Why should I have to pay for your college tuition or medical bills?

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Tell you what. I'll agree that the taxpayers will pay for your college tuition and medical bills. In return the tax payer should have some say in what you go to college for.

Democrat: Because we're all humans and if we all pitch in together it elevates society.

Reality: Give humans everything they want without having to earn it and they become lazy assholes.

It's kind of like the way insurance works now. We all pool our money, we all share in the costs and get the benefit of economies of scale, collective bargaining and economic safety

So you have a better society.

Goddamn right winger conservatives suck at memes, like atleast make them funny fuck

don't try to talk sense to these people, they're already made up their minds to be unsufferable assholes that don't understand what a society is

for the same reason we pay for your roads you utter imbecile

>Why should I HAVE too
You don't. You could kill yourself for being a faggot though OP

You shouldn't.

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Wrong. In a great country everyone takes care of themselves.

Because fuck you.

With this logic, why should we pay for police officers, fire department, etc.?

God forbid the "greatest country in the world" create programs geared towards the greater good. "I got mine, fuck everyone else" does not progress make. We need to abandon selfish independence in favor of a model that seeks to prop every single individual up.

Will there be failures? Sure. But the current system means that there's a hundred Mozarts, Hawkings, and Washingtons that never get the chance to come up because of their family's socioeconomic status, especially in a world where your dad getting sick once can mean your family barely makes ends meet for a decade due to crippling medical debt.

By sharing costs we can help prop everyone up. After all, the greatest country in the world should have the greatest quality of life.

Why does this creature look like an autistic donkey in every photo? Does she deepthroat eggplants or something?

Why should I have to pay for your elementary and high schooling? I don't want kids.
Why should I have to pay for your parks and roads? I don't drive.
Why should I have to pay for your jails? I'm willing to shoot people who try and hurt me.

>Does she deepthroat eggplants

Pls poast video of that, thanx

just like the old days commies killing anyone that doesn't go along with their pathological insanity.

look FOOL if you divided all the money and resources equally among the worlds population within 10 years all the same people would be rich and poor again.

smart people are rich and dumb people are poor,so unless you can distribute iq points you're just chasing your tail.

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In terms of medical bills, only the uber wealthy could really afford to directly cover any medical bill they might get. The rest of us mostly pool our money to share the risk. In the US, we do this through insurance, which means that on top of the actual cost of paying for our medical needs, there is also a profit margin for each insurance company, and an advertising budget so they can compete against each other, and all the costs of billing and managing accounts, and all the costs incurred when people default on their medical bills, and all the extra costs incurred in the system when people defer treatment because they're afraid of the bills and end up with more serious conditions that need more treatment.

If we pool our money through the government, like the large majority of other developed nations instead of through insurance companies, we skip all of those unnecessary costs.

The US as it stands spends more in tax money, your money both as a solid figure and as a proportion of GDP on healthcare than almost any other country. That's IN ADDITION to the amount we pay insurance companies and providers directly. Our market based system is clearly more expensive largely because of all of those tacked on costs, and our outcomes are fairly similar to those other developed countries with either a larger government role or a single payer system.

I drive on the roads. I pay for them because they benefit me.

Liberals and the shit they believe in don’t benefit me. They don’t benefit anyone.

Why should I pay for more of these cockroaches to go get a Marxist anti-American education and in the end they still don’t know which bathroom to use?

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It would be fine if we weren’t carrying an extra 150 million people as a result of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 (jews), descendants from slavery (jews), and illegal immigrants (more jew slaves).

>Liberals and the shit they believe in don’t benefit me. They don’t benefit anyone.
Wow, you've never been sick or needed to go to the doctor?

Amazing!

Awesome post - very true

you pay for all the roads but you dont drive on all the roads you moron
there are some roads you pay for which dont benefit you

The greater good can get fucked we're all "individuals" in america.

Yea I had pneumonia earlier this year (for the third time) and started hallucinating so I went and got antibiotics. My company insurance covered most of it

What’s your point?

>If we pool our money through the government, like the large majority of other developed nations instead of through insurance companies, we skip all of those unnecessary costs.
Please cite any example where government involvement reduced cost.

in a great country everyone has the opportunity to take care of themselves

if you believe america is a country like this, you're a naive fucking retard

it always amazing me that you all will believe over half the country is lazy before you'll believe a handful of people at the very top are really fucking greedy. possibly because of your own greed

God i hope you don't have insurance. It'll be so ironic if you do.

You’re not making sense. How does me paying for you to go get a degree in underwater basket weaving or your medical bill for a broken leg benefit myself?

idk why does insurance exist. for insurance retard

You dont. Why is “muh tax dollars” an argument? You dont have to pay taxes

and that's exactly why this country is a fucking dumpster fire right now, and will continue to be until you and people like you stop being this fucking stupid

Lol. You guys live in a cultural third world country.

It's kind of a mess how you're elevating yourselves. The discussion you're having now got cleared out many years ago for most of the civilized countries. Religions got dissociated from the State, a sense of greater good for the whole country got implemented.

You guys just got brainwashed by the ruling class many years ago, the commie scare just gave you the idea that anything that benefits the country as a whole is some Marxist bullshit. You're not realizing that you're basically in a state of slavery without any safety net.

It's not normal that people kill themselves because they can't pay for insulin. Any civilized country will realize that.

You'll get there eventually.

Uncle Tom, reporting in.

