Ye?

HAIL STALIN! COMMUNISM PROVIDES PLENTY FOR ALL!

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ok smart ass socialism and fascism are forms of oppression.

under communism, russians were all skinny. there was this one guy, who was fat. he was suspicious. turned out that he was a cannibal. his story was in a serial killer documentary series.

Kek

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Here we go again,

first of all fascism is capitalist, second of all who the hell ends up oppresed in socialism?

I wish we could trade the Hong Kongers with you guys. We'd all be happy that way.

i prefer marxism

fake and gay

fascism is enforced government ideology through military means - has everyone gone full retard?

that's correct though, as they do incorporate models of government.

Seriously, just search for the definition of capitalism its got nothing to do with government

You have been listening to too many Marxists who use the word as a verb not a noun as it is.

Capitalism was simple logic to all humans, and how humans have existed for thousand or so years or more, Marx was the one to put a label on it and demonize it

Literally every single "founding father" of fascist philosophy was influenced by Marx and Hegel

Someone didnt finish school

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please please provide proof

Communism is a static solution to a fluid problem. Human beings will never be comfortable as cogs in a machine, no matter how well the machine is designed.

Jinxx.

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You're never getting communism, or the guns or open borders. You're going to stop that shit. If you don't, you're going to keep getting more and more far right versions of Trump, until one finally lets us kill you all off.

Why cant we just get along, and tolerate each other until we are a true space fairing civilization?

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Can communists and fascists be friends?
Your shit isn't as good as fascism but it's not neoliberalism so I'll take what I can fucking get at this point.

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Because the left went fucking crazy.

Everyone's gone fucking crazy

Because our monkey brain is greedy and selfish

Yup, one side bitches about the inferiority of those he has yet to meet, whilst the other bitches about men sitting with their legs apart. All while our true enemy sits upon their gilded thrown counting the wealth they've managed to steel from us all, both cultural, and materialistic.

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Then we must genetically engineer our next evolutionary step, in the absence of natural selection, we must all reach our deepest potential through the power of CRISPR!!!

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No, we're just going to shoot eachother again. As always.

The world would be better under communism, change my mind

Go read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley and think about

One side sees the problems in the world as a fundamental part of the way we organize our economic system - as day-to-day operations that are designed to screw over the common man.

The other, sees the problem as an international cabal of jews usurping our economic system from within to benefit their own people.

And this dipshit thinks these two concepts are the same

The fucking irony of this post is tangible

Did i once say Jews?

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Did I once say you were right-wing?

Realistically, humans cooperating could advance us to other planets, maybe even galaxies

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that is the talk of someone who didnt live in a true
communist society, he probably lived under gorbachev's jurisdiction

Brave New World is anti-communist literature though, and for good reason.

Again, go read Brave New World. Are these cosmic feats really worth it if it means sacrificing our individual aspirations? I really don't think so.

Then what were you implying my good man?

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If you put half of the effort that you do trying to re-distribute money that other people have worked for into bettering yourself and focusing on a career you would be so much better off. If you take one step toward capitalism it will take two steps toward you.

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individual aspirations often lead to destruction

No, it is a criticism of capitalism. The religion posited in the book is literally called Fordism - for good reason. People are made to worship their role as cogs in a machine, as they exist under capitalism (and under the dichotomy established by Socialism).

I thought we were both making grandiose statements about political paradigms, so I wanted to cut in

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Buddy I'm friends with a NASA intern that struggles to make ends meat as a fast food manager, and therefore cannot afford to get the degree that will get him to a higher place. Capitalism has failed him!

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I head over to the chans and this is the first thread I see. Hell fucking yes. Drive the libs and their fash pets into the sea.

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Ah, then it appears that we were both the fool. I love this website.

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The whole fucking point of that book is that everyone is functioning for the good of humanity rather than for their individual needs or interests. That's the whole idea behind communism you retard

It's never "real communism" is it?

The 550 Billionaires in the US are worth 2.5 trillion dollars. If we could liquidate and confiscate 100% of their wealth, we would raise enough funds to run the US government for just short of eight months.

Rich people aren't your problem, Sally, you are your own problem.

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"Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom. He is presently in Sweden, where he is hatching “revolution” with the Finns." -Karl Marx

Also, Bakunin was a useless antisemite who, like almost all anarchists, ended up helping the fash out of his own stupidity.

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You are such a fucking moron. The entire first act of the book is a self-indulgent, preteen romance novel about these upper class yuppies talking about "hmmmm, I wanna fuck that guy, but I've already fucked him twice today" Meanwhile, their being shuffled around be an entire underclass of people deliberately manufactured to be SLAVES to a social HIERARCHY, for the benefit of others.

Where is this course of action written where it could be considered doctrinal to Communism?

Why do you fear this kind of system so much? Sure many advocates for it may not be desirable figures, but who is to say it will not work? What do you have to lose?

