Veganism is a subject I've never really understood

Meat eating is bad and the community that surrounds it also.

Some people are morally against a living creature having to die so we can eat it. Personally abuse the hierarchy approach. I rarely eat cow, occasionally eat pig, but have no problem eating birds. Birds are dumb animals and have veryblottlenmental power unlike pigs and cows that are more aware of what's going on around them.

Good point. Better get on my raping gloves.

Veganism is healthier, cheaper, more energy efficient, cleaner for the environment, and causes fewer diseases to people living near farms.

ravens r smarter than pigs
plants r living creatures
veganism is a moral virtue, but not a moral necessity
and we r heterotrophs

That's a big yikes. might wanna do a little research there sunflower pocahontas

its not healthier, cheaper efficient, nor environmentally cleaner, or causing less farmers disease

crows and parrots are super intelligent.
chickens are sweethearts, but kind of retarded.
that may be because we keep breeding and raising them to be retarded meatballs, though

>r
>r
>r
stop.

Almost everyone knows it's less destructive and better for the planet to be vegan, but a lot of vegans are annoying people. That's why I just don't eat animal products and get on with my day.

No, stopping eating meat is the best thing we can do as individuals for the environment. And eating meat is objectively worse for you than eating plants, many meats cause cancer.

This

It's about power,they don't care anyway.

why is it better for the planet?

- When someone says this. So you are fully aware how wrong eating meat is, and yet you persist. "Hi, I'm extra not a person, and only valid argument for authoritarianism"

Ever see a 100 year old vegan? Me either. You need complex protein and animal fats for vitamins and energy. We are omnivore that leans on majority meat. Like a bear.

Everything causes cancer. Oxygen causes cancer. Look people are now living long enough to die from cancer.

Excuse me, it isn't better for the planet. I meant to say it's better for life on the planet. Raising cattle means deforestation and destruction of ecosystems. Raising cattle means producing huge amounts of manure. Raising cattle means pollution of the water. Raising cattle means increased levels of Nitrogen and Phosphorus in nearby water systems destroying the ecosystem. Raising cattle means pollution of the air. Raising cattle means clearing big areas of land for a small amount of food.

I think most of the bad rep vegans get is because you hear the more vocal ones more. I know several vegans who don't do anything to draw attention to it, even coming to events with their own food so as not to burden the host, with a little extra should anone want to have a taste.
Also, since they're heavily outnumbered, they have to defend their deviant behavior against social normativity, which can make anyone bitter pretty quickly. When you have to explain your lifestyle and argue about it every day, it's pretty hard to stay patient.

All in all I think they're right, that we should drastically reduce our meat intake to get to something a bit more sustainable, and since not everyone is doing it, those who do do well to stop eating meat altogether.

I'd become a vegan in a heartbeat if changing ingrained food habits were easier.

>but that quotas,enforcing through force,and other controll freak faggots irritate me beyond oblivion
>irrate me beyond oblivion

So that's a very strong opinion based on a vague feeling. Good for you.

b.t.w there is no way around quotas. When we talk about climate, the house is on fire.

Being vegan means you have to eat SOY
therefore vegans = SOYS

Big pharma and the food industry get rich on people eating unhealthy shit food, most of which are animal products. They're putting in a lot of effort to make veganism seem like the wimpy thing to do and slaughtering animals so you can eat their meat the manly and cool thing to do.

You use gloves?

Alos, raising cattle in overcrowded conditions means having to use loads of antibiotics to prevent disease from running rampant, which is a prime medium for multiresistant bacteria to emerge and spread. And it's been some decades since we've uncovered new antibiotics ; some strains are now resistant to everything we know.