Consider it an investment. By paying for my college tuition, you're preventing me from going on welfare. You're dramatically increasing the likelihood that I'll have a career and pay taxes, which will increase federal income tax revenue. Finally, as a college educated man, I'll be much more likely to be a father to my children, which will result in my children not growing up to become criminals.

I honestly don't believe you should have to pay my medical bills. Just help me get a career that actually pays a living wage and I'll pay my own medical bills.

hei listen to me
you have not stopped hallucinating
youre still in the hospital
insurance has decided not to pay ani=ymore
we're goona pull the plug soon

thats not how healthcare works so... the fuck you talking bout willis?

Everyveloped country with more government involvement than the US spends less on healthcare than we do. Massively less.

You’re talking about greed like it’s a bad thing. Nothing is free in this world, despite what your liberal prof told you. Even in a socialist society, someone gets paid. In that case it’s always the people running the government, and everyone else is a slave

Like right now in Venezuela

Because I really enjoy waiting in lines. Fucking love that shit.

Fuck your society.

What if you end up being a criminal or a drug addict? Where’s my collateral?

Better than not having any insurance.

Because your mom gave me the clap

I have free healthcare and don't "wait in lines", you brainwashed moron.

>Why should I have to pay for your college tuition or medical bills?
because you'd waste that money on bullshit anyway you retarded inbred son of a bitch

Why should I pay for your house fire to be put out? Put out your own fire, lazy entitled faggot.

This is the mentality that will prevent us from ever achieving an advanced societal level. You're the kind of idiot holding us back from colonizing the stars. Dumb ass.

Its that you believe in a just world.

>Why should I have to pay for your college tuition or medical bills?

Social compact. Reasonable people help each other.

you're not investing into a single person. you're taking a share on society. for everyone that fails, 1000 succeed

So that we have trained scientists manufacturing the drugs we need. It's not rocket science niggerfaggot

I swear people like that guy would commit mass suicides if SCOTUS ruled that univeral Healthcare is a right

That’s great for every other country. However, if you can afford it, the US healthcare system has the best outcomes. It’s not an apples-to-apples comparison.

I want an example of US Federal government involvement that reduced cost because that’s what we are working with.
>inb4 moving the goal posts

What is personal responsibility? You want your poor life decisions and money management skills to be subsidized? The cost of college isn't all tuition, there is your living expenses. Pay for your own shit and stop crying for free shit.

Exactly, it's all stats-based.

you already let the government bend ya over for oil, why not. maybe if your government gave anything back you'd have a better education and stop asking such stupid fukkin questions. say in schools, kids.

>if you can afford it, the US healthcare system has the best outcomes
I don't think you can demonstrate this to be true

>By paying for my college tuition, you're preventing me from going on welfare.

This is how fucking stupid the left is. Listen dipshit, if going to college becomes a benefit paid for by the state, that college tuition IS welfare.

You're not smart enough to go to college.

it doesn't. france's healthcare system has been rated the best in the world. the US system has only better results for people in the 250k/year and above income bracket, people who don't have to look at the bill when it arrives. for everyone else it's 3rd world stuff

We're not getting more for our money than other countries. In a lot of cases, we're getting less.

healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/

If I waste money it’ll be on myself, like a new boat, or a resort package or a vacation on a cruise ship to a beach in the Caribbean to sip whiskey and fuck bitches. I make money for myself and only myself, why would I give you anything? What did you do for me?

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you're shouting at farm animals, but if Orwell taught us anything its that even a pig can stand on two legs.

Similar to responsibility with current insurance. No one can stop someone from driving drunk (or doing anything else really, for that matter.) But that's not an argument against having a collective insurance.

tfw I go to pay for my semester and they ask me for my EBT card

You pay to feed drug heads in person you dumbass.

then a bunch of uneducated niggers rob you for it. for your home to be worth anything, you neighborhood has to be worth something, and we all pay into that. give people something worth losing, like an education, a decent life, and they stop doing shit that will get it taken away, like crimes. basic shit, dude.

Why would I just throw my hard-earned money into a bigger hole (besides the taxes I already have to pay) with no idea where it’s going or who/what is benefitting from it?

then protest because the gubbermint makes you pay for all roads, even on the other side of the country. why do you have to pay for roads you never use? why cant you oay just for roads nearby where you live? youre paying for roads not benefitting you in any way. thats liberals making you pay for their roads. maybe gays are having sex on those roads too

Are you fucking retarded??? You dont HAVE to pay taxes. Its a choice idiot

Fuck you.

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You need to get a job first Junior.

What’s your point? Free shit for the indolent and those “unwilling to work”? At my expense?

Get the fuck outta here

Broad social policies always have the "free rider" problem. But for the average person, things are better, as the links posted have shown.

Yeah I bet you you have to wait a month or two, if not more to see a specialist.

You nor everyone else shouldn't. Bad career choices an individual makes should have a negative economic impact that takes a decade to fix.

I use the roads. I can’t “use” you. You offer me no collateral and you make no promises on an equal return of investment.

Why would I pay for you?

You have the freedom to not pay taxes, and then you have the freedom to spend your life in prison.

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What makes you think your tax dollars will even go to “said person” you act like you are the only person who pay taxes.

Holy shit The dude in the pic is so triggered lol

you are benefiting from it. the more educated the average person is, the higher the overall quality of life for everyone is

i probably pay more in taxes than most of these faggots, and im not bitching like a child. some are unwilling to work, but for the small amount they are paid, id consider it a 'stay at home and off the streets/not in my neighborhood' fee. you want your streets littered with homeless drug addicts that will directly affect your property value and quality of life? fuck that: you cant just cross your fingers and hope that world will only crumble AROUND you; we all fail together. I mean, unless you live off the grid on a mountain or something.