Nazbols are cancer, ethnostates reproduce capitalist relations between the "master race" and the "subject races" and therefore end up collapsing within one hundred years. They didn't call themselves that, but the Mongol khanates were nazbol states and the best military in the world couldn't save them from their own repressed liberalism.

Because that's what a nazbol is, just a bougie who can't be a liberal. Just like a conservative is a worker who can't be a socialist, just like a socdem or anarchist is a petty bougie who can't be fash.

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Neh.

I am an accountant. I look at wages all day every day because I am an auditor. Do you know what plumbers, HVAC people, and electricians make in the US? Do you know what truck drivers make? I do. It has never been easier to get a job making over 100k per year than it is now. Maybe your friend was pushed into STEM and it wasn't his thing.

We'll tread on you first.

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You could say half the same stuff from socialists or communists or antivaxxers. Very few people do research on what they believe. They just believe.

America will advance under communism, realistically, this demopublican dichotomy is a plague to its unity

I think the people who are dems or reps will just take over and make another failure of communism.

>Why do you fear this kind of system so much?
Because it has been a catastrophe failure in every place it has been implemented. Deaths by communists make Hitler look like a newb.
>Sure many advocates for it may not be desirable figures, but who is to say it will not work?
>it has been proven to not work over and over again.
>What do you have to lose?
I have everything to lose; I have worked hard for my entire life and saved a lot of money. I don't see why that money should go to eaters (eaters being people who contribute nothing to society apart from turning perfectly good food into shit).

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the only treaty Nazi Germany signed that ended up weakening it in regards to the other party. Stalin received enough land to keep Moscow safe, he got to execute the bourgeois Polish officer-landowner class and blame it on the Gestapo so the liberals wouldn't have a sad at him, and he got enough time to create an industrial war machine.

When the Western capitalists signed Munich, they bought feckless liberal peace and little else. They certainly weren't using the time to prepare in any significant way, and even spent the first few months of actual wartime doing fuckall.

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Nah, he was originally pushed into theology, his family was incredibly religious, he fell out of it when he looked deep into the history of scripture. say while i got ya on the line, what is it like as an accountant? Do you get to spend a decent amount of time with your family? is the corporate world as seedy as many say, or is it just tightly wound?

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Deaths by Christianity are immeasurable. Deaths by Capitalism are immeasurable. How are deaths by communism measurable, and how is it relevant?

Hitler wanted to steal socialist voters, but he upheld capitalism with racist appeals, the exact opposite of abolishing capitalism and racism, which is what socialism does. This "ZOMG TOTALITARIANISM" centrist liberal bullshit is just so much bougie pearl-clutching that desperate people care about winning more than political processes, because winning is literally life and death to anyone who isn't bougie.

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idol

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If you liberals were right about anything ever, Hillary would've won. Now they're gonna share the same jail cell after the revolution, and you will too if you don't shut the fuck up.

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If I had it all to do over again I would have never gone to college. I would have left the Navy and probably worked on fishing boats until I got too old and then found a trade (Plumbing, HVAC, sheet metal, etc.). My parents were boomers; I fell into the whole "If you don't go to college your life is going to suck" thing.

Being an accountant is okay - I have a very specialized job auditing insurance polices. I don't work for a corporation, I work for a mutual. I set my own hours but it is very demanding.

What have I got to lose? My life and legacy. Socialism is bad enough. If we get any closer to communism, I'll start some shit.

you're a brainlet if you think Hitler was pro-free market.
>Hitler believed in Autarky
>the nazis controlled the economy, regulated prices and wages ect, alongwith taking control of war-related industries.
>Hitler believed free market capitalism was Jewish
>for hitler socializing the economy meant removing the Jews from economic life, as well as nazifying trade unions, such as the establishment of the National Socialist teacher's league.

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hitler was jewish

We could probably shut the fuck up about you for a sec if you could just, like, dedicate yourselves solely to taking down the Zionist state. We hate them too, not because we hate Jews but because we hate settler-colonialism, so if you apply the mass line that's a point of agreement.

If you're more of a conservative than a fascist in your social views, the actual Marxist-Leninists (as opposed to Bernie fans) aren't into the SJW shit. We're into equality, but that means literal fairness, not the hyper-hypothetical shit you need five degrees from petty bourgeois gender studies finishing school to understand well enough to perform. We aren't mad when you say ignorant stuff (so long as it's literal ignorance and not malice), we're mad when you organize genocide. So, if you got recruited by the fash only because the SJW shit is annoying and toxic, we can be friends. If you got recruited by the fash because you want the streets to run red with the blood of blacks and workers, no compromise is possible nor desired.