This. they only pretend to care about animals because they can emote.
Plants have the same will to live yet they farm and eat them anyway.

non vegan here working a vegan restaurant gig. it is family owned and they keep trying to push that shit on me. that bitch stopped when I mentioned that all that make up on her face ain't vegan

>be libtard
>compare eatting meat to raping children
>eatting animal
>molesting children
>animal
>human

And this, boys and girls, is why the left is fucking retarded

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eat a dick - get some animal product in yourself
faggot

meat doesnt cause cancer, cow farts is ranked 4th in climate influence at 15%, way below burning fossil fuel and eating meat is objectively better than plant diet

Simply put. There is nothing wrong with eating meat. It's a good way to turn unusable grassland into calories.
But we totally overdo it. We eat to much and that leads to all kind of animal abuse and environmental issues. The meat industry is horrible. But raise a sheep in your garden, keep the grass short and eat it by autumn. Nothing wrong with that.
And if you can not kill an animal yourself, you should not eat meat.

rising crops is pesticides and fertilizers, that poison water and ppl

Red meat does cause cancer.

You mean, because they can use comparisons between two very different ideas to make the connection between the two plainer to see, and that doesn't instantly fry their brains ?

no, it doesnt
>moving the goalpost from "meat" to "red meat"

And all research disagrees here. No matter how much you like to do the crybaby and say: No it doesn't.

If we stop eating meat then what the fuck are we gonna do with animals? We can’t just keep them because there’s no profit being made. And we can’t let them out in the free because then they’ll overpopulate and start invading our cities.

Veggies good. Methane meat bad.

Indeed. On top of that overcrowded cattle conditions increase the risk of pandemic outbreaks. It's one of the few things that can really fuck humanity over, but when it comes to food most people are unable to look at it rationally.

I don't go around converting people, but often when people ask or discover that you're vegan you get into a discussion about the subject. It doesn't matter what reason they say they choose (except for I just don't care) to eat meat, when you refute one of the reasons they elected, they will find a different excuse. Now I don't expect a justification. I'm just asking why they eat meat, and offer an explanation as to why it's baseless. Don't underestimate the (un)willing blindness to rationality when people think about what they eat.

Veganism is dope. I know a lot of vegan retards who live off chips and bread and, hence, look and feel like shit. Focus on being plant based instead - just make sure you're getting enough protein and fill the rest up with veg. As a former steakbro, now feel much better - heart rate lower, more energy, need less sleep, leaner, stronger. Would definitely recommend trying it out properly for a couple of months at least.

4th in climate influence at 15%, and you don't think that's significant ? The meat industry also uses more fossil fuels than vegetable growing for the same nutrition, since the grain used to feed animals has way more volume per calorie of meat than if we ate it ourselves, and we have to move them there, then the animals to our plate.
I live in France, and most of the mutton sold here comes from New Zealand. That's completely mental.

I wanted to try a vegan trial period of 1 month, just as a challenge/ to check it out. That was 2 years ago and I haven't stopped yet. I did it cold turkey, and it was not hard at all. Maybe it was easier for me because I cook my own meals.

Yeah. Extra grip. Same reason race car drivers use them.

all the research u quoted, huh?

Yeah. Only that a good part of meat production is not based on grain that we could eat ourself but on making grassland productive where nothing of value would grow. Eating meat is not a problem. Feeding animals grains that we could eat ourself is though.

Not if you use hydro or aquaponics

no. When u need to fix the budget, u dont cut down on toilet paper - u start with the big stuff.

ye - acres of hydro, or aquaponics all over the world, as we r known to do.

Go check out a slaughterhouse. Then come back & tell me you want to keep eating what you saw

>rising crops is pesticides and fertilizers, that poison water and ppl
Good of you to bring this up. Can you give me an honest thought out answer to the following question?
If producing 1kg of meat requires 20kg of crops, do you think there would be more pesticides, fertilizers that poison water and people or less of them when people stop eating the kilogram of meat and eat a kilogram of crops instead?

Really? Actual ALL research says that the main reason for colo-rectal cancer is red meat. I don't need to qoute it. A quick Google scholar search will confirm my statement. There is no discussion about this, it is scientific consens. If something you need to make the effort to quote a paper that says the opposite.