And there's the problem. The US mentality of "no one matters except me and mine." THE REST OF THE COUNTRY MATTERS you stupid fucking faggot. Jesus christ, when are you American idiots going to start actually giving a shit about each other?

The Republicunts and the Demotards getting so wrapped up in hating on each other that they make every god damn thing into an opportunity to bash the 'other side' even though the 'other side' often includes their friends, family and neighbours. The stupid fucks who shoot up schools because they can't get pussy or some such shit. Your democratic process corrupted by people and companies looking to make a quick buck. Fuck sakes, your country is going to hell in a hand basket and all you fucking pathetic, useless wank stains can think of is HURR DURR BETTER BUY MORE FUCKING AVACADOS AND MAKE A WALL

Weak and hateful people, a history of bloodshed and oppression, a future of intolerance and disparity... I'd say you should all be ashamed of yourselves, but you're too fucking stupid to understand that and WAY too fucking stupid to do anything about it. So get nuked, assholes. It'll do you good.

If someone doesn't have a car, do they benefit from having roads?

Likewise, does having a well educated, or healthy population benefit you?

Absofuckinglutely.

If you weren't retarded you could get an understanding about the bigger picture of things.

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The one thing I always wonder about regarding healthcare. Without having some sort of nationalized plan, how do you prevent normal hard working people from just going bankrupt if they get sick?

It's one of the top reasons for bankruptcy in the US and it's because of our current setup. No other country has that.

Now I know you’re an idiot. Nobody has gotten life imprison for tax evasion.

Nope, certainly not the only person who pays taxes and feels this way. You’re not convincing me that you would give me an equal return on investment, so my faith in your socialist plan to make the hard working people give free shit to the indolent isn’t really working out.

Fuck you, and fuck your society.

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hey op, i live in ny, i dont have a car, WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR ROADS? YOU COMMUNIST PIECE OF SHIT!

and 'free shit' is NOT a solution. Andrew Yang is an idiot if he thinks that giving everyone an extra 1,000 a month is going to do anything but raise rent across the board and cause inflation. medicine and school are a start, but not even close to the solution.

I paid about $31k in federal taxes last year. How much did you pay?

Because we are all in this together.

Enjoy the Muslims eurotard

oh fuck off

greed IS a bad thing. that's not what socialism is, greed has made it that way in theory, greed has bastardized it in practice. stay in school

so that my taxes pay for YOUR tuition and medical bills also

what's 1/3 of 113k?

Shut the fuck up. Your parents must have been siamese twins to make a kid so retarded.
You really think I believe that? I posted a picture of a god damn puppy.
You really can't tell

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Cause statistics. Everyone get a minimum safety net and a fair chance of becoming someone, and less becomes axe-killers with you and your kids as collateral. Instead they might even get decent jobs and pay taxes and fund your kids education.

I dont need to convince you. You can die in a car accident next time you drive and nobody will care for “Muh Tax Dollars”

>Why should I have to pay for your college tuition or medical bills?

You already paid, faggot.

Trump will pay for veterans student debt, then for niggers & feminists st udent debt

United Shit of America.

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Dunno but I’d hit that

you seem to think access to things like a good education or money management skills are available to everyone. you are blinded by your privilege. you are asking people that were not born with legs to run, and if they can't then it is someone their fault for being born into that position. your family's collective wealth over generations gives you a huge advantage over people less fortunate and still toot your own horn like nothing other than you put you in the position you're in. you're wrong.

But it is, you want this "insurance" to cover the tuition and living expenses of a minority of people who choose to go to an overpriced college full of all the fucking amenities. Only about 1/3 of people choose to go to college in the US and even less actually graduate. What you want is essentially welfare for people that want to go to college, propped up by the majority that chooses other options. The federal and state governments already offer many grants and subsidies for students that need it. This is more than enough to cover tuition for the needy and even the living expenses. So take your loan and pay for you own shit like everyone else in life, you entitled fuck. If anything should be done in regards to college you should take issue with its actual cost and not who will pay for it.

My richest and most succesful customer comes from old money. He is also one of few people I know that never had any student debt, ibstead he worked at least 40 hours a week on top of his studies to pay for it all and to live life. So, all his shit could have been given to him by his family, but thats not how it works with old money (the largest part, at least). They don't get shit untill they prove they're worth it instead of holding out their hand. This is why they stay rich and people complaining about social security and student loans stay broke.
Work ethic, do you have it?

Let’s give it to the rich instead right

Would you rather be surrounded by the sick and the dumb?

So statistically if I take 1 penny from everyone’s income in the US and send it to my personal bank account, then I go buy a huge house worth $50 million in south Florida that’s not necessarily “stealing”, right?

It’s only 1 penny.

Kek

because I'm paying for your food stamps

Maybe you should move to your own private island nation with your own private roads and private power and private healthcare and private education all on your own? What's that, you can't and won't? Maybe you should shut the fuck up about all the things society should provide then you stupid nigger.

I'm talking about health insurance. Tuition, I'm not actually sold on right now as a government involved thing.

In fact, I think student loans are what's driving prices of colleges up.

Private insurance companies used to get 30-35% of every dollar in premiums as profit. Obamacare lowered that to a maximum of 20%. Medicare runs 5% for those same insurance companies processing claims.

Happy now? The government program costs a lot less.

You'd have to settle for a 3.27 million dollar house.

God I wish this were me.

