Taking away my healthcare and giving me shitty government healthcare

Yeah because Medicare works so well.

Very well said. Get rid of insurance and make it pay as you go. Can you imagine if you couldn't afford groceries? No worries--food insurance! Can't afford the rent? Apartment insurance. Well, we don't have insurance for any of those things, but Obama FORCED us to buy health insurance? Ridiculous. No insurance? Health care costs would plummet. No college loans? College tuition would plummet. And so forth.

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>enjoying Ben Garrison
You're a disgrace to politics and shouldn't even be involved. Nobody should listen to that clown, right or left

Divide and Conquer. Diversity is the death of Democracy because as soon as you can no longer reach a majority nothing gets done (when was the last piece of legislation congress came out with? i'll wait). hence the complete polarization of Amercian politics.

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To be honest I just googled “the dems going to far left” and this popped up.

No idea who the artist is

People already avoid using the hospital's ambulance and go for a private ambulance service because it's cheaper and works better. Just like at companies like Ambustar.

My mom had an issue a few years back where her lungs were filling up with fluid due a valve failing in her heart. They flew her across the state to a heart center because no hospital around here had with the staff with the right expertise to help her.

If you had the ability to go to a doctor that was only charging $25 for snake antivenom across town I bet you'd go if the hospital down the street was charging $5000.

Not everything is a heart attack as well.

If there was food insurance, an apple would cost $250 each. People would have to wait in line all day for an apple too.

>everything is covered
Medicare for all, single-payer, would cover everything

>choose my doctors
Medicare for all would allow you to choose ANY doctor since all doctors took medicare in a single payer system.

>low deductible
Medicare for all would have no deductible.

>appointment within days of making it
That's up to the doctor office and not your insurance. Unless you have a stipulation in your insurance for special doctors you need to first get a general practitioner to give a reference.

>What don't you like about yours?

Well for starters I spent most of my life as one of those 50 million with out insurance.

Then when I've worked for companies that offer benefits. I don't really have a choice... I get what the company gives me. Which is generally garbage. My current employer actually has some reasonablish insurance (they do a weird system where we don't actually get insurance but instead we're given access to a communal account that the entire company draws from as insurance and the company pays a fee to cigna for access to its network/pricing). Thing is I'm not going to be with this company for ever and therefore again will have no choice but to take whatever grab bag of insurance the next company I work for has. Or if I go back to self-employed/freelancing get ass-raped in the open-market.

Now of course I did once have really fucking amazing company when I worked for this one company years back (a porn site funny enough). It covered fucking EVERYTHING. Hell it covered boob jobs. Several people in the office got boob jobs on it.

Thing is... sure, I should just find that job again. A place that offers amazing ass insurance. But the problem there is that not everyone gets to work there. Oh yay, I have the insurance. But not the 50 million who are uninsured, and the next 30-50 million who are under-insured.

Well fuck them though... I got mine!

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But the problem with those people is that they still go to the hospital. Thing is that they don't get preventative care, they just go when they're deathly ill. So it ends up needing more work and costing more.

But they don't pay either... they're broke after all.

So now they're in collections, and going bankrupt, and all that fun stuff.

But fuck them, they get what they didn't pay for. I got mine!

But wait... the hospitals did work. They didn't get paid though? But there was still costs involved. How were those costs covered?

Oh that's right. They up the cost of medicine for everyone else to cover those who can't pay. Also some of our tax dollars goes towards those costs anyways. But the costs still inflate because now there's all this work/red tape/cost involved with shifting all of this money around anyways.

This is why the USA pays more per person on healthcare than the rest of the developed nations yet has no better health results.

I believe in universal healthcare for very selfish reasons. I want poor people that aren't me covered for very selfish reasons. Because it's more expensive for me to have them sick rather than healthy.

>If you had the ability to go to a doctor that was only charging $25 for snake antivenom across town I bet you'd go if the hospital down the street was charging $5000.

And while I'm dying from a snake bite I'm going to pull out my cellphone and search the anti-venom pricing at every hospital and then select the one that is cheapest regardless of distance because you know... time isn't an issue when I need anti-venom.

>Not everything is a heart attack as well.

Yep sometimes it's a snake bite.

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How about this... I know that the anti-venom is covered regardless because our tax dollars go to paying for the medicine and regulating the pricing so that one hospital can't charge 5000$ for a anti-venom that should be able to be sold at 25$.

Love how he has to label who everyone is, because his braindead followers wouldn't understand otherwise

And what happens when you change jobs? Now you don't have those choices, you have X choices that the other company offers which may vary in quality/cost from your current.

What if you get sick and lose your job from long term health issues and lose said insurance?

What if you end up at a small company with less than 50 employees and they aren't required to give you insurance?

What about the other people out there that don't have access to health insurance because their company pulls shady shit to avoid getting insurance?

Anyways... WHY THE FUCK IS IT MY EMPLOYERS JOB TO GET ME INSURANCE? THAT'S FUCKING WEIRD!

wont that just mean hospitals will turn into third world shitshows though

addendum

I should also point out that the amazing company with amazing insurance. That company has since stopped offering that amazing insurance and they now have shitty insurance. The company used to be the top dog camwhore site in the world, but they fell behind the competition and were no longer top-dog and therefore their profits dropped so they slashed insurance.

Yay, now my insurance isn't just whatever my company offers. But it can change unbenownst because my company just so happened to hit tumultuous financial times outside of my control.

Another company I worked for who offered mediocre insurance did a similar thing and dropped our insurance to even worse garbage because of financial issues.

And sure, I could just not work for companies that hit hard times. But wait... 1) if I could fucking read the future that fucking well why don't I just go work wallstree!? and 2) the second company was caused by the 2008 recession and impacted the entire god damn world for fucks sake! 3) what is everyone supposed to be a fucking future-seer? Should EVERYONE work on wall street? Who the FUCK is going to take out the garbage, fix the plumbing, run the electric, and all the other NECESSARY SHIT THAT MAKES LIFE AWESOME!

I like how ben garrison labels everything in his comics because even he knows his fans are fucking retarded

>drawing Warren in native American men's attire
shit u dumb niggas

he's an imbecile, like his fans

That's what political comics have always done. Didn't your high school history book have any pictures in it?

Fake news, don't fall for it.

