Friendly reminder:

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Friendly reminder:
"OP not being a faggot" is unrealistic, misses the point, is thematically inappropriate and is just dumb.

C a best
K a shit

Yeah but what if they were an evil person? Like what if you went back in time not to kill Hitler, but to seduce him and make him a better person and leader?

CARLOS!

>"starting a relationship with someone with the sole purpose of gaslighting and manipulating them into becoming a different person".
There's literally nothing wrong with that in and of itself. People change. If you open up someone to the possibility of doing things differently and they decide to do things differently, there's nothing wrong with that.

What's wrong is changing someone in a way that gets more people harmed and hurt. What's right is changing someone so they are a better person, of which what "better" is may depend on the culture and social mores therein.

fpbp

I fap to it, so it's fine

Nope, you can't regain purity. It's like I have glass of water then turn it on its side then telling you to put that water back.

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Best is still the fuck you I'm going to space end.

Lesser of two evils but you are still morally reprehensible.

Then I refill it with water. It ain't the same, but it is what you want.

Can't, that's not the right water.

You want water, I got you water. Drink it fag.

It's about the idea of people taking a woman's virginity, which is something that exists in real life and just isn't happening in the fictional version of the setting that exists in the books. It's not exactly what an actual fantasy is about. It's like, "Hey, if you have a nice little fetish fantasy about the fantasy of having sex with a succubus, you can give it another go with the girl who will do anything for you, whether she likes having sex with a succubus or having sex with a vampire or any of those other things the movie has in it." This isn't the kind of thing you can do with a movie like that.
The point of the game is about creating some drama, and doing it in a way that shows off how well the movie handles itself. If the story is going to tell you about a succubus, it should have a reason not to be the succubus.

There are four examples of good redeemed succubi though. One is a Paladin with a Solar boyfriend in a web enhancement, the other is a redeemed succubi in the Silver skeleton questline, also a paladin, the other is the Planar Ally of Wee Jas, and the last is our dear planescape girl.

Bar the Planar Ally of Wee Jas, all retain their subtypes, and actively resist their innate evil. Also- a fun ecological fact about D&D Succubi is that they have a breeding urge that takes over them at random to usually produce cambions and such- I think it was in planescape a quest that mentioned this occured.

What a shitty fucking analogy. Bitch I refill it with water, thus the container has new purpose.

But of course, you'll move the goalposts.

Nobody in a real relationship is the same person they were before it. Romantic relationships inherently change one or both persons.

The idea of "I want to be with someone who doesn't want to change me" shit is unrealistic because whether they want you to change or not you will simply because of the differences the relationship makes in your life. You're adding an entirely new set of thoughts, goals and desires to your life so of course once you start acting for the best of two people your shit changes.

You should be worried about unhealthy change. Absolutely. But that is all there is to worry about.

friendly reminder that the only good ending in catherine is vincent telling both girls to fuck off and then he goes off to space.

it's the only one where he seems genuinely the most happy.

>Also- a fun ecological fact about D&D Succubi is that they have a breeding urge that takes over them at random to usually produce cambions and such- I think it was in planescape a quest that mentioned this occured.
Hot if true.

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What about the trap route in the updated version?

i didn't play full body but unless they changed all of the endings i still stand by the "disregard women, go to space." option.

Says who?

>you can't regain purity
Who said purity was a requirement? You don't need to be pure to be good.

I might be remembering wrong, but i think the trap might actually be an alien, his brother definitely is, so close enough?

I said put that water back in, not get new water you cumbrains.

Yes you do. If you're a murderer then you're not pure, you're not good.
You're a harlot you're not pure you're not good.
If you don't like it then tough shit.

Not if you're on the receiving end. D&D Succubi post their first Demon Lord (now imprisoned in the dark pits or whatever that location was called) are more of a hellraiser Tease & never please sort- and going by Nameless one's talks of it, they're actually pretty bad in the bedroom Sex might start off fine, but there's always running the risk of your throat slashed- or her just starting off with foreplay and when she finds what you dislike, she dials that shit up to 10 until she kills you doing that and more. It's been a while since I've read the Demonomicon of Iggwilv's MalcanTHOT entry- but that's the jist of it- most are CE retard.

Now- if you're into murdering people elite style and aren't bothered about shagging a corpse at the morge- and doing fucked up Bohemian grove shit- then Orcus will shack you up with a succubus and she'll make you a greater vampire by energy drain- (allegedly- I've never found the article that confirms this- only the Lords of Darkness greater vampirism is a source on the subject)

Their original Demon Lord from 1e ran a "fuck then kill" cult- before she was imprisoned and released in a later adventure for 3.5. But you REALLY do not want anything to do with Demogogron's two roasties.

I once convinced an Erinyes to become true neutral to dodge the blood war. I basically said “good and evil and law and chaos are always at war, neutrals don’t have to fight”

>Local retard believes repentance is impossible, more news at 10

What about no, faggot? She may not be a literal semen demon, but Kat is a good and responsible girl.

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Well, redeeming a succubus is okay I guess, it's a noble thought, but it's even nobler to shackle her to a wall, break her legs, spay her like a cat, and use your broken, useless, sexless succubus to teach novice demon hunters what a live demon looks like when you lecture them on how to identify and fight creatures of darkness. Succubus are evil, she deserves such a fate anyway, and forgiving her of her sins would mean she doesn't meet a just end, as all evil creatures should.

