Unpopular opinion: "I have anxiety" is not an excuse for anything

True -- there are real physical consequences to depression, but that's not at issue.

The problem is everybody uses anxiety as an excuse and dresses the term up as a mental health problem when they're statistically fine in reality. They're co-opting the issue and profiteering.

Everybody's a bit depressed, but knowing that and taking responsibility and action can't be faulted. Fobbing it off on a made-up condition can be.

I truly believe that depression is caused by what you do.
Like my friend, he doesn't seem depressed at all and I've known him his whole life, but he claims he has it.
Yet all he does is sit around, no job, no income, lives off of his mom, smokes weed and masturbates.
Literally no wonder he's depressed. I'd be depressed too if I didn't get out and do something with my life.

depression and anxiety r real things, but not every1 has them. Those conditions r debilitating. If u r getting your weak, dumb ass out to work, or school, u dont have it. Theres no "high functioning" with this. Theres no "fast running" paraplegy.
If every1 has those, what good of a descriptor is it

No one is saying they aren't real things. Just that the people who use it as an excuse could instead find ways to cope with it.
I've met many people in my life with both conditions and a lot of it comes from the way they think and their environmental surroundings.
All things that could be changed to help with the condition.

Perhaps after a 3-9 year education in medicine and psychiatry you'll see things differently, and by differently I mean educatedly, with empirical evidence to back you up.

Who becomes an expert psychiatrist in three years?

Those lost in depression have no patience with others lost in depression.
Like those drowning in stress will have no patience for others in the same situation.

But once you're through it, when you've changed your life and become content again.
Suddenly you can see how graceless you, and those in the same situation has been.

You must come through on the other side of these things (hard work) in order to show understanding.
Best of luck user.
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they can be treated, they dont need to be coped with

Nobody, but you understand the enormity of your chosen field and become a bit more humble and less prone to quick-and-easy snap judgements.

>medicine and psychiatry
>not psychology
and which r u? Psychiatrist, or a depressed faggot, who just rly doesnt wanna go to school tomorrow?

Aw, your age is showing kid.
I haven't been in school for 30 years.

so u r 30 and homeschooled? Your stupid is showing

What's your diagnosis, then? Is "anxiety" being overused and made meaningless by people who don't really have unmanageable depression? Or do you think I'm off-base?

OP and many others do not get what makes it an illness. when its EXCESSIVE and you get PHYSICAL symptoms for a prolonged period that is real depression and anxiety. fuck off out of here.

if you don't got a diagnosis by a psychiatrist then yes i agree OP about the attention seeking people but real people like me just wish it was cured.

- someone who is diagnosed by psychiatrist with it for 7+ years.

Heh, yeah, I remember when I was 12.

Or perhaps society has become so skewed and unpleasant that more and more people break?

so they r weak

and what did your conservative, religious mom teach u then? Not to touch your peepee, or ull go blind?

Kinda arguing a negative: you could just as easily say that the absence of David Bowie is making people more depressed because he isn't alive anymore. There's correlation but not causation.

imo current society is infinitely less stressful than most of history. 16th century user "brb inquisitors at my door looking to immolate my ass"

No, weakness is the deep rooted fear of showing how you feel, and being honest about.
And instead covering yourself with manly mannerisms and loud swearing, meeting all sorrow and like emotions with red hot anger, because you're too weak to show tears.
You'll understand this very basic lesson once your balls drop.

I'm not a yank, no religion-based hangups here, sorry kiddo. Try again.

>excluding those with GAD, which is still pretty shaky
Nothing shaky about GAD. It's a genuinely debilitating condition. The issue is that 'anxiety' the condition is being too often conflated with 'anxiety' the emotion. They are very different animals. Everyone experiences the latter. The former is not just experiencing the emotion (which usually makes sense, like, oh I'm anxious about a scenario with consequences and a high degree of personal responsibility, like a job interview, sure, that makes sense) but rather, the emotion popping up where it doesn't make sense (oh, if I leave my room at all right now everything ever will be bad, I can't breathe, fuck, *hyperventilates*). For a suffer of GAD, it IS a disease and it can't be controlled by will alone. Therapy and medication can bridge that gap some of the time but during those times it does not "I have GAD" is pretty much a valid excuse for everything. The issue is that self diagnosed fucktards devalue the meaning of literally all mental disabilities.