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Eugenics is Nazi shit. Don't do Nazi shit in God's thread thanks

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I legit wish communism took over

I'm considering joining the navy, im 24. Any advice? My parents told me the same damn thing, I grew up expecting to go into stem, but then math socked me in the face at college Cal 1. After that I started drawing to feel like I wasn't a complete fuckup, Really enjoy it but I'm nowhere neer where id need to be to even consider that path directly. So now my folks are trying to push me into nursing. I just want to get my life started already.

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Why? How would it improve your life?

Brave New World described a capitalist world engineered to absorb surplus production and therefore solve one of the key contradictions of capitalism without overthrowing the system. It was a soulless place devoid of art or culture and demonstrates vividly the necessity of the triumph of socialism over capitalism.

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I could care if they were pink with blue hair, its on the inside that counts. Like higher cognitive functions and the ability for greater empathy!

My advice to people your age is this: There are way too many people in college in the US now and way too few going for trades. People who drive garbage trucks make more money and have better benefits than people their age coming out of grad school. I loved my time in the Navy. If you can do it, go for it! Boot camp sucks dick but it isn't that bad when you get to your ship. Having military service on your resume will put you to the head of the line in pretty much anything you want to do after you get out.

Thing is, that's an accurate class analysis of the situation to a point. Marxist-Leninists recognize that the hipster petty bougies aren't our base, while the rest of the "left" here in America seems to have missed that point. That's why we're here on Yea Forums talking to the proles while the anarkiddie wokelords argue about the problematicness of angels dancing on the heads of pins on Leftbook. When liberals whine about the "old Bolsheviks" getting shot they miss that THAT was the real class revolution, under Stalin, and not the events of 1917 that merely put the petty bourgeoisie in power. And after Stalin died, the petty bourgeoisie resumed power, which is why the Soviet Union coasted on his successes for a while and then collapsed.

If we can give Commissars Jamal and Cletus power, and keep them and theirs in power for generations, we will succeed. Also, we won't have the problems Russia did with international trade; Lenin couldn't just nuke Davos if the Swiss didn't hand over bourgeois emigre wealth. We can. We are also the world's breadbasket and could easily feed billions if necessary. America's also the only country the CIA couldn't coup after a successful socialist revolution. Marx predicted the Anglo-Saxon countries would be the first communist societies, and despite the Soviet detour I think he'll be proven right.

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You're thinking of Animal Farm. Also, consider basing your politics on nonfiction like the grownups do. You're like a liberal who can't make an argument without jacking off to Harry Potter somehow.

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Read history. The art and literature that was preserved in the Navajo reservation was also fostered in the USSR. The children of illiterate peasants had libraries full of all kinds of works from authors the world over to raise their cultural level. Art was subsidized and promoted, theaters were built in the kolkhozes, tickets to plays were given by collectives. Even if you factor in the "ZOMG CENSORARSHIP" argument the classcucks like to make, they still went from illiterate to cultured in a single generation, and I've yet to meet a Russian even today that wasn't at least my equal on any of that shit.

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see a movie
youtube.com/watch?v=ghkuhoG7MIQ

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If capitalism wasn't an utter failure, the fash wouldn't be making such inroads on this board. Trump wouldn't be in power, half of Europe wouldn't be run by ironic fascists. Fascism is late-stage capitalism, capitalism in decay and using whatever can divide the working class against itself (usually race, sometimes religion, occasionally sex) to patch over the fact that there's only so much $$$they$$$ are willing to part with for wages.

Oh BTW I've decided that $$$they$$$ is a thing now. Fash use triple parentheses to denote Jews, we should use triple dollar signs to denote bougies. Lord knows they've been stealing our aesthetic since Mussolini; they're overdue to get ripped off in return.

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Trotskyism

>workers
I hate Jews and capitalists, which I consider to be one and the same (inasmuch as haute bourgeois goyim exist, their entire mentality is Jewish). I support workers and want more unionization, or even outright national-syndicalism in the long term. I'm not some conservative bugman who calls himself a fascist to be edgy; I want a genuine third position.
>blacks
I don't care about blacks- like they're kind of dumb, sure, but it's whatever, right? They just need leaders like Pastor Manning and Malcolm X who can speak to them and whip them into shape. I think Jews encourage race-hatred both to divert attention away from them and to keep races fighting even when they DO notice the Jew. How many Muslim vs. conservative-white shitflinging contests have you seen, even those two groups have a common enemy that's much more of a threat than either presents to the other?
>SJWs
SJW shit is faggot shit and it props up international finance capitalism just like goy infighting does.
>Israel
Fuck'em. The diaspora and the Zionist entity mutually reinforce each other. I can't wait until Iran gets nukes.

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I don't even know where to start; you are fucking delusional.

I used to think that Joseph McCarthy was a nut-case, but I realize now that he was right, you people need to be sorted out and put down.

The whole idea behind communism, you retard, is that the workers own the means of production. You can't be a leftist, let alone a communist, without believing that.