>has the same views on women and sexuality as r9k
>but uses "cumbrain", the favorite buzzword of discord trannies
What a puzzling specimen

Accurate. The fundamental nature of a succubus is lustful corruption. It would be like trying to make dry water.

>Also- a fun ecological fact about D&D Succubi is that they have a breeding urge that takes over them at random to usually produce cambions and such

And if the urge ends up sticking you get the Tiefpocalypse.

>if the urge ends up sticking you get the Tiefpocalypse.
This is already in motion in 5th Edition if /tg/'s bait threads are to be believed.

>Food analogy
Fucking fatties

cumbrain is a term mostly used on Yea Forums and /fit/ to describe porn/masturbation addicts.

It is. Would you trust a convicted pedophile with babysitting your daughter because he said he was sorry?

It's still considered gaslighting regardless of the motive or whether it might be a good aligned action.

This partially makes sense, but there's something I can't put my finger on that makes me thing I disagree with you in a way I don't understand.
Repentance isn't impossible but the more the evil act is, the more I'm not gonna be convinced that you're reformed. I'd never let a pedo babysit my kids, but I'd probably work with a convicted felon as long as their track record as been improving. It's all a since of scale and personal judgment calls.

Not him, but this is a problem with convicted people in general. The whole idea behind the prison system is rehabilitation, that someone "does his time" and returns to society. But then they figure out that nobody wants to live near them and nobody wants to hire them. I remember reading a local news story once about how someone convicted of murder wanted to move back to his old neighborhood, which wasn't really appreciated because the next of kin of his victim still lived in that same neighborhood. Don't know how it ended. It's not really a prominent case, especially because it took place in a tiny West-European postage stamp sized country.

>shifts the blame to the brain board and the muscle board
very suspicious

>The whole idea behind the prison system is rehabilitation
No, it's punishment. They did an evil thing and asking for people to try and forgive them for it is just insensitive.

You're on some incel shit with this logic. I don't think it sounds as bad from your perspective as it reads from ours.

But more on topic with what we're talking about - fuck your stupid 'it's not the water originally in the cup' it doesn't have to be. That isn't how redemption of a person works anyway. Nobody just heals and comes out the other side of some twisted shit as the same kind of person they were originally. When your life falls apart you rebuild it and you'll find nobody every rebuilds with the same parts.

But honestly, this analogy barely works for another reason. We're not talking about a character like a fallen paladin being redeemed. That is a normal cup that spilled.

This is a demon. This is more like a chalice of blood. When you turn up and find an opening to talk this monster down you are the one causing the spill. Changing its nature. Then you repurpose it. This creature will never be a creature of the light. At best she'll simply stop being horrendously evil. Simply because at that point she is a creature acting pretty far outside of her own nature.

It's not like the arc doesn't work for a character, but it is certainly limited as fuck. These sorts of characters are better off not getting a happy ending because this endless combat versus their nature would be fairly miserable. Instead it makes more sense they'd sacrifice themselves to ensure the person who showed them a different world from their can succeed. For a demon that regrets it can't truly be good like the person it has decided to protect the only freedom from the cycle is destruction.

No but that doesn’t mean they haven’t repented. It’s really easy to lie so it’s a good principle to trust no one.

Not him but I actually agree with you. forgiving evil and letting it go unpunished is almost as evil as the act that you're forgiving. Everybody needs to be punished for every evil thing they're ever done. Even if the victim stopped caring and forgave the perpetrator, it still stands that he did evil, and the consequence for evil must happen. Justice isn't about whether or not the victim feels good or whether or not the perpetrator feels bad about it, it's about setting rules to outline what's evil land what isn't and making sure people get punished for doing stuff they're not supposed to.

Take this comic for instance. The main character is the victim of a crime (stealing, which is evil). He's okay with it and tries to rationalize this. But that doesn't change the fact the somebody out there is a bike thief, and bike thieves deserve to get punished. By forgiving the bike thief he's denying a person who committed an evil act the fate he deserves. It's no different than hiding a fugitive bike thief in your basement so the police can't find him. Forgiveness obstructs justice and prevents proper punishment, so it's almost as evil as the act it forgives.

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People who commit unjustified violent crimes have proved they cannot be trusted to exist in society, its unfair to ask any person to trust them ever again.

the big issue with redeemed succubi is that it's fucking lame. imagine doing something interesting with the concept of a reddemed demon and then you do a succubus so you can get your dick hard and whack off. it's lame.

>not redeeming all demons/devils you can
Lol, I bet you don’t main cleric.

Utilitarianism is ridiculous.

>it doesn't have to be
Yes it does. You cannot get new purity by pouring it into your cup, and you can't get your old purity back, maybe a few drops tops.
Once sullied you cannot be unsullied.

High school philosophy covers this, it's one of five things. Punishment, rehabilitation, segregation, a pursuit of "fair" exchange and something else. Basically you're both right, but I'm more in line with 's approach to it.

What if it is, if not justified, very understandable? Your typical crime of passion that is very circumstantial rather than a crime born of general character. I can imagine extreme situations that would drive me to violence, but I'd say I'm a very well adjusted and behaved member of society

Well maybe it would be considered gaschambering in this specific case.

