Do human lives matter?

Human life is worthless

I was just thinking about that while taking a piss. Short answer: no. The planet have existed billions of years before us. We serve no purpose to the planet but to destroy it as a result of our false ego.

Not really we are overpopulated and can use some downsizing we need a new plague

No humanity is a parasite

OOnly white livesNiggers dont

No

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animals can think, rationalize, and communicate they just do it poorly, also i'm going to say we're the most important thing in this universe until proven otherwise with phytoplankton being second in my list

You are containers. Your foothold here is useful to US. If you won't understand how valuable this place is we will.

Keep being "you". Your bodies will soon be useful to us.

Depends on what manners to you

Pure propaganda.

>think we’re special cause we can think
kek

some do, some not

if they have no one they don't matter

Why is that?

>We're all animals.
true
>We just think we're special cause we can think.
wrong af
>Our life is of no more value than anything else's.
totally wrong, you can't compare the life of someone who has achieved things you only can barely imagine while in the same life span another has only achieved aids.

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Everything dies. Humanity can only desperately try to stave it off by use of tools but at the end we're just animals with complex thought. Self importance is a survival instinct. Believing we are important is a lie. There is no soul, just complex electrical signals our tools have yet to explain.

Humans do not matter, we are.parasitic and have brought noting good to this planet.

So God's not real then?

Just the white ones.

Only a fucking retard will think your hippie shit bullshit is worth more than a null opinion

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What is achievement? The praise of other humans is often what we seek. Does that grant importance? Perhaps to the individual mind and to the person achieving. However on a universal scale, on a fundamental level. It means nothing.

I don't believe so. Unfortunately this is all we have.

no. we are Fucking dirt flying through space.

This. Especially the kikes.

Your parents absolutely failed you.

I have no doubt that your life with be worthless, but after you die and realize you still exists, I hope you start to fucking Quake knowing you fucking blew it and were just a parasite.

No. Human life is actually worth less than an animal's.

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In my a fucking egomaniac would think his life matters. News flash you don't.

Why are you so retaliatory to the idea you might not have any universal importance?

Wow, such deep can only be achieved by Adelle rolling on you are mom's arse

how ᵈᵉᵉᵖ ᶦˢ ᵗʰᵃᵗ

>also
Some people are simply random particles passing by on their life span. Some are simply not just that.

Based.

This is Earth was prepared for US. We are not a parasite despite insects like you doing your masters bidding.

Try again. In English this time.

This is entirely untrue. There are coincidences.

There are worlds, with humans, without number.

We are not unique.

If it was prepared for us then how are we turning it to shit?

Coincidences aren't proof my friend.

>prepared for us, this earth has nothing to do with us, we are just lucky of living on a planet that can handle live.

Because government are evil.

worth exactly the same FAG

null opinion. If you honestly think your hippie idiot lazy life is worth equal to Elon Musk's life, which is nothing.

No. You are just nothing. Fucking no one. And you honestly think putting everyone in your microscope bag makes you feel better.

Run out of clever comments to answer? or you are just simply out of options?

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Not whites

except the ability to give animals easy access to food, shelter, and medicine

If something was made for us through a supposedly divine means then how is it possible to fuck it up?

Your post was damn near incomprehensible m8.

What an stupid thread OP, this it's just really gay, life isn't worth, at the eyes of the existence and the universe our lives including the live of every single being on this planet are worthless.
Now kill yourself

Out of options I see.

ok but you see you need evidence to support that theory if you want me to believe it

Mine clearly doesn't. Good natured, attractive, charming, hung, still lonely as fuck and hating my life. Going to blow a shotgun, goodbye.

Its pointless to ask these things, i hate myself

Nothing

It's Satan who's destroying it.

You clearly don't speak English and most of what I'm trying to say to you probably doesn't go through Google translate correctly. So please stop throwing (You)s at me. You're not worth talking to. You're not important. Kek

To themselves and to a slightly lesser extent to people who know them the is answer, yes. However the definition of “matter” is subjective. To me and in the context of life on earth, no.