Now that's an ass amirite

:rolls-eyes:

Sometimes I feel like only braindead are over there in US. Glad to see some reasonable opinions

I'll tell Ben to draw a cartoon about that.

Why do you want to make it worse?

fucking this, how am I supposed to take this seriously when I have to stare at that Grade A ass.

Ah yes, the myth of inelastiticity. Modern economics fan, amirite?

Yeah getting the government involved with healthcare is fucking great. Take the VA for example. So far i am on month 6 of waiting for a simple carple tunnel surgery.

The Dems are fucking loopy. They have been for years, tho, it's just they've never been this vocal about it before.

Still, their "debates" just look like everyone trying to out-stupid the next person until Joe Biden gets "nominated", and then Trump is going to fucking crush him because nobody wants another, dumber Jimmy Carter....

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Get snake bitten a lot user? Had many heart attacks?

Most of the time, it's just a cold. Or the flu. Or a booboo. Or even if it's more serious, like needing physical therapy, you have some time to shop around.

Stop displaying your complete ignorance not just of economics, but of common sense.

lol yeah i love how people want to give all power to and let run their lives an organization that even on a good day can't find it's own ass with an extra set of hands and a flashlight.

lol "Far left" any normal country would consider all except Sanders a very average centre right politician

Who decides what it "should" be sold at? If it costs $100 million to develop, who pays for that? Price fixing leads to breadlines, user. Every time. You want that for your medicine?

Worse? Really... worse?

How is universal healthcare worse?

If no one in the world had universal healthcare and it was a blind option we were taking on good faith alone. Yeah, I'd understand your argument. You, nor I, would know if it'll be better or worse, and fearing the worse is some what reasonable.

But here's the thing... other countries already do it. Lots of them. And they don't suffer. Their health outcomes are equivalent and often better than ours... as well as cheaper than ours.

We have evidence that universal healthcare is affordable and effective.

The exceptions being corrupt communist or ultra-socialist nations rife with dictatorial politicians bamboozling the nation.

Yes... extreme socialism is bad.

But so is extreme capitalism with no regulation.

Reasonable degrees of social programs that benefit a regulated capitalist nation are effective and affordable.

Because unfortunately medicine is not a freemarket commodity. It inherently doesn't follow the same mechanisms that say steel production do. It's inherently counter to capitalism because a well ran and efficient hospital would reduce bad health which in turn would reduce the client pool. How do you ramp up production in a fucking healthcare facility with out keeping people SICK?

This is the same problem with privatized prisons. You can't "profit" from a prison unless you continually shove people in prisons. And if crime reduces, well... gotta make up criminals to keep them beds full!

By "normal country", you mean western Europe, right? The place that's stagnating, one of their leading economies is in the process of jumping ship, and where laws are being written by unelected bureaucrats who aren't responsible to the people?

Hmmmm if your political position can be summed up in a cartoon aren't you just promoting the notion that people shouldn't think too much about things?

No.

Actually I've had 3 snake bites in my life, and 1 heart attack. My brother had 2 before he died. My father 3 before he died. My grandfather had heart surgery 4 fucking times before he died of a heart attack.

Bad hearts run in my family.

I mean hell... heart disease is the number one killer in this nation for both men and women. It's why I used it as an example.

And no, the top reasons people tend to go to the hospital are usually more urgent. Cuts/contusions, chest pains, upper respiratory infections, foreign objects in the body (sometimes purposely, lol).

I'm not basing this off some whimsical idea of economics.

I'm basing this off of founded knowledge and studies. There are nations around the world who more efficiently offer equivalent and sometimes BETTER healthcare than we do at a significantly lower cost.

Quit your fucking ignorance.

Sometimes I feel this place is just a bunch of paid commenters arguing against each other because they are paid for by their side of the political spectrum.
either that or there is a hell of a lot of retards.

Yes, Canada, UK, France, Finland, Austria, Denmark... so many fucking breadlines.

>leading economies
>uk
The UK's economy depends on services, services sold to the EU market especially with regard to financial products
UK is going down hard like Nigel Farage on Milo Yeahiwannafucklilbois in the back of a rented cargo van nominally owned by a Russian oligarch via some significant distance of shell companies nested like matryoshkas

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That fact that this cartoon has Kamala Harris to the left of Warren clearly shows he has no idea what he's talking about.

different user... 3 snake bites what do you do?

do you like fuck snakes?

catch them and play with them?

or are you fucking retarded?

So you're not paid?

Guess you're a retard.

she pretended to be a native american FOR LIKE 50 YEARS

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M much, much worse. Let's step back. Why is healthcare in the US so expensive? Part of it is fucked up incentives. Nobody actually pays for anything directly, so there's no way to value or compare options, and the price fixing of Medicare distorts the whole economy and screws the uninsured in particular because the arbitrary discounts they insist on force doctors to keep raising prices to cover costs, and the uninsured always pay full price not the ridiculous discounts. Your argument about muh capitalism is absolutely ridiculous, because this is about as far as you can get from a free, transparent market.

But the real reason why costs are higher is because the US spends heavily on research. Very heavily, extremely heavily. The US makes the vast majority of the medical breakthrus around the world, publishes an overwhelming number of scientific papers. The other countries get those benefits without having to pay for it. Same applies to drugs, where countries with socialized medicine just refuse to pay the market prices, so the drug companies have to make up all their research costs by charging higher prices in the US. That "affordable" healthcare is because they're leeching off the US.

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You mean the ones that out perform the US in any metric that could reasonably be considered when considering is it a good place for a person to live? Eh, yes?

I lurk, rarely post, just shake my head.

Snake bites are pretty common if you go into the wilderness enough, I’ve been bitten twice.

Every other developed country has a publicly funded healthcare system. They typically cost about half what USA spends on healthcare, with equal or better outcomes - it's not like burgers are spectacularly healthy for all that extra spending.

AND WHAT 70% TAX RATES LOL

Come over to the Trump side, brother. All are welcome.

yea like the shining examples
that went bankrupt

And in every one of those countries, people complain all the time about having to wait endlessly for healthcare. Actually read the criticisms, not the blind praises.

I have no problem with government healthcare in the U.S. I've had it for 4 years and haven't paid a dime for 4 hospitalizations, E.R. or meds. I luvs it.