That "good part" is a lie, a comfortable one, but far from the truth. I have no moral qualms about eating animals that have been raised outside in pastures that couldn't be productive otherwise - but if most cattle were raised like this, we would've run out of place several times over already. Pastures take a lot of arable space for little yield.
Animals are useful around a farm, and ecologically useful ; we should just be eating at most a tenth of the meat we're consuming.

Meat DOES increase cancer. The breakdown of animal proteins raises IGF-1 levels which are directly linked to cancer.

nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/14/animal-protein-and-igf-1/

>connection
vegans cant obviously
they arent connected lmao.

an equivalent relavent statement would be "people are going drive cars if I ride my bike or not so I best head out and drive my car"

we dont grow beets, carrots and wheat for cows - we lead them out to field to graze grass
if it takes 20kg to grow a kg of meat, it applies to humans too and its even less efficient, cuz we cant digest most of it, cuz its made of cellulose

and u cant cite a single 1

Only that we don't use 20kg of crops to make meat. This is a calculation you see everywhere and it is true for some areas and some animals, like pigs. But then again a lot of meat is raised on grassland where nothing of value, except meat, would grow.

15%. That's 1/7th. It is extremely far from negligible. I agree that other areas are proportionately more important to focus on, but that should'nt mean we completely ignore the other ; plus, as stated before, the meat industry is also tied to fossil fuels, moreso than a plant-based diet.

Make an impossible burger cheaper than a real one and i bet you a lot more people would rather eat that than a real one an there you go all the fast foods would probably stop making anything with meat and rather experiment with soy leghemoglobin

this is a blog

Yes I agree.

Vegans just want the attention.
the meat could be lab grown they'll still find some new reason to be a vegan because it makes them feel special

Animal products indeed have a link with colon cancers. It's not at all surprising that it's right there that the cancer can happen as it's the chemicals that are made from breaking down animal protein that can cause cancer, so right at the end of the digestive tract.

>I continue my destructive diet, because some people don't do that to make themselves feel special

How is climate influence measured?
throw this argument in the trash

As a biochemist, I'd like to tell you that you are wrong

Now you are either just stupid or trolling. Either way enjoy your day.

Another user did your homework for you a bit up the thread by the way.

We've eaten meat for millenia, it's fine

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Are you making sure that you're only eating meat that's raised on grassland where nothing else would grow?

Your point being? That's exactly what I said, only that it was a little less intelligible mumble.

environmental protection agency, source of greenhouse gas emmissions, 2016
electricity - 28%, Industry - 22%, commercial and residential - 11%, agriculture - 9%
yes - we need to do the power sources, not meat

Kek, so what is different from the amino acids in animal protein and plant proteins?

Protip: all protein is made from the same 20 amino acids

is it a trait of the right to take everything litteral?

pretty simple rhetorical move you're having troubles with there buddy.

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Buying meat from farms is absolutely the meanest. Same with milk and eggs. They lock the pigs away and force them to be incels.

The better thing to do is buy meat from hunters or fished fishe

I only eat meat that I raised and killed myself. I find meat from that pesticide and antibiotics ridden industry just vile and disgusting.

It would not be economically sound to use animal products for all that stuff if there wasn't such a huge supply (low price) because of meat-eaters. If cattle would not be raised, a vegan alternative would replace it.

>They lock the pigs away and force them to be incels
u r such a fucking beta incel loser, that u empathise with pigs

If you absolutely find you have to eat meat, I wished more people would do it like you.

Goodness you are an annoying idiot. Here is the world leading organisation on health issues for you then: who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

The Amazonas are now being burned exactly for this reason: Turning the forest into a land for growing cattle and food for it, for the meat industry.

There is a great youtube video about it by the guy that makes the Crash Course videos.

Most land in the US is used for it and it is not economical or sustainable with or without a connection to veganism.