Yup. If they cant make good enough decisions to set themselves up, they should be on their own. There have to be consequences to poor decisions. Let them fail.

...that did not make any sense at all...?

OP acts like he makes 1 billion every year. Please dont pay taxes we dont need them from you

No, that's why we should shoot communists.

Because having medical means ailments get treated before they get serious which at that point would burden an employer, family and society as a whole much more. Also college educated people are much more valuable to society too. Denying both is just shooting yourself in the foot later on.

bc i pay for yours.

Not if I did it for about half a year.

Or I could get a cheaper house and buy a yacht too, maybe throw in a wine cellar and a helicopter.

Anyway I digress. Socialism must be really great for someone, but not me.

Well you started talking about gleaning money based on “statistics”, so I thought I might throw you a curve ball.

Don't fret user. You'll never have enough income to be paying in more than you get back.

Fucking worthless lefties. Let's make some dude that is working his ass off, and didn't go to college pay more taxes to pay for your worthless dick sucking ass to go to college, and do nothing of value except sit in your parents basement and fuck off and complain that nobody is helping you. Just kys you worthless shitbricks.

medicine and prisons fukkin' NEED to be deprivatized. also on the fence about schools, though i think hobbling a 10 y.o. child for life with student debt is a crime. the real problem is our lack of tradesmen; the US doesn't need more students, we need our middle class back. fund tradeschools as incentive.

*19 y.o.

Leftists and socialists are fucking thieves. Plain and simple.

They rob everyone to throw a bone to the poor so that the elites, celebs and left wing politicians can buy resort properties and big boats

>I want an example of US Federal government involvement that reduced cost because that’s what we are working with.

I want to know why the US electorate put Donald Fucking Trump in the White House, instead of someone who has painstakingly outlined how he would address every issue that Americans have been complaining about for generations.

Is it because Americans would rather stop any immigrants entering the country than make progress on any other issue? How sad a perspective is that.

What else is the answer? Tribalism? Red-pilled? Fox-News brainwashing? Don't get me started on 'muh socialism' or 'how would he afford it'. Those questions are never asked about Trump's wall or Trump's trade war or Trump's farmer bailout. It seems like a whole generation of Americans want to hold back any progress in their lifetime, and instead of being optimistic about social technological progress have become bitter.

That's sad to see, and it's not the hallmark of a confident nation to elect a deranged man-child as President. I know trumpists will celebrate his authority purely to score points and 'own the libs' but the only people 'owned' are themselves. Trump has offered nothing but insults and broken promises.

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You are 100% wrong you assuming idiot. I am Hispanic and came from nothing, there is no generational wealth here. I left the house at 18 and I own my own home at 30. The thing you choose what you want in life and you make it happen. The great thing about America is that you get out what you put in. If you want to spend you time at parties and wasting your money then that's on you. You're in the wrong for assuming so little of people. These people are simply lazy and want handouts.

Insurance works by spreading risk. The more you spread it, the cheaper it gets per person. Even people who are skipping on insurance and paying their own medical bills now, would save money over time if everybody was covered.

This because we generally don't let people die in the hospital parking lot because they don't have the cash. Instead, all of their costs end up being paid by tax payers either through Medicaid or government subsidies to hospitals.

Did you know that the vast majority of US armed forces personnel cite the reduced/free college tuition as the main reason they enlist?
What would be your plan to address this issue after you give college away for free? Just have the military do without soldiers?

oh noez. Why should I pay for your dustbowl flyover ass interstates, national parks I'll never visit, power generation, crimes that occur in your state then pass into mine, etc etc etc etc.

>>federalism
>>but muh overpriced, useless insurance
>>but muh uneducated live off of others' education and professionalism ass
>>it wouldn't enrich and improve society as a whole for education to stop being gatekept by rich white technocrats
>>but I paid my tuition!!
>>Fuck you all

Yes, agree on both medicine and prisons that should never be for profit. And allowing student debt is for sure a horrible thing.

Tradeschools should be free and tought at local community colleges. Also, if you want to become a research scientist and try to cure cancer we shouldn't stop you because you can't afford to go to school.
Want a masters in music? Philosophy? Humanities or whatever? Go for it, but you pay.

Yes. Maybe then they would take care of soldiers then since there wouldn't be a pipeline of broke ass niggers to take advantage of.

So you are ok with us spending 600 billion on the military? Also lets stop glorifiying the military just because some guy died trying to kill sand niggers out in the desert or the mountains doesnt mean they died for “your Freedomz”

You do realized Democrats paid him to take a backseat and let hillary contend with Trump, right? DNC screwed themself and a bunch of his supporters voted for trump out of spite for his spineless acceptance of being shoved to the side, but hes always been spineless and that's why so many people dislike him.

>The great thing about America is that you get out what you put in.
You mean like every other developed country on earth?

Yours would be payed for too.

Trade school for me cost $8k + $4k in tools then a lifetime of medical bills from on-the-job injury that forced me to try to do a lateral move that was nigh impossible since I don't have a degree.

If the trades are the answer, then M4A is a requirement. I still get medical procedures denied in my new Union office job with cadillac insurance.

Do you think it would have been more productive for Bernie to throw a fit and draw lines during an election?

i agree with that 100%. im not discounting the value of culture in a society, but a society shouldnt be obligated to spring for it. if you go in to do something for society, as you say, and its paid for, its an investment in Americans, not a handout.

