Are you voting for Trump in 2020?

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That's only true if you're trying to fight facts (what you call bullshit) with your own bullshit.

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Not sure which side you're on
Time to sell some nukes to Saudi Arabia, the country whose elite fund terrorism without congressional approval (and later a $500B arms deal)

Or maybe it's time to claim I'm pulling out of Syria without telling the Pentagon first?

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Don't forget flying his daughter and son-in-law around the world with taxpayer money at the cost of millions although they hold no political position, but denying the same ability to people in political office

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>Not sure which side you're on
Neither side has a monopoly on facts, do they...

I honestly don't know how people can support him.

This isn't what America is about.

>Time to sell some nukes to Saudi Arabia, the country whose elite fund terrorism without congressional approval
The U.S. Senate on Monday failed to muster the 67 votes needed to override President Donald Trump’s vetoes of three congressional resolutions meant to block his administration from bypassing Congress to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

See how facts easily overcome your bullshit?

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>Or maybe it's time to claim I'm pulling out of Syria without telling the Pentagon first?
Which law requires the commander in chief to notify the pentagon in advance of announcing an executive decision?

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Donald Trump is a game show host with a personality disorder.

He's not a serious person and should run things past people who have trained their whole lives to handle such things.

>but denying the same ability to people in political office
Are you referring to Trump's shutting down of Pelosi's PR trip to Europe and Afghanistan when, at the time, her first priority was supposed to be working on bringing the government shutdown to an end?

Fuck yeah just to piss off the crybaby’s.

What do you think the history books will make of this man being President. Do you think it reflects well on America, and people like you who believe all this shit?

>should run things past people
That may apply for staff and cabinet members, but the executive has the prerogative to act independently, either with or without consulting anyone at his discretion. That's how the presidency works.

Your opinion about his past and current state of mind is frankly irrelevant.

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You read my post wrong. He first tried to sell nukes to Saudi Arabia without congressional approval. Arms deal came second, when he again tried to sell weapons of fucking war to the goddamn elites of Saudi Arabia who I will reiterate are the same ones who fund terrorism. The same ones we hate for their religious extremism, who are not democratic, force women to wear a burka etc etc. When congress tried to prevent him from doing such, after he tried to go ahead without congressional approval, you're right, stupid fuck republicans suck his dick enough to let him get away with it.

Only if he personally tongues my butthole.

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well seeing as how Trump just literally got China to cave on the trade embargo bullshit and the price of gold is starting to level off and go back down to where I might be able to afford some, yeah I think I'll vote for the guy again unless they put up Bernie in 2020 because I would like to see free college and healthcare.

my girl Hillary got this

>history books will make of this man being President
Well, given the fact that the ranks of teachers in the US are overwhelmingly filled with wide-eyed liberals and socialists, who are always eager to put their personal spin on the curriculum and who also author textbooks - i'm not expecting much.

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You don't announce to the world via a tweet you'll do a 'complete and immediate withdrawl' you strategize with military and other advisors.
Remember when we pulled out of Iraq and it left a terrible power vacuum in the north causing the rise of ISIS? I personally never wanted any military invention in the first place, but it's harder to pull out than put troops in.

LMAO, Trump saying China wants to deal is nowhere near the same as China actually saying they want a deal.

Of course not.

Only the most uninformed or just downright delusional voters will be supporting him in 2020.

No one with a functioning brain who has heard the insane shit he's said *in the past three days alone* (starting with the "order" to American companies to find alternatives to China) could possibly vote for this moron in good conscience.

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Do you think the Founding Fathers, or any of the great Presidents in American history, would approve of this man?

Do you think Lincoln would approve of a divisive, nasty, ignorant game show host being the face of America?

They want to rewrite the poem on the Statue of Liberty. That isn't the America I know and love.

>You don't announce to the world via a tweet you'll do a 'complete and immediate withdrawl' you strategize with military and other advisors.
Why not? It's a fake pitch and you do it to shake things up, see who is dumb enough to take a swing at it, etc. This is geopolitical strategy, not baseball...

Announcing =/= executing policy.

