Let's say you have two farmers, farmer Dale owns a cow, and tonight he's going to slaughter and eat the cow for dinner. He doesn't have to, to survive, he does it by choice. Next door, you have farmer Buck. Buck also has a cow and tonight he's planning to rape it.
If you believe eating meat is morally acceptable, give an argument for why farmer Dale gets to kill and eat his cow, but Buck doesn't get to rape his.
Why do you still eat meat, murderer?
(((nutrients)))
I think I'd rather see a cow be fucked than be killed. But I'm not sure what your point is here.
Im asking why you dont eat something else than meat, its disgusting and wrong.
Simple. The cow would have to live with the nightmare of being raped.
What is the difference between eating animals and eating plants?
What does that have to do with bestiality?
Are you attracted to cows?
why not both? fuck them then kill them and eat them? you can also milk them while you have them. win-win-win.
You need meat to be healthy and if you don't think so it's because you're retarted from not eating meat.
Because it tastes great.
You know what, OP... you're fucking right.
I've been eating meat all this time, but never, EVER did I think about it from your perspective. There's just no sound reasoning to accept the killing of a cow but not the raping of one.
Make cow rape legal!! MAKE RAPING COWS LEGAL! I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LEGALLY RAPE MY COW!
Sorry I can't hear you I'm too busy eating my CHEESEBURGER YUMYUMYMJMYMYMYMYM
>OP: *tries to show killing animals is wrong*
>OP: *justifies bestiality*
There is no difference other than the value one places on them. They are both a life form that must be ended in order to sustain ours.
Animals feel unnecesary pain when they are eaten. It inflicts horrible suffering on them when they are killed
cope harder meatlets
just accept you are a psyco that likes eating dead animal flesh
Because fucking an animal is an abusive act on a loving thing that will continue to live after the act is complete and as long as farmer Dale isn't making the cow suffer during it's life on the farm and kills it quickly and humanely, I have no quarrel with Dale. The nigger has a cow, what do you expect him to eat? The grass in his yard?
All of that is speculation. I believe that vegetables feel more pain than animals so we shouldn't eat them. Prove me wrong
They don't feel any pain with a quick bolt to the head. It's an insta-kill that is quicker than the synapes can send a pain signal to the brain. On the other hand, it's been proven that plants know when they're being eaten.
Retards posting again.
Can't you just fuck the cow until its old enough to kill?
Well what do we eat then smarty pants? Air?
Plants dont scream when you eat them
Go test that on your mom first.
so you support the murder of innocent animals?
My mom died from laughing at your tiny dick.
>baby's first debate
So support the murder of an inocent plant? How can you kill so many cucumber and tomatoe plants every year user? You're a monster.
>comparing eating meat to fucking it
lmfao this is next level retarded
They are not conscious thus they dont suffer from it. Its the best option we have, you look like a fucking clown at this point
Of course they don't scream, you monster. They can't! To answer your question, we must only eat meat since they suffer less.
>Of course they don't scream, you monster. They can't! To answer your question, we must only eat meat since they suffer less.
your mom should have aborted you
Animal protein have a certain type of amino acid that you dont get from beans or whatever other vegan thing you try to get it from.
Also vegans and vegetarians have hella deficiencies of certain vitamins. Faggots
Who fucking cares, all animals are fodder as far as Im concerned. Dogs, cats and other pets get a pass, but who cares. Kill shit and eat it. Life goes on. Fuck your morals and you soft heart. Gonna go grab a philly now.
Hope you die faggot
enjoy dying early due to the negative effects of a meat only diet faggot
>certifiably incorrect info regarding nutrition
>claims to not care but gives pets a pass
>calls everyone faggot
We got an imbecile on our hands.
I just want to say I eat meat but recognize what you said as completely retarded.
Only when there isn't a single child on this planet that's not hungry will i start giving a shit about animal "rights"
don't expect internal consistency and facts from this special kind of idiot
Wow you don't know anything about philosophy, ethics OR science. Incredible.
>your mom should have aborted you
Spoken like a true, murder-happy vegan.
Just shameful...
well hooray you for being such a big hard alpha
pretty sure that the meat consumption of affluent nations is only going to contribute to mass hunger in the future so feel good about it yo
not self councious = ez kill
i get the entire "hurr durr but innocent, it did you nothing" thing, but honestly, i'd rather eat the son of a bitch than eat plants the rest of my life. leaving the "muh nutrients" argument behind, its actually important we keep the cows in check, because if you havent heard of ecosystems before, it benefits both the cows and us
You're not smart, but nice try attempting to appear so.
medicalnewstoday.com
webmd.com
Go do some research faggot
ayy lmao
2 random webpages you got from google are not proper research.
