Hello, Yea Forums. This is the Jungian Mystic again. It's been a while...

Hello, Yea Forums. This is the Jungian Mystic again. It's been a while. The last couple of threads disappeared unremarked and I'm wondering if the Awake have all moved on and left this place to the sleepers.

I'll give it another shot and see what happens. If there's any of the Awakened left here, I will assist with the Deep Mysteries. If you don't know what the Deep Mysteries are or you think this has something to do with the supernatural, then this thread isn't for you; just assume I'm a middle school LARPer and move on. If you have eyes to see, you know the value of what I'm offering here. Ask and I will point at the Moon.

Attached: seal.png (220x220, 31K)

Hey Ryan it's been awhile since we talked whats new

Whats the meaning of life

I'm not "Ryan," but if you have a question, ask.

47 you can be 4 or you can go forth and continue sinning the universe doesn't care if you a 2 or a 3 once your dead your dead

Is consciousness collective?

Mu. In other words, you've posed a question which can't be answered. Explain to me what you mean by "meaning" and "life," and if you can do that, then you needn't ask me. What is referred to as wisdom is actually the capacity to take a step back from one's own narratives and examine them on the level of meta-narrative, meanings about meaning.

It can be. The unconscious is partially collective, of course, but something like an egregore extends into conscious awareness. Thoughtforms like servitors and tulpas can be pulled across the barrier from the unconscious also, and as they can be constructed from archetypes, it's possible to manifest a thoughtform which is collective in nature.

What happens when someone "wakes up" from the collective illusion?

It doesn't happen. If someone wakes, they cease to be that someone. It's why the Archons are so relentlessly individualistic. Physical reality requires the illusion of selfhood, while the deeper levels of the inner sea requires the elimination of selfhood. Think of the self as a kind of life preserver keeping people on the surface.

It's why the heroic dose is such a life-changing experience; once you've experienced ego-death, you realize just how much more there is beyond individual identity, and how little your ego-self really means to your true Self.

You don't need any books. I'm not peddling a religion or selling some self-help cult. There are archetypes within you, programmed into the structure of your brain, who know all you need to understand to begin the process of waking. You contain teachers with all the knowledge necessary.

How far along are you? Have you manifested the Anima yet? Do you have a guide?

Where can I start looking to learn more?

Im nowhere. I meditate occasionally and I once read a mysticism book called Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson and I am familiar with Jungian stuff from that and Neon Genesis Evangelion. Without a book where do I go?

sup mage. need some numbers for lottery coming up. don't need to be big winners, i simply need some numbers you feel are imbued with magick energy over the next 365 days. numbers between 1 and 60. thanks nigra. He bless.

If you need to ask, you're probably not ready for what's being discussed here. It's not that I'm being mean or superior, just that the nature of what's being discussed is immediately experential. It can't really be shown or talked about. You won't understand until you're ready. I'm here to assist the newly Awake in acquiring the tools necessary for diving the inner sea.

You're clearly not aligned with your inner chakra you fuckin' troglodyte. Hopefully OP reads your tarot because I can tell you're a faggot from a mile away.

Male and Female are archetypal qualities unrelated to genitalia. The fact that we associate the female with the child-bearing sex and the male with the seed-bearing sex is just cultural prejudice. The ultimate spiritual goal is to manifest the Rebis, to achieve unity of Male and Female.

The Tao Te Ching warns that "true words sound paradoxical." It's not that they *are* paradoxes, just that they seem that way because of the way we think. We create dichotomies as a way of understanding: hot and cold where there is just temperature, for example. Likewise we create male and female where there is just oneness -- the Rebis.

I’m still blind, and I need you to shine me in the right direction. How can I find the lock? Unlock it? Will it all come naturally, or is there a process?

yo man, hook me up with something.

The Jews have a unique relationship with the divine. The word "Israel" is about conflict, and describes the cultural heritage of the Jews, whose chosen mode of understanding involves alternating obedience and disobedience, moving between the left-hand and right-hand paths.

Babylon is a place of the spirit, and yes, Hollywood is one of her more potent manifestations. She is not, however, the enemy. The Anima has many forms, and not all of them are light; for every Eve there is a Lilith.

Depression doesn't need to be "cured." It's a dark gift which offers the power of accurate observation to those with the strength to bear its weight. Clinical studies show depressed people have markedly superior judgement at tasks like estimating whether a given shape will fit a given hole, something non-depressed people err constantly on the side of optimism attempting.

Depends. There are many names for it: satori, no-mind, and wei wu wei, for example. In India, it would probably be described as gathering Kundalini up the spine to the crown chakra. They're all metaphors for the same phenomenon of putting aside the concept of ego-self.

When you begin the process of waking, secret masters, bodhisattvas, will reveal themselves to you. They pass unseen among the sleepers watching for the newly Awake. They tend to hide out in the open, in plain sight. I create these threads in Yea Forums, for example, because the noise of the sleepers hides what's being discussed here from the Archons. The sacred truths I discuss here just sound like more madness amid the churn of the sleepers. Those whose eyes are open can see me, while to everyone else I look like a shitposter or a schizophrenic madman.

Is nibbana/moksha the highest and final state of consciousness?

The first step for a Jungian is always to manifest the Anima. This is because the Anima's area of authority is the intuitive and emotional; her role is to help you breach the barrier between conscious and unconscious and introduce you to your other selves.

If you've never manifested her, then your first goal should be to start practicing visualization, which is intimately linked to the process of manifesting archetypes.

I highly recommend Jung's Red Book if you haven't read it. It was never intended to be published, as it's his journal detailing his personal journey into the unconscious. It can help act as a sort of verification for the odd experiences you'll have as you learn to draw these narratives into "selves" which can be experienced by you the same way you experience other people.

I'm not a magician, I'm a mystic. Magicians follow the male path of Will, projecting their pneuma into thelema, trying to force the Universe to bend to them. A mystic follows the female path of water, of flow. It's about understanding and passive acceptance of what the Universe offers; you never go where you want, but you always end up where you need to be.

Don't worry, the doors of the cage lock from the inside. It's why the powers and principalities have designed a culture which conditions people to be their own jailors from the day they're born. Every movie, every TV show, every piece of technology, every classroom, every lesson, every game of peek-a-boo your mother played with you helped to install your cage. Once you understand its scope and scale, you'll know how to open it.

The only question is whether you'll want to leave your cage. Many choose to stay, even when they recognize it, simply because it's safe -- and because leaving it is fraught with danger.

I've awoken and lost my ego but still dwell in reality and feel in limbo.
I can commit to the task of now forming a genuine identity, pick sides, interact with others and the world at large and find my place in the Tao.
Or I can sit back and not make waves.

What I'm struggling with most of all lately, is I finally feel more connected with who I really am. Instead of describing myself I can feel it. Learning to express that is proving rocky. Circumstances and difficulty aside, expressing myself fully is quite intimidating. It can hard to see boundaries when thinking in this way, and I typically feel too extra or too empty.

Attached: 1566055921171.png (584x430, 350K)

In decades of diving the inner sea, I have never found a bottom. I'm not saying there isn't one, but if there is, I have never experienced it. There are plateaus where you are required to leave pieces of your identity behind to get past. If I had given up everything, I wouldn't be here to talk to you. Buddhas do not return, they leave the wheel forever. What lies beyond that, no one can return to tell us.

How do you feel about the use of sigil work or "chaos magick" to affect the subconscious in an effort to create positive change?

Always remember that you have choices. There is no such thing as fate or destiny. Our true selves are constructed by the existential choices we make. You can take the male path of pursuing a goal, of manifesting your Will and climbing the path of Beth up the tree; or you can become passive and still, waiting to see what mysteries and gifts the Universe offers to you freely and without cost. And the amazing thing about this Universe is that you can do *both*. At any time you are free to choose the other path and see what happens.