Hey folks, just remember that a vote for republican is a vote for Israel!

washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-says-american-jews-are-being-disloyal-to-israel-by-voting-for-democrats

"[Democrats] want to do a lot of bad things to Israel. In my opinion, you vote for a Democrat, you’re being very disloyal to Jewish people, and you are being very disloyal to Israel. And only weak people would say anything other than that."

>do you approve of me?
>do you think im doing a good job?
Things not uttered by a true leader.
Keep beating that game show host drum, it's working wonders for you.

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All of that is true. Conservatives are absolutely pessimistic towards human nature.

So he ultimately DID get congressional approval. Glad we were able to clear that up.

What the fuck is a "true leader"? Name one? Surely Trump spends a lot of time wondering how much his base will support what he's doing? All Donny wants is approval. He has not political ideas.

And he's never been above 50% approval ratings in most polls. So, yes, most people don't like having a freak as President.

No, moron, it's not true. It's just easier for you to believe that then attempt to see things from the other perspective. And it's that collective elitist ignorance of other people's points of view that currently pervades the left that is a large part of the reason why Trump is currently president.

>And he's never been above 50% approval ratings in most polls.

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MAGA vote early vote often, just like the libs and nigs do.

kek

Watch Fox News and tell me that isn't collective "ignorance of other people's points of view". That's how working class Republicans think about the world.

We on the Left know exactly what you want. White Christian country, punative criminal justice system, cancelling the welfare system, cutting taxes, banning gay marriage and birth controls. We just strongly disagree.

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Yeah, millions unemployed and laws based on religion. Nice one America. Toodles

Link?

>Watch Fox News and tell me that isn't collective "ignorance of other people's points of view"
The same can be said of CNN, and pretty much all of MSM. That's why I don't watch Fox, CNN or almost any of the mainstream news.

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It's why I watch Infowars

>We on the Left know exactly what you want.
>White Christian country
Nope.
>punative criminal justice system
You'd have to define this.
>cancelling the welfare system
Reduction in the size and scope but not cancelling.
>cutting taxes
Where appropriate yes.
>banning gay marriage
Nope.
>birth controls.
Nope.

Well, it turns out "you on the left" know much less about what I want than you believe.

newsweek.com/donald-trump-barack-obama-gallup-poll-approval-ratings-president-identical-same-1453093

Oh hell yeah, I want him to nuke those hurricanes so I can sail to our new home Greenland. But first I plan to walk the length of that Wall he spent the last three years building.

Come on guys, get your Trump 2020 campaign gear. It's already being manufactured.

In China.

I don't watch that either.

What do you want? Annon

Idiot

>It's already being manufactured. In China.
And that's because of high taxation, excessive regulation and a bloated welfare state making it impractical for companies to manufacture many low-cost products in the United States.

Don't act like him trying to go undercover selling nukes to Saudi Arabia is a win. It's still not a win to sell weapons to them in general, again he first TRIED TO SELL THEM ARMS WITHOUT APPROVAL and then was caught an attempt to prevent him to do this was passed, and then due to republicans could not override veto

Fucking YES

America transitioned from a primarily manufacturing to service based economy. This is a good thing. Why would you want to live in a country that makes low cost products, with low wages?

higher taxation, regulation and a welfare state is exactly what Germany has and it is still a manufacturing powerhouse.

>What do you want?
Higher interest rates. A long overdue recession. An end to quantitative easing (money printing) by the Federal Reserve. A downsizing of the overall size and scope of the US government. A decrease in the amount of money borrowed and added to the national debt by the previous administration.

Rather than trying to prevent inflation and prevent an inevitable recession, the government needs to allow this recession (part of the natural economic cycle) to occur. Interest rates need to be allowed to naturally rise, this will trigger a painful recession in the short-term - nonproductive businesses will close, jobs will be lost, but capital and labor will be freed up for use in other productive areas of the economy, but prevent even worse long-term pain.

The Federal Reserve must stop quantitative easing (money printing), stop asset inflation, and allow interest rates to rise. Higher interest rates will discourage borrowing and spending, and encourage personal savings. We must restart non-debt financed capital investment in this country - the true engine of a productive, sustainable economy.

