Any of you guys been through a computer coding boot camp...

Software manager here.
If you can't get your shit together enough to get a degree from a legitimate school,
then you don't have your shit together enough to deliver our needs on time and on spec.

Tits to elaborate

Elaborate. If I am good at what I do, or even great at what I do, why would a degree make any difference?

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See I expect my team to know how stuff actually works, not just how to toss together a website in an hour.

Someone who don't actually understand the fundamentals, writes shit, unmaintainable code. Why would I hire that person?

And yeah, it's easy weed those people out on a phone screening, even if you can't see their resume for some reason.

>why would a degree make any difference?
A degree proves that you can accomplish a task set by someone else to their satisfaction.
You're an independent computer genius? Fine, go make the next Facebook/Google/Amazon.
Want a job? You gotta do what other people want at a professional level.

"gee, sir, I don't know why the website backend is so slow. It worked fine when I used it for my 30 person gaming club."

Well, I can understand your point of view, but you act like there is only one way to learn how shit works.

>A degree proves

A degree proves I went to school, did some projects, and graduated.

I forgot for a second that I was on Yea Forums guys. Your autistic "only I know you don't know do it my way or you're wrong faggot" answers only confirm I should do it. Thanks guys .

Everyone who actually knows anything about the world is having a sensible chuckle since they were just proven right.

Fucking right?

Bunch of neckbeards all pissed that they aren't that special, and anyone can do this shit.

Faggot

>Someday I'M going to be Mark Zuckerberg! Just you wait! Python, here I come!!!"

Kek
Thank you
Ah yes, the ole "know how the world works" guy on b. Take note that your opinion literally means jack shit

>Take note that your opinion literally means jack shit
>Software manager here.

FWIW, my opinion means something to the people I interview.

Nah. I'm not going to fool myself. But you act like the whole idea behind writing code is some foreign language nobody can learn and implement.

Well, please tell me where you work so I can steer away from working with autistic gentlesirs

>But you act like the whole idea behind writing code is some foreign language nobody can learn and implement.
You are literally having arguments just inside your head at this point

Okay. Congratulations to the people you interview.

I suspect that won't be an issue, lol

"......and scene. Great job guys, it was almost believable, and good enough for days of our lives. Air it."

This thread just keeps spiraling downward. OP is just fighting with people now, and the commenters think that they amount to shit.

We just summed up Yea Forums. Now we just need some logs and traps

What he's not drilling you with is the moment you typed
>Someone who don't actually understand the fundamentals
which is the crux of his argument being leveled against you. The takeaway is that anyone without a paper has no idea how to do anything reliably.

The degree is insurance against the everyday script kiddie, but user rightfully pointed out all the good that a degree does otherwise. You followed instructions, congratulations. That won't guarantee that you can deliver to your employers on time, and on spec.

That's probably why there's an interview, but if you're just looking for a paper, good luck with that.

>You followed instructions, congratulations. That won't guarantee that you can deliver to your employers on time, and on spec.
Getting a college degree in Comp Sci is literally delivering on time and on spec.

You don't need a degree. But I talked to some other students in my programming classes and they think those bootcamps arent worth the serious amount of cash you have to pay. The return on investment isnt that great. You need to show programs or projects that you've been working on in order to get hired. If you have a deep understanding of back-end developing then SHOW it!

My uncle works for Apple aka the best in the business. You don't know anything.

Again, that won't guarantee that you can deliver to your employers on time, and on spec.

You cannot get a job in software without a degree and/or an impressive portfolio. A degree alone used to be a guarantee of a job but that window has closed.
If you want to go the self-taught route you don't need a boot camp, just learn the fundamentals by reading BOOKS (not shitty online courses) and writing programs. Start with K&R. If you can't finish that, you simply don't have a programmer's brain.

>My uncle works for Apple
>aka the best in the business
Well, you've certainly proved what YOU know.

Someone has to explain to me why most people in this field tend to be somewhat infantile.

You basically have to spend a meaningful amount of your life living in a world that exists only inside your head. The file on the disk may be what gets compiled, but it's the structures and relationships you build in your brain that gets coded into the file.

that's fucking deep

you are fucking stupid. I work with a really good DevOps who never went to uni because he is self-taught. He told me that many times he was rejected from jobs offers because software managers didn't see degree in his CV. I am a physicist by training and taught myself in spare time. But technology is just a tool I use. I am more interested in computational neuroscience or pure computer science. So far I think a lot of people working in technology have emotional problems and issues when working with other people. It is still better than in academia.

Yes it is possible. Did it myself. I completed an immersive web dev bootcamp at UNC and moved up with my current employer from cst service to jr developer.

One year later, I was promoted to front end developer.

3 of other classmates were hired right out of bootcamp.

Do not do some online bullshit course, find local uni offering immersive and get to work. Once you have found employment, use tuition reimbursement to get your degree.

>the world of education and experience doesn't count for shit because I know this guy

bullshit... no need to waste 3.. 4 years to get a cs degree just to say "here, I have a degree".. in my companies we like to see people who can code, we had few fresh cs folks having 0 experience in actual coding. We don't need someone who can create a compiler nor someone who can solve some school math problem.
We prefer people who are passionate about what they do. They created at least 1 successful CODING project. College is waste of time imho. At least if you plan to become a developer.

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if you do a legitimate one and follow it through to the end, sure

but if you were actually capable of doing everything asked of you in a bootcamp, you could just do it yourself, for free with services online, and probably have more relevant related projects in a portfolio