How do you know they dont suffer?
Are you a plant?
I'm pretty sure you can go fuck yourself
even a half-hearted go at google will reveal more on the opposite side of your argument - so yes everyone should research
no but you are are, you Ruskie shit stirring bitch
enjoy your rubles from the IRA
I dont even eat much meat, it goes bad too quickly or I leave it frozen and it gets shitty
But why should give a shit about practically brainless animals when there are plenty of little nigger babies dying cause they cant get food or sand niggers blowing each other up?
I definitely think the first world should consume less meat, but arguing about to a bunch of mouth breathing virgins on a singaporean bead-threading message board is quite possibly the most useless thing you could do to further your "cause"
hahaha good argument yo
that, is how you know you've won a debate
>you are are
Do vegans that unironically use this argument (unlike this b8) think that somehow describing eating meat as the most metal thing ever is a bad thing?
Take your argument to its logical conclusion and you end up not giving a shit about anything because there's always something worse?
That's just ethical laziness, a real cop out
he is so much, he is it twice
I dont think the cow would mind tho
it is just bait, no vegans actually think you are a psycho if you eat meat
At worst, vegans who evangelise are just hoping you will reflect on ethical matters instead of ignoring them
searching on google isnt documentation. asking an actual doctor irl and looking through official research is documentation. jesus, youre like any other "im original" brainlet on the internet. in your struggle to look smart, you actually reveal just how dumb and insecure you are in your endless retarded flailing on the internet. after this thread dies, can you even say or point out anything that you changed? other than some people arguing with you cuz theyre bored, no one even looked twice at your meaningless "muh animals" thread.
pack your bags lads, this guy would be even more pissed if he didnt get the attention he wants
Mmm cow anal, Is that a thing? fuck a cow up the ass, then cook it up and eat it? is there satisfaction in that? sucking down a savory dripping steak that you fucked up the ass only hours before? is that a fetish? can it be?
I just said what I give a shit about and what I dont. You can hypothetically apply what you think my argument is, but that doesnt reflect anything more than your thoughts
Humans are more important than animals, and it bothers me that so many push for veganism when theres people suffering worldwide. How about you put that much energy in solving America's homeless problem? You help me solve that and I'll help you convert more vegans. Deal?
Animals don't suffer either when you send a 1/2inch steel bolt straight through their skull into the brain.
Plants may not have a brain and central nervous system but they certainly know when they are being eaten/attacked and have many reactions to these type of stimuli. Physical pain isn't the only way a lifeform can suffer.
In the circle of life, one life form or another will end up dying to perserve the life of another. Nothing wrong with that.
Just wanted to let you know that actually cows aren’t even killed anything like that. A beef cow actually goes through a whole process that you can see here youtu.be
You're entitled to whatever opinion you may want OP. however, I feel that we all are given the same and equal entitlement you have to put whatever the fuck we want in our bodies regardless of what you say.
if I want to eat meat, then I'm going to eat meat.
your opinion can not and will not dictate what I want.
Fuck You OP
just offer your delicious boypucci and I'll spare the cow... for now
t.Buck
Do you believe plants have intrinsic value
hahahaha what a faggot, no one was trying to change shit. I literally do no care about you faggots. My point was simply I do not care about "murdering poor animals for meat", as evident in my first post.
You can be vegan, vegetarian or eat turds for all I care. Your life matters not to me. I just hate you faggots who try to guilt people who eat meat. It's fucking trash. Meanwhile in africa and the middle east, there is legit genocide of HUMANS going on... where the fuck is your save the humans post? Hell we even got bug zappers that slaughter billions of bugs a year, what about them? They have feeling dont they?
All of you are faggots and just let it sink in the millions of people eat meat and have been since the beginning of time. It will never stop, EVER, We will always eat meat. threads on /b, protest, dumb ass ads or whatever dumb bullshit you faggots waste your time on, will not work, EVER. Dont change my narrative dickhead, I aint trying to convert any of you faggots. Keep eating your lentils and beans. I could fucking care less. Just stop trying to convert and/or guilt people. It'll never work. Meat is delicious especially when paired with a complex carb and a leafy green veggie.
Fucking sandal wearing faggot
im not on the vegtards side, the guy is just a brainlet, and this thread is going to shit anyway
nice work getting riled up on me while the vegtard is keking at the other guys that defend eating meat. its the same as with the flat earth guys, ignoring them is the best solution
You vegan nerds cry about walking beef factories being eaten, but have no problem skinning a banana alive and deep-throating it to death. Heartless fiends.
ngl, getting deepthroated to death sounds like a pretty good way to die
Damn that looks delicious
Fruit looks pretty good too
So you can't care about both? Why the fuck not?
