Who wins?

Grain of sand vs. the observable universe is more fair to the grain of sand than this is to the marines.

Even mathsfags find it hard to comprehend a number so large. The next one to try is tree(3). It makes Graham's number look like 1 in comparison.

And I'd like to note, for everyone that's about to respond with a
>hur, dur, but graham cracker number is SOOOOO BIG
The marines could sustain an attack from an infinite number of ants. Indefinitely.

Fuck you guys are retarded. None of them win, that amount of mass in one area equals BLACK HOLE

Infinite fuel wins. Marines just spill it and no matter how many grahams number of ants, infinite fuel wins. Ants get washed away and cant reach marines cause of infinite fuel spill

>they just walk while firing
I don't buy it - wouldn't be enough to get out of the "dead zone" of zero oxygen

>BLACK HOLE
Nope. A black hole is completely dependent on the physical forces of our universe.
>Infinite flat plane
Since the rules state it is an infinite flat plane, there is no center of mass. Gravity on an infinite flat plane would always be perpendicular to the plane (z-axis) with no warping whatsoever. So unless there was sufficient mass stacked perfectly vertically, in a way that would compress downward without buckling, a black hole could never form.

Except that you, once again, like every single time, sem to think that the ants' matter simply ceases to exist when they get killed. The carcas buildup will cause tidal waves of ants eventually crushing the marines, over and over till the marines die.

Hell, with this many ants, the quantum effects of ants tunneling into the marines' brains is likely to also end up killing the marines before the marines have the time to kill all the ants off. Especially as specific counter to your stupid "hurr durr just make steel armor, me so brainz, nuh uh I won!" (The ants would, eventually, break through the steel barrier as well)

>the quantum effects of ants tunneling into the marines' brains
faggot

You are asserting things wtih no basis in the given scenario. Depending on the mass distribution of the ants and marines, a black hole could indeed form, and there is nothing in the given scenario to suggest that there should be a constant gravity in the z-direction.

>You are asserting things wtih no basis in the given scenario.
Except physicists run models on spaces with different dimensions than ours regularly. So we have a sound theoretical framework for forces (which could work, how they would change) for everything from single to dozens of dimensions. This is not hard to find, go read up on it if you're actually interested. But don't just assume that in this alternative universe, with very different rules, that some catastrophic aspect of our universe just happens to work there. Obviously OP would rule out the possibility of this happening.

With the conditions set forth, the Marines are undead. Don't know how that might effect the outcome, I see a 50/50 shot for both sides depending on a random element.

Win the piece of shit.

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the ants will detroy them while they are singing the national anthem

>number requires special arrow notation to express

The ants. That is so many ants. The sheer movement of the ants would probably create enough heat to kill everyone there anyway.

I didn't say it's impossible. I said you're asserting things without any proof. Nowhere in the OP's description does it say that gravity works as you described. Surely it's a macroscopically safe model, and is very intuitive in this sense, but like I said, it's an assertion.

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>I said you're asserting things without any proof
I didn't assert shit, asshole. You asserted that 'muh black hole' was gonna destroy everything. Without backing it up at all. And all I said is that makes no sense, given the mathematical models of an infinite 2d field. Which have a basis in sound theory.

>Nowhere in the OP's description does it say that gravity works as you described.
No shit. OP also didn't say "and fyi, none of your answers matter because the whole universe collapses into a black hole instantly". So maybe assume it doesn't, you dense motherfucker.

>Surely it's a macroscopically safe model, and is very intuitive in this sense, but like I said, it's an assertion.
And I'm gonna go ahead and assert that you're a retard. You act like a retard, you lack basic reasoning skills, and it's not outside the normal scope of Yea Forums, so it's a safe assertion. Unlike your assertion that a black hole just obliterates the whole hypothetical situation, therefore rendering this thread dead.

I'm not actually the black hole user, he's an absolute retard and I hope he never procreates, for all our sakes. I'm a different user playing the Devil's Advocate in saying that your claims are also not backed in any way.

(The crucial difference is that his claim of black holes would be very unlikely even if gravity worked as it does in our universe, unless the matter distribution of ants and marines is wacky. This means his claims aren't even worth considering.)

Bold of you all to assume the marines wouldn’t eventually make a mistake and die, they’re human so they’re eventually gonna fuck up

They march forward as they incinerate leaving ant ash behind them as dust. Much like the ants the marines will have legs too. And they will definitely advance toward the enemy.

Well then, it's pretty obvious by the fact that OP didn't say, "The universe immediately collapses, kek, /thread" that there's some from of physics other than our own in play. Because an infinite plane, if implemented under our physical model, would rip apart and collapse into multiple black holes for sure. All I did was reply to the retard that our physics are not in play because the universe exists, and here's a sound physical theory that could maybe explain what's going on. Only OP can clarify how it works, or you know, just say "Black holes aren't happening" because who the fuck really needs an explanation on this level for a simple hypothetical situation about a numerical conflict?

