Why the fuck do I bother?

She just doesn’t want to fuck you. Oldest excuse in the book, Brotendo.
You obviously do want to fuck her, so my advice, in the interest of efficiency, is just to tell her that you don’t want to be friends.
Move on, and stop letting her live rent free in your head.

Also if after you tell her you need space she responds by saying your being unfair or by saying something stupid like “ you never know what can happen in the future” immediately stop talking to her. She’s playing a game most women play “arms distance”. You can’t get close enough to embrace her but she won’t let you get far enough to be out of her reach. She pull you close and shove you away as she desires.

Yeah I hate this shit, bitches wasting your time

I have friends that are girls and nothing more and things go great. They do often complain about not wanting to befriend guys because the second that the guy wants to fuck them they effectively lose their friend.

Buy hookers twice a week until you get over that dumb slut

Just tell her you feel different and that makes it impossible for you to be her friend. Tell her you need time and stop talking to her. She'll come back soon enough when she realize what she lost. By then you have moved on and she's just a cumbucket

She’s not wasting his time though. She’s being straight forward and to the point

So because you like being an orbiter the rest of us should to? Being friends with the intention of just being friends is fine but when one or both of you know the other has feelings it’s next to impossible to remain impartial.

I agree with you that he should ask to fuck a few times before reconsidering the relationship even though they both are mostly unsure about if they want to include her ex in the threesome.

listen to this faggot he knows what's up

>4 months
Sounds like they've been talking a while. She said that's when she broke up with her ex, so I'm not sure how long OP and her have been talking

More likely that OP has been orbiting this girl for like 3 months and just asked her out when her ex cut it off. I anything, OP is wasting his own time.

She’s not. She wants him to be just as attentive to her needs as he was when he thought he had a chance without having to keep telling him they aren’t gonna fuck.

You're the beta backup. She'll use you to complain about her boyfriends and other issues. She might settle for you when she's thirty without a relationship, or a single mother.

Every single scenario is going to end up with you getting a bad deal. Don't fall for it and just politely cut ties with her.

This.

Because you're a fuckwit who tries to move in on women who obviously aren't interested in you, and then you get butthurt because you can't handle rejection even though if you weren't an autistic fuckwit you would have likely picked up on the numerous queues that indicate that she's not into you. So you come here to Yea Forums so you can throw a little faggot pity party with all of the other incel losers who frequent this shit hole of a board.

Fuck off.

Pot and kettle faggot.

>beta backup
The girl explicitly said it wouldn’t work out. She’s being honest, fag. Any failure to understand that is OP’s fault.

I’m not an orbiter though? I’ve got a gf and my chick friends used to set me up with their friends when I was single. That’s the thing though, guys will befriend girls in hopes of the girl spontaneously liking them and when she doesn’t, he’ll think she’s a bitch because the world didn’t work out how he thought it would in his head.

Come on, dude. Social cues are hard. Don’t pretend like you haven’t missed the hint. Try being nice.

>hurr durr u r on Yea Forums therefore u r incel too!
I never claimed that incels are the ONLY faggots on Yea Forums, just that OP made this thread specifically to get his ass rubbed by other incel faggots. Learn 2 reading comprehension you ignorant shit.

I just took a shit, come lick my ass

No, they aren't, unless you're either autistic or you haven't been properly socialized.

>it wouldn’t work out
She'll have a change of heart when all her fuckboys leave her and her looks have faded or if she's otherwise in a bad spot.

This

I'd drop her as a friend too. As a recovering alcoholic obtains from liquor, OP would do himself a favor and avoid a girl who will only remind him of his failure.

Now, if she takes the initiative to salvage a friendship, that different. But a guy shouldn't be the only one putting in the work.

Tried it, learned it the hard way.

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Dubs of truth

Of course SHE still wants to be friends sos he always has someone won't hesitate to listen to her bullshit sob story.

Been through the same user. Break contact, there's nothing left for you here except suffering.

This x10

Awww man this mentality is my favourite. “You may not like me now, but hopefully over the course of your life, something fucks out and you’ll come crawling back!” It’s like seeing someone live a happy life just gets to these seething retards.

And I’m sure you are also 6ft plus and yadda yadda yadda. You sound like a dr Phil book. Do you honestly think none of your girl friends thought they had you charring on their back burner? Even if it never came up do you really think none of them had intention?