When your body dies and you discover "you" still exist, I request you understand what a force for wrong you were in your pathetic existence.
My guess is you've exerted zero effort to find is there is a God. Instead, you've convinced yourself you are too smart for that "shit". Yet we see people who have what you (and most) would consider "it all" that put a barrel in their mouth and an hero. Why? Because fuck ups that exerted no effort to find the purpose in life are too quick to say there is no meaning.
And no, I dont mean organized religion. Bunch of asshats pretending.

Im not the defending that fucking opinion of "the planet was made for us" but actually you can easily fucked up something doesn't matter if ti was planned to withstand something.

>no u
sure thing

Ah yes. The Christian catch all. "It's the devil." That's ridiculous man come on. You expect me to believe some thrown out rebel angel is whispering for people to do wrong? Can you provide literally a single piece of concrete evidence there is a God or a Devil? Cause the Bible is full of crazy stories and bullshit hypocrisy.

Fuck you sinner you know nothing.

If I still exist after I die then hopefully God is not spiteful enough of its creation's sceptical nature to punish me for a lack of blind belief. If it is then I guess it wasn't a God worth believing in after all.

Not for any other reason then we say we do but I think they should. Evil sucks, we should strive to be good and treat each other right, if only for living comfortably.

I remember being 15

Nothing matters, which means what matters is up to us, which means everything matters.

Prove me wrong then buddy. Please. If you can convert me then by all means. I'd love to believe there's a reason fucked up shit happens but it's just random chance. Our suffering is not a divine plan. It's just nature and the fragility of life being as it is.

This website sure has the lowest of the lowest males. It sure does has less testosterone than reddit.

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Come on man. It’s just a coincidence that humans are the only living things on Earth capable of speaking and critical thinking? It's just a coincidence that the earth happens to be at the perfect distance from the sun to host life? The universe just suddenly came into existence? All of this was purposefully designed by a spiritual being.

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Because I've exerted the effort and know a sliver of why I'm here.
This isnt random luck. I didnt come from a puddle of mud.
How people can watch the news and not see the work of Satan mystifies me. Yiu cant watch more than 10 minutes without some dimwit telling you good is evil and evil is good.
Democrats are embracing mandatory eugenics of black and brown people. Republicans are willfully destroying this country.
You have powerful people uniting to destroy the institutions that clearly make the best societies.
You have people mowing down their classmates/neighbors because people refuse to blame the actual problems.

Yeah but like mine doesn't

>projecting this hard

cant help but think other life would be safer without us, maybe thats why the asteroids keep getting closer

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Odds exist my virgin friend, for your little brain maybe it's a divine thing but in reality it's not.

Not really

>n-no u

What about great apes that are capable of learning speech and a sense of self? Why can't is be a coincidence that we're in the habital zone of a star, there are countless others out there. While it is true we don't understand how the universe came to be we could perhaps one day learn. If we live long enough to achieve that kind of thing. The universe is made up of coincidences.

White and Asian ones do, blacks, not so much. That's why they murder and abort each other at such a high rate.

I won't eat that bait.

Animals > humans

Yes and the problem is human psychology or human nature. It's the big bad devil. You're so woke. True God warrior.

it depend on various variables

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relative to the propagation of the species and of the collective dreams of humanity? yea probably

objectively speaking though that's arbitrary and "matters" is entirely subjective

How far in the rabbit hole are you m8

Yes but only if you’re not bad guy

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How do you suppose we live longer?

Some do

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This guy is 12/10 woke af would bang

hey look the birth and death of introspection

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So for you, a human it's more important than a star a planet or even a galaxy...
Are you retard?

Any life other than your own doesn't matter. If you put a button next to me that killed 500 people when I pressed it I'd be clicking it just to pass time

this tbh

We arent turning it to shit. You are uninformed and being lied to. If you look at man's contribution, you will see it's just a sliver of what the Earth worshipper/ human haters say is destroying the planet.
We could do all that the climate fanatics want and they know it will do nothing to affect the climate.
There doom and gloom projections are CONSISTENTLY (embarrassingly) wrong. Their climate models are never accurate. But do they ever admit, holy shit! Wasnt even close on that one! Nope! They just pretend the never said anything and move on to the next Chicken Little. The cover up and lie. Why would scientists lie?
For example, the oft cited 97% consensus . What was the question? Do you know? I do and I would be part of the 97%! Because the question was, do you believe man has "contributed" to climate change and do you agree the earth has warmed?
But us that what the say the 97% consensus was? Not even.