This is, as above, a matter of 'condition vs emotion'. Everyone gets depressed written a situation is depressing enough, to the point doctors now use the term low mood for anything not chronic, and the vast majority will not recommend medication for low mood. I myself suffer from chronic, clinical depression and can tell you in no uncertain terms that my situation is not the cause. I have a neurochemical imbalance that requires medication to address. When discussing my depression (which still kicks my ass any time I forget my meds), the most frequent thing I hear from the uninformed is "what are you sad about?" The answer is nothing. I have a career, I'm working towards a degree (BSc Combined STEM), I'm a science technician in a secondary school, I love my work, when I finish my part time degree I plan to go into teaching because I already teach some lessons and it is incredibly rewarding, inspiring curiosity in our world. I have
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no, weakness if falling ill from social pressure

congratulations - u were never in school and u r not even american. Breaking new grounds here

unpopular opinion "alrighty then"

Thank you.
This is your first attempt at a trolling?

>Suddenly you can see how graceless you, and those in the same situation has been.
Good description user.

You're both right and wrong.
You are right in the sense that everyone gets anxious, and as such anxiety should not be an excuse for anything. Anxiety is a normal part of being human.
However the problem is more about wording. I have (or really had) an anxiety disorder which prevented me from doing many things. It wasn't about getting anxious in the way a normal person would, it was about suffering from crippling anxiety under relatively mild circumstances. If someone were to ask me why, I would say "anxiety" but that's inaccurate and misleading, really it's an anxiety disorder. Really there needs to be better terminology to explain the problem.
You also then have the problem of snowflakes who take knowledge that anxiety can be a problem, and use it to justify that being anxious means they can't do things, which is as you describe it, but we really need something to draw a line between the two.
The same is also true for depression. I suffer from clinical depression and have done for 20 years, but often telling people I'm depressed is met with a response of "well everyone gets depressed". They're right of course, but there is the world of difference between being depressed and having depression. Being depressed is you're down cos you lost your job and your dog died. Having depression is feeling like that every single day for absolutely no fucking reason. Again, better terminology is required.

We're a flock animal, social connections are important. If such demand you bend yourself out of shape to just fit in, of course you're going to go mad in some shape or form.
But again, you need experience to know this - and you clearly haven't had much of that.

this is your 1st attempt at interacting with the outside world, after hearing all those buzzwords in television?

>I plan to go into teaching because I already teach some lessons and it is incredibly rewarding, inspiring curiosity in our world. I have...
a girlfriend, long term, who understands and is patient with my condition, to whom I have a proposal planned, don't and all already bought. I live comfortably in a sizeable home, and have many pets which I'm passionate about, along with a small since business breeding rare herp and rep morphs to sell. I live a productive life, but I still have depression. For a year I tried to use therapy and weaning to get off the meds, thinking it may improve my quality of life, but without SSRIs my brain kicks it's own ass, regardless of how I may try to think my way through it, and in spite of my analytical nature telling me that logically I am fine, I simply, chemically, am not.

So no, situation and action does not 'cause' depression (the condition), though it can cause the emotion.

Nope, try again.

on a scale of 14-32, how dumb r u?
Some get bent equally and stay ane, but its not weaknesas, if others break? And again, what your education? Whats your experience? Having depression doesnt qualify u to diagnose it in others or to explain underlying mechanisms, so kys

what a comeback. Thats how mommy told u to deal with bullies?

Look, if you lack arguments, just stay out of the conversation?

No U

so u r also delusional?

Peach, user. I'm the depressed science tech in
and the real issue here is self diagnosing people. Like all the people who are just stupid and flaky in the 90s who used to say shit like 'oh my god I'm so ADHD' devalued that condition to the point nobody takes it seriously, or autism spectrum disorders which get so over quoted they are now a meme in places like this.

Had a doctor tell me long ago, that there's a cure for anxiety called death. By an large, people with legit depression may get better, but I doubt meds so it alone.