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So Trump has the same do to having the votes of white nationalists, and Obama had it thanks to minorities. Seems like one person was for everybody while another was for one set of people only

>This is a good thing.
No, it's not. Higher costs affect everything, not just low cost products. Why do you want to live in a country with an inflated currency, where the costs of everything are spiraling out of control, where wages struggle to keep up with rising costs and where the middle class suffers as a result? Just so you can claim that your country makes high cost products? THAT is not a good thing...

What we need is a STABLE currency with minimal inflation. the more the government tries to manipulate the economy, the more it keeps distorting it ... with costs rising soon $15/hour won't be enough, then $20/hour won't be enough, etc... we should be aiming to keep the prices of things as STABLE as possible. That's the best way to stimulate growth, just by keeping things stable and predictable.

I was planning on it but I learned that he's a cuck so not anymore.

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explain germany then

The reason it's in debt is do to capitalism, so more capitalism wouldn't work. Also how the fuck are you gonna boost the economy by taking away people's jobs?

>exactly what Germany has and it is still a manufacturing powerhouse
Germany has serious problems of it's own, primarily because it's in a monetary union without fiscal control, and there a bunch of needy countries that have been using Germany's good credit to embark on social spending sprees.

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>The reason it's in debt is do to capitalism, so more capitalism wouldn't work.
No, the reason is because we have crony capitalism where your elected officials are doleing out political favors to the highest bidders. Rigged tax codes, favorable monopolies, exclusive deals, government contracts, crooked trusts and charities... everything is for sale and yes there will be plenty of takers.

Take the power away from politicians, return it to the state and local governments. Drastically reduce the size and scope of government. Cut spending and return to the fundamental principles of free market capitalism, which originally made the US the wealthiest country on the planet with the highest standard of living.

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>crooked trusts and charities

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Capitalism works by exploiting people from other countries now, so capitalist have to pay big money to make foreign countries keep their mouth shut

>boost the economy by taking away people's jobs?
When the economy is expanding or "booming", an analogy can be made to being drunk. When the economy is contracting or during "recession", it's like enduring a hangover.

During a boom, we make dumb decisions just like we do when we are drunk. The number of unnecessary, poorly run and inefficient companies increases. Because interest rates are low, we overborrow and overspend without any fear of consequences. As time passes, assets continuously inflate and the country becomes mired in debt, it also becomes less and less competitive with the rest of the world.

Our generation has become addicted to the artificial booms fueled by politicians pushing cheap money solutions, rather than any substantive improvement in the economy. Each round of stimulus is a shot in the arm aimed to "keep the party going". Each shot means more borrowing and less savings, more spending and more consumption - more excess, while eroding away our valuable manufacturing and capital investment capacity.

Combined with misguided attempts to "rescue" failing banks, automakers, etc. during the financial crisis, we have effectively transformed our economy into one filled with unproductive businesses, preventing that capital and labor from being freed up and employed elsewhere in the economy.

The cure is to endure a painful hangover. A recession is actually needed to allow the economy to cure itself of its inefficiencies and reallocate resources to more productive sectors. This will help return the country to competitiveness with the rest of the world, and (albeit counter-intuitively) restore confidence in the US dollar.

not voting for either major party candidate in 2020.
I will not endorse a party's candidate with my vote that has been so irresponsible with our money.

The cure is to ditch capitalism and try something better like socialism. It's like a toxic relationship, it won't get better

Fuck yes I am....

>better
>socialism

>ultimately DID get congressional approval
false

>not voting for either major party candidate in 2020.
>I will not endorse a party's candidate with my vote that has been so irresponsible with our money.
To vote for fiscal responsibility, you might consider the Libertarian party. I hope they can get a half-decent candidate this time around...

oh trust me, i am, just like i did last 2 times.

neither major party cares about our future, their irresponsible spending says as much.

Who the fuck even votes?
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Yes, I will be voting for Trump in 2020.

>The cure is to ditch capitalism and try something better like socialism.
We ditched capitalism a long time ago. Other countries ditched socialism a long time ago. We currently have crony capitalism, which I totally agree - won't get any better.

