Why do liberals want to ban guns?

because most gun violence happen in liberal run cities.

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My take on it is that there are a LOT of people that are scared and are looking for answers. But the gun experts and second amendment supporters have not done anything to further a legal solution to gun violence at all.

So, obviously, when someone who promises even a halfbaked solution from the democratic side, they'll get attention.

They don't want tp ban guns.

They just want to make it harder for retards to get them.

Background checks, licenses, etc

Inb4retards

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they don't. also kek at trying to use gun control to demonize "liberal socialists".

The problem is that anytime someone on the right proposes something that is NOT gun control, it gets shouted down by the monkeys on the left.

AR-15s and AKs are the easy target. The other stuff comes next.

>Bolt action hunting rifle with a scope? Nope, a high powered long range sniper weapon.

>12 gauge pump shotgun? Nope, a multi-projectile close range breaching/assault street sweeper.

>9mm handgun? Nope, a concealed fully semi automatic cop killer.

Modern American Liberalism is simply Socialism. Every Socialist country to date has ended up killing their own citizens at some point. Its easier to do that if you disarm them first.

Urban areas in general tend to be more liberal. Conservatives like to focus on Chicago due to its uniquely high rate of gun violence, while ignoring other cities with relatively low rates of gun violence.

None of us want to ban guns.

cuz libtards want to disarm the populace to institute MARITAL LAW!!!!!! ours guns will PROTECT US from the military's TANKS, MISSILES, and UAV

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I know, today it's "assault weapons". Next they will want every semi-auto to be banned. Then the police will be disarmed. And of course while all of that happens niggers and spics will keep all of their guns. Because the democrats do nothing about criminals having them. Instead they want the rest of us to be fucking soft on crime and give their slaves light sentences.

You have no idea what socialism is, do you?

To stop mass killings? Are you dense?

Feels good knowing I don't live in the same country as you retards

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Liberals don't want to ban guns.
Left fascists claiming to be liberals want to ban guns.
Fight them.

Because it's complete hypocrisy. The democrats love to say how gun control works when it obviously doesn't. They say absolutely nothing about their slaves committing gun violence in this country.

>the gun experts and second amendment supporters have not done anything to further a legal solution to gun violence
Who are these "gun experts" you blather about? As 2nd amendment supporters, you mean Citizens who are exercising their Constitutional Rights as provided by Law? And this "legal solution" you seek? If you wish to go about incrementally disarming the people of this country that commit gun violence, start with illegal possessors of fire arms. Take them from juveniles, gangs, convicted felons, illegal aliens, mentally ill, and THEN you can check the numbers again. I'm sure gun violence will have been reduced enough to be lees than abortions and self harm practitioners.

>it obviously doesn't

The data does not reflect that

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1661390

>More gun laws are associated with fewer gun deaths; including both homicides and suicides

journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0193841X8300700305

>States with stricter gun laws have fewer suicide deaths

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504301/

>Stricter gun laws associated with fewer accidental discharge injuries

sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016885101000299X?via=ihub

>Stricter firearms laws have a "significant deterrent effect on male suicide"

>But the gun experts and second amendment supporters have not done anything to further a legal solution to gun violence at all.

Lol, stop being an idiot, user. Most gun violence happens in localities where gun possession is already manifestly prohibitive, namely inner city ghettos like D.C., Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland, etc. How many more gun laws do you need if the existing ones don't work.

>Feels good knowing I don't live in the same country as you retards
Feels good knowing you don't get to vote in my country.

>Muh suicides

So once again, it doesn't do a fucking thing to stop criminals from getting guns. Instead your team demands everyone else change their fucking laws because they can't control their pet monkeys.

Exactly, but liberals expect everyone to just ignore that their slaves already break the laws we have now. Somehow more laws is suppose to change that.

Suicides form a large portion of firearm deaths in the United States. Any debate on gun control should take this into account.

Also:

sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016885101000299X?via=ihub

>Some policies prohibiting gun purchases for "high-risk individuals" are associated with lower rates of violence

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2582989

>Systemic review finds association between more restrictive gun laws and lower homicide rates

I'm not an idiot, but I don't study guns, I'm not an expert and so I look to people who HAVE a stance (even a pro-gun stance) on ways to prevent or reduce gun violence. Perhaps you might be one.

But, I see that while these gun supporters are quick to point out why potential solutions won't work, they don't get involved in the conversation past that. Especially here. So when I ask them "what should we do?", I just get a knee-jerk reaction of basically "don't take our guns!!!"

It's incredibly disappointing and makes gun supporters look like reactionary idiots. Are they idiots? Probably not. Some of my best friends may be pro-gun people and they're pretty sharp. So, if you actually CARE about preserving your gun freedom, take part in the discussion and suggest other things that we can do to help.

And if you DON'T take part, you should not be surprised when people like me make suggestions that you think are BAD.

Silence is consent

You wanna know what we should do? Dish on harder sentences for people who commit gun violence. Of course the slave masters have zero interest in doing that. Instead they want to be fucking soft on violent crime, giving light sentences to every nigger and spic and allowing them to vote while they're in fucking prison. That's the issue we're having here, the dems want literal lawlessness and normal citizens to be defenseless against their monkey mob.

because i like reading orwell
not living it

>Dish on harder sentences for people who commit gun violence

Will this help, though? These shooters are already nutbags and often go in knowing that this is their suicide mission.

No, we don't want that. You don't know what you're talking about.

holy shit you're dumb

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>Will this help, though?
Yes, because less criminals will be on the fucking street.

