Why can't we torture animals for fun?
Why can't we torture animals for fun?
Andrew Mitchell
Jaxon Davis
Because its irrational, coward, stupid and those people always end up bad. My fantasy is torture animal abusers 10x worse. Maybe burn them alive.
Michael Brown
kys
John Morgan
haha thats fucking epic win my man. i do turned 14 this year and i have a lot of sex haha
Colton James
Ethics
Isaac Rivera
Cuz then i would want my right to torture animal abusers which way more fun. Oh well
Parker Diaz
Coz it's not fun. It's childish.
Easton Lopez
Because it means you have a mental disorder and will likely be locked up
Aaron Myers
Cuz is not fun unless youre a total schizo psycho monster who enjoys the suffering of others
Jack Gutierrez
because it could harm empathy to the point where this person will be eventually harmful to humans. otherwise, it isn't much different of "torturing" a rock that screams or a plant
Bentley Miller
Fuck you.
Luis Walker
because we are also animals and we have empathy unlike niggers who do this shit.
Dominic Clark
Die
Adam Morris
Torturing animals isn't like torturing a rock, it's like torturing a human. Both humans and animals have feelings and pain sensors, rocks don't.
Jackson Moore
Say hi to Reddit
Cooper Gonzalez
You’re fucked in the head buddy...
Jack Moore
nope, humans have a "first view perception" (read consciousness/soul/etc), and this is what give value to them, animals do not have it, they are only extremely complex machines of entropy, humans usually don't think like this because they have the ability to be moral and feel empathy.
Owen Sanchez
no he's just an edgy retard expressing his pent-up rage
Robert Anderson
[citation needed]
The only thing that makes any sort of sense to me is that humans and animals are exactly the same in this context, we are more intelligent but that does not mean our subjective experience of pain is any different.
Blake Gutierrez
pain is a mechanism to keep the machine running until it creates a new one (reproduction), plants also have something similar, and this is a completely irrelevant factor (or start a crusade for the plants rights)
Brandon Collins
1. So what? That applies to humans too. Does that mean it's okay to torture humans?
2. Plants do not have something similar in this context, because a crucial part of the subjective experience of pain is the brain that processes the signals, which plants do not have.
Nathan Gomez
James Bennett
There's a perfectly good rekt thread for this
Angel Hernandez
woah dude thats hella epic just like my fortnite victory royales
James Turner
Sage goes in all fields.
Jacob Cruz
1. Nope, in here i could give three reasons
1.1- (utilitarian) normatizing torture, means that it eventually could happen to you (animals don't have the ability to plan it against you)
1.2- (moral) humans are conscient beings, so different from animals they are able to have an type of suffering that is not simply a mechanism to keep you alive.
1.3- (ethic) any conscious being have right to property
Colton Howard
2- plants do have a mechanism that reacts to an attack, basically the same essence of pain. and plants are ridiculously complex (read later about the "tree's internet"), they are just too different to receive the same amount of empathy from humans (and the shouldn't receive, as animals shouldn't)
Joshua Phillips
you're actually munted man
Blake Rogers
2 and 3 are invalid because animals are conscious too, we have no evidence that they aren't. And I don't even understand what you are trying to say with 1, I'm not normalizing torture, I'm denouncing it.
We are not talking about just any mechanism for defense, we are talking about a brain processing the pain signals and interpreting it as qualia. Wouldn't it be great if our brains could just block out pain signals and handle them on autopilot without us experiencing it, like plants can, but it can't.
Jeremiah Fisher
vegan cuck pwned with facts and logic (EPIC SJW FAIL COMPILATION)
Chase Ross
Caleb Watson
> animals are conscious too, we have no evidence that they aren't.
wrong, no matter which belief you have to conscious, be it a soul or the result of a complex brain, they can't fall under this category.
> And I don't even understand what you are trying to say with 1, I'm not normalizing torture, I'm denouncing it.