I might as well say that I can't give a fuck about homeless people whilst there's still animals being killed, so once you've stopped all animal meat killing then I'll give a fuck about America's homeless problem. deal?
And by the way you Americans would help your homeless problem a lot if you stopped electing right-wing pieces of shit
It’s tasty and we need it for our survival
this is ethically lazy, but I'm sure you know and are proud of it
since when is homelessness a talking issue in a vegtard vs normal fags thread?
when that dipshit brought it up as some kind of qualifying reason why he literally can't care about animals
You can definitely care about both, but again, if all your energy goes to one thing it's hard to imagine you dont value the lives of animals more than people. And that is madness
But yeah, agree with you on that. America could easily be a Utopia if it wasnt so fucking retarded
Since I brought it up, cuck. Why dont you go back to the bbc thread? They were asking for you
hey man chill out, we get it, vegans make you feel guilty
there's a reason why it makes you feel guilty, but keep on ignoring it and getting angry instead
well, reading his comment makes sense. you seem so keen to make everyone eat grass, how about you channel that into getting homeless people jobs and a place to live? he never mentioned politics, karen, get off his back
Fucking cows is not agains the law .... depending on the shithole you are living
nah mate, im on nofap, gotta stay strong to properly eat that meat
I wouldn't assume that vegans are directing all their energy at veganism - and the point is to value animals AS WELL as people, it's not a zero sum game and if you are ethically concerned about animals chances are you are ethically concerned about a number of things.
I respeck that
well if you agree with it as a talking issue stop fucking complaining about it then idiot
uh-oh, found the Proud Boy
You raise a compelling argument, bestiality SHOULD be legal...
What a wonderful question OP! I'm going to go fuck some cows now!
>If you believe eating meat is morally acceptable, give an argument for why farmer Dale gets to kill and eat his cow, but Buck doesn't get to rape his.
You know, thats what I love about fish. you can fuck it and eat it afterwards. And if you look the fish in the eyes, with his mouth wide open, he's basically asking for it
I think you can just hang yourself and mind your own fucking business. Do not go around telling people what to eat. You're not better than anyone you literal soyboy cuck.
What kind of fucking sperg are you?
>Why do you still eat meat, murderer?
Because it tastes good.
Also these aren't wild cows. If I wouldn't eat that steak, the cow would have never been bred, so yes, the cow dies because of me, but it also get's born because of me. In my opinion a short life is better than no life at all. So I'm doing the cow a favor
I didn't see anything in that post about eating meat only.
Why isn't this thread about helping homeless? Why aren't you shaming people for not helping the homeless? Why isn't it a big trend to help homeless people? Why aren't there groups and fb pages and youtube channels about helping the homeless? There are, but they're not as big as the vegan ones
And most importantly, why do vegans still buy shit like quinoa and avocados despite the import of those foods being a burden to the native peoples where those things are most grown?
the more things change, the more they stay the same:
You know, I once ate vegan for a whole month. French fries with ketchup every fucking day. I felt so disgusting, I could feel my heart hurting. Since then I've never eaten vegan again. This shit can kill you
See you already fucked up your own argument, imo buck has every right to rape his cow.
I still wanna know where we get to fuck the cows at.
The cow is product. Product can be eaten by the owner I'd they choose. One owner decides to better their diet by eating it, the other decides to mate with it because he's a brainless fucktard.
That’s trippy. Do you have the same picture without the retarded virtue signaling text?
because you feel ashamed does not mean people are trying to shame you
that's the key I think
But to answer your question in order:
Dunno, ask OP - I don't shame people for anything - it is - there are - awareness, probably
that's just eating shit, don't bring vegan into that shitshow of a diet
Well, because to help homeless people you would to put actuall effort into it. To live vegan you just need to learn a few new recepies
What is wrong with you amifag. How far away are you from Realität
I bet the average vegan does more for homeless charities than all the sperglords using them as a false equivalence
This was a response to the: Eating meat will kill you post. Just saying that eating vegan can also kill you
>ate vegan for a month
>greasy fast food and sugar loaded condiments
That is not what virtue signaling is you mong.
One is for the sustenance of others. Im sure he wont have to eat it now but later he could. Also they are put down quickly now, while raping the cow would be seconds of hell for the animal
Eating anything 'can' kill you - it's a stupid argument on any side
I don't.
I don't call individuals who eat meat murderers, though. They're just indoctrinated from birth and then too lazy to come to terms with the ramifications of their actions.
It's like a colony of ants. There isn't really any thinking going on. It's just a mechanical murder machine.