I live in a region with lots of venomous snakes and swamps and I have going on 4 decades of time in said region.

In the lines of work I've done it's just par for the course that you'll be confronted by various venomous snakes. Some of them super deadly (cotton mouth for instance), some not as much (like the pygmy rattler because it usually doesn't use a lot of venom).

>Actually I've had 3 snake bites in my life, and 1 heart attack.
That makes it very clear why you want free healthcare. You want us to pay for your shitty gene and shittier decisions.

NZ has lower taxes than USA and much higher quality of life.

>I'm basing this off of founded knowledge and studies
No, you're not. You're just making an unsubstantiated appeal to an authority you can't even define because your arguments don't hold water.

I live in Australia, In the bush not a city... I see snakes all the time, never been bitten by one.

In fact the only person I've ever known to be bitten by a snake was trying to get it out from under his house(that was stupid).

Yes, because NO ONE criticizes the US healthcare system.

Of course people criticize their healthcare. It's not perfect. Never said it was going to.

Thing is the health outcomes of those nations are comparable, if not better, to the USA at a cheaper price. I don't care if you get butthurt waiting in line... I care about if the OUTCOMES ARE COMPARABLE OR BETTER.

Cause lines?

Yeah, I've waited in lines in the states as well.

There's a billboard on the highway in my city near a hospital. They advertise their waiting line. That's right... a fucking billboard with an active timer on it ADVERTISING their WAITLINE.

And it very often is in the fucking HOURS.

Want to bet? The UK will be fine, the political elite class who are desperate for Remain are desperately trying to sow fear.

Yes... unsubstantiated appeal to authority. The authority of statistical outcomes of multiple nations that already implement the system and have comparable if not better healthcare outcomes than the USA at a cheaper price.

Fucking appeals to the authority of numbers/statistics.

Well, prior to the ACA my health insurance for me and my family was about $800 a month. That coverage was expensive, but it also covered everything and had a low deductible. Now my coverage costs about $1500 a month and isn't even half as good. I'm paying double and getting dick to show for it. Obamacare totally fucked me over, and you communists expect me to thank you for it. Fuck you and get a job.

Funny, how you have all that extra money when you don't spend a dime on defense, isn't it? And it's rather ironic that brag about that extra money while insulting the country who keeps you safe, at great expense to themselves, isn't it? It's almost like all of Europe is a bunch of ungrateful leeches.

I didn’t realize your insurance agent is the one who provided you healthcare. Dumb cuck

Lol either you’re loaded or completely full of shit.

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The US only barely beats out Europe in medical research. And our pace is actually in a decline compared to both Europe and Asia and they are likely to out pace us in the coming years.

Despite our increasing medical costs.

And as for your much much worse statement. You never profferred up any argument to that. How is it much much worse? Cause uhhhh, Canada, UK, Austria, France, Finland, Denmark... they all seem to be fairing just fine in the medical fucking world.

I criticize the fuck out of the US health system. The fact that people complain about other systems as well is not an argument in favor of yours.

And I explained why it's cheaper, it's because much of the healthcare in those countries is subsidized by... you guessed it.

And your billboard example is fucking terrible. You're basing your conclusions on a personal anecdote? You need data to drive you decisions, and literally every study shows that wait times in the US are vastly lower than in countries with socialized healthcare.

pointing out stupidity here. Not all jobs pay well and have good health coverage. Telling people to get a better job can't possibly work because not everyone can have a better job. There has always been needs for people in 'lower' standard jobs. Those people aren't less than you.

It really is only the USA that sees people doing a job that is essential for the economy as inferior because it is a low paid job. I pity you.

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Also that "innovation"... many of the states in our union that have a LONG history of work in that innovation are also states that usually have really good state socialized healthcare of some sort.

>taking away guns

>democrats

>8 years of barack obama,a democrat

>no gun control laws passed

>not even 4 years of donald trump,a republican

>gun control laws passed,and of course.republicans dont give a shit

but go ahead and sit out this election,id rather educated voters be the majority.because the only reason we got stuck with trump and obama is because the majority of american voters are to dumb to vote right

I explained it in the first paragraph.

To use another example, are you familiar with the ACA? Do you know anybody who has had to buy health insurance under the program? It fucking sucks. The deductibles are so high, you end up paying for everything yourself, and on top of that you have these huge monthly payments. And that's the second or third step toward socialized care.

also,good luck thinking biden isnt going to obama 2.0.because literally every democrat candidate and even donald fucking trump wants to get rid of your gun rights

1) I'm not a communist

2) I never defended obamacare/ACA. I actually am a HUGE critic of it. The thing is bullshit. All it is, is a mandate to force people to buy insurance. This actually benefits insurers more because now they can price gouge since you MUST buy insurance.

Not the guy that posted this, but seriously? That's your response to that post? You dismiss everything said because it doesn't agree with your world view, but offer no counter argument or proof of your 'fake news' claim. I seriously suggest you broaden your mind, you need to leave your echo chamber. It is not possible to credibly defend US healthcare in its current form. It is utterly atrocious, lagging behind almost every other developed nation on the planet.

This.

I never defended the ACA. The ACA is not universal healthcare/single payer. I'm actually a huge critic of the ACA, it's just wasn't the conversation going on here.

See my other post:

why is taking away peoples assault rifles bad?

French here, and not intending to stay it for long. I can understand that the US american system is tough, that you've got to pay for everything and all. But trust me on that; if you choose socialism, you're doomed for a long, long time, and in the end, you'll be paying more than you already do for even things you don't benefit of.

Your appeal to emotion doesn't unfuck my insurance. Your appeal to emotion doesn't explain why it is right that my expenses doubled nearly overnight. And I don't see people in low end jobs as interiors. I worked retail for a decade before I got out. I've been there. I see communists as inferior.

Yeah maybe we should be spending a higher percantage of gdp on military like the shining examples of modern utopais like ...eh .. China and eh saudi arabia.

because libtard,your feelings arent more important then my constitutional rights.you can take my assault rifle out of my cold dead fingers

Nice strawman you got there.

