprehension batman. these kids are retarded

Try to take the guns and the schedule for that one gets bumped up a bit. Good thing guns are for pussies and you don't have any to defend yourself from the dumb motherfuckers committing warcrimes. But surely the largely conservative military full of dumb motherfuckers will have your back.

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There wouldn't. They would offer a bounty on guns and you could turn them in. After that if you didn't they would give people money to snitch on gun owners. Then it's a wrap. Cops shoot people all the time. They will just surround you and you will come out eventually. They'll turn off your water and electricity. They'll shoot smoke grenades through your windows every day. It doesn't go down like you think.

So you're a pussy going back on everything you just said then? You wouldn't do jack shit and you know it, because you like living in a democracy with law and order. You'd be too pussy to risk your neck for your precious gun rights. So just shut the fuck up maybe?

Yeah post your address pussy.

That’s cool, i think everyone who has lost someone from mass shootings cares. When Marijuana gets federally legalized, guess what — it’ll be enforced. When assault rifle buybacks becomes law, it’ll be enforced

And then they say 'hey if you know somebody with guns we'll give you a thousand bucks" lol

I guess it depends on who the aggressor is. If i dont want to fight you but youre coming at me yeah id take the easy win

Being in a mutual fist fight and then ending it with a gun is pretty pussy

Give me your email and I'll send it to you. You gonna shoot me or what?

>if you're in a fistfight
Is quit different from
>some dude just attacks you
If you choose to fight someone and pull a gun, you are indeed a pussy. If someone attacks you and gets themself killed, that's nobody's fault but their own.

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Oh you work food service at night? Yeah that makes sense.

>ignores the fact that america has 10x the population of the largest country on that list

If a us fag can do the math makes you wonder what the quality of your education is

Because kids are faggots and should die

K keep thinking that

I never said i would. I said the police wouldnt enforce it because itd be borderline suicidal to try in most of the south, and i wouldnt need to and i would get to keep mine

There is a difference in "mass shooting" vs "Shooting spree" (or serial killing), but either is a rare incident nationwide and happen primarily in the "gun-control" cities/states like he mentioned.

The rest isn't really even dubious, but does take some work to really research. No one source to show it all easily.

>When assault rifle buybacks becomes law, it’ll be enforced
Considering multiple states have flat out made it illegal for their officials to assist in any form of firearms confiscation and made it a crime for any federal agent to attempt to enforce any such law, no, and it's not even up for debate. They already said no.

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And then police have to try and retrieve guns from actual southern boys who believe its a god given right and will fight for them

Oh it would be awful. For all the reasons you just described. I think we're headed toward that to, just one of those times in history. Your little tribe will get to have your day of killing and raping and doing whatever you want. But then we'll all get sick of it eventually. And then you're all getting the noose.

Really the US has 10x the population of England and Wales? You sure, math genius?

Yeah. That's me. Slavin away at the grease pit burning the midnight oil. You know so much about me. What else?

>panties on the clipazine

Lol

Sadly I'm not sure if one exists the only one I can find is another thread where it gets posted.

Oh no. You tear gas them day in and day out and set their house on fire. Have you never seen what cops do when people hole up with guns?

you right. i mean i’m all for owning guns, I just don’t think there’s a logical reason for anyone to own these war-machines. you can be defended with other options on the market, but we’re losing citizens to senseless violence year after year and something has to be done

yeah ur right they'll probably just knock once and leave

Actually it would be closer to 7x i forgot england had more people than canada

Have you not seen what happens when they end up taking out a cop or two? If that was happening en masse throughout the US cops would just stop trying or quit. No one wants to walk into a literal death trap hundreds of thousands of times to round up all the firearms

You think you're clever. You're mom is ugly. Your dad doesn't love you and you have government health insurance.

That's alot of resources going after everyone. I wonder if people will get wise to their tactics??

Test

So you want them to search every residence in america? Mine arent registered which is legal here because selling a gun is like selling a hammer, its considered a tool.

Well you can get fucked.
Because if we give an inch your type try to take a mile.
Because we gave an inch before and you took a foot. We gave another and you tool a yard.

We know what comes next.

HAHA fuck you! I'm always going to vote for heavy gun restriction, bitch!