The only irritating thing are some of the childish rationalizations, such as
>nature is metal, bro
I bet not.
fuck me, someone spouting sense for a change
I guess I'd be winning that bet
Go to any vegan rally and you'll see. Everyone there is really civically minded and does a ton for their community. Veganism is generally associated with being empathetic and aware of the suffering of others.
Was it vegan or not?
I did this because someone I knew always bragged about how healty vegan food is compared to meat.
And the results are clear. Eating vegan does not imply eating healthy
yup, been to some - not vegan myself, but it's a positive environment
>Eating anything 'can' kill you - it's a stupid argument on any side
Thats the joke...
No sane person would be so stupid to think eating french fries every day is somewhat healty, I just used it to show how absurd this kind of argument is
Just ate lunch. Went to Chic-fila. Had a Grilled Cool Wrap(40g of protein btw), some grilled nuggets and a cup of fruit. Shit was lit
>[Citation Needed]
a proper balanced vegan meal will be healthier than a proper balanced meat meal. But of course there is junk food that does have meat and junk food that does not have meat.
either way, the potential health benefits are nothing to do with the ethical reasoning
that's nice man, just as long as you aren't getting annoying imagining what some theoretical vegans think about it
Animals eat each other
>If you believe eating meat is morally acceptable, give an argument for why farmer Dale gets to kill and eat his cow, but Buck doesn't get to rape his.
We don't need moral reasons, we have legal ones
But to play along with your lauded question a good one would be that death is painless and distressless for the animal in a working system, rape presumably wouldn't be and would distress the animal to some degree
I'd also argue that most people wouldn't want to eat a cow with spunk in it's system
Did typing that give you a boner?
Yeah, posting it here is you dipshit
>i worked at a slaughterhouse
>after 1st year was promoted
>promoted to stunner
>killed 10's of thousands of animals
> lamb's scream the loudest
>cows actually cry
>pigs scream like humans
I have to randomly kill an animal at least 5 times a year to satisfy my lust of killing.
If that job paid more, I would still be there
Because its legal and i can buy it easily. Have you stopped wearing jeans or shoes though they are made by sweat shops? Or how about using your phone where rare metals are used that came from slave labor? Your conditions of right and wrong are a joke, with 8 billion people on earth i dont see the point in any argument.
not necessarily vegan. depends on how the french fries were cooked.
the person you knew was most likely referring to a proper meal and not junk food. Just so happens that the healthiest kind of meals are vegan
>a proper balanced vegan meal will be healthier than a proper balanced meat meal.
Feel free to provide a citation for this. Because I don't believe you.
I bet that two identical people who have the same diet, except for one day a week the one eats a piece of meat, while the other one doesn't, wouldn't have any notable health difference between them.
Sure if you eat only meat it's unhealthy, but eating only one thing every day will nearly always be unhealthy
Oh fuck. This changes everything. The entire logical foundation upon which my veganism is based has been shaken. Why, oh why had I predicated my morals on animals not eating each other?
Vegan engineer here. Shitposting from the office right now. Suck my dick, poor meatfags.
>implying i think raping cows is immoral
>i wouldnt personally but i wouldnt kink shame either
>implying eating plants isnt murder
>implying im going to eat like a trillion tofus to get the same amount of protein i get from a steak
>implying murdering plants and animals isnt the tastiest form of murder
Checkmate, veggietard.
>My life is so sad I need to shitpost on Yea Forums to feel better about myself and project about income
OK then
But what if the animal likes it? Then it's not abuse, correct? What if instead of slaughtering the animal I had sex during its heat cycle?
That still is not virtue signaling.
Do you work in retail or in construction?
>Just so happens that the healthiest kind of meals are vegan
Are they? Because I've read some studies on that subject, and the most important difference they found was that people who live vegan usually have a healthier diet (because they care more about their diet). But every study I've read, wasn't able, when factoring this in, to find a statistically significant difference in health between people who eat meat once or twice a week and those who don't.
Also your claim is basically unprovable, because you can't test the healthieness of a single meal (because there is no study design that would be possible to implement to measure it). You can only make general statements about diets
Try it, you xeno bastards. I'll eat your asses raw.
It's not enough to make me vegetarian or anything but the only thing that I don't like about killing animals is the how they're kept/treated when they're alive.
Animals are not of equal value to people. If you believe in evolution, then you must understand that humans have evolved past all other life forms on earth, and by rules of nature are therefore entitled to do as we please. Even if you're a religious fundimentalist and don't beleive in evolution, you at least believe that God created humans as a superior being to all life, and are therefore the rules and masters of the beasts they have dominion over.
Cats torture animals for fun; they don't need to, but they like ripping legs and wings of mice and birds and playing with them as they spasm in pain. They don't even eat them afterwards.