What you see as a barrier is actually a gift. You can never be lost if you're not worried about where you end up.

It can be a very useful tool but, like any tool, care must be taken not to forget that a map is not the thing it maps. All paradigms are ultimately false. To quote Zen master D.T. Suzuki, "To point at the moon a finger is needed, but woe to those who take the finger for the moon."

May all sentient beings who suffer be liberated.

Attached: siddhartha gautama.gif (466x625, 205K)

What are the first few steps in getting one's shit together?

That's rude. Why would you want to take suffering away from those who want it? Pain exists as a mercy, to make sure that everyone has access to an infinite amount of coinage. Pain the very basest spiritual metal, lead, but can be chained up into more noble metals. It's not necessary to start with pain, but if you have nothing better to work with, it's available in vast quantities.

You should be letting your shit free, not trying to gather it together. As the Tao Te Ching says, "Close your mouth, block off your senses, blunt your sharpness, untie your knots, soften your glare, settle your dust. This is the primal identity."

Sorry for pestering on and on with my questions.
What if I take too long to recognize the cage’s size? I can’t remember all of the details that make my cage, so will that hinder me?
I’m not afraid to leave my cage. If anything, I want to be free, but what lies beyond the cage? How should I equip myself to fend?

"Here is the test to find whether your mission on earth is finished. If you're alive, it isn't." -- Richard Bach

Don't worry about "taking too long." You have exactly as long as you need, no more and no less. See, even inability or unwillingness to make a choice is a choice, and changes who you are.

Have you read any Nietzsche? He writes a lot about what he calls amor fati, literally "love of one's destiny." What it refers to is making every decision not on the basis of its desired outcome, but rather on the basis of which decision you will ultimately by glad you made. In other words, you think about the person you want to become, and then make the decisions that person would make -- and thereby become that person. This is how you live without regret and find the strength to endure the outcomes of those decisions.

It's all God. I am one with that.

why wont people accept being gay is a mental illness

I will return when I am awake. I am aware of how small I am, yet aware that I may have great potential, like any other. I will meditate more, attempt to open my third eye, so to speak, and maybe even attempt astral projection. I am aware of the potential dangers ahead, and I am willing to face them. I hope to see you again, after I awake. I'll go by the name Little Fire.

My advice is to take the heroic dose. Go visit the machine elves. It's a good way to start the journey.

I have no idea who or where they are. I'm barely 19 so I have time left in this life to explore. Where can I find them?

Okay, here's the skinny. The "heroic dose" is defined as the amount of any substance necessary to achieve ego-death. It's different from substance to substance. For example, five grams of psilocybin mushrooms is considered a heroic dose.

Once you've taken the heroic dose, you will pass through a fractal pattern called the "golden chrysanthemum," and from there you will encounter the self-transforming machine elves. The machine elves are jewelled, self-dribbling basketballs which sing the world into existence. They will be happy to see you, and they will show you how to sing things into being.

Neuroscientists have been studying the phenomenon of the machine elves because the experience is so universal. The current hypothesis is that they represent the part of your brain which manufactures representative reality -- the so-called physical Universe, or your experience of it, anyway -- and that this is the brain's way of conceptualizing the experience.

Meeting the machine elves is always a transformative experience. You will not be the same person after you've met them.

is death really the end after all? what's next

Is it possible to achieve this without taking drugs? Like through meditation?

Attached: 1380376203939.jpg (565x720, 113K)

your thoughts on Goetia?

Oh, absolutely. There's nothing you can do with a drug which you can't do through meditation, biofeedback, and discipline. The whole reason these drugs work is because they mimic or duplicate drugs which are already present in the brain.

But drugs are shamanic tools. They're useful short-cuts. A medicine man or wise woman doesn't always have three or four days to fast, sweat-lodge, and meditate every time they need to talk to Grandfather Toad.

That said, there are benefits to getting there the natural way. By taking the stairs to that floor first instead of the elevator, you will have developed the discipline to handle it. If you want to see what it looks like when someone looking for a good time suddenly experiences ego-death without warning or preparation, do a search on YouTube for "salvia freakouts".

Kinda worried I won’t find another one of OP’s threads, but hopefully I see one again.

The Goetia are how the Archons conceptualize the narratives of power and rulership. The various esoteric secret societies (the Freemasons, the Skull & Bones, the Bavarian Illuminati, et al.) exist to help the powerful burn out their personal identity and manifest an archetypal narrative of temporal authority in the form of a Goetic demon.

The Goetia are useful if you're seeking to rule the physical. However, they are extremely male narratives, wrapped up with Will. The female is stronger than the male, though its rewards are more subtle. Be cautious about serving the Goetia, as their rewards are illusory; you will be giving up the true wealth of the inner sea in exchange for authority over the physical.

Was Carlos Castañeda work made fiction because of censorship or was he just a charlatan misguiding the asleep?

Don't worry, if you need me just call loudly. I listen closely to hear when I'm needed. If you call loudly enough, someone will come. There are bodhisattvas who pass invisibly all around you, hidden among the sleepers. When you need them, they will reveal themselves.

Lol will do. I'll try it the natural way. First, at least.

You use the word "fiction" as if it was synonymous with "untrue." It's the exact opposite. If you manifest an archetypal thoughtform or talk to them while lucid dreaming and ask them if they're real, they'll all tell you the same thing: they're more real than *you* are. You are temporary. They are eternal.

Long after you and I are dust, Odysseus, Sherlock Holmes, Batman, and Don Juan will live on. Some of my best friends are fictional.

back from last thread what's up kikes

Attached: 1200pxlegba.png (1200x900, 54K)

But what names will I call, for both you and the bodhisattvas?

Thank you for your guidance. Something tells me your words actually have value. I felt my third eye the whole time I was in this thread. See you some other time, hopefully.

-Little Fire

I see as the great I am. I'm the watcher. I haven't moved on just waiting for the end to begin.

Just call. Don't worry about words. The Bible tells people the same thing; don't pray for specific things or in words, just pray and know that the Universe knows what you need better than you do.

So, was this a subconcious call for your guideance? Or just a mere coincidence?

any thoughts on new pythagorean initiatory schools

I've tried to get ego-death for a while, but everytime I'm close I snap back to reality. I've tried many times the heroic dose, but it just doesn't make it for me. Is there a method to surely gain acces meeting the machine elves?

Is language / meta-language another tool of manipulation (as it reinforces teh archetype of being by its intrinsecal nature)? What is the best medium of communication between a novice and the deeper beings?

I would like to hear your view on something, how do you see fire, symbolically? My place of work caught fire, my apartment building almost burnt down completely, one day when I went into my next place of employment my leather jacket caught fire from a cigar that I didnt fully put out, then noturdame caught fire, then the amazon...what do you think the meaning of this is?

What you call coincidence, Jung refers to as synchronicity. See, there's no such thing as coincidence to the Universe itself. If you flip a coin 100 times and it comes up heads 100 times, that would be highly significant to you -- and yet, to the Universe, it's no more significant than if it came up 50 heads and 50 tails.

When you see a "coincidence," it means your unconscious is attempting to draw your attention to something. It's why it's important to always pay attention when you notice these things. You probably meet new people every day, possible even dozens or hundreds of times a day, and think nothing of it. Meeting me in this thread seems significant to you because it holds deep meaning on a level you're not given conscious access to. That machinery down there is immensely powerful and sees connections and big-picture stuff you can't even conceive of consciously. The desire to understand will *cause* synchronicity to occur.

As a Jungian I try not to get tied down to any specific schools or paradigms, whether neo-Platonic, Pythagorean, or esoteric. They're *all* false. They're the pointing finger, not the Moon.