>make a mistake and die
Some might. But eventually they'll set up some sort of foolproof automated defense system. They could go for eternity letting it kill ants and focus on other, hopefully more interesting, things.

ITT people who don't have a math degree :3 It's so cute to watch you dorks argue

Are we not gonna address the fact that a googolplex flamethrowers all in a line would generate more than enough heat to kill the marines? I mean, not even the longest range flamethrowers we have would get that much flame a safe distance from the marines. I understand that it’ll kill the ants just as quickly, but Graham’s number is so much larger it’s seemingly infinite in comparison. Ants would win

Wouldn't that many ants form a singularity or something and quite literally break reality?

and what's to say that as the ants pile up the marines have to stay put? they could... i dunno... climb on top of the pile as it grows, as not to be buried?

>seemingly infinite

Seemingly infinite and infinite are 2 very different things

But the ebeny is ridiculously bigger than they are. The marines would be soon enveloped and destroyed.

Infinite plane is actually mentioned by the OP. As such, that aspect seems quite immutable.

Because they're in (essentially) two-dimensional space. Either they have to advance in every direction and eventually run thin and be destroyed, or they need to retreat from at least one direction, letting the slight variation in the ants' speed be the seed of their destruction. Especially bad is the sides whose tangents are perpendicular to their directional vector, as those will especially build ant waves.

OK - so assuming the ants don't do anything clever, and just crawl at the marines mindlessly forever....

A kilogram of ants is about 3.3 million ants, apparently.

The statue of liberty weighs 500,000 kilograms, give or take.

So lets surround each individual marine with 10 statues of liberty worth of melted ant matter, piling up all aroudn them, 360 degrees. Actually make it 1000 statues of liberty worth. fuck it, a million statues of liberty worth of melted, shifting, sinking ant matter, piled unimaginably high and completely unstable. For each marine.

.... and the ants just keep coming. Literally forever.

Without a doutbt the ants stomp the marines.

you're still implying that every single ant is gonna be in the same place at the same time to wage such an attack, which does not coincide with being 2d. the marines and ants are ON a 2 dimensional plane, that's not to say they ARE 2 dimensional. If it's possible for the ants to pile up, it's possible to climb on top of the pile. Just because the plane itself has no geographic features, doesn't mean that features can't be formed by corpses. Nobody needs to retreat, just fight and climb, it ain't that hard.

>/sci/fags not realising just how autistic they are

graham's number isn't infinite
marines have infinite fuel
therefore they could fire for a graham's number of hours and their flamethrowers would still have enough fuel to kill tree(3) ants and any bigger-than-the-universe but finite number of them

Marines win, fight is on infinite plane and fight one at a time dbz style.

Marines walk at a rate many many times that of ants. Ants have much shorter lifespans than marines. All the marines need to do is walk away from the ants till they die. Victory without ever so much as firing a shot.

>you're still implying that every single ant is gonna be in the same place at the same time to wage such an attack, which does not coincide with being 2d

Are you literally retarded? This is not what I'm saying at all. The point I'm making is that since the ants are more numerous and allthogether far more massive, the marines are enveloped by them on all sides. As they keep flamethrowering the ants, their corpses will inhibit the ants advance. This variation in the ants' speed (the ones behind those ants are pushing faster than the ones in front can move out of the way) will lead to cascading ant tidal waves crushing the marines. The marines can, of course, advance towards the ants in an effort to make it so the ants never reach the variable advancement rate zones, but only on one side, as in order to advance in one direction, they'll have to retreat in the opposite, since they are ridiculously outnumbered. In addition, since the marines need to keep constantly moving, they can't form their own anthill either.

if the marines are surrounded with those flamethrowers, if they themselves are in a circle formation, the ants would create mounds in a donut shape. as the donut gets larger, just climb the damn pile, the ants would eventually be fighting an uphill battle against the marines, with the bodies of their fallen being that hill. it's not that fuckin hard to understand. Kill, climb, repeat. when the hill gets tall enough, gravity would help level it out so it doesn't become too steep, and if the marines are already on top of that hill, there wouldn't be anybody below to get buried.

Your stupid I don’t make mistakes

how can a big but finite number of non armed beings overpower a comparatively smaller army with infinite ammo?

The ants, without a question.

Just to put things into perspective, a Googolplex is 10^10^100. Graham's number which is 3^3^3^…^3 can't be expressed as a power tower, even if every single particle in the universe was a digit.

Marines die hypoxia due to the walls of fire. Do you think you can just shoot a flamethrower forever with no consequences?