Yes it is what the fuck you people want. Eventually, your slave masters will want to disarm the police as well. It's only a matter of time at this point. But Tyrone can have any gun he fucking wants and no one says a fucking word about it. And if he gets caught he gets a plea deal and is out on the street in less than a year. All while you fucking pussies claim how "tough" you are on guns. My ass.

No man. You're just spewing barely-coherent, racist shit. It makes zero sense and you have no evidence to back it up. That's why no one in this thread is taking you seriously.

So the democrats are not soft on crime? They dont' want felons to vote? You really believe that?

This is why it's easy to just sit back and poo-poo any gun solution. But when pressed, it's pretty difficult to actually come up with something that might work.

So, when you look at otherwise-well-meaning people coming up with ideas like a gun ban, you'll know where it's coming from. There's no leadership coming from the gun community about this.

Because its not about guns, its about control. Liberals tend to be a bunch of humorless freaks with minimal ambition that want the state to take care of them and guide them from cradle to grave.

To be honest, he brought it on himself. Not walking away from the situation, threatening to kill them, then throwing a baseball bat at them. I don't have any sympathy.

Oh, I definitely want felons to vote, at the very least once they've served their sentences. I don't think that makes me soft on crime, I just don't see the logic of disenfranchising a citizen just because they've been convicted of a crime.

Exactly, I said point blank what we should do and look what happened. This is exactly how it works. Anything short of full blown gun control the democrats don't wanna hear it. Then they wanna bitch and complain about "hur dur republicans dun do nuffin". It's complete bullshit.

Nobody knows that

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>I don't think that makes me soft on crime
Of course you don't think that, because you're fucking stupid. There is no reason at all to allow a fucking felon to vote, none. Except for that they will vote for your fucking team. Thats the only reason the democrats want this.

They want to ban guns so when the come to take your stuff to give it to a queer pangender fae wolfkin or color you wont be able to shoot them in their commie face.

Because conservatives don't know how to handle guns. They're also very irresponsible and drink a lot. Bad mixture.

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which is a damn good thing that we got safer country to vote on

Mhmm

If a felon is at least 18 and a citizen, that's reason enough for them to be able to vote. They're still affected by public policy, so they deserve representation. There's my reasoning, now let's hear yours.

Do you feel this way about felons owning guns as well? Because that right is also taken away from them. Or does this bullshit logic only apply to voting? Because your team wants them to vote since they know they will vote for democrat bullshit. So if you feel this way, since they're "citizens", you must also want them to have guns right? Or does that not fit the agenda?

I'm not saying politicians are honest people, but you've REALLY bought into the propaganda of one side, dude.

FYI I'm not american so I don't really have dog in this fight, just my impression

>FYI I'm not american
Thank god, you sound like a fucking dumb nigger

Its not very easy to get illegal weapons you know in countries where they are illegal... Even for criminals.

I live in a country where there are no other weapons besides hunting rifles on civilians and to own that you need to have participated for a while in those activities and go thru a test of sorts about hunting before hand.

Even motorcycle gangs have trouble getting weapons especially automatic or even semiautomatic.

Fun fact is that conservative in here also support ban on weapons besides hunting rifles here which might baffle you. The US gun policy is just suicidal and for the benefit of the gun manufacturers. =corruption

>if you actually CARE about preserving your gun freedom, take part in the discussion and suggest other things that we can do to help.
Here's an idea. Go into liberal controlled cities and do a huge one night door to door search of public housing complexes. Illegal drugs and firearms search, collect up probation violators and wanted felons. Crime ought to drop the next day. It'll stay down with the illegally held firearm off the streets along with the law breakers. Someone pleas tell me why this won't work? Is it racist to inspect a building owned by law abiding and tax paying citizens?

>Its not very easy to get illegal weapons you know in countries where they are illegal... Even for criminals.
Yet spics in Central/South American do exactly that, despite gun bans

Kind of. I think prohibiting the sale of firearms to certain high-risk individuals (ie. those convicted of violent crimes, repeat offenders, etc.) has proven effective at reducing gun violence. But a blanket ban on felons owning guns is just bad policy.

Yeah HE is the one sounding dumb

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>But a blanket ban on felons owning guns is just bad policy.
Lol and there it is, blatant fucking hypocrisy from the left. You fags wanna cry about muh guns and muh childs, but you want to be fucking soft on crime and your pet monkeys committing gun violence.

Because the democrats don't care about reducing crime. If anything they WANT more crime and violence in this country. The more people that are weak and dependent on the government the better it is for them.

Illegal search and seizure

Interesting how you ignored the part where I support prohibiting firearms sales to people convicted of violent crimes. I guess that doesn't fit the narrative that we're soft on crime.

Bc they keep harming themselves and others.

Those guys were asking to get shot you fucking retard

Who is "they"?

This whole thread is a hearts of iron 4 multiplayer chat and smells like cheese and semen
PUT ME IN THE SCREENSHOTS BEN! Democrats are the real racists #awakening #qarmy

>There's no leadership coming from the gun community about this.
Oh, there's leadership but liberals have tried to make it sound like "ThE gUn NuTs WoN't dO wHaT wE sAy!!1!" Resisting incrementalism of disarming the law abiding citizens is a legitimate point of view.It's even legal. To many of us it's an imperative. Not just a Right but a responsibility.

I was replying to OPs little question. Figure it out smart guy.

Just look at this thread. Anything outside of gun control and gun bans, the democrats shoot it down immediately. But at the same fucking time they wanna be soft on fucking crime and their pet chimps committing those crimes. Because if someone dares to defend themselves against one of their pets the left screams racist.