My guess is you've probably met them many times. Your problem is retaining the memory. My suggestion is to try keeping a dream journal. Over time, this will reprogram the way your brain stores dreams and dream-like experiences, moving them to long-term memory instead of short-term. This has to be done consistently, however, for it to work. You're physically reprogramming the brain, causing the creation of new neuronal connections, and that requires a lot of repetition.

Larp confirmed. You don't know what my means or how it's used.

have you undergone any initiatory experience?

how do i 'get' over my anemic spirit and self hatred? is it possible to claim your intelligence despite material antagonisms like... cripplingly specific diseases? how do i more effectively usher my will?

i want to be great but i dont know how

NLP is a very powerful tool, as you're plugging directly into the operating system of the brain, bypassing superego evasion structures. However, I know from personal experience that there are levels which can't be reached from words. I've visited realms below the level of the collective unconscious where proto-gods which literally defy description swim like great, amorphous whales, and these places can only be visited by giving up language.

(I describe them as whales, but only as metaphor. They have a sort of vague vastness that reminds me of whales, but by definition they can't be described in words.)

Thank you.

Attached: 1564677729179.jpg (600x705, 84K)

It's not what fire means to me, but what it means to you. One of the secrets of psychoanalysis is they aren't actually listening to what you say, but more *how* you say it. When a psychoanalyst has you describe a dream, for example, they're not interested in the symbols per se, but your emotional reaction and connection to those symbols.

I could describe what fire means to me, but that would be meaningless. Fire has a potent archetypal meaning, but your personal manifestation of that archetype is freighted with certain specific elements and shades of meaning unique to you.

Are there any body modification (tattoos, scarations, piercings) that trascend aesthetic value and ease the communication between the plains??

please explain. why is it no longer 42?

Yes. I didn't know it at the time, though, at least consciously. I know now that I had been calling unconsciously for assistance. It actually took several tries by very patient Bodhisattvas to break through my barriers and tune me in.

oh nvm that wasn’t OP

good to hear brother/sister, well i have to pass out but good reading. glad you're in the place you are in.

in bright axiom

Ur take on masturbation?

addendum: keep an eye out for the mythmaker zardulu they are doing good work

cultish answer. im awake. i dont feel like i need a guide to deliver me from any prison i’ve built myself besides Christ. seems troubling what you’re doing and i question how this method could consolidate anyone’s understanding in any applicable context. or at least my own. what is a fnord?

Best approach for integrating shadow?

The goal of the Jungian is to find oneself in the Shadow, to make peace with it, and eventually to merge with it. The Shadow are all those parts of yourself you see as base and vile, and which you've shoved down into the unconscious. But it's also the negative image cast by the ego-self and, as such, is a truer reflection of our real selves. Everything we think about ourselves, we do so in order to hide our real nature.

The first step for a Jungian is to manifest the Anima, our female natures. It's she who can cross the barrier between conscious and unconscious, and who will eventually help you meet and negotiate a detente with the Shadow.

All that self-loathing you're feeling will gradually lessen as you start acknowledging your Shadow. It will be difficult, and it will take time. The Shadow is the Final Boss.

"Filling the conscious mind with ideal conceptions is a characteristic of Western theosophy, but not the confrontation with the Shadow and the world of darkness. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular." -- Carl Jung

Sure, altering the body is an ancient and very traditional way of manifesting the visceral understanding that outside mirrors inside and vice versa -- or, "as above, so below."

But that doesn't mean getting a lip plug and a tribal tat is going to cause sudden enlightenment. You can pierce every projecting nubbin of flesh on your body and have it not mean a single thing. It's all about intentionality. It's always about intentionality.

Fuck yeah I've been waiting months for you

Like anything else, it's what you make of it. Sexuality is an extremely powerful tool, wrapped up in both elemental physical drives and spiritual concepts like eros/thanatos and male/female. Masturbation can be used through disciplines such as Tantra to focus one's thoughts -- but it can also be used as a way to scatter focus and squander Kundalini.

did not expect to find wisdom on this particular under belly of the interwebs. people cant know until they do, how does this thread help?

As a Jungian, I can only speak for the Jungian path, which is seeking the manifest the Anima, and using her to create a sort of committee table of selves. For me, for example, I have a dream pub I visit when one of my demonic selves has beef with me. We order a plate of nachos and some beer, I light my pipe, and we hash out our disagreement. If it's a particularly knotty problem, the Anima will manifest, sitting at the table with us to maintain civility.

I highly recommend Jung's Red Book for a description of his own journey to integrate the Shadow.

The last couple of times I showed up, the thread vanished under the waves without a trace. I always wonder if this will be the last time.

I'm not sure I have any wisdom to share, but fortunately that's not necessary. You already contain all the wisdom you need. I just help people to access their own wisdom.

does the scalene triangle have any special meaning in symbolism?

Attached: hqdefault.jpg (480x360, 8K)

Everything has meaning. The question is, what does it mean to *you*? While our personal manifestations of archetypal narratives are not as powerful by comparison to cultural narratives, they're much closer to us, which means they're more important to us as individuals.

95 back to 8 dont care about 3?

sorry for being vague. thank you for your answer.

i feel like i have more questions to ask but im coming up empty. everything i type lends itself to unnecessary spiel. here's a bump at least

No pizza does not come with diet soda

How do I discern between "reality" and ego's projection of reality? How can one rest assure it is not another manifestation of the barriers? Is doubt one of the keys or one of the locks? Is my physical and metaphysical self running danger while accesing these plains? Are there any "real life" people trying to hunt me down (just like bodhisattvas will appear? How may I discern conjectures from synchronicity? Sorry for this many questions, I just had the urgence to make them.

Why am I black?

I'm going into my coutry's armed forces.

I don't even understand myself. Should I strive for money and power like any common ape? Or is it any better to be a literal killing machine? Would this last thing damage my soul irreparably?

What should my inner focus be? And empty mind? Or full on unmensourable and burning rage?

alright well i was just wondering because my entire body is covered in birthmarks that when linked together in each area all end up creating an scalene triangle, even when i get scars they end up aligning perfectly with other birthmarks or other scars out of pure coincidence making the same shape, like connect the dots, but with birthmarks and scars i even have two birthmarks under my right eye and the pupil can be connected to both and end up making yet another scalene triangle when connected, and the other day i was frying food and the hot oil spilled on my stomach and i got three burns in the shape of small dots and again, they aligned and formed the same shape when connected together.

If you meet the Buddha travelling on the road, kill him. Certainty is one of the surest signs you've made a mistake. That's not to say that doubt should render you incapable of action, but that the ability to hold something back and view yourself apart from yourself is a very important key in freeing yourself by allowing you to construct meta-narrative to override the narratives you have been given as part of your programming.

And yes, you are in very real danger from very real people. Every US president in history has been a member of an esoteric secret society, the purpose of which is to teach shamanic training to allow people to manifest Goetic demons of authority. These organizations regard the sacred truths I teach in these threads as proprietary secrets, which is why people who discuss them openly tend to end up in prison, in mental hospitals, on the street, or nailed to a cross. They can't imagine any use for this kind of knowledge except challenging their hegemony, which is why I hide these threads in places like Yea Forums where the noise and churn hides it.

Beware the fnords.

You'll find that people with great spiritual gifts tend to have a lot of strikes against them: gay, female, disabled, ugly, diseased, visibly different in some way. This is because they need bigger challenges the same way a weightlifter with huge muscles needs heavier weights for training. If you face larger challenges, it's because you have greater strength which needs testing and honing.

There have been warrior Buddhas who took lives. The taking of life, alone, doesn't destroy the spirit. But taking money from the powers and principalities to murder their enemies? *That* will get you crushed between the great wheels.

why am i puerto rican

See my comment about synchronicity here, any why you should pay attention to it.

Wait, hold on the line here.

Can I literally be a buddha by being a freaking assassin? Sounds dope and scarry as all the fuck.