No, according to one of the architects the ACA was designed to fail in order to convince the American public to buy into the idea of a single payer. Pretty shitty tactic, amirite?

besides,you wont stop at assault rifles.look at europe,this is how retarded the gun control crowd will get with gun control in america when you give them what they want.also,if it isnt working in your shitty communities,it wont work for the rest of america

Actually, as a european, I always had some fascination for the US for that exact reason. I find rather incredible the fact that your system was first made to facilitate revolutions with weapons in case SHTF.

Yeah definitely should be spending a fortune on unwinnable forever wars while having the one of worst poverty rates in the OECD like the good ol US of A

the only thing thats shitty is you morons had the house and senate and still failed to get rid of obamacare when it mattered.now you got your boi trump and he still cant come up with a better plan

If you don't spend enough to keep those countries in check, what do you think happens to your utopia? Oh, right. The US will take care that for you.
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Who? Source?

Also, sure, that would be a shitty tactic.

Republicans and Democrats alike use a lot of shitty tactics... though honestly, it's usually the Repubs.

I hate em' both anyways though.

It's just like even though I hate em' both. Dems are like the shitty next door neighbours who annoy the shit out of you and call the HOA on you all the time.

Where as the Repubs are the shitty white trash fuckers down the street who through dog shit at your house and beat up your kid cause he's a "fag".

>you morons
Faggot, if you're going to whine about people assuming you support the ACA, don't assume the people you're talking to are republicans or like Trump. Asshole.

that wasn't me

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Washington Times work as a source?
washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/26/jonathan-gruber-infamous-obamacare-architect-says-/

Then don't do it.

people who are republicans or like trump are the only people still bitching about the ACA,you moron.everyone else has gotten over obama and moved on with their lives

Who trained Al Qaeda? who ousted Irans democratically elected government and let the current dictators get in? Why can the Saudis act with impunity in the middle east cos they have one very powerful western ally, despite their involvement in the worst terrorist attack in the history of the US?

Almost like you don't give a fuck about understanding anything.

Almost like being an american is a mental illness.

Gruber said "it's working as designed". No where in that article does it say "that design is to dupe americans into a single payer system".

>worst poverty rates
Don't make me laugh. Do you realize what that actually measures?

You're right about the stupid wars, though. But hey, at least 9/11 gave us the Patriot Act and that wasn't a horrible infringement on individual liberties or anything.

I didn't fuck face.

that donkey is dummy thicc

Democrats are just going to lose this one. tough pill to swallow but they need a reality check and losing is the only thing going to give it too them.

Trump is so clearly going to win i'm more curious about states that promised to give their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. Imagine Trump winning California or these states backing out of their word showing truly how hypocritical they are.

I really am french. And we're seeing the end result of socialism every day here. Most people are completely brainwashed, so they don't even complain anymore; they pay, the endure, and they accept. Where should I start? This mess goes back to the seventies, when those fucking commies took over with their lies. Basically, they promised everyone money to do jackshit; social aids, social security and all. If I told you that in our country, you can LITERALLY get about €1200.00 per month without ever working, would you believe me? Well I know fucking parasites who live this way. You can't imagine how hard the life gets for so many people here, especially the 'small' entrepreneurs. On the television, you can see people arguing all day about pointless crap while the country is on the brink of a dirty social and economic shitstorm. We call this 'enculer les mouches', 'fuck the flies', and that's pretty much what all our fucking useless fonctionnaires are doing all day long. But it takes money to pay these pieces of shit. You've go to pay their wages. And their bonuses. And their holidays. And their gas and stuff, if they come from afar. And this, and that... So we get even higher taxes. The prices of everything are on the rise. The more you gain, the more the State rips you from. And then comes uncontrolled immigration, terrorism and all this shit. You still don't believe me? Then you haven't seen what socialism leads to.

Oh yes, the US is responsible for ll the evil around the world and if they were gone everything would just be a paradise wouldn't it?
>fucking moron

My health insurance when 10x after ACA, that's correct 10 times what I was paying before. I dropped it this year, can't afford it.

I believe it. I've seen the data. I'm lucky in that my costs have only doubled so far.

Your mom is your health care. Shut up.

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>massive immigration
you're a racist

>taking away guns
no they aren't shithead

Yes, they are.

>spending
your stupid President jacked the deficit up to give tax cuts to rich people dipshit
fuck off with this b8

Aaand we have to pay for their houses or appartments also. And we still have to pay for useless insurances. And our cashflows are monitored from the start to the end to ensure we're not hiding money somewhere. For example, we are prohibited from withdrawing more than €400.00 per month in cash. Why? Because we could be trying to remove all our money from the bank to save it from the official circuit, of course! If you want more examples of the shit we are in, feel free to ask. I can understand you americans are having a hard time. But for God's sake, don't do the same mistake as the french did seventy years earlier.

no they aren't fuckwad
stop making up shit

There's not a single politician right now that is for the working man, not a single one.

They're all corrupt, greedy bastards. Especially Trump.

This guy is a multi billionaire who was born into wealth, do you think he gives a fuck about the average person?

I'm very pro 2nd amendment but...

No, I can't even say I'd support a Democrat, or Republican.

It's all a shit show really.

Trump isn't perfect, he banned bump stocks and is for red flag laws.

The NRA backs down when it's convinent politically.

To hell with them, OP.

I'd rather vote for a gang member/felon who has good ideas than these schmucks.

Politicians are all in a gang anyways.. it's called the old boys club and we're not fucking invited.

Although you can be validated if you're White, old, rich, etc.

Yes, they very clearly are.

Ben Garrison is a sick nutcase who faps to his own drawings

>There's not a single politician right now that is for the working man, not a single one.
That's true.

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You clearly have NRA dick in your mouth. Shut up. Do not post this fucking lie again.

I cant believe some people are this braindead

Sanders and Warren would like a word with you.

the white cuck said "Hell yes, we're going to take your ar15 and ak47, and do it from your cold dead hand"

Though not american, from what I see from overseas, I'm with you on that; democrats are trying to take your guns away, slowly but surely. :/

Your president spent more than every other president combined. You don't get to talk about fiscal responsibility.

he can't fap to regular porn or even traps
it takes this

>wah wah wah gimme guns
kek little baby

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>Apartment insurance. Well, we don't have insurance for any of those things
Renter's insurance is real kiddo

Banning one or more weapons isn't taking your guns user. It does not infringe on your rights.

You mean the guy without a job who now has 3 houses, and Ms. Liesaboutmuhrace?