I pay for my own shit, handout-queen

The thing about student debt that it is not all tuition but living expenses like your room and food too. You think that the taxpayer should subsidize the minority of people that choose to go to college and cover their living expenses? These people are not working and more often than not, the people who are crying about debt are the ones that choose useless degrees. College is a business transaction, make sure you are on the winning end by getting a stem degree and not a super sand lesbian dance theater degree.

>. I am Hispanic and came from nothing,
so, i assume you went to public school
WHY DID I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR EDUCATION?

>>Bonneville Power Generation (Grand Coulee Dam)
>Actually, all of the New Deal Job programs
>>FEMA Flood Insurance

So what is you point?

Seems like your Issue is withthe IRS. If you dont like paying taxes confront them about it. Dont come on here and cry about where your tax dollars are going

>durrr I love being burdened with debt CUZ I'M A RED BLOODED AMERICAN MAN

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you know why its dangerous to try and save someone who cant swim? cause they'll drown you too.

I'm okay with people not, but I also expect you to move away from society and live amongst the woodland creatures.

That's horrible. The US in general fucks over so many people healthcare-wise, it's amazing to me that anyone would oppose a nationalized system.

>808080987
I just said I didn't support the government paying the tab for all college. And I'm against having the government securing student debt too. The only reason why college tuition is so high is because people can not discharge student loans via bankruptcy.

Only post in this thread that matters

STEM degrees aren't the only degrees worth $. Law, Medical, hell, even liberal arts degrees can help a populace. There's a business reason for Museums and theaters to exist.

we pay for public education, thankfully, so we dont have to share our cities with uneducated people. consider the alternative before running your mouth, maybe?

I was not defending Democrats, you're right they are equally corrupt and morally bankrupt as Republicans.

Because you live in a society, and part of doing so means giving up some of your individual resources for the collective good of that society.

Insuring that the members of your society are healthy and educated is to everyone in that society's benefit.

Green energy is a meme. Nuclear is the only way forward

For the greater good so everyone can reach their own potential and everyone has the best quality of life.

This isnt about taxing the middle classes, its making sure the 1% pay up, making sure corps pay due taxes.

Because the state makes school mandatory for minors, you fucking dumbass. You have no real argument here. You also paid for my mechanical engineering degree, thanks!

I know, its hard to understand why people don't want a 22% VAT tax and $9 a gallon gas and a 40% income tax on the middle class

American healthcare is more expensive for less results. Throwing it onto an individual at the mercy of his insurance company is objectively inefficient, similar to why we have social security.

Acting like a dumbass was his only other option? Also the issue lies with the DNC, though he would have garnered more respect not just taking money to duck out. That's the sort of behavior people hate when it comes to politicians in general. He was bought instead of fighting for what he believed in.

We are winning the meme war you unfunny retard. That's why the younger generations are more conservative and see thru your limp brain retard spittle

Why should I care about my fellow man?

He chose to show solidarity with Hillary because he wanted the Democratic party to win.
It's called putting bigger causes above yourself, which should only serve to show his integrity.

That doesn't change my point that you need a marketable degree if you want college to be valid.

I don’t have an issue with the IRS. Ever since Trump cut a bunch of bullshit programs (like “green” programs and studies on how to make cows not fart anymore) that Obama started and started generating revenue for shit that actually matters, like infrastructure and military I’m perfectly fine with that.

Because it benefits me.

>Why should I have to pay for your college tuition or medical bills?
Because a smarter, healthier, higher-income-earning America is a rising tide that lifts all boat, including your fat pimply ass.

>medical care or education doesn't benefit you

because a solo life aint one worth living. the only reason you survive, on your own, is because you live in a civilized society, one you want to turn you back on, to which you want to contribute nothing. may you be denied on the day you are truly in need.

Should I have to pay to bomb the desert?

>younger generation are more conservative
>younger generation are running round in drag, crying about their feels, and triggered by everything

Sounds legit.

I don't know how your retarded ass got to whatever you wrote because it doesn't make sense in the chain. But uhh, pick up your fidget spinner and don't put it back down for awhile, okay?

>Trump loosened restrictions on drug research and clinical trials
>Trump signed an order last week paying off all student loan debts for disabled vets

Yea ok buddy.

so that we'll pay for yours, it's called society

I had always assumed it's for the same reason children are more inclined to believe in flat earth

No you won’t. I’ll pay for mine and according to socialists like Sanders and Warren, I’ll also pay for yours.

Still this thread goes on and nobody is giving me a guarantee on equal return on investment.

>I pay for my own shit,
Says the guy who uses or benefits from having roads, pavements, schools libraries, shopping malls, airports, public transport, government services, police, fire and emergency services...

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>dat pissant shit
Trump also fucked the poor and middle class on tax deductions, which resulted in 93 billion more revenue from them, while the wealthy payed 96 billion less.
Leaving a shitty zombie Obamacare in place is a titanic fuckup as well. I don't know how he thinks it's something worth defending for the election.

should I have to pay for roads on the other side of the country? fuck the west coast.

Does it keep the people that ruined the countries we're bombing out? Then yes I'd pay for it, like what the fuck. Radicals need exterminated.

I guess the guarantee would be that if God Forbid you get a serious disease that would normally bankrupt you, you'd be ok financially.

That's actually worth quite a bit. No private company would give you that.

Jesus christ. What do you pay for, faggotron? Do you make more than $100,000 a year?

lets be honest. you don't make enough to pay taxes.