(me)
>Basically you're both right, but I'm more in line with 's approach to it.
Just realised I didn't call "it" Justice in that sentence, but that's what I'm referring to. The concept of "justice"

>People who commit unjustified violent crimes have proved they cannot be trusted to exist in society, its unfair to ask any person to trust them ever again.

Then what is the point of actually having someone 'serve their time' and being released back to society, if there is no point when it's actually over?

'It was a crime of passion is like using being dunk as an excuse. A virtuous person would never do such a thing. It depends entirely on whether the circumstances made violence morally permissible.

>this is a good idea
>wait it involves something that could be considered traditionally sexually attractive?
>well now it's shit then innit
Words do not describe how much I despise faggots like you

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Imagine judging whether an action is good or bad based on intent rather than whether or not you actually did something good or bad. It doesn't matter whether you meant for the bad thing to happen or not. It did and you have to take responsibility for it.

It really isn’t, it is lazy and stupid. At least a redeemed human wasn’t actively evil for no reason.

>but i think the trap might actually be an alien
if they do another game are we gonna go into persona territory where vincent starts fucking robots, goddesses and whatever the fuck the velvet room attendants are?

I'd just like to point out the sheer MAGNITUDE of her tits now that she's had four kidd

Wio mentioned intent?

Dumb Christmas Cake

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It’s lame because it exists to get your rocks off, as opposed to being an interesting story element.

based

Courts can get it wrong and unjustly executing people is much worse than paying a small amount of money to keep people in prison.

Utilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, which defines the morality of an action based upon its results. The other form of morality is deontology, or judging an action based on whether the action "itself" is good or bad, regardless of its outcome. If you shit on utilitarianism and you don't realize you're implicitly taking the deontological position, then you're a retarded faggot who needs to study philosophy before trying to talk shit about it.

Anybody who commits violence on others for illegitimate reasons deserves to die but imprisonment avoids the risk of illegitimate execution.

>It depends entirely on whether the circumstances made violence morally permissible.
Then what circumstances do make it permissible in your mind?

I read a story about a father murdering a paedophile caught in the act, to put it euphemistically, in a country that doesn't consider the use of lethal force permissible to stop a criminal act. I didn't keep up to date with the story, but that man may have been charged with murder thanks to his understandable rage. He may be a criminal because of his passion but I'd consider him "virtuous" by my moral code.

Utilitarianism is bad because it permits horrifically immoral acts for 'the greater good' and would happily deprive people of rights for their own 'benefit'. Its an ideology that encourages authoritarianism.

Are you just perfectly oblivious

Violence is always evil, end of discussion.

Using violence to protect yourself or others from unjustified assault is always 100% justified. The law is irrelevant to morality, many governments that hate their citizens restrict the right to self defense. Anybody convicted for any form of self defense is not guilty of any wrongdoing.

killing someone in the act of raping a child is easily justifiable, especially if they attempt violence against the person who caught them.

Incel logic. This no turning back shit isn't the problem you're making it out to be. The point isn't about going back to what you were originally because you can't (just like you said), the point is repairing and rebuilding what you are now into something better.

Redemption arcs aren't about what you're saying. You're glossing over shit.

Friendly reminder:
SJWs like OP just hate fun.

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>you can't regain purity.

So how do you get to Heaven if you're born with sin?

Its fine. Shit like OP are just morons crying into a void anyway.

refusing protect others is moral cowardice. you have a duty to use any level of violence necessary to protect your friends and family from attack at the very least.

>end of discussion.
Agreed, we'd never move beyond our fundamental positions.

Violence is a perfectly good method for resolving conflict, but should really be tempered to promote social order (police and military being the obvious applications)

Agreed, my point is that he may be a criminal but one that we can all understand and accept back into civilian life. He's not like a serial killer or a warlord

Agreed, but an absolute pacifist will obviously disagree with you.

>t. angry incel mad at slutty cum dumpsters becoming wholesome housewives

This is why the Nazis were the good guys. The Allies couldn't defeat them in debate so they had to resort to shooting them. Since the Allies used violence, they were evil.

According to Lombroso, the criminal of passion, unlike the habitual criminal, is motivated by an excess of social feeling rather than the anti-social feeling present in the typical criminal; society revenges itself against the criminal of passion because it must, or else it would not be society, but the criminal of passion can easily be rehabilitated, if they even need it at all.

Side note: Lombroso had no idea what he was doing but was occasionally correct

As long as the pacifist accepts I can never truly trust them.

Emcel logic. Thinking that you can become a better person if you only believe hard enough. The simple truth is this: A ho will always be a ho. You find variations of this particular wisdom in every language and culture.

t. angry emcel actually believing in the ''prostitute with a heart of gold''-shtick and that eventual prince charming will come for her used-up roast despite having younger and fresher and more feminine women at his disposal.

>emcel
That's a new one, please bring me up to speed bro

Found the virgin who'll never have the privilege to be able to choose between women. Incels like you are retards.

Succubi who have been "redeemed" are just playing the long game, and also trying to spice up their millenia long thot career with a few decades of wholesomeness.

>emcel
I had to google that one

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It's no more 'unrealistic' than having a succubus exist in the first place. It doesn't inherently miss 'the point', because 'the point' is decided by the people playing the game. The same applies to the theme of the game. That too is defined by the people running/playing in said campaign.