Preach*

I gotcha -- it's probably a problem with wording. I wasn't trying to put down those with clinical depression. That's real. The original post was directed toward those who claim to suffer from anxiety and use the phrase "I have anxiety."

If they can't say WHAT they have, specifically, they probably haven't been diagnosed, and their point is meaningless. GAD is a thing, for sure, but most who say they have anxiety use it as a crutch, which cheapens the term for everybody else.

I probably worded it wrong; I wrote the original post in a huff.

unless you have been there, you can never know how it feels to desperately want a way out

I posted
and just wanna say you're spot on, at least with the first of your posts. The only thing I would add is that I'm actually kinda jealous you're able to manage your depression as well as you do. Even with meds and therapy I have no job, my career is dead, no gf, and most importantly I have almost completely lost all interest and passion in anything. My depression is crippling and has been for about the last 5 years now.

No U

yeah I kinda get your point and I agree but that doesn't include those people who, y'know, can't leave their house and shit. Like yeah, people that expect others to lick their shoes because they have "anxiety" are assholes with munchausen by proxy but some have like that ptsd shit where there's a real problem

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Is...

...is OP being...

... NOT a faggot? I may faint. Depressed Science Tech here. Bless you user. I completely agree with the fact self diagnosed "I can't do X because anxiety" people are sitting things up, the trophies is that you can't just assume everyone saying it is one of those because that becomes unfair to those who do suffer from the condition. You need to find more elegant ways around it. My go to is:
>Oh I'm sorry to hear that. How long have you had it and what made take that step to get diagnosed? Because for me it was...
If they're genuine they will have a story to tell. If they are not they will make excuses for their lack of diagnosis.

It’s true it has caused me to loose everything

Nah, still a faggot by virtue of posting, but thanks. Just pissed at all the shit I'm seeing from 20-30 year-old adults and wanted to scream autistically about it on a website that's designed for it.

is it an excuse if i dont have my ged i only worked a month in my life and that was to buy a laptop for the internet and like jack off juice please god help me Yea Forums i have nothing at 20

Like I said, the condition is not gone and still sometimes kicks my ass, but I took the fake it till you make it approach. I thought factually back to my old passions (teaching) and decided to just do things, because as my therapist said, it won't help me manage my condition to NOT do things, so even without passion 'you may as well just set about doing things you think SHOULD be important'. I took up a job as a TA, which got me in the door even for minimal pay, and as I was doing things, I felt less of the emotions (even as the condition still had me without passion, the emotions of suck are in part triggered and maintained by your actions) which allowed me, in one or two moments, to feel passion again about something. In this case I was supporting an A-level student with severe autism in his physics class, and learned some new things (because what is A-level now used to be university stuff when I was at school. Education has a subtle power-creep) and remembered how much I loved learning shit. I seized the fuck it of that one mote of passion.

That's what you need my man: fake passion until you find it again.

Fair enough then, faggot :)

depends on where you live. americans should never need to be coddled, starting a business here is easy as shit, and in the information age you can easily work from home. either get good at marketing to find your audience if you are going full indie or make whatever you can of your circumstances and find the right employer.

I know it's not all that doable in europe or canada, even less so in third world crap, but in the states, no one should be hiding behind self or proffessional diagnosis. if you can't do something then you don't do it, like having promiscuous sex when you are married, but you can always find yourself a niche to be a valuable member of society.

I'd like to agree with OP and extend his point to basically all diagnosis of mental disability. you can always play to your strengths.

Depressed Science Tech here.

I partially agree. But if someone says they can't do a certain thing due to their disabilities then it stands to reason that you should focus your response to them on finding a thing they can do, and avoiding accusatory statements like "hiding behind diagnosis" because the literal last thing these people need is someone making them feel shit for feeling shit.

Like, if you had lost your leg and your neighbor has lost two legs and stop did shit, you're still entitled to be upset about losing a leg, and anyone telling you not to feel bad because others have it worst or others are doing better is the definition of 'adding insult to injury'. It's pretty poor behaviour, so I'd urge you to avoid it and focus on the final sentence of your post.