You asked for a reason to don't torture humans, this is one (and actually does apply for animals, as it could indicate a human with a lack of empathy, and as such a danger to other humans)
> we are talking about a brain processing the pain signals and interpreting it as qualia.
why care about "implementation details"? it just that, a detail
> Wouldn't it be great if our brains could just block out pain signals and handle them on autopilot without us experiencing it, like plants can, but it can't.
Actually humans can do that, it's called depersonalization that happens in situations of extreme stress, but i think that it don't happen to animals. So by this logic we could torture only plants and humans
Brayden Carter
Why can't we hunt you for sport?
Brandon Rogers
Evan Long
Chase Roberts
Jacob Lopez
>wrong, no matter which belief you have to conscious, be it a soul or the result of a complex brain, they can't fall under this category.
Yes they can, they have more than enough of a complex brain to be conscious.
>why care about "implementation details"? it just that, a detail
It's not an implementation detail, it's the whole point. Torture is wrong not because it leads to a triggering of a defense mechanisms, but because it generates negative qualia. Thus the argument is irrelevant to lifeforms that do not have a brain to process qualia, even if it has a pain-like defense mechanism.
>Actually humans can do that, it's called depersonalization that happens in situations of extreme stress, but i think that it don't happen to animals. So by this logic we could torture only plants and humans
It *can* happen to humans, but it doesn't always happen, so that's a ridiculous conclusion.
Jeremiah Perez
Nathaniel Howard
Asher Robinson
Benjamin Rivera
Samuel Baker
dude are you ok
Andrew Ortiz
> Yes they can, they have more than enough of a complex brain to be conscious.
Even the creatures with the most developed brains are not even close to the humans one (apparently there are whales with more neurons, but i would consider this another indicative that humans are even more special)
> It's not an implementation detail, it's the whole point.
The brain receives signal that is under attack, and should do something about it (not smart enough to supress when there's nothing to do about it), so is just that a mechanism to incetivate the lifeform that is under attack to avoid the attack.
> It *can* happen to humans, but it doesn't always happen, so that's a ridiculous conclusion.
We have more than one mechanism of defense to this, and i highly doubt that there's a single human that can handle torture without a few of them activating
Christopher Garcia
Joseph Hill
Tyler Clark
Brayden Walker
Gavin Ward
>Even the creatures with the most developed brains are not even close to the humans one (apparently there are whales with more neurons, but i would consider this another indicative that humans are even more special)
Hence why humans are more intelligent than animals, but I've yet to hear you answer why that matters for the experience of pain. Animals behave exactly like humans when they are hurt, so what makes you think their brains are handling it any differently?
>The brain receives signal that is under attack, and should do something about it (not smart enough to supress when there's nothing to do about it), so is just that a mechanism to incetivate the lifeform that is under attack to avoid the attack.
Like I said: Either that is all there is to it, in which case it is okay to torture humans too because it applies to us too, or there is a subjective experience of pain involved, which also applies to animals because they have brains to process such experiences just like humans.
>We have more than one mechanism of defense to this, and i highly doubt that there's a single human that can handle torture without a few of them activating
Ok, so you really are saying that it's okay to torture humans? I'm about to give up trying to reason with you.
Hudson Cook
Hudson Rogers
Aaron Barnes
Justin Foster
Jose Collins
> Animals behave exactly like humans when they are hurt, so what makes you think their brains are handling it any differently?
I don't care about how their brain handle physical pain, it just its mechanism of survival, bad luck for it to obtain one that is extremely bad at handling extreme situations
> Either that is all there is to it, in which case it is okay to torture humans too because it applies to us too
Even if you discard completely moral (that doesn't make sense to extend to other life beings), yet you would have the utilitarian and ethical reasons to not torture humans
> which also applies to animals because they have brains to process such experiences just like humans.