So you really can't defend what you elected, you have to deflect. You deplorables are morons.

It certainly does.

It's a nigger donkey

none of these people ever called for open boarders. It's total straw man argument

It won't help you if you can't pay your rent, but it will cover you if you get burgled, kid.

That's true, they'd never take a boarder in their own houses. They just want the rest of the country to accept them.

It IS taking away the guns from those who own them.

Aside from the ban, there's clearly a nationwide weapon bashing these days.

>projecting
you're the one crying about your guns being taken snowflake

Ben Garrison confirmed as Brony

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You're an idiot.

I live in a country with 'socialised' healthcare. It's great. But since I'm not a poorfag I also have private. You don't have to ban one for the other you dumbfuck.

You deserve it. You literally think your stupid expensive hobby is better than anything in the fucking world while kids get killed. Gun obsession does need to be taken down a few notches.

You're alone

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The slippery slope doesn't always apply, but it's very clear it applies when it comes to the 2nd amendment. They want more and more restrictions, and they never offer anything in return. And if you look into, all the major gun advocacy groups clearly support a blanket ban, they're just promoted more limited bans because it's politically expedient. We need to loosen the gun laws, not tighten them.

Beto let the cat out of the bag. "Hell yes we're going to take your AR 15 and AK 47". the other half of the truth is, they plan to kill Americans to do it..... but fuck it, they are deplorables, right?

my dad just got on medicare a couple years ago and he can't stop talking about how great it is

French, not socialist.
You spread lies man... For exemple, just to answer your last one : I withdrew 8000€ in cash 2 month ago to buy a car from some guy. Just had to write an email to my bank to ask them if they could prepare the money ...

1) you funnily enough use a lot of Americanisms... but hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

2) Is France perfect? No idea... never argued it was.

I argued that your healthcare system is more affordable (despite actually being one of the most expensive of the socialized healthcare systems out there, but hey you're not perfect, and there are others even cheaper than yours), and has comparable to better health outcomes than ours.

Oh... you have political problems in your nation?

Yeah, so do we. So does every fucking country. Utopia doesn't exist.

And sure do YOU complain about it being socialist policies that cause the things you don't like. Yeah. OK, you don't like it. Doesn't dismiss the fact that your healthcare is cheaper and has comparable if not better outcomes than the US system. I'm not arguing for a Universal Basic Income, I'm not arguing for all of France's socialist policies. Cause I don't believe that we need to go full tilt socialist. I believe in sensible regulatory systems to assist a capitalist nation while supplying basic needs through a social welfare net like healthcare, police, education, that sort.

Cause full blown capitalism ain't all that fucking great either. USA has some shitty fucking shit going on. But that's not the argument right now and is why I didn't necessarily bring those up.

I'm defending one of the most fundamental of all rights. If you think that's crying or being a snowflake, that's your problem.

You also make your stupid fucking fetish the NUMBER ONE FUCKING ISSUE in the election while there are other important things. Without your gun, you're a pussy who would have his ass whupped for being this obsessed of an attention whore.

The government can infringe on your ginrights legally you guntards. Every law can be amended and none are exempt including "muh second amendment". The will of the living trumps the will of the dead.

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Well done parroting the propaganda.
>most research is for me-too drugs which don't do any more than the ones that already exist
>this is done when the old ones go off patent
>more is spent on advertising and doctor incentives than new drug research

Funny, nobody has even tried passing an amendment.

gun grabbers get the rope.

What "cat?" AR-15s could be banned by legislation or be added to the National Firearms Act Schedule. Both Constitutional.

You're fucking obsessed and you're shitting up another thread with your stupid fucking gun fetish. I'd beat your fucking ass.

Once they go off patent, there are generics. And you need a citation for the rest, which you won't be able to provide because it's bullshit.

I live in a country with ONLY socialized healthcare, the private healthcare sector being actually controlled by the fucking State. In my family, we don't get ill often; we're too busy working for this. Well, we still pay for those who don't. And this is a shitton of money we could invest on home ownership, healthcare and higher education. Fuck socialism.

You'd be the one violating the Constitution asswipe.

cont'd

You're annoyed that your politicians argue over policy and that policy includes socialist ideals?

My fucking nation argues over abortion, guns, and an orange fucking cheeto in office.

I WISH we could argue about the effectiveness of economic policies. But no, fucking assholes have a hair across their ass because the fucking cheeto drew a fucking sharpie circle thing on a fucking weather map, and then that fucking retard threatened employees of the NOAA will be fired if they don't back his fucking ass.

WTF?

sounds like a good reason to keep my guns, then doesn't it...……..

You're a wee little baby.

You got caught and spanked.
Sounds like a reason to shut up.

You're nothing without your stupid gun.
Nothing.

Your government would like to have a word, speaking badly against socialism is hate speech.

Wow, you must live in a shithole. I only pay about $120/month for mine.

You fucking dipshit. NOBODY IS TAKING YOUR FUCKING GUN.
EAT SHIT GUN NUT

>pretending to care about the Constitution when you don't care about the Second Amendment (which is part of the Constitution)

? I'm a Republican but to say someone who is working doesn't have a job is something a retard would say

I don't have a gun. You're just an internet tiger, all tough words and no substance.

Buddy, I'm not american. I live in a country where weapons are purely and simply banned in public places, the only exception being hunting weapons, which are regulated as fuck. Our kids are still getting killed, slaughtered in venue halls by islamic pieces of shit. Fuck, even our cops need derogations to use some rifles.

lol,the nra are worthless.if they cared so much about gun rights,why havent they fought against donald trump? i guess maybe if hillary wanted to take your gun rights away they'd care

Nice backtracking

He never had a real job until he was in his 40s, and now his "job" is congress. And if you think that's a real job, fuck that. We need citizen legislatures, not a professional class of corruption.

>legislators

>nobody is taking your guns
Then stop taking my guns

If AR-15s got banned and it passed Constitutional muster by the Courts, you'd have to abide by the decision user. That's how it's going to happen.
You aren't going to "rise up," you'd be violating the very Constitution you claim to to be protecting.

hey commie,if you hate guns.why dont you move to the several countrys out there that already have gun control.because you know what? there's still violence there,time to start living in reality instead of your stupid anti gun left wing fantasy world with the rest of gun control supporting retards

Nobody is. Stop being autistic.