They were both acquitted, you know.

>I just don't see the logic of disenfranchising a citizen just because they've been convicted of a crime.
So it's OK to commit an act of violence against another Citizen if the criminal accepts the risk of getting caught, doing time, and temporarily loosing Rights, so long as the criminal gets their full Citizens Right back later? I'm getting old and could use a vacation. Tell me where your mother lives so I can commit an act of violence against her. It'll be OK once I do my time. I'm sure her scars will heal and her mental state will return to normal when she understands that I'll be a voter soon. That is if I let her live.

Those that trade safety for freedom and liberty will soon have neither. You don't have a dog in this fight. Sit down and shut up socialist scum.

That is how ridiculous these people are, they want murderers and rapists and gang members voting in elections for judges and sheriffs. Because I'm sure NOTHING bad will happen if we do that. But soon as it's them or one of their family members that's the victim all the joking and laughing stops. Then all of a sudden these people are out for blood. Same people who say guns are evil and should be banned walk around with armed security everywhere they fucking go. They're complete fucking hypocrites.

Sounds like you're looking for a wood chipper ride.

He's another dumb foreigner who lives in a country that gave up all their rights. So he wants us to do the same.

Publicly owned property. Landlords and property owners have the right to inspect their land and buildings.

Stop eating led paint, it's not good for your brain and has no nutritional value

Yes, that's correct. Because otherwise you are continuing to punish them after their sentence has been served with no benefit to the public interest.

You couldn't make the same argument about denying guns to certain felons any more than you could about keeping child molesters away from schools. It's in the public interest to prevent people convicted of violent crimes from buying guns just like it's in the public interest to limit pedophiles' access to children.

So what's the benefit of disenfranchising felons? Do you just want to make sure they don't vote for the 'wrong people'? Or is there some other benefit that you haven't mentioned?

well I guess that's coz their government, police and military are weak. Somehow here in Europe we don't have a huge gun problem even though we have gangs alright. guess its hard to get guns from other side of the world coz there aint that huge country anywhere near where you can buy them like candy.

Lead

How about you try making an actual argument you fucking dumb chimp. Otherwise you can fuck off while the adults talk.

>Because the democrats don't care about reducing crime. If anything they WANT more crime and violence in this country.
Very much proven over a long time period. Liberals don't want to fix the problem. They want to manage the crisis.

In other words it's because spics are fucking stupid. Yeah we all know that already.

Here is an actual argument, go fuck yourself.

There are plenty of guns in Europe....

>in before- What? This is the first time I've ever posted this.

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No there aren't

Yeah, there are.... you just don't know where to look you scared little pussy

>continuing to punish them after their sentence has been served with no benefit to the public interest.
I ignored the rest of your post when I got to this. Committing a felony has consequences. Loosing the Rights of a law abiding Citizen among these lost Rights. Don't be criminal Scum, don't go to jail or loos your Right to vote. God damn that's easy to understand.

"Liberal socialists"

Lmao ok lad

Bullshit. Some felonies should not be felonies and you know that. The judicial system is a business just like the govt.

Because guns kill people.

Not when it comes to niggers it's not. Because the rest of us have to give up the rights to safety, law and order, and self-defense. Because asking niggers to stop breaking the fucking law is asking for too much.

Because they still believe they can reform capitalism.

If they actually understand how bad things were theyd be arming the workers.

>Some felonies should not be felonies and you know that

Name one

So do cars. Are we banning those next?

I can't buy a semiautomatic car and car up a school.

Why? I police officer can make up any kind of shit charge they want. It's up to the court if they are proven guilty? Right faggot?

shes so damn cute

Yea I'm foreigner as you are to me. Though we never really have had the "right" either here to carry weapons around the town...

never have needed a gun for safety. My country is practically one of the safest in the world which is partially because of the gun ban, but also people have huge trust on the police which works very different way from yours, or so I hear from them.

>So he wants us to do the same.
and no, I don't pretend to know that its good for you to ban guns allover. honestly you guys have so much of them that it could actually be dangerous to ban them from all civilians and really hard to control in the same level that in a smaller country like mine is. So in short only banning guns might not cut it and result could be the opposite of what was intended

And I guess I'm actually considered to be in the "concervative right" in the political spectrum. Gun policy just ain't the thing to argue about, everyone pretty much agrees on this.

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Oh, did I use the wrong pronoun? Are you Furry cock suckers? Rainbow antifa? LGBTXYZ freedom fighters? That "big tent" is so full of clowns that keep trying to change the meaning of the language us Conservatives get tired trying to keep up.

Guns are a necessary tool for us to remove the capitalist class from power because the privatized military class that protects them will fold if it actually meets mass opposition.

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So you gonna name one or keep on acting like a dumb nigger?

Evading arrest/detention with a vehicke

Vehicle*

What mass opposition would they be facing?

Now fuck off cocksucking bitch.

This is such a bullshit argument im not sure how people convince themselves of it.

Conservatives: Let's spend even more of military spending and also further militarize the police!

Also conservatives: I need my AR to fight back against big government!

I'd pay money to see any of you gun-fetishists try to fight back against the police, much less SWAT or the actual military. The Founding Fathers™' dream of civilian armed resistance died a LONG time ago.

Rofl and this is exactly what I'm talking about. You think your monkey pets should be allowed to run from the police and assault them without being arrested. You're right, you should be shot to death if you run from the fucking police. Odds are high you are a fucking drain on soceity anyway. Of course that would mean less black dicks for you to shove up your fucking ass.