This is a mistake that humans usually do because of how much they humanize other life forms, the most loved pets have brains extremely "stupid" compared to the better ones that we have (by observation the human one is the ideal one)
> Ok, so you really are saying that it's okay to torture humans?
no, i would say that any life form that have conscious, that is, the "first view percepetion" and the ability to reason about itself and the environment, would have the ethical and utilitarian reasons to don't be tortured (also moral would make sense to apply)
Ayden Harris
I have always seen animal torturers worst of the humanity. They just don't deserve pity and they usually are even too weak to fight humans.
Michael Russell
Luke Cruz
Weirdo
Mason Young
why do you put space after your meme arrows retard
Nolan Gutierrez
torturing animals usually is a signal of psychopathy, so actually is pretty dangerous to be to close of people like this. In theory torturing animals shouldn't be illegal, but in practice it is, so punish those people in legal and social ways
Jack Young
Lucas Sullivan
Listen, I implore you to not torture animals. I beg you. I've given up trying to reason with you, but just consider this: If you don't torture animals and I'm wrong, all that happens is that you wasted some opportunities for a little fun (if you for some reason find it fun??), and if I'm right, you will have spared these animals for immeasurable amounts of pain and suffering. Which is these possibilities weigh higher?
James Morales
In russia they changed the law for this reason and began punishing animal abusers more heavily. The prosecutor said it's not uncommon to gut a dog today and tomorrow a toddler.
Dominic Price
> Listen, I implore you to not torture animals.
Don't worry i won't, while i don't care too much about animals i wouldn't be in favor of torturing them. I just arguee against them because i hate that humans are giving more value to animals than other humans. And as i said, i do consider torturing animals a problem, it indicates a ill person, that is a danger to other humans, they should be at veary least keep away from society
How to they handle these cases? other countries usually just keep the person in jail for some time and them release them again, this is completely retarded and i doubt that could work.
Brayden Moore
Do it, OP.
Elijah Wright
>Don't worry i won't, while i don't care too much about animals i wouldn't be in favor of torturing them. I just arguee against them because i hate that humans are giving more value to animals than other humans. And as i said, i do consider torturing animals a problem, it indicates a ill person, that is a danger to other humans, they should be at veary least keep away from society
Ok, that's fine then. Thank you
Camden Garcia
You can if you pay them minimum wage.
Nicholas Gray
Because I'll come for you
Brayden Anderson
Wooow, this is SOOOO SICK, you REALLY need to go to a mental hospital, humans are SICK
Oliver Hernandez
Cause torturing animals is rookie fag level. Torture humans if you really have balls. But you won't, cause you're just a chicken fag who only wants to torture animals cause an animal can't do anyting back to your chicken tard ass.
Nathan Gutierrez
>1. So what? That applies to humans too. Does that mean it's okay to torture humans?
I don't see a problem with it. I can get the logic of it.
People who prey on the weak need to be preyed on themselves, we should torture them too, eye for an eye
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Nolan Rivera
This man right here spitting facts, go suck a cock and cry about not being able to kill a cat or something, pussy
Lucas Torres
I'm in the same boat man. People think that this is abnormal. It isn't.
Animal abusers are pieces of shit who need to be taken care of tbh. But everyone here is a snowflake bleeding heart liberal who doesn't want to cause anyone pain or harm, even unto those who cause pain and harm to others.
Zachary Rivera
All this degenerate trap filth/garbage.
I'm blessing this place up man. We need Jesus in this bitch. Bout to get some holy water out next
Jaxon Watson
bless up, now send some real pics
Christian Reed
Give up Yea Forumsros this guy is a nutcase that deserves hell
Aiden Russell
I would arguee that torturing humans is just as easy
Stupid argument to use in favor of animals, as a lot of them would kill humans if they were alone and unarmed. That said, violence is the only correct answer for violence
> cry about not being able to kill a cat or something, pussy
Oh nooooo, imagine not being "able" to kill a cat, such a sad life
While violence should be answered with violence, giving the same amout of punishment, that is torturing the torturer, probably would harm the empathy of the new torturer, as such making him ill and a potential danger to society