Are cats immoral in your eyes?
You aren’t some crazed madman or sociopath that needs to kill, you’re just addicted to it. In order to kill, humans need a rush of endorphins.
They aren't.
Anyone arguing for or against a vegan diet for health reasons alone simply doesn't know what they're talking about.
"Healthy" is a generic shitfest of a term that benefits nobody, all you can ever do is compare two diets for the same person, which is why studying diet is so hard. The best evidence we have for diet relating to health is from life expectancy of people generally unexposed to standard western diets, and from that, almost all of them are plant-based but include some small amount of meat and fish. Pic related
Cause I'm a fucking man. I fuck women not your gay trap shit. I wont worship niggers and will take the cow home myself after I rack its brain with my 30/30. Die vegan shit.
LARP harder faggot
>then you must understand that humans have evolved past all other life forms on earth,
No. The ants make up the most biomass on the planet. So have they evolved past all other life forms?
No because there is no end goal of evolution, and no order. A life form can just be fit for their environment or not. For example house cats or dogs, are very well evolved for the niche they take.
No single creature is more or less evolved than any other, you are just more or less fitted to the environment
With this stupid statement you just proven that you don't understand shit about evolution
Hahahaha win
I never was a hunter until I worked there. Now I hunt deer (rifle and bow), small game, and water fowl.
Your right, I know I'm addicted. There is a major rush when you watch the eyes of something you kill go still. Yoy would have to experience it to know what I'm talking about.
Yea it is. There’s nothing inherently good about not eating animals, to others your “good morals” are bad morals.
don't believe me if you don't want to, but you can easily find the evidence if you want to look for it
if you only eat meat once a week then sure, the difference will be small, but then, one might as well just give up eating meat at all.
I propose unethical veganism. You live vegan, but every week you go out and murder some animals
>No single creature is more or less evolved than any other
You better stop brushing your teeth then, because you're committing a genocide against billions of life forms every single time you do. You don't have to, either, you choose to do it to look good and smell good.
Or, could it be, human interest is more valuable that inferior life forms?
> Russian troll here. Agitating from the IRA office right now. Marvel at my amazing skills in escalating differences, fags
>basic hygiene is murder
Please don't give them any more ideas.
if you're only eating meat once or twice a week then you are almost vegan and might as well go the extra tiny step
Post timestamp pic or that's bullshit
You don't know what virtue signaling is.
The morality doesn't matter, morality comes into effect in terms of what one "can't" do when you get caught by law enforcement.
those bacteria had a life, why did you kill them? Just so your breath didn't smell bad?
Dude you seem to understand even less about evolution than I already thought.
Humans are evolved to be social. Meaning to humans, human interests will always be more valuable than the interests of any other species.
Let me give you an example. Nearly all mamals hare genetically hardwired to try to protect their offspring. Thats why the scream of a baby is so annyoing, and you want it to stop.
A spider for comparison does not resemble any human traits, making us not care about them.
Thats evolution in action.
Guess what, wolves care about other wolves more than they do about sheep. Humans care more about other humans than about wolves. Because it is an evolutionary advantage for your race to survive
well, you're doing a good job of doubling down on your lack of understanding, I'll give you that
Go to bed, Morrissey.
So if I'm international waters where I can't be prosecuted, and I murder someone, it's not immoral because there are no laws to enforce it?
Not a vegan by any means, but that argument is weak.
>might as well go the extra tiny step
Nope, I try to only eat meat sparsely, but when I eat I really enjoy it. A Lamb steak is just so fucking good, I don't want to miss it
Not an answer, faggot.
Meat is tasty, based and redpilled.
Bestiality is disgusting, cringe and bluepilled.
I have experienced it. It’s a very sick and guilty twisted pleasure that is hard to describe, something almost impossible to feel in any other circumstances.
>Bestiality is disgusting, cringe and bluepilled.
So if i fuck my dog, will I end up in the matrix?
In the end it comes down to this:
-If there is a god then there are morals and thus moralfagging matters
-If there is not a god then there are no morals and moralfagging doesn't matter UNLESS a higher power (government) says "moralfag or we arrest you"
Seems like the latter
It's a social thing to have a barbecue with my family; in fact, it's so commonplace where I'm from that if you're not even part of the community if you refuse to go to barbecues, and we eat shittons of meat there.
I can't even tell what side you're arguing; your response reads like you're agreeing with me. Human interest IS more valuable than all other forms of life, therefore, since eating meat is in human interest, it is perfectly acceptable. That's what I'm arguing.
Oh you actually want an answer?
Then no, that is not the case
Fuck now I want a good meaty boorger
Read Kant you armchair philosopher.
