Most my my friends turned into those reddit teir steven universe fans who i HATE. How do i cut them out of my life?

K

Stop talking to them? I mean, it isn't difficult to cut someone out of your life. Just be done with them. The end.

>stop talking to people who disagree with you

This is what’s wrong with this country

It’s hard to want to talk to people who don’t think I should have rights. Or y’all to people who believe lies with no evidence and don’t want to back up their opinions but want you to prove you’re right instead. Fuck em

This. The "far-right" hasn't actually done anything.

I love how this graph is completely one sided in their own fictitious point of view of Right Vs. Left.

LMAO What a good laugh.

They couldn't even complete the Pyramid with a Fifth Level. LMAO... Oh yea that Evil Prager U.

Bad trolls

whoever made that infographic doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.

>fiction
Oh user. How deep are you?

Prager u is a sham my man

Sure are a lot of indoctrinated alt right posters in here. Willing to defend anything they were taught to love without logic

Not trolling at all son

No that's Progressives

Then you’re ignorant

It’s not too late for you to get out and turn your life around

According to the Graph Level 3.

Oh really? Which side hits people with bike locks? Which side shuts down speakers they disagree with? Which side controls big tech and social media and actively censors Conservatives?

LMAO... Oh do please tell. Where did they touch you little user.

Maybe some Beau of the Fifth can save you all

You will never pass, Tranny.

All petty compared to shooters and people who like to run their car into a crowd. Keep believing the propaganda if you want but you can get out user. You can

I'm waiting for
>>B-BUT CHARLESTON

Oof that far huh? You actually believe the daily stormer?
Still, it’s not the end. You can come back from there

Are you ok? Just look it up. They are as legit as Trump University
Have you ever given a video a watch? Not as a mindless consumer of their content but actually listen. It’s all manipulation tactics

Yeah, those are nutjobs, but isolated incidents, and not relegated to the Right. Your side has the entire mainstream media behind you and you're a bunch of fascists.

Cool
You can still have friends and a family and a life partner. You just have to turn around from this craziness user

you fucks do realize that all these "revolutionary" groups are just fed honeypots right? at best, you get imprisoned for terrorism and at worst you get sheepdipped into being an expendable operative.
right-wing radicalization is a psyop, they're trying to make young men blow shit up so they can shove more tyrannical bullshit on the American (and global) public.

>>I disagree with them so I'm going to discredit their organization

They were apart of alt right rallies my dude. You can’t ignore facts cause you don’t like them. There sure are a lot of isolated incidents of alt right crazy lone wolves amiright? But oh no the antifa threw a milkshake!
I don’t watch mainstream media and neither should you. Get it from the source. Watch the videos of the president talking, watch the hearings, but don’t let someone regurgitate the info for you. You’ve been sucked in by the equivalent of state tv if you watch Fox

I disagree with them and watched them anyway to see what they were about. You can hate something blindly, that makes you an idiot. Prager U is propaganda my man

>You’ve been sucked in by the equivalent of state tv if you watch Fox
not him but the same could be said of MSNBC/CNN.
mainstream media is a fucking spook, its all mockingbird shit.

>get new friends
>ghost old friends
>???
>profit

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Exactly. At least those don’t have the lie rate that fox has but cnn and msnbc are bad too. You should be gathering most of that info yourself

Oh yea, none of that believing in lies and ignoring evidence on the other side. You sure have conservatives nailed.
Also you talking about conservatives and no rights? These people only care about like 5 rights for EVERYONE and want to be left the fuck alone on every other matter. Liberals ruined that shit with their "some people should have more rights than others" talk. Obviously you gonna have some pushback

Seriously. Watch some beau of the fifth column and came back and tell me how great prager u is again

>Yeah, those are nutjobs, but isolated incidents
the exact thing you mock others for saying every single time a jihadist kills people

>At least those don’t have the lie rate that fox has
Statement pulled completely out of ass ofcourse.
MSNBC has lost their minds as much as Fox has

No one who is a liberal believes that anyone deserves more rights than any other. Stop drinking your own alt right propaganda. If you disagree with them, fine. But don’t make up reasons to hate them

>SJW Progressive Marxist Liberals
>marxist liberals
>communist capitalists

>>but oh no Antifa threw a milkshake
Theyve done a shit ton worse. For example, beating a journalist and throwing wet cement on him, resulting in chemical burns. Or attacking people because they were wearing a certain hat. Or the shooting in Dayton. Stop defending terrorists.

How are they propoganda

by now it's pretty much exclusively nazis or sargonites (read: dishonest almost-nazis) that use it, so that's fair i'd say

Lost their minds sure but fox will go along with the presidents most obvious of lies just to support him. It’s a bad look. To have blind faith in him like a religion. Fox has a very high lie record

Wat

The ones at the top are all controlled by jews

>>dishonest almost nazis
Fuck you're retarded

>Or the shooting in Dayton
the dayton shooter was an incel and the shooting was not motivated by politics
stop watching Faux News

Noone who is conservative believes someone should have NO rights. Stop drinking your commie propaganda.

radicalization my ass

100 actually far right people? out of 320,000,000?

...are you delusional?

and nobody claimed that brainlet

It was never proved to be wet cement. The Dayton shooter was not liberal, killed his trans brother or as the media reported, his sister. Stop defending terrorists
Alt right rallies are filled with people, alt right or not, looking for a fight. They bring weapons and hammers. Has it occurred to you antifa wouldn’t exist if racists weren’t coming out in the streets? Antifa isn’t an organized group. They don’t have websites and multiple groups such as the proud boys

muh isolated incident is the exact thing the media says whenever a jihadist does a terrorism, and they're endlessly mocked for it

You should try your own research but watching their climate video is one of the easiest to see it. They distract from the actual issue and then tell you it’s all the politicians fault. They have shoddy evidence, and bad education tactics. Watch some if you’d like but don’t let it suck you in.