There will come a day you will understand that you were wrong. Gnashing of teeth time for you and your ilk.

Only before they are born. I'm pro-life :)

hm

What about women? Do they matter?

Wow. You're fuckin nuts aren't ya?

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when the devil plays devils advocate hes hedging his bets

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imagine having empathy in a simulation

Keep your crusifix ready

So you want proof? What does a scientist do when someone makes a claim? They repeat the experiment for themselves and see if they got the same results.
They do not just say, I have to see proof and then do exactly zilch.
God must answer you (individually) if you ask, or he would cease to be God.

>the earth was prepared for us
that's not how it works m8, "we" evolved to fit the earth, it's not like the earth can have some cosmic intent or knowledge on providing us with what the earth has (like enough oil to burn our atmosphere up)

its a flask so always

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A drunk catholic. What a shocker kek

Depends on your philosophy.
Are you a humanist? Do our thoughts and feelings matter simply because we're here?
Yes it matters. More than anything else in The universe because we are here and Alive and no matter the reasons, we feel and think, so we must do what's best to deal with it in our way on our terms.

Or are you more into cosmic horror and nihilism?
Nope. Not one iota. Your thoughts and feelings are all the result of millions of years of carbon becoming better and better at making copies of itself by consuming energy for no reason other than physics and chemistry.
You think it matters, but it's a bias because of your consciousness and experience. Also chemistry physics and carbon.

That's not the scientific method.

>acting like OP isn't the batshit christfag

Different fag of Irish ancestry and Catholic upbringing and is drunk right now reporting.
I'm offended. That means I have to buy us a round then punch you in the mouth then share a whiskey double shot.
Put em up.

This photo turned me on.

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Sounds like a good time. You Irish always know how to party.

The thing that people fail to realize is the odds against life springing from nothing are staggering. It requires.....FAITH! To believe that. But they pretend it doesnt.

I would argue the faith require to believe we exist by evolution alone is GREATER than the faith to believe in God.

The math is staggering.

yes. people's, however, do not.

hey man i like my biases frick off

here's hoping humanity get the ole
>you're all just ants beneath my boot speech

We have proof of evolution. We don't have proof of God. So I mean.
Darwinism 1
Christianity 0

No.

Human life has no inherent value. If 5000 niggers die of hunger, nothing of value is lost.

>makes an example based on niggers
Dude, niggers aren't people nor humans. Obviusly their lives are worthless.

even the lowest odds of occurrence still gives the model more predictive power than your own, and even then, you have no knowledge to make that claim, you don't know if we are the only life in this universe, no one on earth can see outside of the observable universe, and there exists a million different theories just like your own god theory pertaining to the origins of this multi/universe/whatever that you would need to falsify to even approach any math

>these people aren't important but I am

Congratulations. You're up your own ass.

I just exerted the effort to ask. God is bound, meaning required, to answer you. He cannot choose to ignore your petition. If your potential is to become as he is, would it be worth just a minimal effort?
Or you could just denounce his existence without lifting a finger demanding He come to you and show you a sign. Food luck with that excuse on your Judgment day.

what if someone asks, genuinely, and genuinely is open for an answer, but none comes?
if you say "that wasn't real 'x'" then I might have to compare you to a socialist

They matter to humans.

Imagine believing in a God that's cruel enough to punish its creations for skepticism.

Depends on where you live I guess. But most places yes.

not anymore

bbc.com/news/science-environment-48964736

Got your football pads and spikes? Mad Max is about to become reality kek. I can't wait to die of thirst personally.

Only to humans

Not if you're a speeding meteor the size of new York with 0 fucks

doesn't this seem kinda arbitrary based on the fact that the "target" is by the end of the decade? had they pushed that out to two decades, or try to take more preemptive action and do things sooner, new numbers will get put in the headlines to stir up drama

i said decade and meant to say century

Unfortunately the cartoon character running the US doesn't believe in climate change so we're probably fucked. Cause China clearly doesn't care either

You think oil is burning the atmosphere up?