My company insurance would. But I have a white collar job

I think we can all agree that op needs to pay all of our bills/student loans
That’s not the issue here

People who already pay for college are having trouble finding jobs..what would an increase of college graduates do? Are jobs suddenly going to appear out of nowhere? It's the trades that are in need of workers. Lazy ass millenials don't want to get their hands dirty and do hard work. There are trade schools flatout paying people to attend to try to revitalize it. They want jobs? Go there. Al ot of trades pay enough that you can support a family, you won't live lavishly but that's what all these kids want. Money doesn't buy happiness

No, it wouldn't. I have great insurance myself, but no company in the US offers anything like that. Right now, even on your high horse, you are simply one diagnosis away from bankruptcy.

It nets less out of pocket than insurance premiums, deductibles, copays, coinsurance, road tax, and 28% Income Tax

So you advocate for tolling all roads and abolishing the road tax?

Education isn't just about employment.

Ok well I don’t have that problem. If I did I would get a loan and be in debt the rest of my life.

Is that what you wanted to hear, little boy?

so you dom't have to pay for my ER visists, rehab and the foster care of my children later.

Wht should I have to listen to your nigger music blaring from your cars or homes?

>solidarity
Yea, right. Sounds like a public image engineering bullshit with zero substance. He took money and ran so the DNC could have a puppet that aligned with more of their typical talking points. The two party system is trash and this just highlights one of the many reasons why.

>He took money
What money?
Again, do you think it would have been more productive for him to undermine the democratic campaign by making a stand against them?

Cool. stay angry and do nothing, that'll make shit happen.

Why should I have to pay for the road that goes to your racist house?

>Why should I have to pay for your elementary and high schooling? I don't want kids.
No school funding leaves kids with nothing to do and end up constantly fucking up this guy's property. Guy shoots a kid and the community lynches guy.
>Why should I have to pay for your parks and roads? I don't drive.
lol there are plenty of majorly important reasons for fucking roads but you dont drive? what a faggot!
>Why should I have to pay for your jails? I'm willing to shoot people who try and hurt me.
Local brigands and highwaymen find out this guy has some guns and ammunition. Having superior numbers in the scores, they easily ambush him leaving guy mortally wounded. They take his house keys and begin raping him. Guy enjoys the rape.

STEM courses should be mandatory.

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The short-sighted,small-minded selfishness in this thread is incredible.
And you winder why america is a laughing stock

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I get that but what use is that to society as a whole? Why should educators waste their time on people who are just going to sit on the knowledge that they teach with no real use for it? I want to study Psychology so I have a better grasp of how people's minds work, do you see me demanding that government pay for it for me? No. I gather what I can from the internet (Which is a lot, by the way. It's a big world on here) and I personally feel like I've learned plenty and have helped many mentally ill people through their hard times. I also learned through life experience. I didn't need a degree to do that

The difference is, taking that money to buy yourself a house doesn't benefit anybody but you. Taking that money through taxes and investing in healthcare improves society at large.

man trump really fucked you in the ass. you like it or something?

Because I can make you,

The underlying farce over this stupid ass conversation, is that we actually pay more to corporate bailouts than roads, medicare/medicaid, WIC, Social Security and all the other "entitlements" combined while people making

Makes a lot of sense actually

They are you dipshit. Civics should be mandatory and it's not.

Okay, then what do you need a degree for you? You can educate yourself with the internet and that should suffice.

allow me to clarify. college level STEM courses should be mandatory, under penalty of losing your ability to vote.

As a stem student, I disagree. Languages, music, art, history, archaeology, drama, literature, architecture are all important parts of our culture. Design often goes hand in hand with science and technology, once you get to college you will see that it's better to have a broad culture than a narrow one.

They do right now. You can qualify for tuition repayment if you go into the public sector with certain degrees.

People like you are absolute clowns.

1% of people in this country own 25 trillion dollars in wealth. That is more than a combined 80% (the people you think are "lazy"). Also, that 25 trillion amounts to more than ALL of the goods produced in the entire year of 2018.

Please tell me how that ISN'T a problem. Also, tell me how many of those in that top percentile "worked hard".

>I pay for my own shit, handout-queen
translation: "i'm pro corporate welfare because i like they way they use it to fuck me"

Once you leave college and get into the real world you will see that your "broad culture" doesn't mean shit.

Socialism does the same fucking thing. Steal from everyone and give it to the elites and their friends.

Some are.

No you can’t.

That’s how civil wars start

Hes a college student. He knows everything already.

Socialism in stalin's union sure was peachy wasnt it.

What do you call it if you take something from someone using force?

I already know the answer, I’m just seeing if you were paying attention when you were 5 years old and your mother yelled at you for taking a toy away from your little sister.

It’s not hard. What do you call it? Tell me

>and that should suffice
No. Because otherwise intelligent people aren't necessarily rational or able to appropriately understand college level things.

You're not describing socialism.

>get into the real world you will see that your "broad culture" doesn't mean shit.
Lol? Are you serious or just so red-pilled you've stopped reading? Look back at that list and pick one subject that 'doesn't mean shit' faggot.

Wtf would you do about naturalized citizens. The right to vote shouldn't be lost for anything besides the ways outlined in the constitution

Because then it makes it cheaper for everyone by eliminating the profit gouging middlemen. and it strenghtens us as a nation to fight the future war against china.

Seriously just look at how our best schools are completely filled with asians. Americas disdain for education is leaving us in the dust. By voting republican you're strenghtening the corporations that are just going to jump ship to whatever neutral country when the china war hits. Voting democrat strenghtens the middle class so much that we will be able to fight the chinese.