I'm not going to try and convince anyone who eats so little meat, but for myself - a nice taste doesn't outweigh the ethical considerations.
>Human interest IS more valuable than all other forms of life, therefore, since eating meat is in human interest, it is perfectly acceptable.
Not the guy you are responding to, but both of your premises here are flawed.
It’s funny because you don’t know what virtue signaling is, and it’s completely self explanatory. Expressing an opinion intended to demonstrate good moral standing on a particular issue. Your morals aren’t universal, stop being a faggot and look at things objectively instead through your libtard lense.
Yes, human interest is superior to other life forms. If you want me to stop eating meat, you have to convince me why it's not. Otherwise, I'm going to eat a big rack of ribs tonight, and sleep soundly without a hint of guilt in my heart.
eh, I thought we figured out that belief in God and morals are not mutually dependable a couple of hundred years ago?
What are you gonna do when it's discovered that plants can feel pain? The smell of freshly cut grass is the grass warning the other grass that it's under attack. That would suggest some form of consciousness. Plants esperience their surroundings. We mostly can't interpret or even pick up on it because we're so vastly different, so it very well may be that plants experience pain and express it in ways we don't understand
I can get all my nutrients I need from
meat in one sitting and not worry about starving whereas you have to eat throughout the day to get all the nourishment that
I got from one steak. You should ask yourself
better are factory farms morally acceptable?
They aren't I disagree with them. I have
hunted most of my meat for 25 years and agree that
animals should experience no suffering
that's why I make sure they have no
recollection of said suffering by shooting
most of them in the head.
>having opinions on ethics is virtue signaling.
Plato = virtue signaling
Aristotle = virtue signaling
Jeremy Bentham = virtue signaling
Anyone ever who considered ethics = Virtue signaling.
You're retarded.
Why are you fantasizing about cows getting raped OP? Are you trying to tell us something?
Im arguing for no side, I'm just calling out the bullshit about evolution.
Also, while sure the fact that you want to be part of the community which gets you to go to the BBQ is because of evolution, the fact that you eat meat isn't, at least not in the biological sense (you could argue about sociatal evolution, but thats a whole different topic).
Fact is, if you wanted you could also bring your grillcheese to the BBQ (Which I often do, because grillcheese is freaking awesome). The fact that we do BBQ is because humans like meat, but thats a very weak argument, because Humans also like Cocaine.
If you wan't to know, I am not vegan, I eat meat at least once a week. I don't think there is anything wrong with eating meat (exactly for the evolutionary reasons I've given), but I also can understand why people think it's unethical.
Especially when you've been to the butcher, you surely feel sorry for these animals (which is mostly because many mamals are closely related to humans, which triggers our don't hurt humans complex, even if it's not as strong as with real humans)
Vegans are subhuman and OP is a nigger
SAGE
For something to live, plant or animal, something has to die, plant or animal. That's the trade-off of nature. It keeps the balance
> Weed and Bernie in pic.
Careful not to cut yourself being this edgy.
You retard if you don't eat cow then you won't keep them caged and reproduce them so regularly. ES argument is bs
nah, it isn't just because you think it is
I think you're confused, no-one here is demanding that you stop eating meat, just that you stop defending it with falsehoods and flawed logic
I, like most other people in society, believe that Farmer Dale has a good enough reason to kill his cow, whereas Farmer Buck does not have a good enough reason to rape his cow.
They are doing different things and for different reasons, which is why farmer Dale gets to kill and eat his cow, but Buck doesn't get to rape his.
starts with incorrect assumption and then drifts off into some kind of barely coherent poem
Good effort tho
You’re either a troll or an actual fucking idiot, it’s not my fault you can’t read the dictionary.
he doesn't know what it means, just heard an incel complaining about it once or something
>bring your grillcheese to the BBQ
That would be humiliating and people would laugh at me if I brought something like that to a BBQ and refused to eat meat.
>The fact that we do BBQ is because humans like meat, but thats a very weak argument
All human societies have groups of men who socialize over the hunting and consuming of meat.
>Humans also like Cocaine
Cocaine is bad for you, meat is healthy and our teeth and bodies are evolved to both chew and digest it. We are not evolved to use cocaine.
>Especially when you've been to the butcher, you surely feel sorry for these animals
No, it's the opposite. The more time you spend butchering animals, the less you try and personify them as fellow humans. Most of human's love for animals comes from the fact that we view them as human babies and project our parental instincts onto them.
Both should be able to do whatever they want to their own property.
>That would be humiliating and people would laugh at me if I brought something like that to a BBQ and refused to eat meat.
lmao you fucking wuss.
raping the cow makes him a sexual degenerate. This will only escalate.