You still haven't answered my question. What is the public benefit of disenfranchising felons?

Don't you know that regular civilians can coordinate with military precision, and totally won't hesitate in the middle of a fire fight, and actually have the balls to kill people not just talk about it. Every single American Citizen is Rambo.

"Liberal" and "socialist" are antonyms you dumb fuck.

indeed
Not in the level of the US
sure there are guns but you cant go to the local fucking lidl to buy a fucking AK nor can you get one from a gun store. Not even black market from darknet. Its really fucking hard to get one even for gangs but they do get those yes, but its costs them a lot more here and their quality and amount is really low.

What is the benefit to allowing criminals to vote? You vote felons and people in prison to vote for mayors and sheriffs? That makes sense to you, in this fucking ridicuous world you live in?

Do it pussy

Yeah. Keep squawking on annoying little bird.... In all reality, the police and little snitches like you are pretty easy, and soft targets... keep making noise.

Aren't the people released from prison supposedly rehabilitated? If not, why even release them?

Ur right I didn't think about that. Good point

>everyone pretty much agrees on this
Uh, no. I'm not everyone and I don't agree to a government buy back. The government never owned my guns so they would be confiscating them. As to police protection? No. They show up and investigate the crime scene after the fact, but don't prevent crime.

Armed workers rising up to seize control of resources currently owned by a small class of oligarchs.

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Do what?

"Shall not be infringed" what does that mean?

We will just call you a criminal and then you can’t vote. So you won’t vote against us when we call your friend a criminal and then he can’t vote against it...

See how this could be problematic?

No they werent, they posted bail.

Trial is still going on and was stayed for another 90 days last month.

>Aren't the people released from prison supposedly rehabilitated?
The only people who say this stupid shit are the democrats. No one really believes this.

Yeah okay tough guy. Try breaking into somebody's house tonight and watch what the fuck happens to you. Then your monkey ass mother will be in the news saying how her little chimp was going to church and an aspiring rapper. Now get the fuck out of Yea Forums nobody wants you fucking niggers here.

And how long do you think they could actually hold or control those against any kind of military force?

Same self-destructive instinct that makes them push for mass immigration, abortions, etc. Problem is when they want to impose it onto the others who still have their self-preservation instinct

Why can't felons own guns then??

How about you learn some fucking English before giving your retarded opinion out? What you said makes no fucking sense

>breaking into someone's house
I'm not looking for trouble.
But you are. A guy like you, would just be a victim of arson.

There’s a lot more than the last 3 words.

How about the militia being necessary to the security of a free state?

No, you don’t care about that part, you think the second amendment is about stockpiling guns in your home.

Again, go ahead and try it. One less dumbass nigger the rest of us have to pay for.

Why release them then? If people go to prison it should be an immediate death sentence since rehabilitation doesn't work.

Because they don't understand the real reason behind the second amendment. "The government should fear it's people, when the people fear the government you are not truly free" as a left leaning person this is one thing I lean hard right on, we should all have guns and know how to use them.

>a necessary tool for us to remove the capitalist class from power
Did you parents pay for the computer you typed than on? Censored Chinese internet wouldn't allow you to express that opinion. Therefore you are the product of one of those Capitalist Socities. Now go check and see if mom finished microwaving your chicken tendies.

>try it.
You not about shit. Anybody could shoot you dead. You aren't untouchable.

Mate, you are the voice of reason, that automatically disqualifies you from the "discussion.

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That doesnt mean what you think it means and the SCOTUS has confirmed that multiple times.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

Give address Mr. Fearless.

Why don't you ask the fucking democrats that question? They're the ones who want to be soft and give these people rights they don't deserve.

Whoosh.

As I said, the privatized oligarch defense forces will quickly fold as the workers uprise.

No nurses in the hospital to treat the private forces. No farmers in the fields to give them their grain. No shipyard workers to unpack and transport goods from Port.

So without the worker the oligarch and his hired guns have nothing.

The Scalia interpretation of the second amendment is retarded. The conservatives always vote retarded.
Not a surprise.

Your mother's favorite motel, welfare kid I'm there with her every night at 2.

Yes there is, but the entire right itself shall not be infringed

Its been ruled the same way multiple times.

I am the militia

youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8

Soooooo. You're still gonna play the bitch card. Cool. I wouldn't want to fuck with the wrong nigger either.

>Only our interpretation is correct

Sure, if it were up to you communist fags guns would be banned completely

this

I dont agree with all felons being restricted from firearm ownership

Almost seems like those would be the things they seize first. Or have in storage.

The public lacks military coordination let alone on a large scale. Its a nice dream, but a peoples revolution would be tremendously lacklustre.

ANY felons being restricted is infringing.

Wow, what a tough guy you must be. So scared over here. Like I already told your dumb nigger ass, try breaking into somebody's house tonight. Do it. That way they can put a bullet in your ass and end your pathetic monkey life.

>This is such a bullshit argument im not sure how people convince themselves of it.
I defend your Right to have an opposing opinion. You demand I agree with your ideas. Who is the oppressor?

Give me your address bro. I'll kick your fucking head into pulp.

felons can legally own black powder firearms btw

I'm a business owner and homeowner.

I can critique a system while using aspects of the system.

I'm sure the feudal lords noticed the irony when we peasantry used our pitchforks against them.

Unlike you, I'm not a coward bootlicker that guzzles propaganda.

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So basically you want total lawlessness, cool.