Yes I am. That’s the perfect fucking definition of socialism. Take away from everyone so that the ruling elite can have it all.

you're on Yea Forums so you know everything too right?
>wrong faggot

Retard here declaring he knows he's a dumbass and moving his own goalposts thinking they absolve him.

Don't worry, your neetbux are still coming in, relax.

>definition of socialism

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Socalism and stalin arent mutual.

that's incorrect... what you're describing is corruption within socialism. which I agree is almost inevitable in current socialist regime types.

No. You're dead wrong, and whether you're a troll or not there are people that unironically think that way.
Any that is based in a free market economy without workers owning the means of productions is categorically not Socialism. It would be like trying to label current US as Feudalism, it simply doesn't meet the criteria.

because we don't have corruption in the current capital system

>>citizens united

That would be Oligarchy - our current system. Socialism is the opposite fo that.

lol you dumb faggot no one said
>because we don't have corruption in the current capital system
except you. what a dumb faggot haha. got any other unrelated arguments you want to bring up ? lol

>>which I agree is almost inevitable in current socialist regime types.

but whatever

Its the end result of socialism. The two concepts are one and the same.

Socialism is automatically equal to giving power to the ruling class and nothing to everyone else. No voice for them, no guns for them, rules for religion for them, no rights of the accused, no rule of law.

Socialism is only about the voice of the ruling class. Plain and simple

See

>Take away from everyone so that the ruling elite can have it all.
This is the current republican number 1 goal. it can easily be seen in the current administration when republicans had full control of the government but didnt build walls, they didnt reinforce gun rights, they didnt reinforce christian psycho shit. They pushed a GIANT new tax system full of new loopholes written by corporations and repubs.

Think of it this way. citizens got a tax break for less than 8 years, but corporations got huge tax breaks permanently. Citizens didnt get a tax break, they SOLD something. We're selling pieces of our country to corporations that have no loyalty to it. They just leave like in Brexit now where all the corps are just moving to Netherlands.

You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. You have no fucking idea what socialism is.

Shut the fuck up kid

I like how people think Bernie Sanders and AOC et al are "leftists"

True leftists would be nationalizing hospitals and colleges and taking them over by force. The "leftists" the media like to portray are like "Hey y'all, can we like not let people die by rationing their insulin? We might be able to negotiate a better price by reimporting it" which is playing into a capitalist idea of supply and demand which REGULATION prevents.

lol you dont know what that sentence means huh? lol what a dumb faggot. Or is english not your first language? Pao Ruski?

I know more than you, I can assure you.

ad hominem - cool.

Right, let's abandon the established definition of socialism for whatever vague bullshit you want to bitch about.
Someone peed in your mother.

By automatically assuming that against a stranger i can be fairly confident that you're as dumb as they come. and a gayrod faggot.

I dont know why you're trying to convince anyone that "your" definition is "the" definition. but ok lol. go write a book about it instead of pooping garbage on 4chin.

public healthcare and education benefits society as a whole and reduces crime.

ad hominems are cool you dumb faggot. anyway get rekt.

Shut up brainwashed Elizabeth Warren minion. You have no fucking clue what socialism really is and what it’s done to this world. Over 100 million people were murdered because of it and you’re here singing its praises like a fucking fool.

Shut up. Just shut the fuck up

Funny I own a farm i built with my own two hands and I'm a liberal. I'd put my work ethic up against yours any day.

fuck your society.

mine is fine the way it is. i paid for my own schooling and medical. quit being lazy or needy and get off your ass and work for what you want.

>the shit they believe in

You mean like science? You know you're writing on a computer right?

>i paid for my own schooling
from a guy in a van down by the river

Name three aspects of socialism and show where Warren is advocating for them.

You are a college student extolling the virtues of your broad, worldly knowledge.
The empty can rattles the most.

roads everyone uses. medical and college is for the privileged. i dont need to pay for some agricultural worker to get a degree or medical care.

you don't HAVE to, just if you make above a certain threshold. and even then it only happens when you can't find a tax dodge

>Shut up. Just shut the fuck up
incel brain reaching critical IQ levels of 70, any more and it will overheat!

corruption is the end result of any system where power is or can be consolidated. Both socialism and capitalism have this problem.

protective services are necessary. college and medical is not.

did you have to pick agricultural worker? thats an obnoxiously powerful role. everyone on earth eats, and we have a keen interest in feeding as many of them as possible. I recommend you let that guy get a degree.

all valid points.
i wish i didnt have to pay for some dumb fucks kids schooling. i paid for my own kids to go to school. parks should be paved over and roads you pay for out of your fuel taxes. we should not have jails. if you commit a crime you get publicly hanged.

You’re right I don’t, but why should I have to pay for your social security, and roads?

I don’t drive do why take taxes to pay for them?

poe's law

can't tell if trigged /pol/ fag
or parody

>Wow, you've never been sick or needed to go to the doctor?

uhm that's why i pay $1600 a month for insurance. i pay for my own, i couldn't care less about you

American here. I whole heartedly agree with you. In all of my travels I’ve never known a country more self-absorbed than America. It’s hard to find a sense of community here. Everyone is so isolated and greedy. They all want change yet they cry like spoiled children when they realize that the society they live in requires its fees.

did your parents house you durring your schooling? Did they feed you?

Not everyone has that. I was out on my own at 18. had to pay rent, utilities food, living was a full time job.

>So that we have trained scientists manufacturing the drugs we need. It's not rocket science niggerfaggot

people who can afford to go to college will be the scientists and doctors. those who cannot afford it will go to work in the fields and manufacturing. simple as that.