LOL. Hard to discuss things seriously with someone that engrossed I'd false Dogma.
Man's contribution is but a literal sliver.
It's like saying Jeffrey Epstein died because of his egg shaped penis.

I mean I gave you a choice.

You're either retarded or you're posting bait. Both are sad.

>You think oil is burning the atmosphere up?

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The earth was not prepared for us. Thanks earth developed as is and life adapted in a trillion different ways, and one of those ways was us, who can manipulate it in incredible ways.

of course, was it ever a question?

Whatever you say skippy.
Good luck with that excuse.

Earth was just prepared for white people.

Its not an excuse. What you said is not the scientific method. Here, let me help.

sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/science-fair/steps-of-the-scientific-method

It's kid friendly. Just for you.

dood its pretty simple there existed a natural self balancing system called earth that put's carbon and other GHG into the atmosphere, and takes it back out, until modern industry came along and introduced a way to put a fuckton more carbon into the atmosphere without any additional way to take it out. do u see here? wouldn't u want to reduce that even if it was a sliver(it's not)?

Good and evil must be balanced. So let me feel your strength you faggot bitch.

Idk if I agree with you on that, I've seen the birthrate statistic by race

Different fag and oil isn't burning the atmosphere up.
It's changing the atmospheric content. Not burning.

The closest thing you have is when we were destroying the ozone layer but we banned chlorofluorocarbons and it fixed itself. And even that wasn't "burning it up"

No, you have proof of evolution. The micro, not macro.

Evolution happens. It is easily shown to take place
What isnt proven is that it explains all species come from a common ancestor. That's faith based and isnt proven.

i think obviously the original poster meant burning up as causing mass heating temperature rises etc etc it's a pretty dumb way to say it but i see it

Yeah, im splitting hairs. You're right.

Your 2000s middle school video understanding of evolution is laughable. Look up recent studies and findings. The "Everything from one" shit hasn't been a thing for a very long time.

nope, the model is still is based on OBSERVATIONS and EVIDENCE not faith, sorry

it's like you stepping in shit and trying to convince everyone else it's them, also can u respond to

You linked the wrong person to begin with.

Only the accomplished ones, the rest are just cannon fodder to be used for the sake of experimentation.

Im sure someones life does, not mine though

No

Right again, sir

Other guy, noob

Who am I?

me

>we're the most important thing in this universe until proven otherwise
how humble. the thing says it's the most important thing in the universe. no way there's any bias involved at all. a human is more important than the sun... you sure thought this one through.

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Of course I have knowledge of it. God said if i do X, Y, and Z, I'd know he exists. No different than a teacher telling me if I mix X, Y, and Z chemicals, something specific would happen.
I don't find fault with people questioning their purpose or wondering if God exists or evolution explains it all. I find fault with lazy people who have exerted zero effort finding God saying He doesn't exist. If you dont want him to exist, fine. Just dont hide behind some bullshit. Just say you are willing to bet he doesn't and cant be bothered to find out.
Its late. I'm out. I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right.

My only goal is to perhaps convince some to actually perform an experiment before accepting their life has no purpose.

I'd fully respect that answer from you. I have immense respect for many atheists that say they did their part and got nothing.

I don't believe life has no importance. But I think human self importance could stand to be tempered before we go extinct by our own hubris

>My only goal is to perhaps convince some to actually perform an experiment before accepting their life has no purpose.

you say this like some profound martyr making his last statement, ignoring the fact the entire enlightenment and everything - leading to the decline of religion - was built on "performing experiments". but go ahead, keep on poisoning the well by making only "my own brand of communication with the creator of the universe" the only valid form of experimentation. it's laughable, really.

He isnt going to punish anyone for skepticism. Question it all, always.

He will punish those who rejected and exerted no effort.

>he isn't going to punish
dude HUh? atheism is the only unforgivable sin, are you saying all atheists are people who "rejected" god?

If they didn't you wouldn't spend all your life looking at pictures of them.

I see the purposeful deceit in your words. AGW is bullshit. Man's contribution is a literal drop in the bucket.

Everyone one and everything is worthless

Is not, though... Right winged Americans. The only group in the entire world that is anti anthropogenic climate change.
Brought to you by: republicans.

I'd say oil executives but even oil companies have it plastered all over their websites it's real and they're doing shit about it.