What we need is to return to an already proven system: Drastically cut spending, restore confidence in the US Dollar, and return to the fundamental principles of free market capitalism.

Kek but it's true. It's better

How about...no capitalism? That benefits more people instead of just the rich

>How about...no capitalism? That benefits more people instead of just the rich
Why ditch a system that is proven to work?

Capitalism benefits everyone, not just the rich. If you need proof, just look to your high-tech cell phone, your clothes, your shoes, your computer... all are examples of entrepreneurial ingenuity, successful free market trade and capitalist enterprise hard at work improving the lives of everyone.

Eating Trump and his body. Eating his flesh, eating his eyeballs. Eating the skin and tendons in his knee. Oh yes, fresh or rotten, his body is a glorious meal.
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Well, if it did then what about the homeless and the fact we are divided in classes, and I doubt the miners at Africa picking materials for the phones or kids at China doing the shoes would agree that capital is good. Also things like the Great Depression have happened do to capitalism.

I'm getting trolled, right?

>return it to the state and local governments. Drastically reduce the size and scope of government. Cut spending and return to the fundamental principles of free market capitalism, which originally made the US the wealthiest country on the planet with the highest standard of living.

Please note that during the period in which the US emerged as the dominant economic power on the world stage, the effective corporate and marginal tax rates were the highest they'd ever been in the nation's history, federal spending was devoted to massive public infrastructure projects, transatlantic financial institutions forced third world economies to liberalize their industries and sell their assets in exchange for capital investment which gave western MNCs privileged access to those markets and forced domestic firms out of the competition, states and local municipalities passed discriminatory segregation policies (in the absence of federal oversight) which cut off minority participation in both politics and the economy, federal spending on higher education and R and D expanded considerably which led to innovations in space exploration, medical science, and consumer technology, and the popularity of social safety nets funded by federal spending led to greater high school graduation rates, lower mortality rates among vulnerable populations, and greater workforce participation overall.

You're oversimplifying the period of American history you're referencing. Maybe read a book?

>Capitalism benefits everyone, not just the rich. If you need proof, just look to your high-tech cell phone, your clothes, your shoes, your computer... all are examples of entrepreneurial ingenuity, successful free market trade and capitalist enterprise hard at work improving the lives of everyone.

Oh man.

You mean the phones developed using government-sponsored research and development sold back to us at ridiculous markup because of out-of-control IP laws created by corporate lawyers? Your clothes that are made by cheap labor using cheap materials designed to wear out faster so you'll need to buy clothing more frequently to replace the old stuff?

>what about the homeless and the fact we are divided in classes
For the most part the "wealth inequality" is the result of high taxation, excessive regulation and a bloated welfare state making it unattractive for companies to manufacture products in the United States. At the same time, the companies that DO manage to do well here are mostly tech companies which generate huge profits with low overhead, which means that the people at the top and the handful of engineers and programmers they employ get incredibly rich, without creating any additional jobs for unskilled/low skilled workers. In addition, the cost of living in the cities where these companies are located skyrockets, without an additional increase in average income.

Meanwhile, the same people who brought you the high taxes and excessive government regulation that killed off most of middle America are simultaneously opening borders to allow hordes of immigrants to swarm in and scoop up the handful of low-skill jobs that ARE available, which not only makes these jobs more competitive, but also ensures that wages remain low.

>Also things like the Great Depression have happened do to capitalism.
The Great Depression was largely the unfortunate result of well-intentioned but poorly executed money supply manipulation by the Federal Reserve. This point of view is largely accepted by the people who run the Fed and several Reserve presidents are on record apologizing and resolving to the American people to never to let this happen again. If you're interested, this is well covered in the first 20 minutes of the non-biased, non-Hollywood documentary below:

youtube.com/watch?v=Bu8fi-f6DUs

Hey, if you can say your dumb bullshit, I think I can say bullshit as well. Even tho my thing isn't dumb nor bullshit and I don't mask it with fucking ridiculous words, for fuck sake, you're on Yea Forums not trying to ask Donald Trump for nudes

>the effective corporate and marginal tax rates were the highest they'd ever been in the nation's history

This myth again...? NOBODY ever paid 90+% individual tax rates. At the time there were so many exceptions, exclusions, loopholes and deductions that even in 1944 at the 94% peak theoretical max individual tax rate, the effective rates were NOWHERE near that astronomical amount... just look at tax revenue to GDP and you'll see that it has been flat for about 70+ years

"just look at tax revenue to GDP and you'll see that it has been flat for about 70+ years"

>what is inflation?