Cool-story-bro

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Not quite. I'm on your side but your argument needs some work. Some of the cities with the highest murder rates are not in ban states or AWB states, and arguments that rural areas have lower murder rates is murky because murder rate is always proportional with population density to some degree. You can't have a Detroit murder rate in Wyoming simply because there aren't enough people running into eachother to support it.

Internet arguments don't convince anyone, but half-assed ones are worse than no argument.
>war machines
What difference does it make? Dead is dead, whether it's by 5.56 or your granpappy's hunting rifle. Also, statistically, pistols are used to take significantly more lives than "war machines" like the AR.

Why do I have sprinkles in my apartment if I've never had a fire. Why use seat belts if I've never been in an accident. Why eat healthy.

>consequences

You think cops don't become cops because they want to raid houses and murder people lol. They'll have new recruits out the ass if you want to turn it into an insurrection. They will legally be allowed to murder you and burn your house down and get paid for it with the full strength of the military apparatus while you shit yourself and die on a pile of guns lol. You have not thought this through.

cool bro .. mind u i only really want them to take ur assault weapons.. so let's start there..

but when they come to take them away, I think you should show them who's boss, and kill them. Then ill get to enjoy watching u either hole up in your rat infested pad and die in a blaze of pseudo bullshit-survivalist glory, or get hauled ass up head first to serve ur life in prison sentence at a federal penitentiary... and I'll have expended no energy, or fucks toward ur cause

I wonder if people will see cops murdering families and burning their houses down and maybe they'll turn their shit in for money instead?

they should rename america to land of the trolls

Youre retarded, very few people are psychopathic murderers but since you seem to think everyone is i can see why youre afraid of people having guns

No. Your neighbor will say you have illegal weapons. They will know and tell you to give them the guns. If you do not, they will search your house and take them.

... I want to refute this but I can't.

>cops want to murder people and burn houses and rape your women, they're basically viking niggers on steroids with machineguns
>also only cops should have guns
You're really not convincing me here, I just bought another gun because of this argument

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Right, right. I can get fucked, and so can you your children your wife and everyone you love. Hope an El Paso shooter comes to your area while you’re doing shopping with your family

Or just blow up everything. You forget how many ex military learned a few things about IEDs from the middle east are still around looking for something to do.

You couldnt even define assault weapon if you tried. The amount of people that own actual assault rifles in the us numbers in maybe 10s of thousands and theyre never used for mass shootings. You want big scary looking Armalite-15s which are essentially long barreled hanguns that shoot a slightly larger bullet

Who in your high school class became a cop? The cool guys or the autistic pussy faggots lol?

Lies again.

Found the cop hater that wants cops to be the only people allowed to own guns and be responsible for protecting us when someone breaks into our homes. Literal room temp IQ

Yeah all the people like 'cops will be scared of me' have never seen a police altercation in their lives. They don't just go away because you have guns in your house XD

Cops also shouldn't have guns.

You seem to misunderstand the whole concept of having a weapon so you don't HAVE to use it.
I want my black lesbian atheist friends to be armed the same as my straight white Christian friends, you fucking tool.
I want my ex-sister-in-law living in the back woods where sheriff's Dept response time is 20 minutes to be able to shoot the naked man who broke into her house after dousing its foundation with kerosene. Sound oddly specific? There's a reason for that.
Also, the part you seem to have trouble understanding the most:

"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.

How do you think we got - and keep - the right to vote? By asking nicely?

pls user we need answers

answer the question faggot

We aren't talking about individuals user. We are talking about if they made everyone who didn't turn in their guns criminals. There are not enough resources and most people wouldn't want to be shot at on a daily basis.

So we get rid of them all... and then the criminals that managed to keep them are the only ones with them? What happens then in your utopia

>lies
Truths

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Actually all the cops i know that i knew as kids are some pretty based bros that became cops because they came from cop families.

Which is why they would turn in their guns. Because if you don't the cops will burn your house down.

BasedBrownells

In europe we don't even think of mass murders, school shootings and other. We, eastern europeans think that the americans are truly a retarded nation.

Look at France. There's a lot of history behind it.

And now look at the USA. Nothing. Wars, wars, and wars.

>they will burn down 1/3 of residential homes in the US.

Sounds reasonable

There's been just as many if not more accounts of people defending themselves with AR-15 type rifles agaibst multiple attackers than there has been shootings.

>Yes, and the US has the right to bear arms while In Sudan, firearms are illegal. Hence the genocide.