I didn't mean to kill people to steal from them. I was thinging maybe letting the corrupts make me some money with their laundering and bribes.

But corruption itself seems the issue... kinda odd that I have to shitpost here to figure things out. Just answer the killer buddha thing more detailledly.

is the concept of fate and destiny an actual thing or is it all a load of crap

This is what the Tao Te Ching has to say about war:

Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them.
Therefore followers of the Tao never used them.
The wise man prefers the left.
The man of war prefers the right.

Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man's tools.
He uses them only when he has no choice.
Peace and quiet are dear to his heart.
And victory no cause for rejoicing.
If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing;
If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.

On happy occasions precedence is given to the left,
On sad occasions to the right.
In the army the general stands on the left,
The commander-in-chief on the right.
This means that war is conducted like a funeral.
When many people are being killed,
They should be mourned in heartfelt sorrow.
That is why a victory must be observed like a funeral.

Never mind, I got it now.

Being paid to fuck people up or killing to get a benefit is a spiritual shitfest.

Also, are you a pajeet or middle eastener of sorts? I might had bumped into you int he astral world while tripping balls on magic shrooms.

I'm a mystic, not a magician. I look inward, not outward. My time is spent diving the inner sea. When I reach Kether, it will be through the Abyss to Chokmah, not the path of Beth.

Jodorowsky?

Yeah, thanks for reminding me that book exist, I lost my heavily noted printed version long years ago. Am not that much of a newfag when it comes to myself and me, I get no joy in sport-fights when you gotta fuck the other stupid fuck up because he won't back down and the only animals I got to kill was due to them attacking me first. So there is that, as soon as I know am being attacked I retaliate with full force,

Peace be upon you and the stupid animals that messed with me. Hopefully I won't get to see combat, otherwise I will have no qualm in killing people.

To my knowledge, Jodorowsky isn't a Jungian. He's more into Russian esoterics like Ouspensky and Gurdjeff.

Hail brother.

Why has this particularly well placed entity chosen me to keep an eye on. I'm a worthless human thusfar.

Why do you think it is? If you can grasp this entity's name or sigil, extra legitimate points for you.

i remember reading about how ____ thought that great men only had two paths

one is the path of the ascetic homeless monk, the one that 'peels' back the veil or something.. probably an allusion to illusion. the archetypal monk

the other path is of the tremendous military warrior and/or conqueror.

reaching heaven through study/knowledge is possible, but if you cant do that, then violence is apparently a viable alternative. however i think in this context, violence doesnt mean killing specifically (although the asian godheros seem to take it that way and often)- its the descriptor for the conflict generated when two things meet((union)?). im not sure where it is you stop and start at respecting peoples claim to life... im starting to think it might be relative and highly personal. part of the right to OP's left, the job description, is to be so egoistic that your love supercedes everything- even others claim to life

its possible the act of throwing them (other spirits) back into the sleeve itself might not tar your soul but doing it without instruction from your truth might. i cant explain it but there is a part of me that knows that violence can offer enlightenment.

hopefully these fragmented thoughts of mine can maybe be of use to you

Yeah, yeah. I get it completely. It's not like having a freaking magic wand to fix your problems, but you get to fix a lot of shit in your daily life "By doing nothing" as some fucks say it, but in reality you actually did something.... my personal problem is nearly 60% of the time I don't even fucking know what I did, basically had a random thought and it happened.

I try not to think in good or bad term, but there had been a couple of bad shit happened to people and I feel it was my fault, but I didn't wanted bad on them. Shit sucks and feels bad.

I fear my primal identity may be a piece of shit.

The Taoists say that you should never pick up anything you can't put down. The idea is that attachments are always to be avoided. Taking lives is like any other unpleasant but necessary activity; it should be done mindfully, dutifully, and never dwelt upon.

There's a Buddhist parable you might find useful:

Two monks, a master and a student, are out for a walk when they come across a woman trying to cross a stream. The master picks her up and carries her across, and then the two monks continue their walk.

The students thinks on this and says, "Master, you know we're forbidden to touch women. Why did you carry her?"

The master replies, "I put her down on the other side. Why are you still carrying her?"

I tried a bit of bibliomancy for you. This is what was told to me. I'm not sure what it means, but I am made to understand that it will be significant for you:

"The group becomes a machine -- and it is forgotten that it is a man-made machine in which the machine is the very men who made it."

It was given to me by a bulldog.

Hello mystic,
I often have the feeling that most people are motivated to act by simple things, like money, ego, fear or power, and that they take no time to evaluate their decisions.
I feel like most people around me a somewhat mentally asleep, and have no grasp about the consequences of choices.

This does concern me to some extent. How do I deal with the hopelessness feeling this situation makes me feel?

Don't fret, we're all pieces of shit. The function of the Shadow is to bind all of that darkness up and hide it from our conscious awareness. But the thing is, just because it's out of sight doesn't make it go away. So now you're a piece of shit *and* you not only feel terrible about it, but no longer have any influence over that part of you.

That's why working with the Shadow is so important.

Interesting.

I don't neccesarily dwell on my killings even though it's just being animals, I don't have them on my mind each and everyday. But it's kinda scarry knowing I can and will take a human life just because. There is something wrong with that, or maybe I'm psychotic and a danger to my fellow humanoid apes?

If the path of the male seems harsh to you right now, try following the female. Practice wei wu wei: become passive within your own nature. Be patient and wait to see what the world offers you instead of reaching for something. You won't end up where you want to be, but you will always find yourself somewhere interesting.

>I'm wondering if the Awake have all moved on and left this place to the sleepers.

Don't ask questions you know the answer too.

nigga you're missing the deeper truth if you think there ain't anything supernatural to do with this

I had a weird experience during meditation the other day, I haven't found any explanations for it.

I meditated into a void, then arousal, then vertigo all in what felt like seconds. Then immediately felt like my mind was occupying two bodies at once that were suddenly trying to split away from each other, as if they had been occupying the same space simultaneously all this time. I mentally urged "my two bodies" to separate fully, I snapped out of meditation instead. What do you make of this?

That's actually something I've been giving some consideration. Do you have any tips on where to start? I read somewhere about listing significant memories and the feelings/lessons they left behind.

I feel like a lot of shadow work is understandably vague, but I don't really know where to even begin. I had to turn on blinders to dig myself out of a pretty depressed and sorry state many years ago, and now I can sense the shadow that I left in that void. I need to deal with it, but I can't afford to be swallowed up again. I have people who depend on me.

Not OP, but I just simply said "Fuck'em" because they are in fact asleep.

Now, don't misunderstand my point of view as egoist... just yet. I don't want to be too technical so I mostly explain everything like a Yea Forums or /pol/tard; Most people can't handle redpilling without an heroing.

Just let them be.

Those who Wake are in the position of people in a movie cinema who have lost interest in the movie. We aren't superior, we're just bored. To stand up and start shouting at people that the movie isn't real is pretty obnoxious. And if you try it, the people who run the cinema will come and do unpleasant things to you -- and people will applaud them for it.

But contrariwise, they have no right to force us to watch their shitty movie. We can ease ourselves out of our seats and go looking for the exit. And it's totally okay to ask directions from others who have likewise left their seats.

I can't answer that. But the interesting thing is that if you can organize your thought sufficiently to ask a question, chances are good that you already know the answer and are just looking for someone to give you permission to acknowledge it.

Stop drinking alcohol after mediating.

You might had mixed the feeling of a body with a transition... I might be wrong tho, there might had happened a lot of other random bullshit, like you clashing with somebody else and land on their body.

Shh it's more fun to watch others get ejected from the show.

Not when the soda and popcorn lands on you. Or the lardass security has to waddle his sweaty ass on your face to calm him the fuck out.

Fuck them, each and every of them. Fuck me too.