This photo. This topic. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

She's just not into you, user. Let it go.

ANY restrictions are against the 2nd amendment .

Not when it is part of the punishment for the crime they have commited.... forfeit of rights is essentially what prison is

So all sentences are life sentences then.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

The republicans are supposed to be the Christian party, the Christians love a come-back story. There are whole sects of “born again” assholes in your party right now. Your whole religious philosophy is predicated on the idea that man can change, repent, and be welcomed into the kingdom of god.
In the Bible, jesus’ Disciples were not perfect Christians - in fact they were some of the worst sinners out there.

But based on actual fact, rehabilitation does work sometimes.

You have to err on the side of not being a faggot, which conservatives never do.

When did I advocate that?

You can't stockpile workers. You can pay them. But only for as long as resources hold out. Without the worker resources will not last and the only option is to fully enslave the worker, a task that would take such large scale resourcing to fully breakdown society leaving us open to foreign enemies.

The worker has more leverage than you realize.

That's the price they pay for the crime they committed. You don't want rights to be taken from you, don't commit felons. It really is that simple.

Fucking racist

Your strawman is weak and shaky

You're saying you want violent criminals to have guns. That is lawlessness.

LMAO you pulled the oppression card!

When ur getting wrecked in an argument, just say your opponent is oppressing your free speech.

Why are you assuming I'm "demanding" anything? I'm saying conservatives are dumb when it comes to gun rights. If this is what you think oppression is, no wonder conservatives are so quick to jump through logical hoops to argue that blacks/gays/women aren't oppressed.

>One law is repealed
>its total lawlessness

Fucking kek

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Of the people, not of the individual. You can tell because the people’s militia is specifically mentioned in the first part of the same fucking sentence.

It’s like if your dad said “since it’s your birthday, and we don’t go out to eat that often, you may order anything you’d like.”

Then you order an Xbox from amazon and then cry “you said I could order ANYTHING I WANT!”

That’s the Scalia interpretation of the second amendment in a nut shell.

A revolution is a dream. The dream so you don't feel powerless.

So murderers and rapists having access to guns isn't lawlessness? Are you seriously this stupid?

Because people will click that... lurk more

>What is the public benefit of disenfranchising felons
The person who committed a crime knew they were breaking a law when they used force against another. Hoping they would get away with it doesn't give them a Get out of Jail Free card. This isn't a fucking game. Would you like the rapist of your mother/wife/daughter to get back his full Citizens Rights after he did his time? How about the robber that killed your family while you were at work? Shouldn't they be happy and get to vote, too? The Drunk that mows down school scildren with his vehicle ought to be allowed to make public policy decisions because after he's done time he's surely going to be a better person and those kids he killed would understand.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

I like the interpretation that takes the whole sentence into account and not just the part that I like... but i’m literate.

Gun violence is directly caused by capitalism. We're on a dying rock with an oligarchy poisoning us and manipulating every day of our life, sucking all humanity and freedom from our existence.

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>antonyms
What school are you attending? Democrat, liberal socialist, communist are all varying degrees of the same mental disorder.

Or what if you get accused of beating up your girlfriend and you can’t disprove it and her friend lies and says she witnessed it?

Should you lose your right to vote forever because you knew you were committing a crime?

Well it for sure doesn’t say that...

Empathy is not a mental disorder.

I'm 99% positive this guy is baiting at this point. He's now just saying ALL felons should have guns in order to prove whatever bullshit point he was trying to make. Let's be clear about something. The ONLY reason the democrats want these people to vote, is because they WILL vote democrat. That's it. This has nothing to do with fucking rights.

>Why do liberals want to ban guns?

because people are easier to control if they cant fight back.

Really? Then how do you explain Africa and the Middle East?

They literally already do, they can legally own black powder firearms.

>law·less·ness
>/ˈlôləsnəs/
>noun
>a state of disorder due to a disregard of the law.

Because they can't force an armed populace to do what they want.

>they can legally own black powder firearms
So now you're just gonna make up literal bullshit? Just stop dude, you're making yourself look more and more retarded by the post.

They won’t vote republican because the republicans are thrives and crooks who would sell out their own mothers for that sweet sweet slush money.

Like seriously criminals. Like they have 38 times more convicted crooks than the democrats in the last 50 years.
Not 38 more, not 38% more, 38 times more. That’s 3800% more.
Look it up, I know you won’t. That wouldn’t play into the “both sides” narrative that trump thumpers like to lean on.

>Clicking links instead of embedding.
Lurk moar you reddit spacing catamite.

Amen brother. Fuck the anti-2nd cock suckers.

see
Taking the whole sentence into account gives the interpretation you dont like.

You certainly take your Yea Forums seriously. You must be a very cool guy

Do they have a lone shooter problem? That's what we're discussing. Loan shooters.

I would also argue that capitalism and imperialism are also the direct cause of nearly all political violence in the Middle East and Africa.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda were invented and supported to oppose communism.

No ones watching your little movie.
Why don’t you just present your argument like the rest of us?

Kek you stupid demofag

If you want to stop gun violence then ban niggers. Trust me, that will solve everything, almost everything, ban spics as well and we'll be on mars in five years.

atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-person-prohibited-law-possessing-firearm-own-black-powder-firearm

Takes 2 seconds to not look like a retard user.

Stupid fuck felons can own black powder firearms in some places. Shut the fuck up already with your ignorance.

thats what I thought faggot.