>Like, if you had lost your leg and your neighbor has lost two legs and still* did shit, you're still entitled to be upset about losing a leg
Fixed

I wish I could, but I think a lot of the problem for me is having several other underlying health conditions making everything that much harder. I have a health anxiety disorder, IBS and chronic fatigue. Btw A-levels, you in the uk bro?

>A levels
>Secondary school
Yes I am.

>several other underlying health conditions
I know that feel. Kept me basing my head against the unemployment wall for a good few years myself. My other conditions are arthritic knees (early onset, triggered while working a shit job in a freezer in my late 20s), gout and the ADHD and Autism spectrum disorder I mentioned (I was in a specialist unit at school).

Start out volunteering. Volunteering is an industry that will take you no matter what and having that willingness to do things on your résumé (I almost wrote CV) will make you desirable. I don't know what it's like there, but here but you don't have to disclose most conditions to an employer directly. We have OH (occupational health) companies that get all the details from you and just tell your employer 'he can do the job' or 'he can't do the job'. IBS and fatigue are not completely debilitating. Sure they make it hard but they don't prevent you from doing things, they just make it more challenging, so you should be able to get a job eventually. Get out the house and do something you know SHOULD be important. That will eventually help with the 'wasting' feeling.

there is no advantage to shaming someone for victimizing themselves. but is it good to tell them they are "entitled to be upset"? what generally happens when someone becomes handicapped in some way is that for a few days, a month at the most, they will be coming to terms with their condition, might bitch a bit, their close friends/family will help brainstorm solutions, and then life goes on. the only people you are entitled to victimize yourself around are the people you have earned some kind of endearing relationship with or those you pay to do just that.

I think it's dangerous to coddle people going through tough times, when someone starts victimizing themselves, if their reasoning is not reasonable or they do not show improvement, they need a good kick in the pants to get their shit in order. living through the idea of being a victim is not useful and should only ever be a transitory state.

I think I'm still in too deep for that. It's still a struggle to leave the house sometimes. Thanks for the help though user. Btw I'm Kent, you?

There is a distinct difference between coddling and being considerate.

Do: urge them to try new things, sell new methods, try to kick them into gear by way of suggestions. Open up options.

Don't: accuse them of hiding, self victimising, or 'kick in the pants'. For so many actual mental disabilities this kind of action is more likely to worsen their condition than get them out of it.

Tough love is a concept for normal people and children, not for people who are unable to control their emotions due to clinical issues. It's not coddling to avoid worsening their condition by approaching them differently.

Canterburger

You can do it. If you are anywhere near the Canterbury area and want a good start at a volunteering job that isn't too people centric, on your feet, busybody stuff, the Pilgrim's Hospices in Chartham has a 'eBay sales' section where they need computer literate people, as they get a lot of vintage stuff in donations and that is best for selling online. It will also give you some experience in research (as you sometimes have to scour through a lot of the internet to find a particular hallmarked pewter piece).

Godspeed user.

i'd say it's a case to case basis. some people respond well to diplomacy, others genuinely need to be hounded. i don't think there is a hard line in the sand created by the clinical diagnosis.

the world isn't black and white, it's not do's and dont's. it's always about playing it by ear and gradually increasing the risk you take with the person, from a low risk, they might do nothing, to high risk, they may react negatively, never see me again, and overall sink lower. the risk and rewards are intimately connected.

i think you are confusing the way you have to market yourself to people, your students and/or patients, and your choices in how to treat the people around you.

True enough it's case by case, but you should never open with the kick in the pants method. Not for people with GAD especially; moreso than depression GAD people have an exaggerated 'flight' when it comes to their fight or flight being triggered.

Gradual increase I can get behind, but never, ever open with the nuclear option in mental health.

OP you're right that a lot of people fake mental illness as an excuse not to do shit but unless you've been in the shoes of someone with real anxiety disorder you have no right to trivialize it. It's like saying people with cancer don't deserve to use it as an excuse to be sad because millions of people have it and you should just accept you were born with a genetic defect

Added bonus if you join that team and have any interest in cool old shit you will be swimming in it all day long. I swear of I didn't spend all my money maintaining animals is be such hipster trash.