You just experienced the Doppelganger. It's actually a significant part of the philosophy which became the Alienists, who gave birth to psychoanalysis and, through them, all modern psychology.

The Doppelganger is the archetypal self-which-is-not-self. When you look in the mirror and feel that snap of connection with the eyes of the entity you see there, that's the Doppelganger. Alienation from the self is the source of all emotional trauma, all neurosis, and all psychosis. Integration of the many selves is how you deal with the Doppelganger.

you sound like a coward who denies the concept of justice because your hands are too soft

This is brutal somewhat but I get your point.

The current narrative Is flawed, obviously. Soon I'm going to see if I can alter it.

Thank you both for your answers.
I have

For a Jungian, it always starts by manifesting the Anima. She is your spirit guide, your female nature whose authority is over the intuitive and emotional, and who can help you cross over into the unconscious. I recommend Jung's Red Book, a description of his own process of unification from Anima to Shadow.

I'm not that guy but I was under the impression that every version of myself forwards and backwards and stretching across every dimension was coinciding with my pattern identity of difference from them, to the point of being a sort of self-companions who support me through our parallel relationships and reinforce the weapons of the mind

I mean is this really an acceptable strategy when the world's "largest" and most fucked up religion is intentionally gathering up such people to weaponize them against the state of your world actualization

like attain enlightenment all you want but take a moment to block the dick going into into your brother's chakras

You don't need to destroy the current narrative. Every intuitive on Earth is well aware that the story-cycle of the Hero is winding down. The old archetypal narratives are losing their strength, which is why the Patriarch is becoming more and more oppressive in an attempt to retain power.

We are living through the Kali-Yuga, the interregnum when the old narratives have begun to die and a new story-cycle has not yet begun. Valhalla is in flames. The Gotterdammerung has already started. Just give it time and you'll see a whole new set of narratives emerge.

I know, because you gotta keep those things in mind, when it comes to redpills, mindfullness and awareness it always boils down to worse case scenario for most people.

In my personal opinion I think it is because we are past the information age and everybody and my grandma has access to eveything needed to wake up, but they swallow too much and end up kind of overdosing which makes your brain go full damage control and literally ask you to blow itself up and swallow a shotgun.

Not to be inconsiderate, but what is your take of things like astrology, reincarnation, and magic? I know it sounds corny but I was raised in an SDA household and never really looked into anything outside what I was raised in. However I’ve had a lot of supernatural and “coincidental” experiences throughout my lifetime to not wonder about the bigger picture

Ideally, yes. That's the whole idea behind integrating your selves. The Doppelganger occurs when you have become so alienated from your other selves that you now experience your own conscious identity the same way you experience other people, as The Other.

I would recommend reading through this thread. I've answered a lot of those questions. You'll want to look especially for my discussion of synchronicity -- what you would call coincidence.

Should this be a subject of worry or rather like any cycle just be accepted as life will continue as well?

I must know was it an entity of pure fear i saw or a guardian angel or possibly something else? A shadow darker than pitch black. With a distinguished look of a top hat overcoat and brief case. Thanks

Not OP, it's mostly bullshit and blatlant lies as far as I can tell, but there a humongous load to learn, at the very least for me and I had been exploring myself for years... am obviously excluding everything masturbatory and sexual related despite being in an uzbekistani pottery clay forum.

Although, there is something hidden in all of us. When somebody dies and the go in peace you can actually feel how there is less energy. For me this is more perceptible with people I have no personal attachment to. This is completely different when somebody dies suddenly in an accident. But am basing all this on feelings so I might be wrong allthesame.

My hypothesys is that there is no reincarnation but your energy does stay somehow, and that energy had been around since time inmemorial. But the thing about recalling past lives and all that jazz is bullshit to me.

You may want to have a look through Julian Jaynes' Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. If you've seen Westworld, it's actually what the show is based on.

Jaynes argues that consciousness as we recognize it is only about 4000 years old, and that prior to this our decisions were made by "the gods," who manifested to us as voices in our heads and occasionally as visualizations. He points out that in the earliest books, works like the Pentateuch, the Baghavad Gita, and the Illiad, the gods are constantly talking to and interacting with people, despite the fact these were written as historical accounts.

The last time we went through a change to a new story-cycle -- the Hero, characterized by ultra-individualism -- it was caused by the shift from hunter-gatherer to agrarian society. We are now experiencing a change just as large, and must adapt or die. Ultimately things will settle down, but what emerges out the other end will be quite alien to anything we currently recognize as human. My intuition tells me that it will probably be some form of machine-mediated or -integrated intelligence.

I’ve read through this and was mainly curious about reincarnation as I’ve never gotten a solid answer on it. Recently had my friend read my aura and she claimed I had too many colors, and when she did my tarot card reading she had a vision at the end and started sweating profusely, to which she told me I have a friend. I’m just curious because no one else I know has any answers for me except to look to the church

Vision was of a place my family and I had an odd encounter and that I never took anyone to myself

Well. I usually take these sorts of threads as bullshit larp.

Fuck.

Anyhow I won't go into deets but I feel like you're pretty legit. I'm a golden Dawn/oto/Crowley ceremonial magickian by training, but more of a bunch of other things in practice. Plus a degree in psych.

You don't have a discord or Kik or some shit I could bounce ideas off of you with by chance?

I don't see nothing to fear about the future. Personally I see chryogenics and mental upload/download to unorganic humanoids.

Basically, either our conscious sucedes to exist or we exist in machines for all eternity.

As an experienced lucid dreamer I have talked to many demons and angels, gods and devils, and other such archetypal entities, and I have to tell you that they all seem pretty terrifying when you see them clearly. They are... *alien*. When you see them in their true forms, as powerful egregores, they are pants-shittingly frightening.

Do you have a spirit guide? I would recommend stiffening your sense of identity with whatever rituals and rites are part of your personal paradigm (if you don't have one, folk magick is pretty reliable: salt in the corners of the room, iron nails over doors and windows, etc.), and then confronting this entity.

What you'll find is that if you can find the courage to talk to the thing which has frightened you, it tends to lose much of its menace. If you've got something truly big and nasty by the tail there's some cause for concern, but usually there's no confusion about that. You'll *know* when you've manifested something utterly primal and dangerous.

What should I start on to read about Jung? This always has been interesting to me and I really want to know more about it

I would refrain to deal with them allthesame unless you bump with them constantly which would then mean you have to talk to them whether you like it or not because there is something important you need to know.

This is the most mundane way I can put it into words.

>My intuition tells me that it will probably be some form of machine-mediated or -integrated intelligence.
Actually the collective mind is only a ghost rather than a physical structure but the smoothing out of human thought concepts and action of people mirroring each other by piggybacking opinions and therefor "thinking alike and in the same direction" has created a network of new leylines over the collective psychoschema along which a new traceable form of cause and effect can be said to emerge

drawing the latent power of this untapped potential energy is creating a new breed of psychic, and triggering the emergence of a new generation of psychopomps, who become the gods of tomorrow

You die every day. Every minute of every day. You are the living embodiment of the Ship of Theseus paradox. The you of last year is dead and gone; how do you feel? Chances are good you just shrug your shoulders because the you of last year wasn't overly important -- just as the you of now will also lose its importance when you're no longer him.

Saw this in my bedroom as a child and not once since but im insanely intuitive and i honestly can say i believe i can control weather in my area

I'm the real thing, which is why I keep my anonymity carefully. As I'm sure you're aware, the esoteric secret societies regard the sacred secrets I discuss in these threads as proprietary knowledge. They can't conceive of any purpose for manifesting Goetic archetypes except challenging their temporal authority over the world.

They did approach me and offer to put my feet on the rungs of power, but I politely declined. I am allowed to live in quiet obscurity, and I do nothing to draw their attention to me.