And your source is what exactly, jethro? You faggots just gobble down whatever smelly cock fox news dangles in front of you, don't you.

And it's just as bad look to try to skew anything president does or doesn't as malicious, evil and wrong.
Mate, MSNBC says Trump is worse than Hitler. Have they skipped history class? Or have the new American gas chambers gone under the radar?

have you seen the videos in portland? Sure looks like an organized group to me

I never claimed that. Here’s your issue, your so entangled in the identity of being on the right that you assume anyone against you much think the opposite and be on the left. Come down user, it’s ok

>It’s hard to want to talk to people who don’t think I should have rights
You sure? Because I replied to one.

Y'all faggots need to join a union and kill your boss and stop being such lazy failures looking for some strong man to come thru and secure your rights for you.

>proud boys
daily reminder that McInnes inserted a butt plug on a live broadcast to own the libs
imgur.com/a/MQraN

>what is hyperbole

this user gets it

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"“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online."
nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/amp/

I agree with you. Both are bad. IMO Fox is worse tho. MSNBC tried to make it more obvious how terrible the president is by going overboard. They could just report what he does but they have to be dramatic about everything
Watch the interviews and hearings and videos of actual events from whoever, but don’t let a news host tell you how to feel about it

>>never proven to be wet cement
1. Yes it was
2. You're justifying violence.

I literally replied to a guy who claimed that. Do you know what site youre on? Everyone is anonymous I dont know who I reply to.
And FYI I'm not on the right, I'm not even American, but your country is so narcissistic that they flood every discussion board with their shit ass politics so you kinda get pulled into that by being here.

Does it? They are organized in the loosest sense. They don’t have the resources, websites, or numbers the alt right, proud boys, and colored conservatives. There’s antifa, and then multiple groups that support alt right ideology

Fuck yeah. Who gives a shit about proud boys or antifa? Put a bullet in the true evil skulls that have incompetently destroyed our nation and our planet.

Join hands with your fellow worker, find leadership from within, black, white, man, woman, take back what's ours from the leeches. Build a world that takes care of all with dignity instead of widespread suffering to stuff the pockets of a select few.

>thinking he’s not smart enough to make one twitter post saying he’s leftist before doing something he knows will make the right look bad
Cool

google.com/amp/s/abc7news.com/amp/portland-journalist-speaks-out-says-antifa-behind-attack/5374202/

>find leadership from within, black, white, man, woman,
b-but the man on tv said that negroes are dumb!!1!

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Cool, so you didn't look at the article. It's more than one post homie

>>Put a bullet in the true evil skulls that have incompetently destroyed our nation and our planet.
Right, the government

Citation because I followed that story and no it wasn’t. But say it was, those people should be arrested. I don’t care what side they were on. You promote violence by supporting the proud boys. I don’t see you complaining about how violent they are when they beat, shoot, run over, and throw hammers at people

Read it again. You replied to me and I never claimed it

AnSyn Gang

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>says nobody says that
>have someone say that here
>have people say it on twitter or reddit on the regular
>"oh you silly cunt, it's just a hyperbole"
Dayton shooter probably didn't get that all of this is a hyperbole all along.

I don't support them, but I think Antifa is worse.

just fuckin get a job bro

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>the people that throw hammers at innocents are better than the people that throw milk shakes at the hammer throwers

if you think this is a gotcha you are a brainwashed little wagecuck

you're gonna need money to buy the guns you need to revolt, like it or not

And hit people with bike locks, beat the shit out of journalists, threaten to burn down places that host conservatives, etc.

And that's just Antifa. Progressives as a whole censor speech they disagree with and take over universities.

yeah no fucking shit
what are you getting at
are you saying no anarchist has ever had a job?

Provide one source of Proud Boys attacking innocent people.

I have no problem with Antifa hurting fascists, the only good fascist is a dead fascist.

That's the America our grandparents fought to protect.

this
anyone crying for nazis being hurt is either a nazi or a bootlicker

So you're fine justifying violence against people you disagree with.

They literally have a special rank for people that assaulted someone

Antifa are the fascists.

if those people call for genocide, which fascists do, sure

The whole point is about labor organizing. You can't labor organizing without jobs retard. We have jobs. We're talking to our co-workers about seizing power from the useless suits that suck up our wages and provide no value.

Without us they are nothing. Guns and ammo are cheaper than healthcare and we can get them in spades if we start organizing proper.

The capitalist needs the state apparatus to save it's ass from us. We will dismantle both and work with our fellow worker instead.

Cut the fat. Cull the capitalist and his whore senators.

you have no idea what fascism is

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[citation needed]

We’ve gone back in a circle now. You think all that is worse considering it against people who, once again, shoot people, run over crowds, throw hammers, beat kick and punch innocents? The alt right has also threatened journalists and have gone to politicians homes to threaten them. They even take over buildings in armed hostage situations like in Oregon. But oh no the milkshake throwing bike lock users trying to dented themselves are the bad ones

Neither does Antifa

This

officialproudboys.com/columns/some-clarification-on-the-4th-degree/

If those people are causing violence and promoting genocide, yeah. Aren’t you an American?

"no u"

Jesus titty fucking christ. You're ignoring anything I say that is inconvenient for you. I'm done wasting my time.

The have rank names for it. Look it up my dude. You can’t defend a group you know nothing about. You look like a moron

not people that I disagree with, fascists, the only thing i am intolerant of is intolerance

I only assume the PB tards are misguided failsons who haven't realized their class character yet. We need to awaken their class consciousness so we can work together to build a just and verdant world free of the leeches in suits that define our fate and pit us against one another.