Stuff like this, if accepted by society spreads quickly and this degeneracy consumes valueable resources from every single person.
People will thing about pervert sexual acts neglecting important stuff. Like children or so.
Its just one more drug, so to speak.
If you dont get it, you are clinicly retarded.
yep and you can live by feeding off plants only, no problem
no need to tip the balance the wrong way by buying cheap pre-packed meat patties from Walmart, that's not so natural.
If you use laws to define your morality, yes. Laws dictate punishment for what is deemed in both public and federal consciousness "wrong".
>He doesn't have to, to survive, he does it by choice
your bias is way too easy to spot, kid.
We need meat to live, that's it.
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> no-one here is demanding that you stop eating meat
>no-one
Lol, yeah, sure. OP was totally not the least bit interested in trying to convert people to veganism and get them to stop eating meat, he was just here calling out bullshit.
thats a shit explanation
see for an explanation from a person at least 30IQ points above you.
1 - you're a wuss then
2 - doesn't make it ethically right
3 - how is cocaine bad for you? probably no worse than meat
4 - lack of empathy is not a desirable trait
there is no objective moral.
So if you consider killing that person not immoral. Well then its not immoral.
Too much empathy isn’t a desirable trait either.
So how bout if Dale ties Buck down and fucks him in the ass. Then Buck slaps Dale around a little while Dale sucks him off. When they are both completely spent, they kill both cows and grill up some burgers. There..wasn't that easy?
Dude. I'm sorry you are a moron.
First off in signaling theory - the biological study the term comes from - there is nothing inherently pejorative about virtue signaling. Christian or religious fasting is a virtue signal. It is a *symbolic* gesture showing one's commitment to something. Discussion of ethics is not a virtue signal.
again you are retarded.
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>That would be humiliating and people would laugh at me if I brought something like that to a BBQ and refused to eat meat
Your are an enormous faggot user.
Nobody likes hipsters because they just want to be special, yes.
But for instance, if you dont drink alcohol or care about sugar. You should be going with that. If someone laughs at you because of this, he is just an abomination. But apparently you are one yourself.
I usually ask vegetarians for their reasons, those are usualy gay as you. But if someone acctually has a valid reason for himself, I could respect that.
>That would be humiliating and people would laugh at me if I brought something like that to a BBQ and refused to eat meat.
How can one be so insecure?
>All human societies have groups of men who socialize over the hunting and consuming of meat.
And? Meat tastes great and especially before the agricultural revolutions, meat was by far the best income for nutrition. Today this isn't the case anymore, as we basically are able to produce any food at an industrial level
>meat is healthy and our teeth and bodies are evolved to both chew and digest it.
No humans are evolved to be able to eat nearly everything (except for cadavers). Which is actually a reason humans are so well fit and so successful as a species. Humans can live nearly anywhere and live of nearly anything.
>We are not evolved to use cocaine.
we are kinda, we weren't evolved to take cocain, but we can take it as a result of our evolution, if we weren't our body wouldn't be able to do anything with these substances.
>fact that we view them as human babies and project our parental instincts onto them.
Yes, you know why? Because mamals are quite closely related to humans which triggers our genetically hardwired reflexes to protect them. Again evolution in action. The butcher who kills them every day has learned by mere exposure to overcome his instincts.
As I said I don't think there is anything unethical with eating meat, but, if it's the natural state of humans to dislike murdering animals, you can make the argument that we as a society agree that it is bad, and therefore unethical. I don't think it's a strong argument but better than anything you put forward
1-Societies have standards for masculinity. If you fail to meet them because you're too pussy to eat something that's healthy for you, it's YOU who are the failure and you deserve to be ridiculed.
2- No it doesn't, but all humans doing it instinctively and without prompting is a very strong case it its favor. You need to proved stronger evidence to suggest that this perfectly natural, universally socially acceptable human behavior is immoral
3- Cocaine causes, severe headaches, convulsions and seizures, heart disease, heart attacks and stroke, severe mood swings, irreversible lung damage, HIV or hepatitis if you inject it, Bowel decay if you swallow it, loss of smell, nosebleeds, runny nose, and trouble swallowing, if you snort it. Does meat do that?
4-Projecting humanity on to something that isn't human isn't empathy, it's emotional immaturity. It's the same immaturity that makes little children think their toys are real, living people and cry when they break.
Again, you’re an absolute dipshit. You took one semester of philosophy and suddenly you think you’re an expert.
Nobody cares about the outdated root definition, go look it up in the dictionary so you can catch up with everyone else. Pseudo intellectual faggot.
If you call out someone for virtue signaling, aren't you virtue signaling yourself?