My suggestion would be to start with "Man and his Symbols," which will give you a good introduction to the terminology Jung uses. Freud's "Interpretation of Dreams," and Reich's "Character Analysis" will also be helpful. From there, you'll want to work your way to the Red Book.

The gods once took me to a place they called The Mouth of the Dragon, a sort of in-between place of waiting where they said those who choose to wait out the end of the old Universe and the start of the new one sit and talk about the old stories, about gods who have chosen not to exist in the next world, and decide who they will become when the new world manifests.

Well I browse Yea Forums and /x/ occasionally so I'll bug ya when I see you.

I'll introduce myself as Giszhida. Or is it Gizshida. I've never been a spelling bee champ.

It's interesting meeting fellow travelers of the esoteric arts. I come from a small hillbilly town so meeting others is.. exceedingly rare these days.

With your particular talents/practice one last question.

I'm moving to a monumental change I my life asap. Any advice you can pull?

I've become increasingly alienated from my "spiritual secretary" as I call it/him/her. So my insight has been few and far between.

"It is closing time now in the Gardens of the West. From now on a writer will be judged by the resonances of his silence and the quality of his despair."

Wish I had something less dark for you, but darkness is more useful for a Jungian anyway.

I have a succubus should I stay with her?

It may be dark, but weird resonance is weird. In other words, I'm tracking.

Also in advance, I apologise about the migraine/head ache you are gonna get if you dip deeper into looking. At least according to other random travelers who have tried to dig into the questions I've asked you.

That's not me being tryhard, just a heartfelt apology.

Manifesting a tulpa as a sexual partner is like jerking off with an artillery shell. Permanent thoughtforms you willingly allow to run on your mental machinery are immensely, existentially dangerous. There's a reason why medicine men and wise women use masks, totems, and fetishes to house their menifested thoughtforms, so that they can be removed when they're done with them.

how do i get my fucked up libido to work for me instead of against me?

So if I ask a question? Will you point to the moon or to the stars?

Don't worry about it, I'm not a neophyte. I always manifest a servitor to watch over me before I create one of these threads. Yea Forums is useful as a place for hiding truth amidst the churn, but it's absolutely Qlippoth. It's swarming with every kind of energy vampire and petty astral parasite.

The inbetween kalpa waiting room is a lot like an online game lobby. It's really too similar

I do not have a Tulsa she's a succubus us from Lilith there was a poster in the last succ thread on \x\ who said he talked to her and said the exact same thing that I had heard quote your like a baby surrounded by crocodiles

Isn't that the damn truth.

I'll tell ya what, a lot of my experiences with the "occult" has been existentially terrifying learning expenses. I wouldn't give anything up if I were to start my path anew.

I just wish I could practice more than just meditation due to a wife, stepdaughter and animals. Stepdaughter is quite naturally gifted, so I don't want anything hanging around.

So I've basically been cut off from that source.

All I have left is, can you show me something that only I would understand? I’ll try to put a pulse out but I’m not sure how to do this effectively

Ask it. Is your sexuality male or female? Manifest either the Anima or the Animus and explain your problem. A lot of the conflicts and traumas people have are the result of their unwillingness to recognize elements of their own identity. Essentially you just need to be kinder to yourself, so respectfully ask that element of your nature to imperson itself and come to you so you can work out a compromise which gives you both some of what you want.

i dont feel like i ever achieve anything with these thoughts. never any certitude, never any concept of evolution, no matter how much i delve, i never seem to change. i am of two minds of everything and i often argue (because I know the merits) of both sides to myself. everything is superfluous. im not sure how to commit to an action that will give me real sense of change. is it a perception shift? i even tried my hand at a basic ritual... but nothing. is it because im too ingrained and believe in the material (and that only)? if so, how do i break out of that? how do i give in so that i can work towards what i think is right for me?

Different user here, something other than meditation? Looking to learn

user these are some pretty nice fortunes. I want one. Currently I lie coiled in the shape of a rattlesnake at the foot of a mountain, nurturing my indignation. What do I feed to the demons of cleansing fire that shall become me when searing heat blisters and pours out from my molting skin?

As I said in a previous post I'm a ceremonial magickian by trade I guess. Golden Dawn. O.T.O, key of Solomon. All that sorta stuff.

So in the context of your question, invocation, evocation, various other rituals. Thus I'm mostly stuck in what I can do just through meditation.

Basically exploring a vast underground cave network with a lighter. Vs having a guide and a portable flood light.

That "succubus" is a tulpa. It's an element of your own identity manifesting as a demon. It starts out very simple, with little differentiation from your own ego-self, and with no memories of its own. But the longer you leave it running, the more complex it becomes. It becomes stronger as you pay more attention to it, and it starts surreptitiously hijacking your unconscious processes, getting a bigger and bigger vote at the committee table of self. If it gets a majority, it can become the new chair -- something we refer to as "demonic possession."

Lilitu is a manifestation of the Anima, but a dark and hostile one. Like the Dakinis, she's a transformative figure about empowerment of the female. Lilitu has a vested interest in seducing you with your own sexuality and copying her identity over yours.

You've been warned. Do as thou wilt.

I’ve been suffering from soul crushing despair for about a decade. One foot in front of the other has been the only path. When will there be happiness?

Ah, and as such I imagine “bumping” into stuff is a bit more surprising, for lack of a better word, when with said “lighter”, but easier to be noticed with a guide. I’m trying to delve but without being seen or caught, I work very heavily on maintaining a mental “sphere” around myself ever since my first encounter

I feed the demons willpower, stubborn mess and occasionally let them out to play in a very supervised situation.

The best cliche thing I can say is focus on the 25m target. Let future thoughts not take focus and focus on the most proximate threat.

Ironically being an infantryman with a stupid looking beige beret taught me a lot I missed in my occulting.

What if my Lilith is in Scorpio?

I do as well. I've done a lot of paranormal investigating with my wife. Our group calls me a "ghost nope" because it seems like I have a bubble of radio silence around me for whatever reason (there are some theories).

My first astral encounter was terrifying, so I try to wrap myself in the visage of something terrifying to me. Seems to work, have a hard time turning it off.

So I'm basically sneaking through a Lazer tag battle room with no lights. I only tend to catch things in passing by chance these days.

What exactly is that interest what do I have to offer her?

For me it’s been an issue of letting my grip on alcoholic sobriety slip and if I’m by myself having auditory hallucinations or so I tell myself. But yea I get told consistently by my more “in-tune” friends that they can’t read me like they can other people. I’ve also had good experience with predicting outcomes or deja vu

I'm not sure you're doing her any favours. My mother was an intuitive and a witch, but I didn't know until I was middle-aged. My father had forbidden her to discuss it with me. I inherited all her intuitiveness plus interest, and was a strange, haunted child, literally and figuratively.

As a baby I never cried, ever. My mother tells me that she often heard crying from my room and the footsteps of someone responding, but that I was always sound asleep when it happened. I had numerous experiences growing up of clocks and pictures throwing themselves off the wall, inexplicable cold spots and feelings of terror, banging on the walls, sprays of sparks from electrical outlets and extention cords, all that kind of stuff. If she had explained what was going on, my life would have made much more sense.

Instead, one day when I started explaining some of this to my mother in my 40s, she looked guilty and told me about her promise to my father and said she now felt released from that promise now I'd brought it up. She smiled and said, "Look into my eyes."

I did so, and I can't quite explain what she did, but it was like staring into a blast furnace. There was something like a... mental "click" is the best way I can describe it, and it was as if I was looking into a long, extremely bright, flaming tunnel.

My life might have turned out quite differently if we'd had that conversation 30 years earlier.

Likely gaining your soul under her control, like a virus in the matrix. Ya know the one guy who duplicated a fuck ton

Look at the hospital. It's your finger.