Together we can achieve anything, as long as we remove the ownership class from power and decentralize power among syndicates of labor

I respect your point that globalist, corporatist fucks have ruined everything. We agree there.
But I disagree with your assertion that communism (or Marxism, if you prefer) is the answer, because throughout history, man has traded goods for goods, and evolved into forms of trading representatives of those goods.
capitalism is fine, it's the fiat currency and the usury that's the problem, in my opinion.

>anarchism is marxism
[screeches in Bokunin]

And you’re ignoring me. What have you been trying to say? Antigua bad cause they violent hur durr
Yes. They are violent towards a group being twice as violent. Antigua that actually hurt people should be arrested for assault. Just like any alt righter throwing hammers. But you seem to want to say the proud boys aren’t nearly as bad, or bad at all
Stop being willfully ignorant

Well that's kinda what you ask for when you invite violence. Quit saying you want people to die and maybe you'll stop getting hit with bike locks

youtu.be/Aya1yrS-wDQ

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Our grandparents were fine with justifying violence against fascists. Why aren't you?

at the point where they go to PB rallies to smash the anti-fash they are far too brainwashed to recognize any criticism. all they can do is deflect "b-but muh antifa is also bad", while not realizing reactionairy ideologues manipulating people to their own benefit is the problem. evidence? this shitshow of a thread lel

any society has two distinct systems of power that being the government, in your case anarchy, and its economic system, in your case also anarchy, which results in somalia, where the only currency is your life. sorry dude, I don't see that going very far.

You have a severe misunderstanding of market economy. Syndicalism isn't anti markets. Capitalism is not a market it is a system of production. They're different things.

I highly recommend reading or listening to "debt" by David graeber wherein he debunks the insane claim that a barter system led to capital.

Under syndicalism you'd still have open markets for goods but the means of production would be operated by workers, not by know-nothing bankers and hedge fund managers.

if you think anarchy just means chaos and molotovs you have no idea about anarchist theory whatsoever lel

This is what patriots do to the far right

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>There are probably 100 actual far-right people in the US.
There are more than 100 far-right extremists in jail right now for murder. Far right extremists are responsible for more than two thirds of all murders by extremists in the US, and Antifa is responsible for 0. Left wing in general don't even reach two digits of percentage of all murders by extremists in the US.

One side is demonstrably, factually worse than the other here and it isn't the left. All extremist violence is reprehensible anyway, but don't try to use the fact that extremism is bad to call an entire side of politics 'an issue worth addressing' when it is a proven fact that the ones you tried to downplay are worse.

Kill every murderer, regardless of ideology, and wait for the Right to start screaming they are being targeted.

Fair point. I often wonder how far is "too far gone" for a deluded cuckservative like the proud boys. They're obsessed with powerful men in a really erotic way. Makes it very difficult for them to understand the adverse power dynamic they are victims to

Far left and far right both have problems with violent extremists, but let's not kid ourselves about who is doing the worst of it.

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i think as soon as the conspiracy theories about white genocide (annudah shoah) or marxist colleges start, it's gonna be hard but not undoable. but as soon as they go to alt-right rallies, they are willing to be violent and it's gonna be nigh impossible to get them out of their echo-chamber
i wonder how people even get that far though

Why not just be all the extremisms at once?

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Hey, here's a tip. The modern state as we know it today is an outgrowth of capitalism. It merely exists to protect the useless aristocracy from us worker bees.

I believe in a stateless society whose means of production are dictated by workers collectives and civic groups. You don't need a centralized government to have markets and trade and specialization. Workers can do all those things without a state or an ownership class.

Anarcho capitalism isn't a real ideology anyways.

Name a single anarchist movement that didn't result in violence.

Sorry but anarchism (an=no archos=leadership) means no rules and in a no rules situation some people will let out their inner horrible, and that is an unavoidable fact of human nature.

If you think a 'theory' of anarchism trump's the reality of the human condition you are foolish.

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I've spoken with people that do recovery for people in hate groups. It's hard work but it's possible. PBs aren't nearly as far gone as some. It's possible for sure.

I'd really like to see the criterion used for determining if a terrorist is far right or far left.
wouldn't workers collectives, by virtue of dictating various things, probably providing protection for the workers therein, and organizing them, become states unto themselves?

This is how sensible generations handled Nazis

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>Name a single anarchist movement that didn't result in violence.
You mean that overthrowing an armed state needs violence? What a shocker
There are very complex and thought out theories on anarchism, like anarcho-syndicalism. it's not just everyone for themselves and everything goes
also
>muh human nature

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If violence is a barometer for success then how is capitalism doing?

Rojava is pretty stateless right now, revolutionary Catalonia was too.

How is one supposed to abolish violence when imperialist capitalism is invading dozens of Nations on the planet right now?

Direct involvement with self identified groups is the criterion for that data. As in groups which self identify with left or right wing ideological norms. I.e. if a person attended the Unite the Right rally on this side with the swastikas and the alt-right groups? Right wing. If they firebombed an abandoned car wearing a mask and a black, red and white flag with flags on? Left wing. If they screamed Allahu ackbar! Islamic.

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obligatory dump incoming

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How does the Gang fit into all of this?

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Anarchism needs a rebranding

The word came from being without a chief or ruler, but to too many broflakes its now synonymous with being out of control and chaotic.

Anarchism is really about saying - hey commies we don't want a fucking boss who tells everyone what to do, and hey cuckservatives - we dont want a fucking boss to tell us what to do.

why replace one dictator with another system of dictatorship, capitalism clearly doesn't work for most people, were all fucking poor and being fobbed off by shiny collectables into giving away more and more of our time just to spend less and less time living eating sleeping and fucking.

So - support Anarcho-syndicalism - stop having "representatives" who "vote in our interest" "for us" and give us direct democracy we don't need someone to decide for us.

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well no shit, but what if you cannot definitively prove involvement with any group? would they then be classified by target type and means of attack, or just classified as a "lone wolf crazy"?
it would be interesting to see a graph adjusted with the proper classifications of all "lone wolves" if it was possible to do so.