No we aren't JUST talking about lone shooters you dipshit. This whole thing has been about gun violence across the board. Of course the dems only care when it's not one of their pets doing it. And of course you would say that, because you're a fucking retard. You're one of those dumbasses who thinks everyone was holding hands and signing bond fire songs before the USA was created. It's never your chimp's fault for anything.

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Because no one needs an ar-15 for hunting or self protection. A rifle for hunting, a shotgun for home defense and maybe a pistol for your car all you need. Guns aren't toys, they are tools and should be afforded the respect and reverance they deserve.

First off, minorities are not the ones shooting up schools and churches with possibly a couple cherry-picked exceptions.

If you’re worried about the people that are getting shot by African Americans and Latinos, you probably shouldn’t have joined a street gang.

That’s who they shoot, people they know who they have personal conflicts with.
They aren’t the “kill all Jews” faggots that shoot babies.

Secondly YOU are the best example of why we shouldn’t have private gun ownership. No one would trust you to watch their drink at a bar, let alone trust you to make life and death decisions.

>However, a person subject to federal firearms disabilities may not receive and/or possess black powder firearms that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof which are classified as "firearms." Additionally, state law may prohibit the possession of a black powder firearm by persons who are not federally prohibited from possessing them. Please contact your state's Attorney General’s Office for information regarding black powder firearms.

In other words, they can't own one. Of course you left out that fucking part.

Says your fearless demofag leader beto.

>Because no one needs

Its not called the bill of needs user.

I fucking hate Democrats. Liberals are destroying the planet with their "capitalism/imperialism with a friendly face". They are deluded grifters.

We need true socialism. We need to remove the oligarchs from power and give the power to the workers without the leech class that exploits our hard work.

Democrats and republicans alike exist to serve oligarchs. I prefer freedom to slavery.

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You cant turn a black powder gun into a non black powder gun

Who the fuck are you to say what people do or don't need? Speak for yourself and nobody else. That's your fucking problem.

I heard he wants to ban bombs too!

That’s an outrage!
Right?
Banning bombs is an outrage too, right?

Imagine being this fucking stupid. Niggers and spics shoot and kill innocent people all the fucking time. You are a fucking idiot if you think they *only* shoot other gang members. Also hilarious how you say this as if it's suppose to be some kind of fucking excuse. So we all have to give up our guns, but it's okay for gang members to have their. Get the fuck outta here.

>You cant turn a black powder gun into a non black powder gun
Oh yeah? Then why bother including that?

The second amendment says that a militia is necessary... like as in “needed,” but go ahead, keep making the worst possible arguments ever. It’s cute.

Nah that guy is right, there are a bunch of felons in my reenactment troop for this reason.

Yeah and no one needs to drink alcohol or eat fast food either. Why doesn't your team demand that be banned too?

exactly, thats why its a right, not privilege.

You dont have to prove your need for a right.

I'm someone that believes individualism and capitalism are inherently violent systems that require violence to maintain power in the hands of a select few.

Without a monopoly on violence (manufactured by the state) the oligarchs wouldnt be able to continue to leech off the workers.

The state and the oligarch are two sides of the same coin. We much kill them both of we want peace.

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You probably wouldnt be able to go into a school and give like 20 pregnat people abortions on the spot

Oh so who decides when it can be infringed then?

Not talking about bombs fag keep up demofag

Then you should report them to the fucking police

Except the republicans are worse in every possible way.
Literally 38 times more crooks than the other side of the aisle in the last 50 years.

So the “both sides are the same” argument doesn’t really work.

You may call them “the same” but the democrats are 1/38th as much “the same.”

The same reason they are the party of racism slavery and hate.
Small minds jump to emotions before logic

Fuck you

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No im saying what the fucking text is saying.

Theres no federal restrictions on felons owning black powder firearms, the text is explaining a converted black powder is no longer exempt.

I'm just saying that anything else is impractical. You can't hunt with an ar-15, they aren't accurate enough for that. That deer will be gone the second you fire that shot and miss. One shot, one kill, dress it and get it to the butcher for steaks. You need to calm the hell down.

I hope the police shoot you.

>I'm retarded and a child
>I hate capitalism but reap the benefits of it every single day

People like you are such fucking hypocrites. If it's such an evil people move your bitch ass to China then. Of course fags like you don't do that because you wouldn't last 2 fucking days in that country without getting arrested or starving to death.

Theyre not breaking the law you fucking idiot, they got into reenactment to continue their shooting hobbies legally after conviction.

I know at least one had his fucking parole officer attend once.

Kys

Which one? Cali? NY? They're all the same. No province comes close to the numbers

You say that like it’s true.
No one said that minorities should keep their guns - not me, not any politician. That’s a straw man.
You should give up your guns because you’re a fucking racist nutcase.

You are literally proving how terrible you having a gun is.

Fair point. But we're going to kill ourselves with global climate change if we don't make large massive change and shills like Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar aren't going to help.

Granted yes, the further right wing is objectively way worse for the world in every single way.

But I still think of Democrats as right wing. They'd be the conservative party in any other nation.

Well all I really know that we dont have guns all around like cansy on the store and we have one of the lowest gun violence rate in the world.
You have the oppostie

Didin't really talk about police preventing crime in general... But about their methods and trust people have on them which makes their work easier in away. Lately because of muslim immigrantion and political issues of it this might have seen some change. I mesn like when police comes near a car they stoped they are not so edgy and triggerhappy with their guns even if the person stopped might act strangely.

>one shot one kill
Shut the fuck up. Many people use ARs to shoot Hogs. You ever touch a hog? You have any idea how thick their bone and skin is? ARs are plenty accurate. I'll wait for you to come up with some more bullshit to argue about.