Sounds like the majority of the planet to me.

Okay captain save-a-ho, you keep playing your shitty games about brainwashing demons with your dick.

Correct, feminism has corrupted our society

>no you don't get it, I'm not a slut, I'm an encel
That's pretty clever of them actually, it'll help them rope in thirsty betas more effectively in the future

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Why are you so assmad over who his dick brainwashes in his fantasy game about wizards and dragons?

Because wizards and dragons are cool and your dick isn't. Also because it poisons our actual society with the cancerous meme that promescuity is no big deal.

succubi are metaphors for women. Giving up on redeeming them suggests giving up on civilizing women, which is wrong. The project of civilization is worthwhile and it would be good for women to join it.

>"Redeeming the succubus" is unrealistic
*ANGRY PALADIN NOISES*
No one is beyond redemption

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>REEEEEEEE he's having the wrong fun!

>"Redeeming the succubus" is unrealistic
Except we have gotten official paladin succubus. Does no one remember Eludecia?

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Honestly, I'd pity how pathetic your life view is if I didn't think it would be wasted on someone like you. Instead, I'm just disappointed that humanity in general can produce people like you.

Best ending is the one where you go to space

>trying to fuck a girl on the internet
that's like trying to eat the food you see on tv. you have food in your house. you can't eat the food on tv the show was probably filmed months ago the food is gone it's just a picture.

>implying Hitler was evil
>implying he was a bad leader
>implying he was a bad person

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>he fell for the meme

A "redeemable" succubus is not a succubus, because such a creature feeds on sexual energy and vitality. They can't be redeemed any more than a vampire can just stop the craving for blood, without which they effectively die (or go into slumber depending on the fiction). And a succubus presumably requires more energy than a single human person can provide, so it's rather senseless to expect one to essentially go anorexic and/or not kill their "redeemer".

The concept of a succubus which can be turned into something else is little other than watering down the concept just so you can have a generic demon chick waifu with little horns, wings and tail. Meh.

If you volountarly killed someone you shouldn't get out of prison.
Or if you raped someone and proof was undeniable

What about succubus is realistic?

Emotional celebate. It's essentially the "no u" of the 'cel insults.

As a woman, I feel the idea of redemption just strips people of agency. A succubus is fundamentally a predator, you can't get a predator to stop enjoying the taste of meat.

The idea that you can MAKE a demoness an honest woman is kind of offensive. Corruption is different, because women have wanted the sexy and evil forever. There's a freedom in CHOOSING to fall off the wagon.

Also, one thing people never think about is all the sex she had before. This is a creature that specializes in emotional manipulation and has fucked nearly everything. It would make more sense if she was faking redemption to really, really fuck you over at the worst possible moment.

I also emphasize the 'all the sex' bit. My Blackguard just had an orgy with cultists. No generic male protagonist hoping for a waifu is going to better that. And yet they get pissy when I point out that previous experiences were objectively more pleasureable.

>soak water with sponge
>squeeze water back into glass
Your analogy sucks.

Except the water is filthy now.

>Kindess is just a way of getting into somebody's pants.

You are projecting. I will forgoe the incel/emcel insult for now. It wouldn't matter what I say. You are a nothing person, a nowhere man.

>As a woman,
You had no reason to add this. You having a cunt doesn't make your point any more or less meaningful than being some random chucklefuck.

Oh God, fuck you. That's just horrible. It's just a fucking horrible and shallow way to think, woman or not.

You are just mad because he is right.

I was asked for the water to be returned to the cup, not to make it as pristine as before. If need be I can get a filter to do so though.

Except it does, because a genuine woman's input helps put things in perspective.

You guys know you legitimately sound like cult members right?

You know the drill.

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So most of the water is gone now? And what remains is murkier than before?

Watch those goalposts move.

>leftist calls other people cultmembers

user, I have bad news for you.

>the sponge represents the cocks of other men
LOL

>As a tranny I feel I'm qualified to speak for real women
ftfy

>genuine woman
>woman

I mean, I get what the metaphor is. It's like virginity, it's not coming back after it's gone. We can dance around it, but the point is you can't unmurder someone. You can't return to a state of innocence and purity.

That's not what was asked and you know it. Next time ask for the water to be returned exactly the same as it started rather than change things when someone figures out a simple solution to your problem.

You're that Chinese girl from that Discord game, right? The one where you decided to keep working for the villain at the end?

Oh no. It's too late. These people have all been /pol/iticized. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into /pol/acks. This entire thread must be purged.

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You're kind of stretching the metaphor to worthlessness here.

>Except it does
Except it doesn't because this situation doesn't have to just apply to females. You can swap out a succubus for an incubus and get the same situation.

The left cant meme

>You guys know you legitimately sound like cult members right?
Sounds like you havent given up your "whiteness" as your original sin, why wont you give up your privilege you racist? Only when you give up your privilege to someone darker/gayer/trans/etc can you finally be absolved of your sins.

Thats a fucking cult.

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No one ever wants to redeem the incubus, though.

>do thing
>ok I did thing
>NO THATS NOT THE SAME BECAUSE THING ISNT THE SAME
>you said do thing, I did thing
>ITS NOT RIGHT BECAUSE REASONS
Be specific or be prepared to get djinn tier responses.