>Anarchism needs a rebranding
There is no such thing as anarchism.

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>it's not just everyone for themselves and everything goes
Except as soon as there is a leadership structure in place it by definition ceases to be anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism would still need to overcome the shitty elements of its violent overthrowing groups, and that would require authority (no authority means no enforcement, means no rules), i.e. stepping back from anarchism.

You can plug extra words on the end all you like, the anarchism needs to die the second you want peace.

Not nearly at the same level as a modern state. The regulations and standards would be self regulated with a sect of the community, not commanded from the top down. Instead of rules coming from up high they're generated universally from the workers that produce the goods, services, or value.

For a fun read check out Ursula LeGuins "the dispossessed" it's a sci-fi book with some decent theoretical framework built in.

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niggers and fags can't tell this guy is a jew

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Thanks goy

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sure, for a while, but we can agree that eventually any regulatory organization will become bloated and overbearing, and you'd (over a period of a couple hundred years, probably) end up with a bunch of balkanized microstates, with wars between the Pipefitter's Republic and the Democratic Society of Welders, and eventually you'd need another anarchy cycle to clean all that shit out and start over, at least IMO.

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>steven universe

I'm over 18, what is this and why do you hate it?

Funny how these pathetic shites would rather think up an elaborate conspiracy of Jewish (((((Elites))) rather than just seeing shit for what it is: Rich people acting in their own material interest to perpetuate their power
I guess it's easier to rely on a boogieman rather than to critisize a system of power you have been socialized into your entire life

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a cartoon that has gay characters in it, and that makes him feel icky

but the jews are the rich people, user

There would need to be unifying frameworks between syndicates but that isn't an absurd thing to accomplish.

Think of the SCRUM framework in project management. Scrum at scale is possible wherein a SoS (scrum of scrums) can connect to create confluence between syndicates. Then you can have an SoSoS above that.

That's just one framework. Point is there are ways to make organizing work between syndicates. If you've ever worked in project management youd know there are tons of ways to solve for your problem statements.

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>Rich people acting in their own material interest to perpetuate their power
Jews are dis-proportionally those rich people.
Have a look and see
opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php?cycle=2018&view=fc

Is Bezos a jew? Bill Gates? Was David Koch (rest in piss)?
stop making it about nebulous ethnic conflicts and look at the world as it is

Way better than what we've got now.

who cares, it's not about jews
there are poor, powerless and non-evil jews
there are no powerless, non-evil billionaires

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is true, OP? Why are you such a faggot?

This. So much this. This has absolutely nothing to do with race or religion. It's got everything to do with the size of your bank account.

It benefits the rich to have us fighting over petty shit like who's fictional character is more believable, and the color of someones skin.

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I don't disagree that capitalism is also a shitty system and that violence will be needed to overthrow it, but anarchism is only a means in that situation. If it is maintained the violence will only become constant and small warbands will form, resulting in warlords.

That study only used examples of clear activity within groups, not 'his uncle on his mother's side had a friend who was at Charlottesville'.

If you've ever worked in project management you'd know that no project functions without a leader. They would not self organise into scrums.

>there are poor, powerless and non-evil jews
Doesn't matter, institutional privilege is institutional privilege. If you are a jew, you have privilege over all goyim.

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you think you can own a leftist by saying that jews are overly represented in the bourgeoise?
again, noone should be a billionaire, and this is not about jews. if we get rid of capital, there will be no more jewish elites you can complain about, maybe then you will see it's not due to judaism but due to capital

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and this one will finish my dump. Get gassed all you kike shills itt.

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Not even remotely true. A poor Jew shares no kinship with a rich Jew, the rich Jew would exploit a poor Jew for his advantage as readily as he would a goyim. It has nothing to do with his Judaism, and everything to do with the kind of person who becomes a rich shit. They don't get that way by considering others, they literally all do so through exploitation.

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>if we get rid of capital, there will be no more jewish elites you can complain about
Except for all of those elite Jews that even Stalin himself couldn't appease enough in the S.U. He slowly became anti-semitic himself towards the end of his life, that's why the old Bolsheviks had to poison him.

sauce?

Dude it's not going to be the wild west. It'll be workers collectives working together in syndicates to cover local needs. If anything it'll be super mundane. Lots of meetings, not must disruption.

There won't be fucking "warlords" because there are only 3 motives for violence, property, power, and psychosis. When you create a system where property is worker owned, power is unimportant, all you have left is psychosis, which is a minor strife to be dealt with in comparison.

There will always be strife in life. There will be disagreements, probably some violence. But this system would be vastly superior and more efficient and long lasting than capitalism.

Stalin was not a communist. He was a statist using the promise of communism to gain power. He never delivered. He couldn't. A state cannot deliver statelessness. Only revolution.

>the rich Jew would exploit a poor Jew for his advantage as readily as he would a goyim
That's exactly what Bernie Madoff did, and no Jew has done it since. Jews work together, guy. They are teh most ethnocentric group of people in history.

Also you're a fucking retard if you think people don't self organize to solve problems. I was a dev manager and you are legit a fucking moron it you haven't heard of people working together outside the confines of hierarchy

>Stalin was not a communist.
Wow. This is a Jewish critique of Stalin btw.

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if all jews do is cooperate, why are there poor jews? wouldn't their in-group preference win out over the material interest of capital? or could it be you're talking out of your ass to preserve a boogieman shielding you from a scary reality?

>this whole thread

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who cares if it's an aboriginal critique? make a counter argument, don't just scream kike whenever you run out of talking points

dude, there will always be power and those vying for it. among any crew there will be a boss, and there will be a man trying to be that boss. there will also be someone who thinks his kids are hungrier than yours, and will shoot you to prove it.
you're not going to get rid of violence, you're just going to have to have everyone be so willing to commit it that it becomes mutually assured destruction.