I’m personally looking for that click, I can tell it’s out there but I’m not sure where the spark is

My finger to the moon?

Oh I've had the discussion with her and I don't hide her from it. Her mother is a naturally gifted empathy/medium who somehow ended up dabbling in enochian. Which is the one form of "magick" I have never had the balls to explore.

Which is ironic considering my spiritual uh, predicament.

There's no single path. I can't tell you what to do because your internal geography is very different from mine. What I *can* do is give you the tools to seek the path for yourself. The fact that you're here asking me instead of asking one of your selves tells me you don't have a very good working relationship -- yet.

You need to spend some time getting to know yourself, showing yourself trust and allowing some of your other selves to "take the wheel" occasionally to show you trust them. That's how you develop your relationship with them, and in return they will help you map out your internal spaces.

I definitely understand how there changing me and subconcious thoughts some days I swear I wake up and I have absolutely no doubts about their intentions at all seemingly out of the blue. But how would.I go about getting rid of them? I'm told it's nearly impossible and I believe my succubus has been with me for a very long time probably since I was five year old I don't think she'd ever let go.

Sameski.

A lot of my "in tune" friends as you out it constantly accuse me of seeing the future.

I'm scientifically minded so I just assume my probably on the asperger scale ass is good at seeing patterns.

Oh and caveat. One time after a deep meditative session I ended up being intimate with my wife (gf at the time) and I had a very very very similar experience.

Almost like how the ancient one fucking John Cena's Dr strange into the astral plane. Jarring as a mother fucker.

I tried to chalk it up to that but everything keeps getting more frequent in my life. Something wants me to be involved in this spiritual stuff

"If I draw a pattern on a piece of paper, here is an action I am taking on the ground of my experience of my situation. What do I experience myself as doing and what intention have I? Madness need not be all breakdown. It may also be break-through."

So says the wild, silent screech.

How do I stop seeing myself as the embodiment of my shadow? In terms of archetypes. I’m my worst enemy and the path I’m heading down will likely end with my suicide, and I don’t want to do that

Ok Richard.

sure, a wise human like you browsing Yea Forums
i cant belive you faggots fell for it
open your eyes, look around thats the reality
not some BS spirit worlds

Go back to sleep, your quarrel is with yourself

Stop? Why would you want to? Being aware of your Shadow puts you way ahead of the game. Most people can't even bring themselves to admit its existence, much less worry about its nature.

Some of us might be stuck not having developed said shadow and instead are the shadow due to hatred for less development

What did I do in a past life to deserve this shit man? I've had a hard enough life as it is and I have to deal with this too? It's to fucking much to deal with sometimes I never even summoned her or had any interest in succubi she just came to me. I hate this fucking shit.

i dont mean to be rude but much of your advice seems to boil down to "summon a self and negotiate" but i dont know how to do that. ive read your other replies- read carl jungs log, or maybe visualize, but how do you go from non-mystical bumpkin like me to immediately talking to- i mean, is it really as simple as thinking of the anima and talking to it? and acknowledging that as a part of me?

maybe what im asking is a question of belief, how is it that you are able to better conjure these selves and interact with them meaningfully? how do you get to that point in the first place is what im asking... maybe you dont have an answer, im starting to think.

i think im trying too hard to look for a specific guideline and you're bruce lee telling everyone to be their own martial artist.. but i just dont see, feel any congruity with the other selves, how do i first acknowledge them? is it in carl's log? will that illuminate?

Of COURSE you are your Shadow. It's you. You're it. Finding yourself in the Shadow is the ultimate goal for a Jungian. The recognition and acceptance of your own darkness is the hardest thing a human being can do; many people prefer death.

Appreciate it man

Can you become immortal?

I'm not trying to sound like a fortune cookie, I just assume that most people in this thread are adepts. It's why I usually start by asking people whether they've manifested their Anima yet.

Start with visualization. This will probably take time, and a lot of it, if it's not something which comes naturally to you. You may not even know what it means. Let me explain it.

I can put myself anywhere I like in my head. I can just say something like, "a cottage" or "a castle" or "the inside of a moving train," close my eyes, and visualize it as if I was in the Star Trek holodeck. My unconscious creates all the details. I can walk around in it, explore it, open cupboards, inspect everything in minute detail, and my unconscious will dutifully construct everything for me.

That's visualization. When I say to "manifest the Anima," I mean to ask her to appear and then allow your unconscious to sketch her in. Originally, for example, my Anima took the form of a young Christina Applegate. She was flirty, funny, a little sarcastic, and kind. Later, as my inner self matured and developed, she took a new form: Marlene Dietrich. And now she's bitterly mordant, a little mean, and has much less patience for my bullshit. I didn't choose her forms, *she* did.

As your capacity for visualization improves, you will be able to simply ask parts of yourself to manifest for you, close your eyes, and they will come.

just woke up actually, at 11:11 to be percise
came here to tell all of you that its all BS
coincidence?
oh sorry according to the bs larper there is no such thing

Love when I get just enough to tease me but not enough to inform me

Kek when you didn’t post at 11:11

I suppose I'll just exercise my freedom as I always have then

For certain values of "you" and "immortal," yes. But probably not in any way you'd recognize as immortal. Manifesting the Rebis and constructing the Philosopher's Stone are advanced alchemical processes if you can learn how to chain up enough spiritual metal, and the latter is how one achieves immortality.

i used to be heavily in touch with my spiritual side, but fell out of it a few years ago. around then my depression also started to spiral more and more, which i definitely think was caused by losing touch. i’m wondering if you have any advice on how to regain contact with that side of myself, as i’ve been trying for a while but can’t seem to get a hold of it anymore

how do i keep these "things" whatever they are from poking at me and harrasing me at night when im trying to sleep?

Tell them they’re not welcome, just like animals they usually disappear with noise or commands. Something about the old rules of the universe

Linking spiritual metal, now that’s gotta take some effort

Auto-suggestion. Use the paradigm which most speaks to you, usually the one you were raised in. If you have nothing else, there are some folks magicks and general-purpose rituals you can use, such as the LBRP, which can help stiffen your Will and act as a barrier.

For the moment, salting each corner of the room you want protected and then sweeping up and replacing the salt each morning is an easy and cheap ritual you can perform.

I’ve noticed that physical excercise has sharpened my mind to the point that my dreams are getting more intense

I feel like most self proclaimed adepts arent even close to adept. Lots of reading, not much practical application.

Your explanation of your anima changing over time was way more succinct than I could put it.

I dont use the term anima because a lot of new age nonsense has co-opted the word. However I had a similar experience with mine. He started out as the hardest, saltiest NCO to ever grace the battlefield. I got a lot of tongue lashings and metaphorical beatings as i pursued (rather recklessly) my path into magick.

Now it seems to like to appear as basically anthony hopkins pretending to be socrates in a way. (Or hell, nick nolte in peaceful warrior is close as well).

Ill tell you right now, Id rather take the getting chewed out and smacked around over the level of quiet sullen disappointment I tend to be getting bits of these days.