I don't particularly care what you eat, but a lot of us are tired of the "holier than thou" a lot of vegans have in them. Right there you called it a "destructive diet." I enjoy black bean burgers and salads and could probably coast without meat if delicious and filling alternatives were available while pulling in a drive through rushing to work. But every time a vegan thinks he's better than everyone else, I hope a fat guy eats a burger and an angel gets its wings.

"In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.

Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out."
Kek

I agree. And I also find it morally wrong if people eat meat that could not slaughter an animal themself. It just decreases the respect for the the product you consume if you are that detached from the process.

Veganism is more commie bullshit. What it does long term to the AVERAGE follower is reduce the person to an emotional mess who's incapable of intelligently navigating the world around them. Vegans tend to get behind other commie bullshit like "socialism", "feminism", "animal rights", flooding human countries with orc invaders and feeding them an endless supply of taxpayer money, so on and so forth. There are obviously outliers, but we're talking about what the AVERAGE vegan does.

Did you read what i wrote?
The popular diet will always be destructive to them so they can justify being special.
when lab grown meat becomes far more efficient, healthy and eco/animal friendly than farm raised plants, vegans still wont eat meat.
theyll say its because its unnatural or dangerous.

vegans would becomes the antivaxxers of the food world

Ask any vegan what makes them special
being a vegan will be the first and only thing they say

We never ate as much as we do now.

Why not do both at the same time?

It's more about us working at a desk 40hrs a week and not the meat

Your scientific literacy is that of a preschooler it seems. I gonna stop talking to you now. Find someone else for trolling.

Yeah. This a America. Fuck communism. I fuck over whoever I want.

Quote from National Cattlemen’s Beef Association. In 2015.

I will keep eating meat whatever some vegan cuck says

> The consumption of processed meat was associated with small increases in the risk of cancer in the studies reviewed. In those studies, the risk generally increased with the amount of meat consumed. An analysis of data from 10 studies estimated that every 50 gram portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by about 18%.

The cancer risk related to the consumption of red meat is more difficult to estimate because the evidence that red meat causes cancer is not as strong. However, if the association of red meat and colorectal cancer were proven to be causal, data from the same studies suggest that the risk of colorectal cancer could increase by 17% for every 100 gram portion of red meat eaten daily.
so if i ate 1kg of processed meat 1 day, id have almost 100% chance of cancer, yeah? Or is it, that ive got 5% of getting cancer and that days meal set is gonna make it 10%? And only if i eat kilograms of meat every day
>Eating meat has known health benefits. Many national health recommendations advise people to limit intake of processed meat and red meat, which are linked to increased risks of death from heart disease, diabetes, and other illnesses.
>Vegetarian diets and diets that include meat have different advantages and disadvantages for health. However, this evaluation did not directly compare health risks in vegetarians and people who eat meat. That type of comparison is difficult because these groups can be different in other ways besides their consumption of meat.
u can kys, nigger

YEAH - WHY NOT INDYSTRY AND ELECTRTICITY TO LOWER THE INFLUENCE BY ALMOST 50%, INSTEAD OF 30?

>But every time a vegan thinks he's better than everyone else, I hope a fat guy eats a burger and an angel gets its wings.
I don't get this sentiment. It seems very egoistic that you would wish hurt, just because someone said something you didn't want to hear. Do you think it's not a two way street? Do you think you don't get shitted on for being vegan?

>Right there you called it a "destructive diet."
It simply is. Calling a spade a spade. I don't say it to make you feel bad. I used to be the same. It's just annoying to see so much nature being destroyed for no good reason and the people that are having a hand in it start acting hurt when you mention it.

I'm not talk about being fat, just saying we eat more meat per year than we did 100 + years ago. But eating more salad will help you loose weight, regardless if you sit at a desk or not.

Wrong. Ecofascism is the way.

I've been living vegan for three years now. Best choice I have ever made. I'm not pushing it into others and I am feeling better both physically and mentally. Other people in my environment have nothing but ridiculing comments and jokes about it though but there are a handful of agreeing people here (Maastricht, the Netherlands).