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>simple solution to your problem
Mop up the water on the floor because it's dangerous just leaving it there, pour some new water, maybe in a new glass

My argument is that the opposite is super fucking depressing. If you did all that and she laughed in your face, stole all your money and mocked your inadequate sexual performance, that's just a fucking downer isn't it.

Literally only incels care about virginity and only because a virgin is less likely to realize how goddamn terrible you are in bed. Do you run "new players only" games too because you don't want to play with people who've had other groups before?

Says you. The cock of righteousness knows no gender.

...

What are incubi like, anyway? Calvin Klein underwear models with batwings? Sephiroth, but even more sexually threatening?

> itt roastie on the cock carousel

Only a few chick who eventually realize it's futile and guys pretending to be flamboyantly gay to make up for a personality, see:

I'd have no problem with the redeeming of Succubi weren't as prevalent as the redemption of any other race. Why doesn't anyone give a go at redeeming a Baatezu or Imp? These horndog paladins only bother to try redeeming Succubi because they want something exotic and beautiful to stick their dick into, not because they give a rat's ass about actually redeeming beings that were thought to have long ago been forever lost to evil and impossible or unworthy to return to the Light.

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All I see is an incel thinking he could get some pussy on the Internet instead of getting it in real life.

Yes.

>The idea that you can MAKE a demoness an honest woman is kind of offensive.
Good. If a cunt is offended, we're on the right path. You'll be dragged back to the light in chains if need be.

>guys pretending to be flamboyantly gay to make up for a personality, s
Nice projection

It's extra spicy because they're banking on "being the guy that finally wins her over", they've forsaken the pussy(and complicitly accepting she's just gonna run through a mile of cock anyway) because they're chasing for the big prize.
It's like self-aware but not really double layered beta orbiting.

>Why doesn't anyone give a go at redeeming a Baatezu or Imp?
Does the Baatezu or Imp try seducing you before killing you? No. They just go straight to the killing. Seducing requires you to at least have some interest in your target. A creature cant be redeemed if it doesnt want to be redeemed. Succubus are prime targets for redemption because Succubi have to at least show some interest and care in you before they can attempt to steal your soul. If a creature can so compassion, even in the slightest, then it can be redeemed by nurturing that part of the succubus' nature.

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Looks like the janitor donates his hotpockets to twitchwhores and now he's mad

>Eludecia

I will never understand you fucking purity fetishists.

You pathologize sex as some kind of dirty awful taint on one hand while semi-religiously elevating the virginity women up to this untouchable inhuman pedestal on the other.

Why? What do you get out of it? It's certainly not because it makes you happy, that much is fucking obvious, so why wallow in such unhealthy obsessions?

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Heh whats that from?

>reports posts
>tries to act not-mad

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Roasties getting toastie

Imagine a man perfectly tailored to your tastes regardless of previous sexual orientation with the kind of charisma and confidence that can practically hypnotize you on the spot and the patience to wear you down if it doesn't. Now imagine that this man also has infernal powers to make his suggestion all the more potent and his appearance all the more breathtaking the longer you stay near him. It's the same threat of a succubus but with a dick.

>It's the same threat of a succubus but with a dick.
>succubi without dicks

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>wanting people to not act like a fucking skank is now a 'purity fetish'
Where the fuck did you grow up, LA? Is the concept of someone being in a exclusive relationship so alien that it boggles your mind? Are you such a cuck that you honestly cant understand that people dont want to share lovers with dozens of other men while you are in a relationship?

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Your argument presupposes that redemption is impossible, at least for succubi in specific. And if that's how you like your settings, go all the way.

But if a creature has intellect comparable to a human, is it not reasonable to assume that they have free will too? A Paladin might well come to believe that, but that always-evil creatures like succubi or crow have been denied the choice due to their background.

Then it would moral to give them the choice - assuming doing doesn't harm others of course. It is then up to them to take it.
Redemption is not something you are given by another person, it is something you have to earn with your own actions.

Incubi / succubi distinction is uneccesary. It should just appear in the form you desire most. I believe there is material related to this produced in Japan.

Keep doing it, someone will think it's quirky eventually

>Is the concept of someone being in a exclusive relationship so alien that it boggles your mind? Are you such a cuck that you honestly cant understand that people dont want to share lovers with dozens of other men while you are in a relationship?
Not the same user but it's the "eww she's not a virgin she's damaged goods" bullshit that's the problem. Literally nobody gives a fuck about monogamy vs polyamory but you.

The future of civilization depends on it.

>He's a robot
>On /r9k/
>That constantly feels sorry for himself all day
>He does it for free
>He takes the sexual activity of others and his lack of sexual activity "very seriously"
>He does it because everyone in the real world is tired of dealing with his bullshit.
>He disagrees with advice he doesn't like because it would require an actual effort to change who he is
>He talks shit about Chad because he wants to be as slutty and degenerate as the men that he secretly idolizes.
>He will never be accepted or fit in wherever he goes
>He will always bring negativity and pessimism wherever he goes
>He will never lose his virginity unless he pays for it in either money or pity
>He will never be able to cook anything besides his microwavable hotpockets
>He will never have loving girlfriend
>He will never have friends that like him for him

go back to your containment board.

A lot of people do and should.