>Do human lives matter?
Nigger, what does this question even mean?

DRAIN THE SWAMP! By appointing Rex Tillerson.. Right? Chosen one? God's plan when?

Does there exist some intrinsic purpose/value/worth/"matter" to human life, or is our worth only subjective to the observer answering the question?

LOL. As if I didn't know what scientific method is. I was front row when Cold Fusion was claimed. Saw exactly what the scientufic community did.
Also, have had more than my share of science fairs with zealous teachers thinking my kids looked forward to it.

But tell me, how is not attempting the experiment and just saying it isnt true IS the scientific method? If you want to stake your existence on others that also refuse to perform the experiment while pronouncing being on solid ground, fine by me.
Just dont pretend science told you there is no God. Your faith tells you that.

That's a hard No for 99% of people. We are like sperm. Millions of us, and only one or two matter in the grand scheme of humanity. The legends mattered, the multitude of forgotten people who never really contributed to society didnt.

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> the entire enlightenment and everything - leading to the decline of religion - was built on "performing experiments
Nope. The Enlightenment started when Rene Decarte, the nominalists, and some others started questioning Classical Foundationalism, which is entirely compatible with any form of modern science. The (seeming) rise of empiricism and experimentation has everything to do with economic conditions that coincided with the rise.
You don't know what you're talking about.

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>Is it all subjective, or is there something meaningful that grounds us?
If I answer 'no,' then I can't assume that the statement I just made was meaningful, so it's retarded. If I answer 'yes,' then I can.

WHAT?

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define matter.

Does my life matter to others? If so, who? My family? Sure... strangers? Probably not so much.

As a whole, I think each life matters only to other people and creatures but really, nothing truly matters. We live, we die and that's how it has been and will always be.

nothing matters

legendary pivot m8, while I don't contest anything you've said, it' doesn't change the fact that the rise of experimentation, empiricism and the decline of religiosity IS happening.
so by saying "please just do this one experiment, this god experiment" seems to ignore all the studies, experiments that contradict your model, not to mention the fact that many of the atheists you'll be talking to already did, as they came from christianity

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Technically, no. But from another human's standpoint, yes. Human lives are protected by other humans.

But in about a century, all of us will be dead. And in a few billion years, all life will be dead.

Isn't that just your socially adapted bias against wanting to sound "meaningful" and not "retarded"? Haven't you just loaded the concept and preference "meaning" into your sentence, whilst simultaneously attempting to define it?

I want to grow my Soul.

Eh, if you want them to.

How do you know if I'll be on your side or not?

Hello friendo, can you explain the process of your coming to knowledge of God?

Of course You do. As far as We can remember, You always have.

Please, hear me out. I'm not trying to be a cunt, but this is kind of what I specialize in. Do you have bad experiences with religion?

>Religion is dying
No, the West is dying along with Western Christianity. 'Religion' as you call it is just fine.
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

>Experiments
My God, you don't know. Science ontologically assumes logic, numbers, ethics, truth, meaning over time, and a whole hosts of other things. You don't argue for God from what you call 'experimintation.' God is the highest level abstraction, and you have to argue for or against this subject in a different way.

>Argues against it
You're arguing against meaning. That's nuclear-level, self-refuting RETARDED (you're not retarded, but the statement is). You're argument now has no meaning.

nope, not gonna get pulled into the internet's 18 millionth presuppositionalist demonstration. no special pleading here buddy.

Only if they're northern European

>Doesnt argue presuppositions
Then what are you trying to argue?
>special pleading
How?

Divine Sparks making a splash.

No

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yikes boy I may have gotten lost cause I thought we were talking about "meaning" as in having meaning in life. im well aware of the circularity of presupposing our language has meaning enough for me to speak subjectively, but he said having "something meaningful to ground us" this is not about language. humans being able to understand each other subjectively using adapted language doesn't require "something meaningful grounding us", it only needs cooperation between the beings, no?

no

>humans being able to understand each other subjectively using adapted language
Is this objective that things are subjective?
>the beings
Pretend like your words have meaning. What does 'being' mean?