>respect
its a dumb unremarkable animal who are you clowns?
It has no utility other than food.
I can understand respecting things with some scientific utility
strange plants in the amazon
killer whales
monkeys
bees
jellyfish
Scientists are still learning things about these animals.
cows chickens deer and most common rodents are food and nothing more.

>loose weight
eat more dictionary

You have a peculiar notion of people that don't eat animal products. There's nothing anyone can do or say to convince you that your view is something you made up yourself.

Why cant you do both? Then it could 80%

Paper has no nutritional value dummy

And yet vegans are healthier even though they also work desks 40hrs a week

It was a quote from the WHO article user posted here.

Your blanket statement doesnt work in this case

damngs

Veganism and vegetarianism is for pussies who think plants aren't just as alive as animals.

There is nothing more to learn about user. So now user is food.
Get in the pot user

Blanket statement? Why don't you get under the blankets with me?

cuz eating other animals is healthy and not necessary to quit

Eating meat causes more plants to be harmed than eating plants.

But user, empathy is important. Every living thing needs it.

1 Dollar more decides over a life time of misery.

So you only respect things that have a novelty value for you, things that you don't yet know very well.
With that logic you would be fascinated by other cultures but your immediate family can just be killed for food.

user's quote was in that article & it's from the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.

You need to kill more plants to sustain a meat eating diet than a vegan one. YOU ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT RETARD.

But do you actually care about that? No, it's just a dumb baseless excuse for you to eat meat. Which is fine, just don't mention it. Say something like "I don't care".

I don't think eating meat inherently makes you a bad person, but the mental gymnastics people use to pretend that needlessly killing animals to eat isn't objectionable is really strange.

If you believe that killing animals unnecessarily is cruel and live in a first world nation with access to any kind of food you want, then there is no logical way you can justify eating meat. It's just that simple. Saying your ancestors did it or that you have canines or the lions eat meat or whatever weird idea you spit out when questioned by vegans/vegetarians is just you making excuses.

This

Kek, so your reading comprehension sucks?

Ya and manbun wearing vegan incels did/are doing nothing to stop it. they will help by checking some meat eaters privilege in wholefoods

Agreed

what if I told you they have the technology at disposal to resolve ALL issues related to this.
They just want to enslave everyone furthermore.

Going for a daily bike ride will help too meat or not

Thank you

No more feeding the troll for you. Enjoy the day where you can feel superior because user on the Internet got tired of talking to you.

If that was the case, I would ask you to clarify whom you mean with "they" and "everyone".

eat 30% fat, 20% protein, 50% carbs. make sure you eat food that can digest - seriously. not too much meat, especially if it's not organic. plenty of fruit and veg, whole grains, etc.

you can eat random shit here and there if 90% of your diet is "healthy"

you don't have to stick to the exact proportions of fat/protein/carbs. don't sit around weighing shit out perfectly like an autist. try not to eat processed shit. finally, not everyone can eat the same food. i'll say it again: eat food you can fucking digest.

fuck vegans/vegetarians/meat fanatics.

t. Dr DietChan

Cannabilism is the most environmentaly beneficial diet.
All anons are invited to my place for BBQ :)

I was a vegetarian before. I enjoyed it and felt good. I didn't care about harming animals i just felt better, lighter. Veganism is hard cause it's hard to cut out cheese. No good replacement yet for that. Honestly I will eventually go back when I can.

but my life is more important to me, than yours and we r heterotrophs. Your argument extends to plants and is self-defeating

we have the rights to do so,and you so do too to go vegan

Good on you, mate. Cheese is a tough one indeed.

Yea it sucks when the link user posted from the WHO saying red meat was bad wont even definitively state red meat is bad with out saying bias and other such things couldnt be ruled out

Demostic animals are a huge strain on the climate, rainforests are destroyed to grow food for our food and cows for instance fart out ridiculous amounts of methane
eating some good steak once in a while won't doom the planet but you don't need meat in every meal

Vegan incels? lol
Find one. We get alllll the pussy

Not everything is morally good because you have the legal right to do so, as well as not everything is morally bad only because it is illegal.