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>somehow I believe my refusal to have sex with a non-virgin woman should deeply sadden them as I'm high quality partner material

If you're monogamous and she's not then what the fuck ever, just find someone else. Do you also get irrationally assblasted about lesbians for not meeting your fuckability standards?

>tying to isolate the target to make his opinions look fringe and irrational
Always weasel words and disingenuous tactics with these guys

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Justice is a means, not an end

Keep doing that user it'll be funny eventually.

>See something you want
>Immediately invent flimsy reason why you cannot have it
>Project this reason onto everything forever

Id rather not. What's the point if she is not a slut.

Also i have also found the concept of redeeming a succubus hilariousy stupid
It would be like weening a lion off meat or trying to teach an 1000 year old vampire a lesson in morality.

>Its a "leftists base their self worth on their ability to get sex and project this onto everyone else" episode
My favorite!

The future of civilization depends on the end of promiscuity

>the guy who pretends to be gay to look quirky writes extensive greentext also trying to look quirky
>neither tactic works
>this frustrates him
LOL

>"eww she's not a virgin she's damaged goods" bullshit that's the problem.
Thats not at all being argued, as most people have been in multiple relationships before marriage nowadays. Or fairly often are divorced and getting married again. Not uncommon to see women have 2-3 marriages. The argument is whether or not you can get a party girl to stop being a party girl of their own volition.
>Literally nobody gives a fuck about monogamy vs polyamory but you.
There is a reason why polyamory relationships falls apart, because of jealousy, poor communication or other issues (like STD's). Not to mention it fucks over the children, as they dont have stable parental figures.

Fucking communist think they can redistribute the means of reproduction.

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"Redeeming" a succubus is a stupid idea, but simply forcing it to act properly would be fun

Succubi having a close proximity with a human without immediately attacking is a valid point for Succubi redemption being more possible than others, but I can't imagine any half-decent DM would not have the Succubi actually care about you as anything but prey to be harvested and fed from. Succubi should not be more human than other demons just because they take a human form and should be just as ruthless and merciless, if not more cunning, than your common demon. I just wish Succubi weren't the ONLY ones ever redeemed, like the Warlock's summoned Imp or the big demon that's been guarding your cage on the 7th level in hell. It just reeks of purely thinking with one's dick and completely ignoring demonic lore to me as it is.

>Its a "leftists base their self worth on their tolerance to women's promiscuity, despite it not getting them any tail" episode
ftfy

Not a purity fag exactly (I don't think a hymen necessarily detracts from the negative aspects of femininity), but...

>You pathologize sex as some kind of dirty awful taint on one hand while semi-religiously elevating the virginity women up to this untouchable inhuman pedestal on the other.
They consider the latter to be in a state of maximal virtue and sex is something that brings ruination to that good, that seems like a consistent standard to live by. Sex with one person in a lasting relationship brings the least 'corruption' while maintaining individual and group needs.

>It's certainly not because it makes you happy, that much is fucking obvious, so why wallow in such unhealthy obsessions?
People often focus on things they regard as bad or societal-ills, surely it's no different to any other issue you or I might focus on. I myself tend to focus my ire towards hypocrites and inconsistent people, believing these qualities are the cause of many social problems

Well that is pretty fucked up.

Just have her be a slut for one person obviously.

>Fucking communist think they can redistribute the means of reproduction.
You're talking to a monogamous commie, user. Literally nobody gives a fuck about monogamy vs polyamory but you.

Or like taking one of the top predators on the planet and turning it into a cute little fluff ball... Oh wait.

Not him, I do
Also kill yourself, you commie faggot. I bet you don't even have a job

>still tying to isolate the target to make his opinions look fringe and irrational
>by the way I'm a suburban commie

>literally admitting to being retarded.

Okay, but you are disregarding my point. A succubus COULD just immediately attack you and attempt to steal your soul, BUT THEY DONT. They arent just base emotions, they can think and rationalize. They choose their target (and see them as a target) for sure, but they dont just instantly attack you. They get to know you, seduce you, communicate with you, show you attention. They peacefully interact with you.

Most other demons don't try to peacefully interact with someone. Either they have to be compelled/imprisoned and forced to interact with you peacefully. Succubi interact with you peacefully first before trying to take your soul. Meaning that the Succubus is not only aware of what is 'good' or 'bad' in society, but they know how to work around the social moors of the culture they interact. Instead of violently attacking anyone and everything, they peacefully interact with the population. This shows that they aren't controlled solely by their base desires and are capable of at least understanding and want 'good' can be.

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Doesn't this all entirely depend on what the settings version of a succubus/demon is and also how said setting woulddefine something like corruption?

I'd never let you seize my boss' well-earned wealth. I'd side with the bourgeoisie against you.

I mean a succubus is probably pretty nasty bitchy and slightly evil but I could see one coming to like or care about someone.

Why don't you move to China or Venezuela?

>the play-pretend bolshevik is a whiteknight

He's a lazy suburban upper middle class white boy who doesnt want to give up his creature comforts but also wants free stuff with out having to work.

I mean lefties have no idea what nuance is so it fits, probably plays a lawful stupid Paladin.