Honestly this sums up every fascist I've met. They don't actually understand systems thinking or have a critique of the production model that would actual improve lives. They literally only have conspiracy thinking and idpol

>idpol
and really really dumb idpol at that

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>why are there poor jews?
The same reason there are poor members of every race? Jews are the most wealthiest race in America too btw, and this is just religious affiliation, I'm sure liberal jews are richer than religious jews on average. Perhaps it's not about money but about a social initiative that every Jew shares? But of course you would never have a non-materialist perspective you fucking commie.

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There is no boss you retard. Have you seriously never worked a day in your life without an authority figure?

Elected officials and unofficial power Dynamics are an unavoidable part of organizing. But when there's no added compensation difference or no difference in quality of life between individuals the power motive is basically destroyed. All that's left is a desire to do quality work.

>The same reason there are poor members of every race?
You mean capitalism?
>Jews are the most wealthiest race in America too btw, and this is just religious affiliation, I'm sure liberal jews are richer than religious jews on average.
racial privilege bad
>Perhaps it's not about money but about a social initiative that every Jew shares? But of course you would never have a non-materialist perspective you fucking commie.
oh no, it's retarded

That's cuz all the Jews without generational wealth died mysteriously in the middle of the 20th century.

>make a counter argument
>"racial privilege bad," "oh no, it's retarded"

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curious right, almost as if only the rich ones could move to another continent on the suspicion they might be genocided

it is really retarded to throw material interest out of the window in favor of a conspiracy theory telling you everything bad has no reason founded in reality and is just evil jews doing evil things cuz they're evil to non-jews

>it is really retarded to throw material interest out of the window
Do you think Somalians in Minnesota give a fuck about worker solidarity with their white Scandinavian origniated co-workers? Did it ever occur to you why capitalists push for union desegregation, perhaps because it makes unions WEAKER?

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>Do you think Somalians in Minnesota give a fuck about worker solidarity with their white Scandinavian origniated co-workers?
probably, that's what class consciousness is all about brainlet
>Did it ever occur to you why capitalists push for union desegregation, perhaps because it makes unions WEAKER
any source on racial diversity making unions less productive? or are you just projecting your own racism onto others?

Yeah I've personally marched and organized with very diverse unions. It's really not an issue. Material interests trump racial for a great many people.

You have to remember. You're not normal.

shut up pussy

>probably, that's what class consciousness is all about brainlet
those niggers have RACE consciousness well before class consciousness.
>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
Name me one multi-national conglomerate in America that is against open borders.

>Dude it's not going to be the wild west. It'll be workers collectives working together in syndicates to cover local needs. If anything it'll be super mundane. Lots of meetings, not must disruption.
Who will organise the workers' collectives? I say again, there is no such thing as a self-organising group.

>There won't be fucking "warlords" because there are only 3 motives for violence, property, power, and psychosis. When you create a system where property is worker owned, power is unimportant, all you have left is psychosis, which is a minor strife to be dealt with in comparison.
Again since there is no such thing as a self organising group, someone will have to organise. That person will buy don't of organising the group have power, which offers will want.
>There will always be strife in life. There will be disagreements, probably some violence. But this system would be vastly superior and more efficient and long lasting than capitalism.
No it would not because your system is a fantasy that ignores the nature of trying to organise humans.

There has never been a single coherent organisation in human history without a power structure, and no power structure creates itself.

>Name me one multi-national conglomerate in America that is against open borders
nice non-sequitur, dude
>those niggers have RACE consciousness well before class consciousness
not everyone is as disturbed as you are, stormfag

NICE SPOOKS FAGGOTS HAHAHAHAHAHAH

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>You have to remember. You're not normal.
Says the side with the trannys and pedophiles. Remember, r/anarchism has to make a rule that no pedophile apologism is allowed. That's YOUR side.

>nice non-sequitur, dude
Not an argument, dude.

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i'd say pedophilia is more of an ancap thing uwu
remember, your side is the one with all the mass shooters, rape apologists and holocaust deniers

>I was a dev manager
Sorry but
>I was THE HEIRARCHY and you are legit a fucking moron it you haven't heard of people working together outside the confines of hierarchy.

i asked for proof that desegregation harmed unions, you responded by asking a dumbshit question about open borders
one does not follow from the other.

>Wow, I can't argue this point.
I know. Because it is a fact. He did not allow the workers to control the means of production, therefore he was by definition not a communist. No state can be communist, they could theoretically CREATE communism, but to do so they would need to step aside.

Name a state that has stepped aside, ever.

>i asked for proof that desegregation harmed unions
Have unions gotten weaker in America over the decades? I'm sure you can figure that answer out by the fact that middle class wages have gone down by 18% over the last 45 years (it's even worse for the lower class), and the size of the middle class has shrunken as well by 15%.

Do you even know what a dev manager actually does? I never told people what to do in scrum. I worked on their behalf to advocate for their needs. It made me hate the suits because they didn't trust their employees, the employees I worked my ass off to help.

So communism has never actually, genuinely been tried but you how to make it work this time, all we have to do is trust you to make all the right decisions blah blah blah.

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have unions become weaker since desegregation? yes
is it because of desegregation, absolutely not. there has been legislative and propagandistic push against unions for a very long time. it's amazing to me how in principle you are making critiques of capitalism but your pea-sized brain can't realize that is the problem so you have to resort to "brown people bad" to rationalise all of it away
again, not everyone has such a raging boner for skull shapes as you, especially not working class people trying to improve their lives

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WE ARE THE IRON FRONT

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>I never told people what to do in scrum.
So you did nothing?

Did they decide to scrum all by themselves?

No. You told them they needed to get something done and suggested a scrum. And you know you did. Because you were the heirarchy.

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As mentioned elsewhere, scrum at scale covers managerial duties in a non hierarchical methodology. Wherein scrum managers and team managers are clerks to serve the needs of the worker, not the other way around.