Jesus anyone who had taken a high econ. class could have told you why that ratio is flat.

Also obviously the effective tax rate is never as high as the nominal tax rate but at least breaking even due to higher rates coupled with spending on investments like public education and infrastructure are better than cutting taxes whilst continuing to spend on an out-sized military budget and driving the government into debt with no way to fund the social safety nets necessary to rebound from a crisis. Also you didn't respond to anything else in that post.

God damn is this the Cali thread?
Everyone I know including me is voting trump in 2020
Hes pretty much already won? I mean Hillary won
the pop vote and didn't get in, do you really believe
someone like Joe, kamala, beto, or pocahontas could win? Get real kiddo, and make sure you stock up on
tissues for the night of the election because there's
gonna be plenty of liberal tears to mop up.

Clothes and shoes are not capitalist ideas, they cost 0.01c, you pay $50+ for them, computers were made by government or military or simply highschool nerds in a garage being nerdy, utility itself would have brought these things to the forefront with or without capitalism, and finally, Russia in the 1960s had a closed chamber rocket system so advanced it was better and more efficient than NASA rockets in the 90s when soviet scientists shared them and they wound up implenting them into modern rockets used today. Russia also landed on the moon, Venus and Mars before us. And they were not capitalist.

I'm a fan of capitalism when it works n all, but dude, stop this "capitalism is why we have things!!" Mentality. It's simply false.
It's also not a perfect system and inevitably brings about massive wealth disparity and oligarchies.
It's the worst economic system in the world aside from all the others.

I agree with 99% of this, just a minor quibble with the fact the "communist Russia" was functionally a state-run capitalist market. But I agree with the fundamental principle that public utility is historically a better motivator for innovation than the market in key areas like tech and medical science.

Also, for anyone who argues that capitalism always produces the most important innovations, I would tell you to go check out garfieldeats.com and re-think your positions.

Kek andy sixx

I wish I could. I really don't trust the left on several important issues such as protecting our borders, Muslims, etc.
But Trump being a Russian asset has more more concerned then all of it. After all these decades, he's surrendering.

Cucked by a Canuck

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Can't vote faked my own death for tax evasion. Got to wait 10 years to pop up again.

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No way in hell am I voting for that draft dodging limp wristed weak sister faggot. He can suck vlad's icy Russian cock until he chokes on it.

Except Trump is always making spur of the moment declarations then backing out of them, when he's not babbling something vague and non committal.
Announcing something as significant as pulling out of Syria and the Pentagon going wtf? Is NOT something of a brilliant mind, but a dysfunctional presidency.

Obama walked in with 63%. Trump has never reached 50.

No, it's because China can mass produce in large quantities for pennies.
Manufacturing is never coming back to the states, and the sooner more of this country realizes, then we can actually move on to actual ideas.

One sexy lady

>To vote for fiscal responsibility, you might consider the Libertarian party. I
kys

Nice photoshopped crowd.

Actually, you’re asking the wrong question......

Why are spending your precious and finite time obsessing over shit you have ZERO control and ZERO IMPACT on your life?

Riiight.........

Fuck Trump....

Fuck Obama.

Fuck Bush.

Fuck Bush 2.

Fuck Clinton.

Fuck Reagan.

Fuck Carter.

Fuck Nixon......remember THAT guy?

Nothing fucking happened.

Guess what? Those guys are all the same and they're laughing at you. I'm getting mine by working my ass off, making money and enjoying my life.

Keep obsessing and posting on an image board, in a thread which will disappear forever in a couple of hours. How’s that for the definition of insanity?

Ask yourself this....did ANY President actually make your life better or worse?

Thought so.