A paladin who kills demons without consideration or the chance of redemption is just playing Goblin Slayer with higher priority targets, and doesn't deserve to be a paladin.
A paladin who redeems a demon just to have sex with it later is a fucking disgrace and should be excommunicated as well.
Redeeming a demon shouldn't be about a pretty girl and getting laid, it should be about not only giving somebody who has probably never had the chance of being a better person, and reaffirming that every person is capable of redeption, regardless of their sin. If you are using your position of redeemer in order to get pussy, you are taking advantage of them and are no better than a pedophile. Only cowards and 40k HFY fags think that presenting an olive branch to any of your foes is a sign of weakness. If they take your offer, it means that there is still hope for them, that even if they are planning to betray you, they are smart enough to consider their position, and possibly how they can better themselves. There must ALWAYS be hope. If they refuse it, then you should have no shame in killing them, but never should you allow yourself to hate them for rebuking you. They made their choice, and you have to do what you must, but falling to hate makes you nothing more than a remorseless killer in shining armor.

You are all fucking disgraceful and I hope none of you actually play Paladins, ever.

Then you get the wall after all. Just maybe not in the way you intended.

Whiteknighting has never EVER gotten anyone laid.
And different as they are, both Chad and Virgin agree that whores are not marriage material.

The Answer is simple. Human beings associate virtue with appearance. If someone looks healthy, beautiful and has a charismatic personality and is someone you could be seduced by, you automatically attribute virtue to them.

Humans are visual creatures and since ancient times ugly and malformed were shunned as they were stereotypically twisted from outside as they were inside and those who lived healthy, wholesome lives would not suffer such afflictions and would be more beautiful and well adjusted as a result.

If you believe as ancient Greeks did, in that beauty and virtue go hand in hand, you can tell at a single glance if there's anything worth redeeming in a demonic creature.

Of course, the entire point of a succubus looking like "hey, maybe she isn't so bad" is so she can deceive and corrupt you in turn. Holy man who attempts to redeem a succubus should end up falling in short order as the creature manipulates him to her own ends if he doesn't break free from her spell and see her for the wicked creature made of sin to lead men to ruin.

this is the man who thinks Handmaid's Tale is a cautionary tale

Yeah not being a communist automatically makes you a trump supporter right? Those are the two political posutions.

>this is your brain on communism

Liberals get the wall too.

How much do you wanna bet he buys into "toxic masculinity" and "checking your priviledge"?

>dude gimme free stuff lmao

That's where I take offense. Succubi shouldn't actually care about the people they prey on as people, only as foolish sources for energy to eventually be discarded. They definitely should not peacefully interact with society even if they can create a facade as though they're doing just that, because their ultimate goal should be to act as a parasite to their "hosts" they derive energy from before moving to the next one. They should, in almost all cases, be able to understand social norms and human morality without ever once wanting to be "good".

I'm not disregarding your points, merely the notion that a Succubi would ever truly want to be "good" any more than other demon, even with their intelligence, cunning, and less obviously hostile relationship with humans.

Friendly reminder:
nobody cares what you don't like or don't think is "realistic" about a fucking game with actual goddamned demons and sorcery and deities walking around that you can strike up a convo about their afterlife benefits with.

Demons aren't people you fucking retard.

Lol the problem is this faggot (cuck robbery victim) is coping by rationalizing an abstract quantity, "happiness", as a quantifiable measurement that only exists as a global graph of points on two axes.

What he doesn't understand is that his cope is enabling the robber nigger (its a black guy come on) to rob other people's bicycles and spread more misery about.

Says the cuckolded commie retard who doesn't even own a gun

I mean, here's the thing; as with all living things, succubi need sustenance to survive, yeah?

I'm usually down for sources that find a way to please the succubus with alternative means than sleeping around all the time, i.e. receiving gratification from motherhood, her lover being enchanted to be able to keep up with her sexual urges, etc etc

As long as there's some reason for her to stick around, I see no reason for her not to.

If a succubus becomes head of a high-class brothel and keeps all of the top-shelf product/clients to herself, she could theoretically settle down in society and not cause trouble while still fulfilling her own urges/nature.

But is it possible to brainwash slut into a waifu?

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>I'm not disregarding your points, merely the notion that a Succubi would ever truly want to be "good" any more than other demon, even with their intelligence, cunning, and less obviously hostile relationship with humans.

Then that denies that free will exists, and denies the fact that Succubi can rationalize the world and their interactions with mortals. A Succubus could for all intents and purposes kill/rape/pillage if they wanted to, but when interacting with mortals they dont. They dont because they know they can get more souls/energy/etc if they infiltrate instead of pillaging. They choose their targets and seduce them, which means they have to interact and communicate with them. Which means they have the potential to go against their nature, because instead of just outright killing them, they talk and interact with their mark before using them. Its not beyond the possibility for a succubus to rationalize and understand that they can get more sustenance over a long period of time from a single target instead of doing the "pump and dump". You quickly run out of men and people notice pretty quickly when all the single men all end up dying.

Its not impossible for a succubus to rationalize herself into a relationship, and possibly loving or at least caring for her partner. Compare that to every other demon or infernal that just wants to kill and pillage mortals. The Succubus, BY HER VERY NATURE, opposes what her instincts tell her to do. Which means if she can go against her instincts, it means that she can possibly be redeemed. No other demons or infernals go against their base instincts to interact with mortals.