I don’t give a shit about the incel part. Your a whiny bitch complaining about a whiny bitch. Pot and kettle.

Break contact. Way I have done this is simply by saying sorry, I have feelings for you and I can't just stay friends without getting hurt. You'll be rid of a potential heartache.

OP, you tried to be the nice guy. She didn't want to listen. Time to rape her.

This

Precisely. Have her come to you and put in effort to keep you in her life. She can be the sweetest girl alive, but if you aren't a priority for her, don't hurt yourself for nothing either.

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YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GOTTA DO NIGGUH

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>"I don't want to lose a good friend"
chick talk for putting your ass in a holding pattern until shes sure she can't patch shit up with the ex or can't find another dick.

Hah... rather than be honest with her from the get go, you cowardly try to be friends first. You don’t think women can see that strategy a mile away?

This is a mistake. Life’s not a movie she’s not gonna suddenly realize she loves him or something. If you break contact with the intention or hope of somehow drawing her in or getting her back then you haven’t broken contact. Your still waiting on her. Let her go and put it out of your mind. Fucking her/being with her should be the farthest thing in your mind. It’s the farthest thing in hers.

I supported breaking contact, UNLESS the girl immediately backpedals and is serious about staying friends. Men and women can be friends too, but boundaries must be set in stone.

Are you stupid or do you not know the basic dynamic for men and women? Men use women for sex, they know this, and in return women use men for everything. We both know the game the other is playing but as long as none talks about it it’s business as usual.

Men and women can be friends until someone has feelings. Then it never lasts to long. There are of course exemptions but it’s not the norm. You shouldn’t go into something expecting your outcome to be different than the overwhelming probability. Once feelings are involved it’s usually a matter of time before someone is bitter/resenting.

This guy gets it. Plus women always jump from dick to dick. She just doesn’t want yours. Ghost her Yea Forumsro.

I’d rather sound like Doctor Phil over a jaded teenager any day. 2 of my closer girl mates are like 4 years younger than me so it felt more like an older brother role. The others never really had the chemistry there for either of us. Cases of sleeping in the same bed were more tense than sleeping in the same bed as a guy mate, but other than that everything felt normal.

Does there exist a reality where the girl just wants support during a hard time in her life?

tell her to fuck off and move on

She is not interested in you but likes to keep you around. Do you pay for things? Are you always available to talk and hear about the guys she fucks? Quick orbiting her, she probably has others that do the same.

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You told yourself you felt like the older brother to shield yourself from the truth. Just accept that they played you. It happens to everyone. You think those moments of sexual tension were an accident? Did you or did you not stick around? Exactly

Unironically yes. It's rare, but yes.

Yeah, exactly this. Life goes on.

Pro tip women don’t sleep in the same bed as male friends. It’s not a regular thing. She/they did that on purpose. You aren’t the big brother, she/they were just good at what they do and goosed you. And you were completely oblivious.

Don’t worry op, you can always wait for her to finally settle down.

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>Are you always available to talk and hear about the guys she fucks?
I was like that once until I got smart and told one of the girls simply to piss off if all she ever wants to talk about is cock that made her sad again. She got so mad and blocked me lol. Never again falling for this dumb trap.

You two may be literally the biggest retards on the planet. He already said the friends set him on more than one occasion, you can’t tell him why he felt the way he did. Take this copy paste trash shit and actually come up with something that makes sense for once. >inb4 you’re just a butthurt whiteknight, sorry you’re so gullible

Your weak shit is predictable, faggots.

>tfw a girl I was just talking too is 37 and I'm 28
>she gets with some friend of hers

This dumb bitch will be like 50 with her skin looking like spoiled milk by the time she comes to me and I'm a well off man with a nice bank account, an asian wife and a couple of hapas

Having men wrapped around their finger gives most women a sense of schadenfreude. And women are human and the primary factor behind most people doing most things is simply because they can. The feeling had is a powerful sense of control over another persons life, similar to the rush serial killers get while active.

Who hurt you user? Preemptive explainations? Your mens rea is leaking.

I’ve had ex girlfriends set me up with people to. Doesn’t mean theirs weren’t still feeling between me and ex. We hooked up a few times even after the dates she sent me on. What’s your point?

Beta move. Ultimatums are for people that already lost.