Because we can afford enough to prevent our country from turning into an uneducated mass of the terminally ill.

thanks for taking the time away from fucking your goats to give us your input Cletus.

Don’t act like you built your life all on your own. You were lucky enough to be born in a safe country that allowed you to grow and survive. You could have been born in Africa in a country run by warlords and starved to death just for your corpse to be eaten by vultures because there was no infrastructure. All of the services you utilized have brought you where you are today. You fucking soft ass bitch.

Funny... #Metoo. Still got the degree. Still doing fucking great. It took actual work. Something these faggot millennials can't into

>with no idea where it’s going or who/what is benefitting from it?
the ones benefiting are the ones in politics. they have massive salaries and hire all their friends and families to make an even bigger government of useless money grabbing thieves.

fuck everyone else, it's all about me

why don't the rich people that keep whining about healthcare and tuition volunteer their own money? nobody is stopping them from "helping" people.

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wasting money on schooling doesn't mean people are "educated". they will learn more working hard and learning real-world skills instead of being brainwashed in a modernist cathedral

>they will learn more working hard and learning real-world skills instead of being brainwashed in a modernist cathedral
So what you're saying is that the most learned people are the dirtiest of mexicans, africans, and mainland chineses? Textile worker? more like Textile Philosopher!

let them fail and become organ donors for the ones who can afford it.

Exactly, Americans are so fucking retarded at this point even school shootings are a partisan issue. Hell even the Amazon rainforest fires are a partisan issue.

So what you're saying is that the most learned people are the trannies, blue-hairs, femenists? Diversity hires? more like Communism!

....you already do you stupid fuck

Capitalism isn't so great either bud

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Well those items you mentioned are probably smarter than YOU lol. But as for me I went to engineering college and i dont remember seeing any of those things except diversity hires. and the diversity hires are due to old insitiutionalized racism so whatever.

i put myself through college. i studied engineering. i made my own way and didn't whine about it. now I have 0 debt and a house. it's not my fault other people are too lazy to put themselves through training to be better.

>i couldn't care less about you
Good luck running a business or working on a group project and 'not caring' about the health of the people who work with/for you. There comes a point where 100% selfishness is counterproductive and it pays to sacrifice a little in tax to improve group outcomes. The fact that the right is so triggered on taxes is bewildering, the only people who benefit from low taxes are the top 1%.

wait i do remember seeing 1 tranny at school. it was super weird because i didnt see him until his sunhat was out of the way lol. So i guess 1 tranny out of 50k students? omg what a disaster.

Except you have no control over costs. Admins and professors will just price gouge you to fill their own pockets

>It's not normal that people kill themselves because they can't pay for insulin. Any civilized country will realize that.
Yet the US is still the dominate ones in terms of raw military strength, and in this world you live in the one holding the bigger stick wins any battle.

Well then all of Africa is full of great countries and Europe is a shithole.

>Medical service isn't necessary

Cops are necessary? Citation needed.

I'm in the same situation except i've started my own company now. So i guess I win that little thing, better luck next time. But I have serious doubts about your statement because the people that say things like "no body helped me! I did everything on my own!" have been the biggest sandbags of them all. Me for instance, I'm grateful for every hand that helped me along the way.

and your tax dollars are paying for it to butcher itself and get an "education" that won't be useful once it kills itself.

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>I win
lol. good luck with your "business". i'm sure it's not just you begging for money on Twitch.
"I'm grateful for all the help I had" did you pay those people back? naawww, just nice cheap words.
You can't even appreciate what you have if you don't actually earn it.

I mean i guess i can assume that lol? sure? I can assume other things too i guess.

We already have the biggest stick but it’s never big enough for us. We can afford to fly squadrons of hundred million dollar jets halfway across the globe that cost $40,000 per flight hour to drop $80,000 bombs on people who don’t even have shit. Think a little harder moron.

you already assume that giving infinite money to "education" will make people smarter, so you may as well keep assuming everything.

Really 100 million natives? Not a chance in hell they didn't have the agriculture to support that. They raided each other and made slave of captured victims very often. Where in the fuck did you get this idiotic theory?

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Maybe they'd stop killing themselves if people like you stopped treating them like second class citizens

>We already have the biggest stick
A. Prove It. Most of that is just posturing
B. Without constant superiority we will lose our wealth and become a vassal of China or Russia.

they treat themselves like second class citizens. I want them to kill themselves.

Republican logic:

Big dick energy for military: Yes!

Affordable Healthcare and Education: No!

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They're mentally ill. How hard is it for you to face facts and realize this? You don't encourage delusion.

Not everyone expects to be paid back. Having help doesn't mean you didn't earn something. Every single business requires help from citizens

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>Affordable Healthcare
we need defence. we don't need to pay infinite amounts of money to keep the obese and poor alive longer.

sorry you can't be me. enjoy your 'business", beggar.

>good luck with your "business".
Thanks man! I'm gonna need it. The vast majority of business fail early. But I think there's a temporary window for the market i'm after at my location.

>"I'm grateful for all the help I had" did you pay those people back?
Some i did. Why?

>You can't even appreciate what you have if you don't actually earn it.
Are you implying I didn't earn something? This sounds more like I was talking about earlier (about the sandbaggers holding everyone back). you sound like you're still a child stuck in your personal fable if you dont think anyone can earn anything except for you because of the O-so-insurmountable-travails only you endure. get help. 'because you can afford it'

>Having help doesn't mean you didn't earn something.
that's literally what it means