I'm literally in the same boat.

Trump is an asshole, obviously. And fuck the guy who locks kids in cages. But any center-left to true-center democrat is doing undeniably better under Trump now, and will undeniably do better under a 2nd term Trump than under a socialist candidate.

They're a political entity, that involves compromises. I'm sure you could find a more hardline 2A support group, if you like.

>implying the Supreme Court has never made an unconstitutional decision

Exactly. And this is exactly what they seem to be hard at work drifting people's attention away from. (I'm the fucker who's not even american here.)

ar 15's being banned would violate the constitution in the first place.god damn,you gun control supporting morons dont even understand the constitution in the first place

Yet that's exactly what they're doing.

maybe you should read the Constitution, tranny. However I was not applying the Constitution reasoning to using the rope.

You're sick--you need accessible health care

you are ignorant of what the Constitution is--you need free education

nah,democrats are not doing any better under trump.they are still poor and ignorant,just like they were with obama even though they celebrated their black president on a daily basis for the past 8 years

TFW your so retarded you forget to mention that the revolution had Spanish and French support and the british had become bankrupt after killing all their men is a seven years long war .

The revolution and an uprising today would have two very different endings user. Stop being so childish.

>I don't have a gun.
good
shut up

>I'm not american
then shut up

Then if SCOTUS ruled that gun grabbers get the rope, you couldn't "rise up" either

>2nd term of trump

id hate to see what kind of left wing bullshit that would bring.thankfully,he couldnt even keep his party's house majority.so i doubt he'll be winning a 2nd term

One good thing about the US is the sheer number of guns, any taking will be slow. Too many other countries have given up that fundamental right, and that's a major win for totalitarianism.

>hardline 2A support groups

>who probably didnt mind trump's gun control bullshit either

I'm supporting the plain language of the Constitution, you're just flinging insults.

I am not a communist. You are an insecure gun nut shitting up another thread with your faggot bullshit. Fuck off.

you should go back to twitter, I hear they are new people posting there. ;)

>scotus

lol,all they care about is thumping their bibles and being outraged over baby killing

Stop trying to take people's guns. Hitler and Mao aren't good role models.

>If Biden doesn’t win
Biden is a terrible choice. That image is pretty misleading.

Yeah? Bullshit. Je veux bien la preuve, ma gueule. Tu vois, mes vieux ont des clients blindés de fric. Pour être payés en cash parce qu'on n'a pas toutes vos conneries de systèmes informatiques, on est payés par salves de quatre-cent balles parce que les clients n'ont pas le droit de retirer plus par semaine, parfois par mois. Et tu sais pour quoi ? Soi-disant pour réguler. Surprise, connard : c'est pour empêcher l'argent au black. Soit vous êtes vraiment un putain de pays de gros abrutis dégénérés, soit t'es un énorme mytho.

You're just a moron

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Fuck you

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Don't move goalposts shithead.
If you "rise up" in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling in favor of a ban, YOU ARE THE ONE VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION.
AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN MOVE ON.

>calls me a gun nut because i support the 2nd ammendment

whatever kid,go back to your shitty left wing community that bitches about the police every other weekend.im glad your left defenseless against the ones you hate because you think everybody obeys the laws

>banning guns doesn't infringe on gun rights
If I killed you, would I not be infringing on your right to life?

>ar 15's being banned would violate the constitution
no it wouldn't

Fuck off troll.

They should. But your post has nothing to do with anything, so I don't really care.

Fuck off trolling gun nut dipshit.

Fuck off, gun grabber.

>banning GUNs doesnt infringe on your GUN rights

this is how fucking stupid america has gotten over the years

They wouldn't rule that autist

You make such a compelling argument.

>I can use SCOTUS in my argument but you can't
Your own rules don't apply to you, I see. Classic leftist thinking.

You got spanked faggot. Shut up.

The constitution is a contract, if they violate it without an amendment then the contract is broken.

Shut the fuck up troll.

"hell yes we're going to take your gun" Do you think only dems watched the debates, tranny?

>durr I'm a boomer kid durr your a commie
shut the fuck up trolling dipshit

"Common sense" is the new version of the "right side of history". It's a way for extremists to pretend they're moderates.

You'd still have the right to bear arms. Just not the AR-15.

I would agree with you if that was about the depth, but I simply can't because it's about the form. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly. Yes, our fucking media are arguing about the effectiveness of economic policies and all, BUT IT IS A SMOKE SCREEN. Sorry for the caps, I don't know how to make it pop right. It's just mumbo jumbo. They're fucking around on the TV all day long while all the economic decisions are already taken by the European Union. BTW, you guys at least still have your own money; we can't even print our own bills anymore.

>shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up waaah
Has that ever worked for you?

Eat shit insecure gun humping troll.

supporting the constitution doesnt make you an extremist

you have a small penis
that's why you need a gun

Do you paid shills taking classes together? your post all read the same.

It is constitutional, because as the Founding Fathers said, the citizens have a DUTY to resist tyranny. The court would be violating the text of the Constitution and the citizens would be correcting them.

Let's pass some laws that you're not allowed to use the letter e. You can still use some letters, not e. That's not an infringement on freedom of speech or anything.

It's for the sake of argument

Shut the fuck up dipshit.
If the SCOTUS ruled that banning the AR-15 was Constitutional YOU WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT DECISION ASSHOLE.
IT'S CALLED DUE PROCESS.
DO NOT RESPOND TO ME AGAIN WITH THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT I WIN HERE

Again with the personal attacks. You seem very emotional and irrational.

to bad the founding father's didnt realize how stupid and lazy the people they wrote the constitution for were

you do know calling user a troll, when you are the fucking troll doesn't work here, right?

Stop threadshitting with your stupid faggot hobby. Nobody cares about your stupid fucking shit.

The AR-15 is an arm. The right to bear arms does not mean the right to bear some arms but not others.

Yes because weapons that kill people are the same as something that would literally never happen

I still don't have a gun. You must be projecting.

Through due process of law. Yes. The AR-15 will be banned. That's not "taking shit." That's the system working for the People.

So would you obey the courts if they reinstituted slavery?