If she had any intention of a relationship, she would not have rejected OP. You don't give her an option at this point. You be the bigger person, and call it quits. No friendship, no relationship. But don't be vindictive about it; wish her well, but make it clear that there will be no contact going forward.

The bonus here is that she will always wonder if she should have given it a shot.

Agree with you until the last part. Most of these types or girls are so vapid they are over it and forget about it the same day. Like that retarded singer said thank you next.

Exactly, I don’t see how I lose here? If there was a party (I’d usually host) it wasn’t uncommon for any mix of guys or girls to share a bed and we never fucked. I never wanted to fuck. I just legitimately care about the well being of people.

Yeah that’s you and an ex? Someone who you’ve already established a sexual connection with? If you fucked your sisters friend would that mean it was all a ruse because your sister secretly wants to fuck??

That’s weird bro. I’ve hosted parties to and the people who crashed did so alone. One person on couch or bed or floor with pillow and blanket. Guys and girls don’t normally share beds past kids ages man. Sorry to disagree.

It’s not that regular but wasn’t seen as weird at all in my friend group. Not everyone lives in the binary state of ‘trying to fuck the girl’ and ‘not acknowledging the existence of the girl’.

There’s no consequence to you disagreeing and doesn’t change anything at all. Sounds like you’ve got more constraints than I do, unlucky.

What I’m saying is just because she set you up on dates doesn’t mean she didn’t have feeling for you. Try being a little bit madder about being played. Doesn’t matter if you are op or not. Everyone has been played.

I'm damn near 40, and I hear all too often from women that they think they lost their better options from when they were in their 20s and early 30s. My point is that it's better to be remembered fondly, as a missed opportunity, than to be remembered as a vindictive asshole. And if, as you say, she doesn't think about you ever again, it's still better than being remembered because you threw a fit. Being the bigger person is almost always the better option.

It's almost like people can be different...

No it sounds like I’m not inflating myself. You have a grandiose view of yourself and your life but you still look at it as if through a keyhole. You have all the false bravado of a person who constantly second guesses things but only alone at night.

I don't know man I had a girl that was only interested in being friends who'd regularly come over and cuddle with me all night. We kissed a couple of times and would hold hands. She also bought my grandma flowers, but she made it clear that she wasn't interested.

The girl I'm talking to now likes for me to read her bed time stories, calls me for emotional support, likes to sleep while on the phone with me, tells me she misses me, but isn't interested in dating. She tells me I'm very attractive and that my dick and height are perfect, but that she's not ready to be in a relationship with anyone. A lot of the time she ignores me only to call out of the blue to sit on the phone with me for hours at a time. She used to call me Daddy and would masturbate and follow my commands on cam over Skype, but we're just friends and that's all we'll ever be.

Why would it anger me at all if a friend had feelings for me, never expressed it and never acted upon it? Is it like a principle thing? I have been played in the past for sure (had a good friend that would only hang with me to make her boyfriend jealous when they’d fight).

Like I said agree with everything except that she’ll remember you. I in no way advocated throwing a fit.

There was another friend I had who I met on Tinder that had an abusive boyfriend. We fucked a few times, she'd have me tie her shoes in public and would tell people she's my little whore. She'd also masturbate and follow my commands on Skype, but her boyfriend had a much bigger dick so we stopped having sex, but we'd talk for 10+ hours a day. I eventually had my feel after she started showing off her lingerie and doing strip teases on cam before going over to her boyfriend's house to fuck him. I let her know that I thought she was a leech and a burden on everyone she came into contact with. We stopped talking after that.

I don’t consider it an arrogant thing to just be friends with girls who you’re not trying to fuck? I don’t see what’s so otherworldly about that. It seems like you’re defending yourself when there’s no attack.

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Give her the ultimatum. "Look I love you. You don't want to marry me then I don't want to be your friend. I have enough friends." Right then ignore her for a few days. Make her think of you as marriage material.

Best advice I've seen on Yea Forums in years.

Is your reading comprehension awful or are your methods just outright retarded?

nice get

Hnnnng what a wasted get
Still erect tho

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"Just got out of a relationship... x months/weeks ago" is a friend-zone excuse. If a hot enough/high status enough guy came along, that got her turned on the right way, she would never say that shit. You could've had interest a while back but you probably failed some shit test or she was never even interested enough to give you a chance.

Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas.

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