Brit/UKfag detected

Only if those humans are black

>Is this objective that things are subjective?
ehh, this question is odd. but here's my take, I wouldn't ever claim absolute certainty in anything, as I'm entirely limited and able to interpret sense experience based on my brain chemistry etc etc etc. I make only a few presuppositions, one being that I can make sense of the world, and that predictive models are preferable to non predictive models, as they help make sense of the world. I think this "things being subjective" is akin to this, objective in that sense. Again, I only reached that conclusion through my own subjective reasoning. idk if that makes sense, but to me it seems like most people settle for "objective enough to live in a self serving society" without drilling so deep to find the philosophical, ontological gap to the supreme objective headspace

Everyone matters. It's education that separates us.

To humans life may not be worth shit. But to God, it is the only thing that matters.

i think i prefer humans, we do some pretty cool shit

>to interpret sense experience based on my brain chemistry etc etc etc
You're more than sense experience and physical shit. I know I can't get that through to you on this shitty website, but you are more. Don't forget that.
>Again, I only reached that conclusion through my own subjective reasoning. idk if that makes sense,
It doesn't make sense that I'm supposed to be able to understand what you're saying while you're not saying anything. Sorry, but I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say, and I'm not going out of my way to be an asshole.
>to me it seems like most people settle for "objective enough to live in a self serving society"
Fucking miserable existence.
>without drilling so deep
Most people shouldn't have to drill this deep. There was a time when society was structured in such a way that you didn't have to be autismo-megamind or an ignorant asshole to find any purpose. I completely understand why people don't go deep into it. It fucking hurts, there's so much opposition, and is so lonely. I fucking hate how misguided and hopeless this world is.

Yes, equal to lice.

Based and redpilled

Yes user lives do matter one should never set out to take one unless they act upon you or your people. Even those who disagree and believe it doesn’t have value their lives matter too. Except for pedophiles, communist, and people older than 12 that use IFunny they are the scum of the earth and should be wiped form the face of the earth.

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Imagine there is a human somewhere and he/she is about to die. You don't know and have never met this person. Would you sacrifice your life's dream, all that you have, or something that is very dear to you just to save that human?
Well, there's the answer to your question.

Hey man, thanks. It's not being an asshole. But on the contrary, you must understand that I have no ability to understand you when you, a subject, say to me, with your subjectively expressed and adapted language, that you and your sense experience, at some point or another had an experience with the objective God and now can impart some objective wisdom, but the only way to share this information is to urge me to look for the information myself, but _inside me_ with the voices in my head/prayer/etc. Sorry, but I have been looking.

also this good old days argument, dude rly? are you trying to say back then we were more aligned to God's objective plan, back with the violent crusades, war, fuckhigh violent crime, rape, general ignorance rife, no liberty etc etc. if anything, people didn't have to think about it because they were too busy picking potatoes for their fief, and didn't have the education to ponder any of these questions at a basic depth

only one, mine

So far in life, there are a lot of positives, way more that outweigh the bad. And there are a lot of bads. But that's just my opinion, if someone's perception is that there is no good in the world, only evil, and that their life has no "meaning"/doesn't matter, can I judge them? I can judge them but I can never know their experience. always impartial data.

>I can only look for it myself
I know. Just don't give up, please. You and everyone else around you isn't physical garbage. There is something more, and I hope you keep fighting for it.
>this good old days
This world has always been fucking miserable; always a new Babylon, and I don't know if we're truly any better off today. I just have hope that it will get better.

you too bro, plus i dont think our views are too far, right? no murder, theft, disorderliness etc etc etc... objective enough to cohabit I would assume, at least. hehe. and oh sure, I think these creature comforts softened us up a bit and we see a lot of adverse impacts, i have no faith do but hope we'll get through it, in this regard laziness is very toxic in my worldview. also though, this same tech brought us advanced education, medicine, etc so maybe it'll be enough to see the good few through. cya next thread buddy

to humans yes. to everything else no.

>no murder, theft, disorderliness
Yes, but I don't don't know if I hate these things for the same reasons as you.
>Cya next thread
I came here one time for porn (terrible, shitty habit) and ran across this thread, so probably not. Just don't give up hope even if the world seems fucked. Look for the good, and you will find it eventually.

if you're a pretentious & self-righteous, then no.