China is state capitalism you retard.

The real question is why the fuck are you hanging out with felons? Are you a nigger?

Dumb.
Not even close to a good argument.
Remember that guy in Nevada who force-fed all those people fast food at the country music concert, killing 73 people in 90 seconds???

That’s the dumbest argument. Keep it up, brainlet.

Alcohol and fast food aren't designed to kill, guns are. I see these assholes that treat them like toys. You keep doing that, and you're going to fuck it up for the rest of us. I like hunting, it's fun and I don't need immature cock suckers giving people the excuse they need to take my right to hunt away from me.

No it's not retard. Another stupid ass liberal who knows jack shit about anything.

So when someone's opinion differs from yours they are stupid. You have such deep unshakeable ideals about how the world should operate that you game the system for your own profit while shouting how unfair it is. Hippocracy much?

You're a fucking moron. Do the workers own the means of production? No. They don't. It's not socialism you fucking idiot.

Are you being Serious some fuking AK wont do shit in a drone fight. Your workers are gonna get slaughtered

Fuck all these Democrats talking about gun confiscation.

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Lol, "the rest of us", like I'm suppose to believe a faggot like you owns a gun. Who the fuck are you to decide what people do or don't need? But if somebody told you that you dont need a car and you can take the fucking bus, your bitch ass would cry about that.

Uh yeah. You are fucking stupid. That's not my fault retard.

I doubt you've ever hunted in your life. A 30 ought 6 will take down a hog easily and with better accuracy. You're just aping that argument that Twitter fag had about 30 hogs on his yard.

That fucking nigger deserved to get shot. Threatening someone just so you can hog the dumpster with your coom covered mattress. What an entitled faggot.

If they slaughter us all there will be no one to ship their goods, administer their medicine, teach their children, or plant their crops.

The worker has power for as long as there are workers.

When the reason for keeping and beating arms is stated as being necessary for the security of a free state in the exact same sentence as the part you like, you don’t have to justify your right. The reason it right there. They are for a citizens’ Militia.
But you don’t want a regular militia, you want to keep guns in your house because of some shoot-em-up fantasy that you beat off to.

It’s neat and all, but your interpretation is still retarded.

>and with better accuracy
noguns faggot confirmed

Believe whatever you want, I'm having phesant tonight. What are you having? Did you waddle your fat ass down to the king Soopers and pick up some frozen pizzas?

I love how y'all are just proving my point.

>Fucking racist
I didn't say nigger, spick or honkey anywhere in my post. If the statistics point to certain races committing more crime as a percentage of population that the society they choose to be part of. You are the racist for assuming my skin color. Just because I can spell doesn't keep me from being other than white.

I have a .30-06 too you retarded mongoloid. I'm sure you bait and don't actually hunt, you fat fuck head.

I just want to ban op's guns specifically.

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Because they are stupid whites

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I don’t believe in private gun ownership. I believe that a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state.
I believe the people should keep and bear arms there, in the aforementioned militia, where they receive training and weapons that make them equal to regular (well-regulated) soldiers.

The GOP has hijacked the amendment to get rid of the militia (which threatens their control) and got their base fired up about having guns in their homes, which has largely lead to retards killing each other, themselves and other people’s kids.

In other words, not a threat to the power structure.

China is a fucking communist country you fucking moron. Like I said, go live there if you hate capitalism so much. North Korea and Cuba are also options. So why don't you move there? Afraid to walk the walk?

Except the conservative calling you a fucking retard for wanting to ban guns is correct. If you support a gun ban and run around calling people nazis you should fucking kill yourself.

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I'm super liberal, and I don't think all guns need to banned.

A pistol and shotgun are all you need for self defense.

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You sound mad. Are you mad? You might want to work on your internet anger issues.

Yeah, thanks for confirming you don't own guns faggot

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because most liberals, like most republicans, are fucking retarded

So you dont actually care about gun deaths you just want the power to take from someone?

>When ur getting wrecked in an argument, just say your opponent is oppressing your free speech.
You spin in so many circles you've lost your direction. Common liberal tactic to pop off and screeeech if someone else has a valid point of view. Proclaiming The Other Guy's whole view point is bullshit because they don't agree with you? You don't even agree with you. The door's that way. Please drive thru.

Bombs are arms. We’re talking about the not be infringed. So why aren’t we upset that bombs and chemical weapons are banned?

Keep up, it’s literally in the thing you don’t understand but are defending as if you did.

Cuba is dope. I def would live there. But there's work to be done here. I'm not going to abandon my family. I'm not going to give up knowing the global impacts of capitalism. The blight will destroy our world and I'm in the heart of it today. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to keep organizing.

sorry you live in cucked country. you should have shot commies when you still had guns.

Yes, to make it harder for mass murder to happen

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top 5 dem front runners have a platform to ban all firearms. are you really this dumb or just really bad at trolling?

How so?

I take them out of faggots like you. That's why you're here, bitch.

>Cuba is dope. I def would live there.
Then go you fucking pussy. What's the hold up? Ain't nobody forcing you to stay here.

chicago is full of republicans?

Are you fucking mental can you not read?
Read OPs post again you fucktard.

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Oh, you're mad. Sorry man, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Don't worry, if you take it just one day at a time and stay in your safe space, you'll be just fine.

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They are a center-right party. There are a few outliers, but mostly they are a bit conservative.
This has a lot to do with the dramatic push to the right over the last 20 years or so. The democrats made the mistake of fighting for the “undecided voter” and moved their policies steadily toward what appeared to be a moderate stance in comparison to the republicans.