Gee I didn't know that gun control was the cause of genocide in Sudan.

Didnt france have a mass shooting like 3 years ago because of muslim extremism?

They would bring out the guns. They don't need them on their hip retard.

France got raped less than a hundred years ago by germany. & they’re getting raped right now by migrants. my nigga, fuck france

nigger lole

Sure. But what if their not in their houses?

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Well then I'd shoot them dead. And my girlfriend would too.

Because Pennsylvania. We have more guns here than Texas.

An armed populace would be a deterrent

>we enlightened Eastern Europeans banned guns
>btw, ignore that there was a genocide in the 90s in the balkans, that doesn't count
>also ignore that thing in Ukraine
>also ignore Czechia which has loads of guns and is doing better than the rest of us
>now give up your guns!
No. Now fuck off.

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Cool so instead of an average response time of a few minutes were looking at half an hour

Way to save lives!

They. Wouldn't. Need. To.
Reasonable people would prefer not to have their home burned down and family killed than keep their guns.
The nuts all die. Win win.

Based and Varg pilled

You think cops stop crimes? Lol what?

Arent the french notoriously shit at war since bapoleon? I think theres a reason you dont fight, no one wants you on their team

He's a cool dude, signed it even

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How do you think any mass shooting is stopped? They just get tired and walk to jail?

maximum
cringe

Youre living a pipe dream user.

They usually commit suicide.

Wrong, this is maximum cringe

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Because I totally don't train and carry a gun.
Totally keep my head buried in my phone with no situational awareness.

Its totally gonna happen to me. You know it's a statistical minute chance that happens as much as plane crashes. But Its totally gonna happen to me.

Because they got tired or because cops showed up?

happened in el paso SHRUGEMOJI.JPEG

Look guys the jig is up when it comes to the gun control debate. We have studies upon studies with several decades' worth of evidence, and the facts are in: only women and gays want to ban guns because they're unwilling to protect themselves. Men want their guns because they aren't sissy faggots and understand the supreme responsibility of being a man, which includes being the first and last line of defence for himself and his family.
>WAH BUT MUH DEAD KIDS
If women, or in other words the teachers of the United States, were willing to take up firearm training (just like what commercial airline pilots did after 9/11) you would never see another school shooter again. But women don't want that responsibility. Women don't like to live in reality, so they pretend as if they can make the problem illegal and it will go away. You are not a man if you are anti gun. It really is that simple.

Well i hope the nigger that breaks into your home and rapes your girlfriend after beating you to a pulp eventually gets tired and walks down to the sheriffs office

> it can’t happen to me

Right. Where were the faggots like you during literally any mass shooting. You’re bound to have a moment when you’re caught off guard

Oh wait thats your fetish isnt it cuck

You forgot there are a lot of crimes that aren't mass shootings again. Most of them actually.

There have been numerous mass shootings stopped by armed citizens, usually in malls.

They don't get any news time though, because that goes against the agenda. Literally as soon as it comes out that someone other than a cop stopped it, the story dies.

>Look guys
Tldr condescending bullshit

Ok so cops dont stop those? People just decide theyre done breaking the law and turn themselves in?

The point of guns is for the US population to fight off another king George if one were to rise to power, and to defend themselves. The 2nd amendment is a failsafe, and is designed so that every American should have the same firepower as the US govt. Any law restricting firearms is an infringement of the 2nd

No. Cops arrest people after the crime. Sometimes the same day, sometimes weeks later.

spoken like a true woman

If youre the same user and your argument is cops dont stop crimes in the act youre an absolute brainlet

Kekd and checked

I'm jelly. Have everything since he went to paperback. Just got v3 in the post.

Correct. Cops do not stop violent crimes in the act except in very rare cases.

So domestic violence, assault, robbery, drunk driving very rarely get stopped in the action? Youre blowing smoke up your own ass

>So domestic violence, assault, robbery, drunk driving very rarely get stopped in the action
Correct. Domestic violence ususally goes on for years before police get called out at all. Assault very rarely goes on long enough for police to arrive, same with robbery. Drunk driving only a very small portion of people ever get caught for.

Nah. They'll be too busy shooting black people, at least according to you guys' narrative.

>cops will burn down shit

You clearly don't have a form grasp on reality.

*firm

Goddamned automistake.