Like one time in the warehouse I encountered one of these. Reenactment people pay through the nose for cool vintage wooden military and science stuff.

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partially agree. the whole this personal has clinically diagnosis "X" (GAD in this case) so you should "never" do this seems like the whole reason for the thread. there is no never, people need to have the self awareness not to put themselves in self destructive situations, it's not because you have been diagnosed that people that barely know you should act differently. some jobs/positions require the direct nuclear method, and it is the fault of the GAD diagnosed fuckhead for pretending to be able to deal with that environment.

it's not even a question of mental health by this point, it's a question of being able to trust your team. your reasoning suggests putting handicaps above their competition, you are advocating opportunity over qualifications.

why would you try to make a system where you try to control the behavior of everyone instead of augmenting the self awareness of the very few? that is terribly inefficient. and it is coddling.

gradual increase is meant to train people, or to be kind, so that's for when there is time for diplomacy. time is an investment. people should not make shitty investments, being kind to people who make their lives about their diagnosis is rarely worth it. people who have been diagnosed need to be aware of this, they are not entitled to special treatment, special treatment is earned.

>Being considerate of ALL people you don't know shouldn't be the default.
Ah I see. You're just an asshole.

because humans are considerate to all other humans they don't know. because that is a system that works, we all have personal cultures, strengths and weaknesses, loving yourself is the fastest route to loving others, being considerate is not as important as being self aware, and being considerate is just one sub tree of survival in human society, it is a show.

no person, group, business, or nation manages to be considerate to all humans by default. there are goals, inspirations, deadlines, dreams to meet and accomplish.

i am sorry that you feel the need to insult honesty, the world is full of opportunities, and there are no rewards without risks.

>people need to have the self awareness not to put themselves in self destructive situations
I.e. they should hide behind their diagnosis?

>your reasoning suggests putting handicaps above their competition
When did we start talking about competition and teams? This seems to be your hangup, nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

>why would you try to make a system where you try to control the behavior of everyone instead of augmenting the self awareness of the very few? that is terribly inefficient. and it is coddling.
People should default to not being shit to each other in general. It is not coddling.
>gradual increase is meant to train people
Which people with mental disability need. It's not coddling, it's necessary.
>people who have been diagnosed need to be aware of this, they are not entitled to special treatment, special treatment is earned.
Incorrect. FAIR treatment should be considered necessary in all kinds of disability. By your logic those who are diagnosed unable to walk should just avoid situations involving upper floors altogether, but instead others alter their structures to give access to these people (special treatment, not earned but given because not giving it would be unfair).

>i am sorry that you feel the need to insult honesty
I'm not insulting honesty. Your honesty is admirable, but the fact you are an asshole is not.

Special treatment for special circumstances is fair. Other user pointed out the wheelchair analogy. By your logic ramps and wheelchair width doors are coddling.

Be less of an asshole about an illness just because you can't see it.

oddly enough, there was this one day where i felt some weird whoosh and since that very fucking moment, i've never felt a buzz of fear in public or in any social situation.

i can feel the retarded buzz coming off of others, even from 30 feet when they spot me on the street, but that afternoon, about 12 years ago, it just ended within me. i haven't had any gay fear buzz for THAT long.

i swear... the moment i felt the "whoosh" feeling, it was like "now you're free". i was 30.

even without a large explanation, it should be plain that being considerate to all people really should not be the default, you would have to make your entire life, your profession, about that very way of acting to make it barely work and sustain you, and if people in general tried that lifestyle, the sheer competition would choke every one of them.

so maybe you are one of the few who can make their whole lives about being considerate, hopefully that makes you a happy and fulfilled person. it may prove useful for you to realize that most people have very little to gain and a whole lot to lose by following the same course.

but your post already showed that you do not embrace your own dream. you have no consideration for careful reasoning, strawman an arguement and insult the poster. so proving that self awareness is more important than politeness eh?

I didn't straw man a thing. Your argument was that you can't be considerate to everyone. Your argument is factually incorrect. You can, and not doing so is a choice. You choosing not to means you are an asshole. The fact that there are other assholes in the world does not in some way make you not an asshole.