>Bringing what's allowed into an ethical argument
>If I were allowed to beat children, I would do so, because it's my right. Just the same as it's the right of those who don't beat children.

legality =/= morality
you learn that in fucking high school lmao

Try baiting. As I said I am done with your idiocy and/or trolling.

I let the legal system decide for me what's morally good an not.

science advanced,yet not all results revealed to public useage (WWII with,radio and other millitary stuff that was added to civil life)
that's all 70 years of scientific advanvments yielded ?

Literally nothing about my post challenged your rights to eat meat. I'm not even a vegan anymore.

The reason you are defensive is because deep down, you recognize that eating meat is wrong and that you should stop doing it, but you have no intention to.

That's cool ingore the truth to push your narrative

They're rearing themselves like cattle. Round them up, butcher them and eat them. That way we'll be eating less animals?

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*ignore

You mean boi pussy, aka homosex.

>Damn they beat me in an argument again. I wish I could kill them... and maybe justify my meat eating ways in the meantime. Brilliant!

Imagine I'd science invented a hand held computing device that let you communicate almost instantly with someone around the world. Youd be able to call everyone faggots. That would be pretty neat wouldn't it.

I don’t understand how you can be so cruel. Every time I buy meat that’s not from a farm I’m happy I didn’t support loneliness and misery.
I’m just going to drink myself to sleep I guess.

So you would butcher all industry that rely on that?
I think you should offer credible alternatives for them,or they just go and starve?
Also some people couldn't afford that way of life.
Why do you believe that going all vegan could not be dangerous to your health?
What if some people have health conditions that made it impossible,or risky to do that.
You just seem to prove my point that they couldn't see it from other people perspective.

No serious scientist would ever make a statement that says he is 100% sure, particularly when it comes to cancer. That is just how science works. You can never rule these things out. The evidence is still pointing strongly in this direction.
Your argument is like the spaghetti monster. Only because you cannot 100% prove/disprove it does not make it correct.
Use your brain. Don't cling to the one point that leaves a door for your opinion. Look at the facts. It very much is clear that eating red meat causes cancer. There is no 100% certainty. For no medical science and for nothing in life.
Smoking is also not 100% linked to cancer but it is clear anyway that more smokers die of lung cancers than others.
Same goes for red meat and colon cancer.

Well yeah, I'm not trying to justify eating meat. It just tastes good as I'm sure vegans would?

Creme of our civilization,our best minds came up with a smart phone?
It makes me sad,if this is really the best we had.

Kek, as a published scientist (biochemist) we dont use language like "that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out." Unless we have to or the editor makes you. This is the sign of a weak or poor study trying to be used as evidence to push a narrative.

Isn't that what you are doing with the user?

>advanvments
Wrong. Science invented spellcheck too

Whataboutism

Read this from anons link posted here

>ad hominem
I won.

>novelty
nice reading comprehension
i said utility.
so by my logic my immediate family has more utility being alive than being food.
and the utility of unremarkable animals like cows and chicken is only food.

not him but percentage component of greenhouse gasses currently in the atmosphere multiplied by its ability to reflect back heat radiation/convert heat radioation to heat as a ratio of total global warming per year. or something like that iirc from highschool

by global warming its meant as ∆T

Chemistry and also biochemistry is different to medical science. You might as well say that you don't read about bias in physics. That is the nature of the subject you're studying. Some subjects have clear answers, medicine never has. Thats why it's always good practice to mention what you cannot rule out. But again that does not mean the evidence is flawed it just means a whole human being is a bit more complex than a Benzol group.
The analogy to smoking still stands. Just because you cannot rule out 100% that it actually another factor that links smokers to lung cancer does not make it likely that there is another factor, and it does not make the studies about this connection flawed.

That isnt a quote from a study it's from a trade association "published scientist"

Your dumb farm animal waifus will never become sentient and love you.