You're a troll. Your imput =0

and who says they'll stop at ar 15's? if you give them an inch,they'll just keep chipping away at it.americans are fucking stupid and dont even deserve a 2nd ammendment considering what trump and obama have did to gun rights

Have you seen a lot of the hate speech laws? It's definitely happening. That's why we need guns.

you responded tranny, so you must care a little. By the way, Trump is your president.

No where in the constitution does it say scotus has the final say on the law.

Not a communist. Not a shill.
Just correct in stating that it is Constitutional to ban AR-15s.

>the people

im sorry,but the "people"support gun rights.not your left wing communist bullshit

Due Process is not "tyranny" you fucking ignorant dipshit. I'd pistolwhip you with your own gun.

Shall not be infringed is the system and the will of the People.

Bears don't have arms, they have legs

Your "imput" is hilariously illiterate.

I'd pass a law to make you fuck groundhogs.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT SHIT
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS IS ALL YOU GUN NUTS DO
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Yes, because our news isn't a smoke screen for some other bullshit.

As for the printing of money. OK. Sure, this is an argument to be had. But that argument isn't socialist, sorry but the European Union isn't a socialist idea... it's actually a market economy idea.

And honestly it's comparable to what we here in the USA have had for 250 years... our union is just strong than your union. My state has not been able to print its own currency since 1793 (yes, that's post the forming of USA, we were our own states early in our nation but the federal government grew and grew and consumed our state rights).

I can feel you on your beef with the European Union.

But it has nothing to do with healthcare.

Maybe I didn't express myself clearly... I'M TALKING ABOUT HEALTHCARE.

You're a pretty violent, I'd support taking your guns away. Not from rational people, though.

More like you don't have an argument, I'm right.
You would have to abide by the decision reached through due process of law.
Or you are the outlaw.

>Through due process of law.
No, its called a constitution amendment, good luck getting 3/4 of the states to do it, faggot.

It's not constitutional, because it infringes on the right to bear arms. You can't pick and choose what part of a right you like. Supposing the AR-15 was banned, what good would it even do? Mass shooters would find something else. The AR-15 isn't inherently more evil than any other gun. It's an inanimate object.

You make a rational, sane argument and you do not sound completely crazy
>I'm lying

literally all of this is the same as canadian universal health care

>it's not tyranny if it's LEGAL tyranny!
I'd like to see you try pistol whip me, I'll put a fucking hole in you.

ay man
fuc ritch peepo doe

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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Pretty sure it is unconstitutional

Neither party gives a fuck about what Joe Voter actually wants.
They have agendas and want votes. That's it.

I'm sick of gun nuts threadjacking every fucking political thread because of their small yiping penii user. I have a right to be frustrated. I want Trump out of there. I want this country to move forward, become more healthy and intelligent. These dipshits don't.

you seem to be missing the point, some of us don't give a shit. remember you were told, you didn't listen.

>the government can't break laws

>European Union isn't a socialist idea... it's actually a market economy idea.
That's true, but it's also undemocratic. It's rule by bureaucrats rather than elected politicians, which leads to all kinds of problems both political and economic.

You are interpreting the Constitution as a layman user.

Wow it's like he has no idea drones were killing specifically targeted individuals during the obreezy administration.

The reason we didn't just glass those areas he is referring to is because we were at war with a tribe of terrorists, not the people as a whole.
Boots on the ground can't do it? Boston bombing would like a word with him.

>I still don't have a gun
and you still haven't shut up either

What the fuck do you think the Constitution is? It's supposed to restrict the state's behavior, not yours or mine.

You're basically an immature crybaby, and you've proved it with your irrational outbursts throughout this thread.

user they aren't going to do that. You don't want to obey the Courts if they rule a law Constitutional. That's the issue here.

shut up troll

eat shit

Maybe I didn't express myself clearly... I'M TALKING ABOUT HEALTHCARE!

I get you wanna bitch about whatever the fuck you're bitching about. But it's a fucking red herring to the debate. You're not making any fucking argument countering universal healthcare. You're not making any argument countering social welfare systems. You're making an argument about French Sovereignty.

No, I haven't. You seem to be really insecure and have no idea how anonymous imageboards work.

En France tu peux retirer l'ensemble de tes avoirs, sans limitations hebdomadaire, sous réserve d'en faire la demande au guichet ou à ton banquier pour qu'il prépare les liquidités ... TU raconte n'importe quoi. La loi oblige le banquier à déclarer le retrait aux impôts à partir de 7500€. Je te laisse vérifier par toi même sur Légifrance ou équivalent. Après c'est sûr que si t'as un compte à la poste et que t'as signé un contrat qui précise que tu peux pas retirer plus ...

Resume, in eng : It's possible to withdraw any amount of cash, in any bank, if you have the founds of course. All you need to do is asking the bank to prepare the amount several days before (usually one week or so). Above 7k5€ bank will warn the taxes department ...

France is far from perfect. Still, aside from England, I clearly wouldn't live anywhere else in Europe...

The external views of the french healthcare system actually are biaised by the lack of a crucial info: who benefits the most from it? Strangers, yeah, they sure do. When you go to the emergencies hospitals, you wait for hours before anyone takes you because immigrants are made a priority by the State these days. Anyone who'll tell you otherwise is either a commie or a liar; I personally don't vote, I despise both out left and right wing parties, which in the end are just mostly paedophiles, murderers and thieves. If you're the kind to ask for some shitty pills for a common disease, you'll get them refunded. If you've got a serious disease which is common enough, you may get everything refunded, but those who don't have it will still pay up for you anyways. But if you've got a serious disease that's rare or just doesn't fit right into their fucking sheets full of tickboxes, like it was the case for someone in my family, then you're screwed, and you're good to spit up thousands of euros while still paying for the rest of the nation. I'm not okay with this shit.

I never said US is perfect. US are far from perfect. I use the example of my country and how so many people serve as cash pumps to advise you not to take the socialist path. That's all. And you're right to keep a critical eye on what I say, of course.

So by your logic, if enough people want to ban free niggers, it would be constitutional, correct?

You brought up the EU. You can't control which stupid thing you say people choose to reply to.

Imagine debating politics with retards on Yea Forums

It's how we do it, user. The President through Executive Order and Congress through Legislation. The Courts decide the Constitutionality. You gun nuts don't even know the very document you claim to protect.