Getting rid of compensation variability removes the power tripping. It makes people who Excel at clerical organizing work actually take those positions, instead of just default giving it to whoever is most senior cuz they "deserve a raise".

Non hierarchical management systems would be vastly superior. We already have the scrum at scale model. We just need to remove the capitalist.

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so you still can't accept stalin was not a communist so you have to delve even deeper into your "how to dismiss criticism" folder
amazin

All you have to do is name me that one profitable/successful multi-national that is currently promoting anti-diveristy and anti-open borders and you'll win the argument. I'm waiting.

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Care to address my point before you attack my person?

>Communism is worker control of means of production.
>Stalin did not give workers control of the means of production.
>Therefore Stalin was not communist.

that has nothing to do with what we are talking about
also, find me anyone outside anarchist circles advocating open borders

Haha no actually. Scrum was enacted before I arrived. It was the employees that advocated for it.

I was just an administrator that organized between teams to ensure cross functional dependencies were considered. I also advocated for raises, education, and mentoring for my devs.

Again, it would've been a dream of we could've just kicked out the chaff in the suits. Cuz they still forced shit onto the roadmap that didn't belong there and wasn't team generated

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Are you sure you're not a comedic larper from /pol/? I honestly can't tell if you are joking or not. I want to believe you are joking, honestly.

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refer to

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>also, find me anyone outside anarchist circles advocating open borders
demo-socs, liberals, tankies. Also most GOPe figureheads including BILL FUCKING KRISTOL.

But those are all alliances of convenience, just like how they were in WW2 eh?

Still waiting on that company, guy.

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Never let this die

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Alright I'll bite, what does YOUR camp consider Stalin then?
>inb4 capitalist

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Man as a leftist I only support like two of those things and only as a stop gap until we can shift our production model.

>managerial duties in a non hierarchical methodology
>Leading by not leading
And other oxymorons by user.

You lead. They followed. A scrum resulted. There would not have been a scrum without the original impetus to create one and that impetus did NOT come from within the scrum, but from a heirarchy.

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As has already been pointed out in the replies you keep failing to address.

Stalin kept control of the means of production in the hands of the state, and was therefore a STATIST.

>demo-socs
if you mean actual demsocs and not AOC you might be right
>liberals
lol no
>tankies
lmao
>GOP
are you fucking retarded?
wanting immigration to be possible =/= open borders. you are trying to get at the old fallacy of "if leftists and capitalists both want immigrants they're actually the same lel". this is stupid, the motivation for capitalists wanting immigration is for profit, leftists do it for moral reasons
also
THIS STILL HAS FUCKALL TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL TOPIC BRAINLET, ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION
>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?

liberals want to ban guns. leftists are absolutely pro-gun

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It’s easy to say this sort of shit when a white dude calling a black guy a nigger because he cut him off in traffic is considered a fucking hate crime. You faggots label the most pussy ass everyday bullshit as hatecrimes and then act like somebody got murdered after one happens. Your full of shit and you should actually kill yourself. A lone wolf faggot who got picked on and didn’t get any pussy in high school who ends up being a shooter and killing a bunch of niggers because thats who mainly picked on him in school is not fucking politically motivated killings. Half of you faggots don’t even understand taxes or economics let alone these 16 year old retards who lose it and go on a killing spree. You faggots don’t understand politics and neither do they. Fuck most of you college aged leftys role playing as communists don’t even know what communism really is. You just think bernie is gonna give you free stuff. Honest to god the propaganda you cunts push out is out of control. You are gonna start a civil war and end up on the losing side with stuff like this anons. Mark my fucking words

and an authoritarian state at that, giving the MOP into his hands and his alone. that is more similar to the economic policy of nazi germany than any kind of leftist model

You mean authoritarians want to ban guns. You are using the word liberal wrong user. Liberal does NOT mean a left wing extremist. It is the bottom side of the political spectrum as opposed to authoritarianism. I know this caught on as a fad but we really need to do better and start reffered to them as left wing extremists and not liberals

>It was the employees that advocated for it.
Because they believed it would wrest power from higher up the heirarchy. They would not have done so without that desire. The heirarchy was still instrumental.

as demonstrated, leftist theory is pro gun. when i say liberal, i mean neo-liberalism.

>my gommie theory doesn't match how it's practiced IRL, wah wah Stalin was a statist!!!
cope
>this is stupid, the motivation for capitalists wanting immigration is for profit, leftists do it for moral reasons
C O P E

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Retard. That's not what happened. Shake off your programming and think for yourself for two seconds.

Problem solving is best done by the workers producing it. Not by managers. Managers exist to connect with other parts of the org to aid in prioritization and cross functional dependencies (as well as to remove blockers for the workers to keep producing... though removing hierarchy would generally remove feature creep and other issues related to authority members forcing ideas on the team)

Scrum (as a framework), when enacted correctly, is highly effective to effeciency, work life balance, and product quality. That's why capitalists allow their workers to utilize it. Because they think it will make them money.

However. Almost always, executives fuck up scrums implementation because scrum is inherently antihierarchical.

That's the whole problem with scrum. Managers are still given undue power and influence because of the profit system. Remove that and you'll have all the effeciencies of scrum without all the egotism associated with words like "dev manager"

>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
why do you keep ignoring this?

>C O P E
it's amazing how reactionaries can never argue in good faith and need to rely on ignoring questions and just calling everything either coping, jewish, or both

So your argument is that abolition of hierarchy can only happen because hierarchy exists?

What kind of retarded circular argument is that?

I've clearly demonstrated one analogy of project management that doesn't require hierarchy and your little cuck bootlicking brain is short circuiting trying to guzzle the ownership classes cum

>any source on racial diversity making unions less productive?
Yes, the fact that there are no multi-nationals advocating against diversity, union desegregation, and open borders. Your leftist ideology has only ever been motivated by profit, that's why liberals have infinitely more power than you'll ever have in your pathetic larp.