OP is stupid that pic is of gayass soldiers, learn your uniforms dickhead

A grahams number of ants would literally flood the marines to the point where they are crushed

That's why this thread is stupid... the uniform.

This is pussy shit. Tigers are faster than lions with a speed top speed 50mph vs 45mph in lions lion males are even slower.
On top of top of that the Chad tiger hits the gym with the average male weight being 600 with the heaviest recorded male being over 1000 lbs, on top of that they have a stronger bite.
The cuck lion is also shorter than the Alpha Tiger.
Manes are also for soy bois. They protect the neck when in fights and when fighting for control of a pride. Tigers need no such bitch armor.
Lions males have been know to get chucked by females and chased out of the pride for being useless, where as Tigers take no shit from bitches.
Lastly Tiger have bigger feet and we all know what that means.
Got I fucking hate lions, fucking useless shits.
They get hunted by humans for big game while Tigers hunt humans for fun.
In the past in India they would fight Tigers and lions. Guess which one always won, it wasn't the lion. Lions tend to bluff and try to scare opponents because they are scared of what peak performance looks like.

If on the other hand, you're talking about the ants being piled super high in the first place, tall enough to be a LIVING tidal wave that would crash into the marines, most of their numbers would die anyway from the weight of their brethren crushing eachother before they even get to the marines, so... ants still lose in the long run. This is all assuming you don't take into account that it's an infinite plane in each direction, and the likelihood of ants piling up on top of eachother instead of being one long, practically endless sheet of ants. The ants would more than likely be an endless sheet, not a huge mass coming at you. If that's the case, the hill theory is viable. Granted, by the time the marines were done, that pile would be an unfathomably large amount of times taller than everest, but it's still viable.

>ITT people who don't have a math degree :3
Hi, I've got a BSc in Pure Maths, and an MSc in Applied Maths.

A graham's number of ants would compress into a supermassive black hole and there would be no winner or loser.

Marines.
Why?
Marines, while barely qualifying, are still human and humans, even marines, can think beyond 'acquire food.' I know it's hard for marines in particular, but some of them can.
Equip every marine with a can of RAID. Problem solved.

Yes

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We’re smarter than you you N33T ass faggot. Go jack off to your sister while I fuck her

You can't keep advancing outwards forever, and no hill you create can withstand the eventual mountain of ants you are going to build with their corpses. (Or more specifically, the antslides down those eventual mountains).

That too

Even with googol marines, that's more than 1 person per ant.

stick
stick always wins

>Infinite flat plane
>You can't keep advancing outwards forever
Pick one

You can't keep advancing outwards forever, because eventually the marines will be stretched too thin and, if continued, will be each alone against ants from all sides. At that point they will easily die.

Earth Defense Force assemble!

You're* retarded.

>THIS IS DE-202 READY FOR AIR RAIDERS

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Ants dominate

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A number bigger than there are electrons in the universe versus a number you can actually write down hmmm tough one

I’d like to see you write a googolplex out... we get it’s large but infinity is much larger and that’s how much time they have, with tools that will last that long as well and while Graham’s number is big, infinity is infinity. It will take them no time at all, relative to infinity, to burn all the ants.

If the marines advanced with two lines facing back to back, with one side covering the front and the other covering the back, wouldnt it be possible to overcome the possibility of the ants piling up and crushing the marines?

Infinite time doesnt mean infinite ability to kill ants.
The circle cant expand forever, so the bottleneck is ant body piles.
And that's ignoring heat concerns

The only purpose of this thread is to point out the people who can't grasp how incredibly vast Graham's number is.

The vastness is irrelevant if its a finite number and there are no bottlenecks.

But there are many bottlenecks

saying it's irrelevant only prooves you can't grasp it. Can one person survive if, say, the entire planet turned into a ball of ants? How about if the universe filled with ants? And this ratio is still nothing compared to the ratio of Graham's Number to a googleplex

Your examples all have built in bottlenecks.
We dont disagree

Ill expand, in the ant planet scenario the bottleneck is the marines innability to keep a clear perimetre,since the ground is literally ants. They'll fall in and die

Im the ant universe scenario its the same problem, but the marine is already inside the mass. They die

Op gave us a scenario where the ants are spread out in a 2d fashion, ie not walking on top of eachother

Continued

In ops scenario the marines start with a clear perimetre

Their challenge is to move in such a way as to not create bottlenecks like ant piles, ant tidal waves

Thats assuming there arent other intrinsic bottlenecks like insanity. I think we can assume there arent because op said they dont breath, eat, etc
Either way if we dont assume that then it will be over quickly

they all collapse into a black hole
doesn't matter what you pick

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They arent dense enough, theyre spread out side by side/end to end

Googolplex = 10^10^100.

Graham's number = 3^3^3^…^3^3, where the ellipsis represents more 3s than could fit in the univese if every 3 took up 1 Planck unit.