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You know commies own guns, right? It's liberals who don't. Gotta shoot kulaks and class traitors after you get them up against the wall or it's all pointless.

Demons don't have free will. They are Evil.

Western commies do not own guns. They are just liberals who larp as revolutionaries, despite being utterly incapable of any violence not permitted by the state they're supposed to be in conflict with.

Fake pregnancy test

>int above 2
>no free will
Get a load of this guy.

Aren't you supposed to be whining about milkshakes like a complete faggot?

I will never understand orbiters like you.

No matter what criticism or negative think someone says about women you show up and start calling them names, as if whiteknighting for them on the internet will make you a better person or one of them will reward you with the attention you crave.

Why? What do you get out of it? It's certainly not because it makes you happy, that much is fucking obvious, so why wallow in such unhealthy obsessions?

Then why ever not stop doing evil then if there is no redemption? Lol you are damned anyways, might as well start raping and pillaging even harder on a bigger scale from now on

I thought you had guns, not icecream

>s-s-stop bullying me already, I said I was sorry
lol what a fag

Why not both? Milkshake you, then if you don't take the hint, up against the wall and shoot you.

>Literally nobody gives a fuck about monogamy vs polyamory but you.
If this was the case Emcels crying about not finding a man wouldnt be a thing.

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A Succubi receives her energy/power from sex. Depending on the setting or module, she might get it from stealing a man's soul or "energy" through sex, through their semen, or what have you. It's not very well defined, but generally it's by nature manipulative and wicked, and often does not and should not end well for the man having sex with a Succubus, even if it can't kill him. A man should not be able to have sex with a demon, however attractive, that's intended to feed off sex without dire repercussions.

A Succubi being able to substitute sex by receiving her energy/power from the gratifications of motherhood and raising children (a positive and generally "pure" sort of high in most cultures) is frankly so jarringly inappropriate for the themes and concept of a Succubus it's too ridiculously anime-like and psuedo-sweet to stomache as anything more than a hypothetical joke. A succubus should be, at least initially, by nature predatorial and harmful to its prey.

I didn't say you couldn't, I said you don't. You're an unarmed, dickless coward, who wants free shit but can't even nut up and take it. Even niggers can manage that much.

(you)

Am I wrong? Are you armed?

The problem is that very theme.
Medieval times have passed.
Sex isn't viewed as inherently sinful anymore so a sex demon is unlikely to work.

Sjw? He seemed more like a bitter incel who thinks party girls can't ever realize that their actions might be wrong and can try to become a more morally upright person instead. He's the one with the shitty water cup analogy right?

>that tweet
>that article
youtu.be/-gO-d5cL_YY

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>SJW defends another SJW

You aint tricking anyone,whiteknight.

Purity and goodness aren't mutually inclusive.

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Then I guess there is no point to life anyways because you can't ever improve you bitter incel. If so why haven't you killed yourself yet?(don't actually kill yourself I am just pointing out the hole in your logic)

"Thou canst turneth a harlot into thine homekeeper."

In all seriousness, turning a succubus makes literally no sense. They literally eat life/sex energy.

>STILL defending the sponge method

Yes.

Righties have no right to say that either you know.

Purity as a practical concept doesn't exist.
At a certain point, you will always hit an event horizon where it stops mattering what you did in the past, since the present you is no longer connected to the past you.
To believe that your existence is continuous, irreversibly connected to your past deeds and circumstances is to deceive yourself.
It doesn't matter whether I erase your identity instantly and replace it with a """""""pure""""""" one, or if I do it gradually bit by bit.

How so?

Kalashnikov.

Sure they are. They aren't humans, but they're still people. Just like how in fantasy settings elves and dwarves aren't human but are still considered people. You could argue that they're generally evil people, but that just makes them an evil person. Humans can also be evil, but they don't stop being people just because they're evil, they just become people who also happen to be evil.

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Stop pretending to be a centrist, nobody ever buys it

Why are memes so important in politics user? These are serious issues. The same old tired jokes has no place when dealing with important problems that affect us all.
More related to table top gaming, why does everyone feel the need to make corny quips these days. I understand that humor can make players feel more refreshed but they keep on doing it so often that it cuts off actual dramatic moments

I mean humans are perfectly capable of liking animals, some people keep pigs and chickens as pets but they still eta them, and a succubus doesn't even need to kill the human she fucks.

>can't meme
>let's stop memeing guys, it's for the best
Always the same

Fucking faggot mods.

Gonna make the thread again after lunch LOL

That's a manufacturer, not a gun, retard

Yea Forumstards fuck off.

Do it mods are trash

Can both sides just agree that mods should be lined up against a wall and shot?

>moving this to Yea Forums

>married twice
>y-y-you bitter incel!

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This is sour grapes, the post.

do it, nazimod is a faggot who does it fore free anyway

>jarringly inappropriate to the themes and concept of a Succubus

I mean, isn't that sort of the point, my dude? Antipaladins exist because paladins fall, something that's completely against the concept of a paladin.
Fallen angels exist because angels, these perfect creations, go completely against their conceptual nature and are cast down for it.

Redeeming a succubus is just the same thing in reverse; convincing an otherwise heartless monster to rise above its own base desires and not be driven entirely by their nature.

yo what's the source on this gif? i want to consume whatever media that is

You'll lose. Simple as