C O P E
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You're acting like that's the only reason they have to be quiet about those topics.

More likely they know if they show their power levels and advocate openly for race war that their jig is up.

>It’s easy to say this sort of shit when a white dude calling a black guy a nigger because he cut him off in traffic is considered a fucking hate crime
Irrelevant. The study only uses clear INVOLVEMENT (not association with members, but active involvement in group activities) with self-identifying groups. As has already been mentioned. Feel free to keep ignoring that it points out a truth you dislike.

>Fuck most of you college aged leftys role playing as communists don’t even know what communism really is.
Most people who criticise communism think everything that they dislike that is remotely socially managed is communism. Here's a hint, of the workers do not control the means of production, it is not communism.

>Honest to god the propaganda you cunts push out is out of control.
I have stated nothing that is not objectively true or so collectively agreed that it is considered by law to be morally true, such as:
>Confirmed right wing extremists commit more murders than left wing extremists or Islamic extremists.
This is objectively true. These people are active, often LITERALLY FLAG-WAVING members, of groups that self-indentify as far left or far right or Islamic.
>All extremist murders are immoral
While subjective if you disagree with this you are a cunt and not worth discussing things with.
>The above definition of communism
Which is the definition as recognised by every dictionary and encyclopedia, every history book, every expert in politics.

All you have is, apparently, an angry rant about what you perceive to be the big problem, but which has been demonstrated not to be as big as a problem you consistently try to downplay.

>Yes, the fact that there are no multi-nationals advocating against diversity, union desegregation, and open borders.
ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE MORE BROWN PEOPLE MEANS WEAKER UNIONS DIPSHIT

>Management
>Doesn't require heirarchy
Keep saying laughable things.

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>Your leftist ideology has only ever been motivated by profit
an ideology fundamentally against capitalism actually wants profits, the more you know

yeah, the glory days for your laughable movement is over

>A = 1
>B = 2
>B ≠ A
Does this statement seem logically consistent to you?

>If yes
See Stalin was not a communist.

>If no
You are stupid.

Or, much more likely, people better at leading and consolidating power will become warlords and kill scrums before they can achieve anything because you still seem to think that you can remove desire for power from people somehow.

give it up mate, this guy is as dishonest and retarded as it gets
it's the norm for reactionaries to just dismiss criticism, cherrypick in replies to ignore the rest and lie constantly. these people couldn't see a problem not caused by brown people if it literally kept them poor their entire life (which it does)

Nice to see you have a 5th grade understanding of language.

"Guuughhgh if you have da responsibility u a bossman"

Spoken like someone that's so cucked by authority that he can never imagine being self governed.

The kinda guy that needs daddy to tell him when he can cum.

Grow up. Work a real job. You'll begin to understand that we don't need hierarchy, that "management" is no more important than picking up trash or cleaning a septic system. That the arbitrary power signifiers are only supported by the capitalist model, and that without that model, we're all just workers fixing problems.

Nope. I won't give up. I'll keep pointing out the clear, definitive evidence that Stalin was not a communist by stating the literal only definition of communism as recognised by politics experts, historians, dictionaries and so on, and that Stalin does not match it, and comparing identically structured logical statements to illustrate their retardation.

He may never change his tune, but the clearer I make it the more people who see the discussion will see him being a retard.

Sure, enjoy trying to form a scrum out of an anarchist movement. Looking forward to seeing which warband murders you.

>He may never change his tune, but the clearer I make it the more people who see the discussion will see him being a retard.
i wouldn't bank on that on Yea Forums
either way, i'm going to bed now, good luck convincing these special eds not everything bad is caused by da joos
have a rare porky as a goodbye

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Ta.

Bcaus it gets my pp hard

yikes, what a child you are. Stalin would put you in a gulag stat.
Did you know that Churchill, Woodrow Wilson, David Lloyd George, and Lord Balfour all believed in Jewish responsibility for radical left wing actions and the rise
of Communism? Strange how that part will never be included in your gommie theory vids you watch on yt.

>The study only uses clear INVOLVEMENT (not association with members, but active involvement in group activities) with self-identifying groups.
Care to cite the study? I’d look to look at your data. Every. Single. Time. I go through this with you faggots I find out the study isn’t even remotely scientific and is heavily like disgustingly biased. Most of your power lies in peoples reluctancy to actually dig through your bullshit.

>Most people who criticise communism think everything that they dislike that is remotely socially managed is communism. Here's a hint, of the workers do not control the means of production, it is not communism.
You faggots won’t even a knowledge true communism as “real communism” it’s never succeeded. Ever. And deep down it’s want your truly want. Socialism is just a step on the way there.

>I have stated nothing that is not objectively true or so collectively agreed that it is considered by law to be morally true, such as:
We’ll see about that buddy. Please list some sources and oh by the way if we are talking world wide islamic extremism is right wing and if you are trying to muddy the numbers (which i’m sure you are) with that data you are gonna get laughed off the stage with that shit considering american right wingers condemn it and left wingers don’t but I digress

Everything else you said was conjured up straw man bullshit not even worth referencing because t was just you crying instead of making a point.

Put up or shutup faggot

>Stalin would put you in a gulag stat
good thing i'm not a tankie then

Factionalism is an issue everywhere, it's annoying, but workable without violence. You think Project A will fix Problem X I believe Project B will be better. We'll advocate strongly sure, maybe even have some subterfuge, but at the end we share a common problem and without inequal compensation as our guiding template, why would we harm one another.

In a system without inequal compensation, a system founded on that principal of equity, where is the motivation for violent upheaval?

Only a madman would want to destroy a system of balanced equity, where no man reigns over another, where solutions are founded by the many not the few. Where struggle is communal not individual. And when that consolidation would malign the many and benefit only a select few? Well the opposition would be massive. It would never succeed, and even if it did, for how long could they hold off the disenfranchised?