Why global warming is bad?
We will have more land suitable for living(antartica/cold regions)+gas and oil fields will be avaible for extraction.

And what exactly is the immidiate utility of monkeys and killer whales to you?

I'm not him, so no. I just had to point out your esl Paco

At the cost of losing all the land to desert that is very usable to us right now.
Fucking this guy.

Read the link dumbassanon. Not his misrepresentation of the quote

Look at any research paper from any major peer reviewed scientific journal and just try to find them using language like I had quoted in my last post. No real study says that and publishes. No publishes data with bias being their conclusion.

Well,what would happen,if demand would fall below a critical point,when no longer profitable/economical,or just bankcruptcy happens in that sector.
Do you think it wouldn't affect your vegan way of life negatively?

It was a quote from the link from an user trying to prove red meat was bad. Within that link they even say bias and random chance couldnt be ruled out

So I came back and see that you found another to troll. Good day for you. Mama is gonna be proud.

What about the sheep? The sheep seem to love me. They love me long time

>misrepresented quote
Kek,
"7. Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean exactly?
In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.

Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out."

Aren't you the biochemist? Do the strong mechanistic evidence should convince you. Ignore the other studies if you want.

People have lived in deserts for centuries

That is a strong statement but then they disqualify and weaken it by saying "...but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out."

yup most are hypocrits. they value methods of supporting a cause that gets them cool points more than support that actually gets things done.

>we cherry pick the data/results that suits us the most

>guise I'm the smartest person in the world, I have strong mechanistic evidence for it but other explanations for these observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) can not be ruled out

See how the second part weakens and disqualifies the first?

monkeys hmm well ohhh idk they are 90%+ genetically similar to humans and are evolutionary cousins to the being that became us 100k years ago studying how they behave and learn may give us clues as to how we became what we are today.

Killer whales have their own language and hunting strategies. They even teach each other shit. Killer whales can give us insights how brain structure and function correlate to intelligence they could also be trained and used to provide scientific marine data thats too hard or expensive for scientists to acquire.

I like how you didnt question jellyfish lmao

veganism is 100% a scam just look up ex vegan stories some of them have 6 digit medical bills

not only do vegans get WAY more animals killed, LITERALLY ALL of them develop serious medical problems after 4-8 years with out meat or eggs

once you under stand the importance of animal protein and fat it is quite clear veganism is a scam to dumb down society and ruin our immune system

humans have been eating meat for 400K+ years veganism is a 70year old ideology

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lol - motherfuckers still try talking after this cuz they think if they ignore it, their case stands, as long as they get to ramble on at some1 else

how do you even know theyre left wing? you just buy into societal bullshit like left and right when in reality the whole system is fucked including factory farming. which is why you, at the end of your post, have to try to rally people. because you need affirmation from society like a little bitch. stop eating animals fatty.

vegans get WAY more animals killed

according to a farmer i know he killed 2000 rabbits just last year to protect his plants and that doesnt include rodents/deer and insects that die to protect farm land

also veganism has been thoroughly debunked every ex vegan on the carnivore diet says is it the healthiest thieve ever been and the result speak for the self

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yeah but turkeys, ducks and chickens are dumb as shit dude. nobody is eating ravens

Whataboutism

Veganism is satanism. It promotes human suffering and humans are animals therefore vegans don't care about animals.
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Kill animals, drink their blood, eat raw meat!

Your body is biologically built to process raw meat easier than raw vegetables. Although humans are classified as omnivores, we lean more to the carnivorous side because we don’t need to put meat through any special process to derive nutrients unlike most vegetables that need to be cooked in order for us to break them down & get any benefit.

TL;DR: vegans are retarded.

funny how vegans never mention it will stop women menstrual cycle and give men erectile dysfunction

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Veganism is a mental disorder created by the detachment from life of the urban and suburban lifestyles.

There is no way to a aquire b12 without meat.
Your body needs b12.

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just don't go to extremes,and we will be somewhat fine