Your 'careful reasoning' is an excuse for not fairly treating those with debilitating conditions because 'the world's not fair'. It's literally just an excuse. Nothing more.

You have nothing at all to lose from not being an asshole.

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wheelchair ramps are a marketing strategy. it's not about being kind to strangers.

everyone needs to be trained, no one is ever done learning, having the self awareness not to put yourself in destructive situations is not hiding behing your handicap, it's not showing up at a foot race in a wheelchair just to throw a fit and say you should be allowed the participate.

the term special is pure PR, it's just for show, everyone and their mothers can call anyone else special, go to different doctors, get different diagnosis, it is very rare for people to be consistently diagnosed as the same ailment from distinctly different sources, the few should not dictate how the many act.

but I have anxiety

>better terminology is required
It really doesnt mater. Both words were fine until it didnt got over used. If we were to rename real depression to, idk, realpression or something, the snowflakes would start to use that. No use...

>Wheelchair ramps are a marketing strategy
Actually they are considered a legal requirement in a lot of cases. Because discrimination against anyone based on disability is illegal, because apparently for people not to be assholes legislation is required because the world is so unfair people feel they can justify their own unfairness because of it.

Nobody is talking about foot races or business training. We are talking about not automatically resorting to being a dick to people. Which you can't seem to stop trying to justify.
>it is very rare for people to be consistently diagnosed as the same ailment from distinctly different sources
A non-fact that you pulled from your ass does not a convincing argument make. Clinical depression (not low mood, clinical depression as in severe chemical imbalance that has no situational triggers) is almost always corroborated by multiple sources. Blood tests, therapists. When is the last time you heard a doctor tell a wheelchair bound person 'well actually I think you're not suffering from that condition'?

Special circumstances exist, and just because you don't like that some teenagers playing the depression card are bullshitting doesn't mean you should default to the kick in the pants approach, because then you're being an asshole to some people and using other people's actions to try and justify your assholery

>the few should not dictate how the many act
This is incorrect, because without the few telling the majority not to be assholes about accessibility that legislation wouldn't be in place and assholes like you would have your way, and the world would turn to shit fast.

You're probably an ancap with your trains of logic about competition...

Jokes on you, I have a degree in gender studies.

I know this guy who plays the anxiety and depression cards for everything, usually as a way to get out of doing anything. I've had it with him ignoring us constantly because "muh anxiety" so I just dropped him from my life.

i'm starting to think you are larping, your responses are paradoxical, a moral compass which does not follow its own directive.

insults are not considerate, it's just showing you not to be capable of voicing your disagreement without verbal violence.

i won't say i'm not biased, when being the face of a company or representing any team, it is good to pretend to be considerate, when making decisions, it is responsible to weigh the risk and rewards.

social media and a lack of responsibility can make it appear otherwise. it may seem like always being considerate is an option, usually being considerate to any group will ostracize others, many competent workers will not work well with disabled ones, or at least the ones that choose to represent themselves under a specific clinically diagnosed condition. sometimes you prioritized the PR generated by hiring the handicaps, sometimes you prioritize your workers' efficiency. there is always investment, if you hold any position of influence, there comes times when you have to choose between being considerate to your followers or to your collaborators.

risk and rewards. human.

>insults are not considerate
I was considerate at first, I gradually developed into calling you an asshole because your responses got more entrenched into the mistreatment of those who are disabled.

>it may seem like always being considerate is an option
It is always an option. Choosing not to because of the actions of others doesn't justify it, it just makes you an asshole using them as an excuse.

You really can't excuse it though. You're doing exactly what this thread accused them of doing, hiding behind excuses. You could just as easily not default to tactics that are likely to harm them, but you choose not to. You choose to excuse your assholery with 'it's human nature'.

Newsflash, modern human culture is not human nature. We got here by overcoming nature. We will get further the more of it we overcome.

>usually being considerate to any group will ostracize others
No it will not. Anyone who choses not to work well with a disabled person is doing that to themselves. The disabled person is not impacting the other worker in any way. Their choice, their assholery. You choosing to not be considerate is choosing assholery based on the threat of others' assholery.