No. Only in a system of inequalities, where one group has and the other does not, where society is defined by that inequality. Only in that society exists a fundamental lust to acquire the top position. A constant pulsing fear of losing ones position of relative safety. And a constant desire to be the select few withholding from a disenfranchised many.

We remove that system, we remove the fear. You see getting back to that inequal system would be far more difficult once removed. Because people will know what it is to live without the yolk of tyranny across their backs. We'd be wary of those that seek to consolidate power, knowing what came before us.

Lol my socialist orgs already operate on modified scrum idiot.

Maybe I should have said he would of had you executed for treason, like all of the other trotskyists that tried to overthrow him. Either way, it's a bad day for you.

Strange that you still feel a need to ignore a factually consistent post.

Stalin was, by definition, objectively, factually, demonstrably, NOT A COMMUNIST.

>why would we harm one another.
Desire for power. If I solve with Project A, I will receive recognition for the person who solved problem X. You can't make that not happen, because recognition is not something you can take away. So I will kill you to prevent project B, take the credit and get rewarded by recognition.

You cannot account for desire, desire is much more complex than your childish interpretation of a system can control for.

But what is recognition? Why does it matter when material gain is not individualized. If only the community gains from the solution and you gain no power, no greater material strength over your coworker, why risk the community for the ego boost?

You tangibly gain nothing from the "victory". The community does not see individual success, because all problems require group intervention. To make it individualized, well, you'd look like a total dick.

Seriously read "The Dispossessed".

>ignore
I'm not. I acknowledge that according to you, he is a statist. But so is every other leader of every marxist revolution that has occurred in every other country that has tried it. They all failed according to you, and only you know how to implement gommie theory. I already said so in this post Funny how you have yet to show me the multinational capitalist company that disagrees with your leftist ideology (diversity, open borders etc). Very strange I gotta say. Gives me a big think.

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And if there was a violent upheaval such as anarchy must include to overcome extant heirarchical systems, the most charismatic people would eventually form warbands that would destroy your scrum. You would die because charisma and leadership inevitably work better in a morale dependant situation like war, as compared with a think-tank solution like a scrum.

>knowing what came before us
The West created the middle class to pacify the millions of soldiers coming home, then started shutting it down. It's nearly gone now. If a society were installed in the marketplace that replaced it, it could be removed again. The list of social spending in the US in the 20th century is huge, and couldn't be done today because 'it's socialism' and'we can't afford it'.

But when it's time to war, there's always billions available immediately.

i'm not a trot either
sorry you only know 2 commies

user I mean this 100% seriously with no sarcasm at all, go deepthroat a shotgun

yes yes i know, you are your own form of marxist-leninist whose ideology is somehow more feasible and apt to work than what Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot or the Kim dynasty and whoever else. Can't wait to see the workers utopia that you'll bring to the world!

Its tough to say how the revolution will occur, or for that matter, what will be the steps after the fact. War is a very uncertain time, and the aftermath moreso. Engels said that revolution is the crucible of Marxist theory, that theory cannot predict what will happen during a transitionary period. That the theory itself will become battle tested through class struggle.

Your argument that social upheaval being difficult and ambiguous doesn't invalidate the superiority of the system I've laid out. Only the complexity or circuitous route of it's implementation.

So your argument cannot be "that is a bad system" only that "revolution against capitalism in it's current form may not lead to that system initially".

Progress is not a straight line. I can accept that the road is a long one.

I'm not alone in this vision, and in time, many will join us in enacting it.

I hope you helicopters and long falls user

>why risk the community for the ego boost?
Because, in this hypothetical, I value recognition.
>You tangibly gain nothing from the "victory".
I gain recognition. Which is what I value. That is my desire and you cannot eliminate it, because you cannot thought-police an anarchistic system.
>The community does not see individual success
Don't they? Are you policing their thoughts? Some inevitably will recognise me as the solver, because that is what people do. Your system relies on humans all thinking a particular way that they simply don't.

>I acknowledge that according to you
Correction, according to DEFINITIONS not set by me.

>But so is every other leader of every marxist revolution that has occurred in every other country that has tried it.
No country has ever tried a Marxist revolution. They have had a state-lead revolution.

You have not addressed my argument at all and are inventing things you think about me to argue, for example
>only you know how to implement gommie theory
I have never stated this. I have never implied this. I have simply, and factually, stated that you, like many others, have attributed statist actions to a theory that is, by definition, anti-statist. They are not Communists. They are Statists calling themselves Communists. A communist revolution would require the proletariat to collectively take action, without state organisation, against the bourgeoisie, including the state itself which is bourgeois in nature, and then self-organise into a collective organisation which is impossible.

I do not have a leftist ideology. I am a realist, through and through. It is important however to recognise when one is incorrectly defining groups and misusing terms.

Pure communism is unrealistic because it fails to account for human nature.
Free market capitalism is unrealistic for the same reason.
Mixed market is the only sensible situation, wherein a representative group exists to prevent exploitation.

stop talking to them

>So your argument cannot be "that is a bad system" only that "revolution against capitalism in it's current form may not lead to that system initially".
My argument isn't "that is a bad system."

Read again.

My argument is
"That system will never come to pass because it relies entirely on desire being predictable which it is not".

Hey it’s me again. Just coming by to say your a pussy ass bitch who can’t hang. Get the fuck off my website if you don’t wanna get down and dirty in the facts nigger.

>I have simply, and factually, stated that you, like many others, have attributed statist actions to a theory that is, by definition, anti-statist.
So you're just a utopia seeking wanker just like those an-caps you claim to be so ideologically against.

>Mixed market is the only sensible situation, wherein a representative group exists to prevent exploitation.
Buddy, that sounds like national socialism to me.