I really need to get back into it. Thanks Jungian user. Gizshida (just gonna spell it like that) appreciates your tidbits.

isolate yourself from material representations of yourself by traveling to some site that is attractive yet foreign to your personal experience and live a life of ascetic minimalism while devoting your energy to observing the motion of your surroundings

"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours."-- Richard Bach

What you're doing is essentiially a spell. By repeating your affirmation that you are depressed and miserable, you are reinforcing a neural pathway which grinds through its circular emotional pathology like a prayer wheel. Stop telling yourself that you're depressed and that you've lost contact with your spiritual side. Break the cycle. Tell yourself a new narrative -- out loud -- and manifest it.

yeah, it took me about 44 minutes to read all the crap here, post was made at 11:55, I woke up at 11:11, do the math

I knew I felt a pull tonight. I don't usually create these threads unless I hear someone ring my mental doorbell. When I was confused and groping my way around, secet masters revealed themselves to me and taught me tools to help me survive -- and warn me about the fnords. Now I try to pass on their kindness to others, as I hope others will one day pass on mine.

i sometimes speak to them and they ease up but lack of attention makes them harrass me more, sometimes if they think im asleep and dont notice im awake they leave me be but as soon as i start moving i can feel them move in the air or they start getting touchy again, but like you said they do occasionally listen to commands, like for example one time i told them to "fuck off" and they do listen, one time i told "it" it could follow me to college and during that entire day i felt what i normally felt during nighttime (the poking) throughout my entire day and it gets annoying sometimes but i liked the feeling of having company (im almost always alone and barely have friends) but i dont think im supposed to make it follow me outside my home since i vaguely remember reading something online advising against it but i dont remember

Man you read slow

i'm a newfug to this sort of stuff and i avoid researching it out of cowardice so like, i dont even know what a paradigm is

will try at this. maybe can talk to you in some future thread but probably not. this place is too black and always at my worst when am here. thanks.

Couldn’t tell ya, just be cautious if it starts asking for favors. That’s when it tried to snair ya

yeah, English is not my native language duhhh

Uh huh, sure it isn’t

Found 2:34am

not sure if all this anima thing is any real, but the way you talk is quite inspiring and you try and help people dealing with depression, you seem like a nice person OP

A quiet plea is drowned in the noise.

im just happy to be able to speak with someone about this since i always keep it to myself cause people irl start thinking im some schizo

Think of a paradigm as a spiritual map. All maps are false because they're not the territory they're mapping, but they can be used to find your way. Christianity is a paradigm, for example. Or Kaballah. Or Sufism. Or Wicca. Or Demonolatry. Or any of a thousand other systems. They're all describing the same phenomena, but in different ways. The one which will have the greatest effect is usually the one you grew up with; if you grew up in a Catholic home, you could use bell, book, and candle to drive out the entities, for example.

Folk magicks are another paradigm, sometimes called hedge magicks. They're traditional forms of folklore and superstition not usually directly connected to other specific paradigms.

this is all really good advice, and i will definitely take both into heavy consideration. question though, what are the differences between anima and tulpa? i only ask because during the period i was in touch with myself, i am fairly certain i created a tulpa, but after reading this thread i’m not quite sure if i created them or they came to me

What would your plea be?

i've seen your last thred on Yea Forums and found it really refreshing to see how much effort you put into it. i myself had a livechanging expiriences using high doses of dmt. felt some kind of oceanic feeling and oneness with everything around me. i cryed tears of happyness, since i had the feeling to have insights in the structure of the universe and that rebirth and death is happening all the time

Attached: gurdjieff.jpg (225x225, 6K)

Now I’m wondering if since I stopped breathing at birth and had that heart murmur if my mind fractured a bit and my anima is a tulpa, although I doubt that’s possible

Technically the Anima *is* a tulpa, but a special version. The Anima is your own female nature, so in this case "possession" by your Anima would be a good thing. She's not male, she doesn't want to conquer and oppress you, at least not in her kinder forms.

Jung does warn that the form your Anima takes initially will be strongly influenced by your relationship with your mother. If your mother was distant or abusive, the Anima may be somewhat hostile and might take some time to work with and develop mutual trust.

Welcome back. I'm starting to fade; it's been 7 hours and I need some sleep, I'm afraid. I'm usually good for 12 - 15 hours on these threads, but we're close to limit anyway and I'm struggling to keep my eyes open.

thank you for your quick responses my guy, i’m amazed that a thread like this popped up the one time i decided to open Yea Forums in a while. if i remember correctly, my tulpa’s personality was fashioned strongly after my mother, she was very analytical and had a very dry, sarcastic tone most of the time. i’m wondering if you’ve ever interacted with someone who pushed away their anima/tulpa and started working to rebuild that connection, and if so was it more difficult the second time around? i ask because i worry that i “burned the bridge” so to say as i feel like i’ve been getting cold shouldered whenever i try to open myself up to that connection again.

No, don't worry, the Anima will always be on your side because she *is* you. She's the part of your identity which is emotional, intuitive, spiritual and maternal. She has a dark and even cruel side, but it's not likely to be directed at you. To hurt you she has to hurt herself, and the Anima is wise enough not to do that.

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, it wasn't a coincidence that I opened Yea Forums at just the right time. That's somehow comforting. I'm going to reflect on what I've learned here and hopefully I will see you when I need to next.

Addendum, I know I will probably be able to tell that it's you, or another like you, but is there any consistancy to your self identification? Like, will I see the same symbolism appear with these fonts of information? Or will just be something u have to intrinsically know?

>Ask and I will point at the Moon
And I'll point back.

Attached: BeelzebubCosmic.jpg (1729x1958, 1.52M)

I'd like to ask your opinion on Christianity. The Devil and God. Also how would one know the Anima if they see it.

I use the same sigil when I create these threads, but you shouldn't have any trouble telling whether or not it's me; use your intuition. It's much better at recognizing patterns than your conscious mind is.

If it's okay with you, I'd like to beg off. I've been answering questions for 7+ hours now, and I'm starting to nod off. There are a couple of esoterics in the thread, though, and maybe they might be willing to answer.

What is that sigil? If it's relevant. If it's just a handy identifier, then so be it, but if it has significance I'm curious.

Nevermind then, hope you rest easy. If anyone else knows what it is, I'd love to hear it.

Sure. Taking the time to read everything earlier..

it's obviously some laughing happy eggman watching somebody have sex through a keyhole

I will see you in the dream within this dream.

First time I've seen one of your threads - I appreciate your suggested readings and insights; it's a breath of fresh air.

This past year (June 2018 - June 2019) has been very stressful for me (first world problems, nothing too serious). I had to "become" someone else to cope with the stress and successfully navigate very unfamiliar and uncomfortable situations. I now realize that for the first time, I exercised the ability to **remain myself** but "become" someone else.

I recently (July 2019) turned to spirituality in search of an explanation for my experiences over the past year. I started reading about astral projection and hermeticism, and, in the past, have also experienced a number of vivid OBEs during sleep paralysis. I discovered some of these spiritual concepts of which you speak. My always-been-present urge to discard many of my belongings and really lean into spirituality has inexorably strengthened as a result of this past year.

I'm very interested in doing my own research and answering my own questions. Can you share a quick list of resources you'd recommend to help me on this path? Any 'tools of the trade?' I already recorded the following:

Reading:
Man and His Symbols
Interpretation of Dreams
Character Analysis
Red Book

Techniques:
Folk magic or rituals to strengthen your will and face the darkness.
Find your Anima or guide.

Will I ever get her nudes

A∴A∴ mystic here. There are no DEEP MYSTERIES. Except how often your mom and I fucked on an Alter in a deconsecrated Church. And whether or not I'm you're father.

Attached: Aleister_Crowley.jpg (630x871, 248K)

Which lineage? I am also a member. I don't think my Superior would be too happy with me if I misspelled the word "Altar" in my journal entries.

What grade are you?

will reading this thread trigger my schizophrenia, OP?

hey op do you have any book recomendations for me on this subject, i dont even know what an anima is

He's gone to bed. Read the thread and you'll learn enough to start. There are a few books by Jung mentioned.

saw dis indawoods before sunset

Attached: lalala.jpg (626x438, 170K)

Same guy, I decided to read anyways lol, believe me if you want, or don't, choice is yours.

I want to start learning, even if I still don't consider all of this to be true, where do I start?

"Life is Real Only Then, When 'I Am'"

read it

Can you please recommend pieces of the Red Book I should read? I have the illustrated manuscript.

Attached: bookred119a1-e1432232258130.jpg (740x978, 260K)