Excuses excuses excuses.

so choose who you pay, construction workers or lawyers. it depends on what sort of building or business you have, and discrimination against disability can also be discrimination against gross incompetence.

accessibility was voted on by representatives of the many, who earned their place.

I see you have stopped listening, I have never said going nuclear or kick in the pants was a default, just that some circumstances required the people in charge to take drastic measures on a semi frequent basis, and those circumstances should be avoided by those that cannot cope, aka the people who are diagnosed should be self aware enough, rather than expect people around them to walk on egg shells. it is considerate to tell people what a job entails, it is also efficient to do so, it is considerate to be self aware, it is also efficient. it is considerate and efficient to decline a position you cannot cope with. it is not considerate or efficient to change the workflow to acomodate the few who are basically identifying by their diagnosis. consideration is only a default when it converges with self awareness. otherwise it's censorship which will inevitably lead to greater problems down the road.

>All I said was depression isn't something unique and everyone has it to a degree, some worse than others.
This is what everyone says until they get depressed.

although I kind of agree, anxiety can stem from many deep rooted mental illnesses and diseases that can go unnoticed and get brushed off as just anxiety an entire person's life. I'm not going to be the person to try to sort out someone's right to anxiety because I wouldn't know where it actually comes from for them personally

never in my arguments did i state "oh others are doing it so why wouldn't i?". calling it excuses is straw manning. it is logic, for efficiency's sake. i see no point in which i have refrained or hidden because of my opinions.

i have tried to demonstrate the way i think, you may think me your enemy, and so it would be to your advantage to listen and listen well, you can only gain by understanding how your enemy thinks. i believe i have said everything i can to demonstrate my reasoning. it was an interesting exercise to chat with you, take care.

i do believe capitalism is human, i don't think people are unfair to each other, i think they always do logical things once you see what they have to protect, or what they have to gain. everything is conditional, even love of family is conditional on being in the state of mind that you embody around them, when being focused on another task, you are not actively loving them, minds can be studied like programs, there is always a reason for things to evolve the way they do. compassion is always useful, because we always have more to understand, consideration is not, because we have to be true to what our current objectives are.

thank you, and goodbye.

>I have never said it was a default
>Except right at the beginning of this discussion when we were both being courteous and you said "never open with the nuclear option" and I said "there is no never".

Your position is inconsistent and you decided to make it about business. That wasn't the topic. But even in business, it is unjust to take action that excludes based on disability, and if you are doing so, you are an asshole. Maybe it takes an asshole to run a business, I don't know, but you've literally demonstrated your assholery by changing the topic, denying points you made, all in an effort to not be considerate to people on first encounter (the thing I was talking about).

>otherwise it's censorship
Everyone talks about censorship like it is inherently bad. If TV had no censorship every parent in the world would pitch a fit. Censorship is a necessary compnent of civilisation.

>I do believe capitalism is human
Then you are poorly educated in anthropology.

>Never in my arguments
>even without a large explanation, it should be plain that being considerate to all people really should not be the default, you would have to make your entire life, your profession, about that very way of acting to make it barely work and sustain you, and if people in general tried that lifestyle, the sheer competition would choke every one of them
In summary
>I can't be considerate, because other people are inconsiderate.

Excuses.

for something to be a possibility (there is no never) is very different from something being the default response.

save all my posts. no inconsistency. doing something for something in return is overwhelmingly present in any study of anthropology.

thx again =P

fucking retard

thanks for quoting and showing your inability to read properly. if you follow the argument, it is actually "there is currently a niche for sustaining yourself with default consideration, although it is not a very profitable niche, the niche is there because few people do so, if every person tried that angle, there would be infinite supply and no demand, which would benefit no one".

so your summary is the very opposite of what is said. thanks for picking precisely the quotes which would show your intolerance to my reasoning.

i agree with you 100% OP.
also on the topic of panic attacks.
shit's been linked to vitamin deficiency and every damn time the soi boys who claim they get panic attacks eat a diet consisting of Mac n Cheese and instant ramen