Regardless, we aren’t going to get where we need to be if we keep voting conservative.

Suck it up and vote left of the GOP, it’s not perfect but it’s at least 38 times better if you don’t like crooks.

Accurate

As I said, I have work to do. Did you just stop reading cuz you're retarded or did you really think ignoring my entire reasoning was some genuine argument.

I think logically it would be the multi round weapons with very little purpose outside of killing, the rifle with scope probably makes the cut. Mostly it's because most of us city folk have little reason for needing guns, they litteraly do more harm than good in population centers.

And here comes the "i'll make a gross exaggeration because I have no actual argument" card.

>As I said, I have work to do
Like turning 18 and finishing high school?

Is "city folk" liberal talk for kike?

Till you read the definition of militia LOL

You need to be 18 to post here.

Oh yeah, I vote and advocate still for Dems. I even volunteer and donate.

But the brunt of my work is in labor and renter organizing. I've lost faith in electoralism so I've started doing the street organizing with unions more.

Nixon opened China up to capitalism in, I believe, 1972.
They are definitely embroiled in American capitalism, traditionally on the supply side but a growing middle-class in China is starting to boost Chinese consumerism.

That's selective empathy. You have already convicted all gun owners of murder when your agree that your party should confiscate all weapons. Do I get to execute all recipients of an abortion because I "feel" it's murder? A pregnancy can be avoided by not committing the act, or using protection. My gun has killed less people that Ted Kennedy's car but you've decided I'm guilty of a Future crime.

Definitions need updating sometimes. Amending even.

Mostly renter and labor organizing. I'm working on getting rent control established in my area rn. Hard work.

I'm also putting away all my extra income with a few friends to acquire some camp land for training and organizing purposes. But that's more hobbyist shit than true tactics. The real shit is helping out with strikes.

Okay, then he can move to North Korea. Let me guess they aren't communist either right?

The statistics only tell us who gets arrested and convicted of crimes.

But, you are a racist white guy, though, right?

Now now children play nice

Not all liberals want to ban guns. I am a socialist and I have been stockpiling--I mean, collecting various firearms for decades. Strictly as an investment, you know.
Now, if by any chance we succeed in getting a revolution started and making my dream of the streets running red with the blood of the elites--I mean, if I ever need to go hunting, they might come in handy.

>We need true socialism.
Ahh, so YOUR socialism is going to be TRUE socialism unlike all the other times it was tried. Um, yeah. No.

No they don’t. You need to look more closely as the feces you swallow.

Yeah yeah. Squawk squawk

Because they’re dumbasses

They don’t want “sensible gun control”, they want to disarm the people who stand a chance at overthrowing them. There’s a good reason why large corporations endorse gun-control libs, and it’s because they’ve learned from the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution - if regular people have arms, they will use them against the rich if pushed enough. Liberals, who are all about maintaining that status quo, don’t want people to be able to do that, because that’d hurt their donors. It even gets to the point where during the Chinese civil war, the PLA literally stole tanks and aircraft.

In the 21st century, where late stage capitalism is simultaneously fucking over everyone, they don’t want people learning from what the Soviets or the Vietnamese or the Chinese or Koreans did. If you have a chapter of the SRA (socialist rifle association) near you I’d recommend asking them about it.

“Under no pretext should Arms and ammunition be surrendered, and all
attempts to do so must be resisted, if necessary by force.” - Marx

This is a false flag operation orchestrated by an even bigger power, pulling the strings behind the curtains. All of a sudden, we’re seeing more random acts of mass shootings and they’re not slowing down. As these attacks go on, the regulations they impose become stricter and stricter until one day, you’ll willingly give up your firearms “for the public good” without realizing you’ve been coerced into doing so.
So the government CANNOT take away your firearms, but you can surrender it if you choose to. Let that sink in...

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Hell yeah brother

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>it doesn't do a fucking thing to stop criminals from getting guns
You ignore the truth with that statement, it makes it harder, I agree not impossible though

Democrats are capitalists.

Arms does mean weapons, not exclusively firearms.
It’s not hyperbole to call a bomb a weapon.

Learn 2 English.

They say this bullshit every time

>Oh but that wasn't real socialism
>THIS time it will work
>We swear

Underrated post

I can't wait for trump to win in 2020.
Fuck democrats and their dangerous thinking. And especially fuck Beto. Communist fuck.

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300 million people. Guns. Blah blah.

>it makes it harder
Yeah for CITIZENS, not criminals. As it is now criminals get any guns they please.

I’ve not convicted anyone of anything. I’m sure that there are responsible gun owners out there. I’m also pretty sure you’re not one of them.

I don’t think we should default to allowing you to own a gun.

Do you think we should default to giving everyone a driver’s license and then revoking it when they prove that they don’t know how to drive?
There’s absolutely nothing in our society that works like that and for good reason.

As far as you wanting to kill people that have abortions: THAT is the reason we do t trust you with a gun. You’re a fucking loon.

>any gun they want

With an incredible deal of difficulty sure.

It's not difficult at all for them to get guns you moron, that was the point

They say “socialism is destined to fail!”
Spend literally trillions of dollars for 80 years to combat socialism
Socialist countries still exist.
“Socialism is destined to fail!”

Guns sure. But any gun they want? Thats the point of that statement.

Comparing guns to cars, nice. Just proves you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about.

Yes, any gun they want, like they do right now. Are you all caught up or do you need a few more minutes?