I mean you are technically signaling the virtue that you don't signal virtues (ironically)
Isn't it though? Lifeforms have been consuming each other since the time when multicellular life began. It's the reason we as humans have developed our brains to the point where we can have this ethical argument on the internets. Without devouring anything and everything within our capability, we would not exist. Only in modern times, with the abundance of food and resources at our disposal, has this become an issue.
Samefag here, I've made a typo:
>I mean you are technically signaling the virtue that you don't like signal virtues (ironically)
because burgers are good as fuck. dumbass
As a meatlover myself I have to say you, that is a piss poor agument, because the meat isn't what makes burger great. The great taste comes from the collection of many different ingredients. You have sweet tomatoes and ketchup, sour cucumbers, spicy onions, great cheese and crispy salad.
For burger you can easiely substitute the meat with soy or even with something completely different, and it will still taste great.
If you want to make that argument, make it about streak, because there is no single substitute to steak
I dont eat my animals while they're alive so I should be good to go
Uh... I'm pretty sure aside from dolphins and maybe some other more intelligent species, animals don't enjoy sex. So you're fucking of an animal in heat just gives it the false hope that it's going to bear offspring, provided that it's a female. That just makes you a weird faggot. If it's a male, that makes you a double weird actual double faggot supreme.
What the actual fuck are you talking about. The only vegans I've ever met have been self righteous doucheknobs who eat vegan to get clout from their vegan buds. They just do it as one massive jerk circle because they think it makes them popular
They don't feel pain when you eat them because they're already dead. Also, as long as you don't eat helal Meat, Cows shot in the head before they can sense what's going on. You should rather advocate for better farming conditions than the boycott of meat because it's not realizeable anyway.
I like eating their Flesh but I love consuming their Souls
I've never seen someone straight up biting in a living Cows ass. A stake doesn't scream, it's dead.
Because helping more people out of their Homelessness would cause People to eat more Meat and that is against the vegan agenda. The Vegan Militant isn't concerned with other humans.
Source ?
Humans are omnivores, its natural :)
This.
Kill your own. That's what I do
Can’t argue with this logic
Your question is wrong: Buck does get to rape his.
I only eat meat once or twice a week out of pure circumstance, that hardly makes me "basically vegan. I still eat cheese, eggs, honey, etc. all the fucking time.
I'm not reading all ya niggas debate here before I post, but the day I went vegetarian was the day I saved 2 baby doves who were only a few days old. I cared for them for a few hours until getting them to a bird rescue center. I normally get chicken or some other meat for lunch, but that day I said to myself, "how the fuck am I going to care so much for the lives of these little innocent birds, and then eat birds which I know had a horrible short lived, abused life, never knowing freedom or hapiness, ended by their murder. How?" And that's that. All of you fucks who love your dogs and cats so much, but eat a cow or pig or chicken for dinner, I ask you to reevaluate the love you have as well as the selfishnes you have that you ignore. Thx bye. PS big food stores sell imitation chicken burgers, hamburgers, nuggets, ground beef for tacos and shit, all kinds of crazy stuff. It makes the transition and cravings much easier.
>avocados and quinoa are farmed with immense human suffering
>so is cocoa
>and cola
>and sugar
>and almonds(which also have an immense negative impact on the environment)
>and hazelnut
>and cashew
>and corn
>and sunflower
>and shellfish
>and palm oil
>and sesame
>and soy
>and green beans
>and tilapia
The only livestock meat that is processed by third world countries, for the elite of those same countries are processed by slave labor. All of the foods in that list are shipped worldwide, and all versions of the food on that list available to you in your country most probably were processed by slaves. Livestock meat is more likely processed locally and therefore has near zero likelihood that it caused any human suffering. Eat more meat to reduce human suffering.
This is true
>The only Livestock produced with human suffering , are processed for the elite of the third world countries they were processed in.
fixed it, sorry I'm retarded
Oh shut the fuck up. Farming involves hard work business and surviving starvation.
The only respectable question would be if he wanted real burgers as opposed to selling more milk and dairy based products.
Fun fact niggers picked cotton
interspecies errotica is the beez kneez
Veganism is the logical standpoint but I've taken courses in formal logic. Most people haven't and so don't understand how to realize or even inspect a rigorous ethical argument.
The argument only makes sense if you hold animal life over human life, or assure that your food is farmed with no human suffering, which is improbable and limiting.
cuz its fukin tasty you fat bitch
If you can't differentiate between nutrition and beastiality, you should be kept well away from animals
Can dale rape the cow befor he kills it?
Asking for a friend
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>What does that have to do with bestiality
Bodily autonomy dumb dumb.
A being either has it or it doesn't. And that includes you.
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