>the "people"support gun rights.
actually they support gun regulation
you don't because you're a fringe nut

I recognize your writing style, your the same shill bitch form other thread.

You are interpreting the Constitution as a layman.

I'm sure you're clever tho, right user?

I never said they would do it, and I wouldn't want them to either. If the courts ruled a gun ban to be constitutional, they aren't following the spirit of the Constitution, and thus the citizenry would have a duty to resist tyranny. Legal tyranny is still tyranny. The PATRIOT Act is legal. Hitler's rise to power was legal.

You need to calm down.

>morality is derived from legality

Same thing

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No, they don't. I'm a people, I don't. You were not appointed to speak for everybody, and you're clearly unaware of the actual polls on the topic.

You're the one threatening violence if due process doesn't agree with your interpretation of the Constitution. And you'd have your ass blown away by the ATF if you tried any shit.

you need to be red flagged, and your social media taking away, user

It's for the People, user. You seem to miss that.

This. The US is undemocratic as fuck. Besides, some UE crap was accepted in France with less that 45% of votes for it. Sorry, but even if the UE has good sides, good sides we could still independently replicate with separate treaties and shit, I cannot consider good something that preys upon what it claims to protect.

We don't need a Constitutional Amendment to ban firearms, user. You're full of shit.
You gun nuts are fucking stupid as fuck.

kek

No it doesn't shithead. If we banned all guns, yes. Banning AR-15s? No. We have the right to determine what "armaments" are and who has access to them. It's called a free society based on democratic representation. And you want to rise up against that if it doesn't go along with what you believe.

I never threatened anyone with violence, but you have several times in this very thread. And there's nothing to interpret, the wording is very clear, and it's been consistently interpreted that way for more than 2 centuries.

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Without your gun you're a pussy who could be whipped with a wooden spoon

If you believe this, you really need to go back to preschool

You'd still be allowed to use other guns. So no.

OK...

you know what people in this nation do when they get ill?

Nothing.

We do nothing.

When I was a child I once broke my arm and didn't tell my parents for a week until they saw it was twice in size, yellow/green, and throbbing.

Why didn't I tell them? Cause I knew the costs of healthcare would have meant no food that week.

Oh... thousands of euros for severe illnesses? How about 100's of thousands of dollars if not over a million? People in my country regularly go bankrupt, lose their homes/jobs/everything over severe medical costs. And even after all said and done, those costs haunt them for the rest of their life. It effects their credit score so they can't affordibly buy housing/cars/etc. By the time I was 18 I had 300,000 dollars in medical debt from emergency room visits as a child that we couldn't pay. And I'm not unique, I'm not some special retard that fucked up... I've lived all over this country and I meet people in the same boat all the fucking time.

I survived Obama, you will survive Trump. I have no intention of letting USA become like UK.

Not as bad as the EU, but it's been getting worse.

That is the point. You loathe the concept of due process, so you pretend it doesn't exist.

You’ve clearly never read the document, “judicial review” was created in maurbury v Madison by the courts, they created the power, neither branches nor the people have held they are the final arbiter, besides you brain dead public school types.

>I can greentext
fuck off gun nut

fuck

off

But what about bike wheels, user?

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If the Courts rule a weapons ban is Constitutional, YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT DECISION OR YOU ARE THE OUTLAW.

WOW, the $80,000 degree in gender studies is showing off, user.

This is true, it's an invented power. It's also worth noting that one branch of government is specifically charged with defending the constitution in the constitution, and it's not the judicial.

I would love to cum in her hair.

Luckily the court is conservative dominant

Not true, judicial review isn't in the constitution. The 2nd amendment is.

If you did, then old Yea Forums might be back

Fuck off gun nut. You dipshits are the ones who fucking ruined any chance of discussing the real issues in OP's post.
Fuck you gunshit. I would fucking pistolwhip you with your own stupid overrated overpriced weapon.

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Of course your media are a goddamn smoke screen. I follow them every now and then, and boy, are you rinced with cow shit all day, just like us...

About the EU... Yes and no. I'm quite okay with what you say, buddy. I just feel like you're not diving deep enough in the shit lake to find out what's going on here. Most pro-EU politics claim to be 'social liberalists'. What the fuck?! Socialism and liberalism at the same time? This is complete nonsense. But in the end, if you look closely, in Europe, it's always the socialists who are for a federal EU.

You're right, let's get back to healthcare. Well, I talked about it on another reply. See . Like everything in France, it's mostly communication. On the paper, it looks shiny, beautiful and all. In facts, it's all a scam for which people keep paying without benefitting as much from it.

I still don't have a gun, crybaby.

We'll see. At least you agree the process is valid.

>the right of the people to keep and bear some Arms, shall not be infringed sometimes.

Oh right, I read it wrong

Good. Shut up.

You shouldn't believe everything your handlers tell you, SJW. We not voting for class president, popular vote doesn't count.

Cont'd

Is there probably issues with the French medical system? Likely. It actually is the most expensive of the European social health systems. It's likely one of the more flawed systems. I didn't say it was perfect. And honestly if I had to pick a single country, I'd probably pick the UK's healthcare system (which is also flawed).

BUT...

Despite being flawed, and you suggest there are waiting lines, and immigrants take up a lot of resources, and all that what not.

...

You're healthcare is still CHEAPER than the USA, and has comparable outcomes for those who receive healthcare, as well as covers EVERYONE as opposed to house 1/3rd of my nation is either uninsured or under insured. So just by getting that nearly 100 million people proper healthcare that is comparable to you at a cheaper fucking price than we currently pay... yeah, I'll wait in a fucking line. Cause guess what... I ALREADY WAIT IN LINES AT THE HOSPITAL.

Your right to bear arms does not include every armament, user. You gun nuts are fucking stupid as fuck.

You still think telling people to shut up, despite all the evidence to the contrary? There's a word for that, user.

>triggered
>unironically using SJW in a post
lol

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You're right, the other user should have just said evil racist shithead instead of SJW.

“They have made their ruling, let them enforce it”

The evidence is my side.
You are a stupid troll. Shut up.

Exactly. The president is charged with defending the constitution, not 9 unelected judges.

If it is unlawful, unconstitutional, it doesn't. your feeling don't count

>I have evidence you shut up when I told you to shut up!
I still haven't shut up, user.

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