You sound like a middle schooler who thinks that "communism" is whatever your perpetually annoyed Republican dad bitches about at dinner. Pic related; Karl Marx never said it, but you idiots might as well believe he had it inscribed on his tombstone.

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Fascism as capitalism in decay is a bad theory of fascism. In fact it's not even a theory, it's a propaganda slogan. Besides, no one in power is a fascist. Literally the most fascist public personality I can think of is a TV anchor that Jews, capitalists and capitalist Jews are trying to get replaced with Ben Shapiro.

CYKA BLYAT

Nyet

There is no genuine "third position". It was made up decades ago by a bunch of power-hungry dipshits looking to capitalize on the power vacuum created by Versailles.

Your only substantial critique will ever be - it's just the jews my dude lol

purge

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Thank you kind user, if I can get into the navy, need medical waiver for eczema and a back surgery, I will always keep your words at heart.

Ah yes, the Venezuelan right. There's a patriotic bunch of disinterested people we ought to respect.

"WEH WEH YANQUIS PLZ RAPE OUR COUNTRY THE STARVING PEOPLE MIGHT TAKE OUR FACTORIES AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING"

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That's about as substantive as me saying that you're a foot soldier of neoliberalism. Sure, nominal communists do act in that capacity, but I know that's not the theory. I'm trying to be conciliatory but if you would rather we light each other up, then I can do that too.

Also, the best third positionists came from WWI's winners or just uninvolved states like Spain. You do actually -know- about fascism, right user? You don't just read Third International pamphlets about us, right?

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You're welcome. It is worth it, do your best to get in.

communist scumfuck.
I see you China.
Your propaganda doesn't work on your own. Let alone the west.

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Are there actual Antifa fuck-tards in here? It seems like it from the nonsense responses to posts. Shouldn't you guys be assaulting elderly people or tiny, gay, Asian journalists in Portland or Seattle?

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My word should have been essential. We can strip away any other notions of workers solidarity that you may have, they're wholy irrelevant as long as you believe that the inherent flaws of capitalism are a product of jewish culture deliberately attempting to subvert the prosperity of whites and the west. If you want to contest that that IS fundamental your views of Capitalism, then I dunno.

But if that IS your fundamental criticism, then anything you have to say past that is worthless.

>I am an accountant
As a representative of the bourgeoisie, it is in your class interest, if you cannot find arguments justifying your greed, to make them up. To quote Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

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There's literally a motherfucker in this thread who thinks that communism is when the government does stuff, and you're saying that WE'RE retarded?

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howdy

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Fuck communists

The Dems are the bourgeoisie, the Reps are the petty bourgeoisie. They will both be worked to death, with the most notorious of their number possibly sentenced to slow death by torture on reality television after the requisite show trials. The few elements among the working class that refuse to renounce the beliefs of those parties will be denied the vote. Capitalism will not be permitted to return.

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indoctrination by fortnite.
you're real sneaky China, real sneaky.

>a representative of the bourgeoisie
Are you fucking kidding me? I grew up in a neighborhood in Albuquerque with my single mother that would make you shit your stovepipe trousers son. I worked my way out of poverty instead of blaming other people for my problems. Stop quoting over-rated novelists who crashed and burned as politicians.

>Deaths by communists make Hitler look like a newb.
[citation needed]
I know you're just gonna cite Robert Conquest or some newb historian who cites Robert Conquest, so let me cut to the chase and point out he's discredited even after revising his figures down from 20 million... to 3. Even despite WWII, the Soviet population rose dramatically under Stalin. That couldn't have happened if Robert Conquest was right. The unsealed Soviet archives debunked all of this shit because unlike the Nazis, the Soviets were proud of what the gulags accomplished. Hell, Stalin even bragged about it in English, in the book Belomor.

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Capitalism kills 20 million people a year. Even if the Robert Conquest bullshit figures he got were correct, and Stalin killed 20 million people from 1924-1953, it'd still be 30 times less than what capitalism kills every year, and represent a drastic improvement in the moral situation of humanity.

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Antifags probably support Guaido because he's into faggot shit or some other non-economic reason. That user's just a commie.
>they're wholy irrelevant as long as you believe that the inherent flaws of capitalism are a product of jewish culture deliberately attempting to subvert the prosperity of whites and tinterest.
This is absolutely not my view. First and foremost, while I do have a personal preference for white people, Jews and capitalists do harm to people the world over. Venezuela is a prime example of this, and Syria, where the closest thing to an extant fascist regime is being attacked by Zionists.

Generally I accept the Marxist idea of class conflict as the natural state of a liberal society. I deny that this will inherently lead to communism, especially at this stage. It's more likely to lead to catabolic collapse, if they don't just sustain it forever. The bourgeois state needs to be overthrown and replaced with a syndicalist and totalitarian one that will act in the nation's interest.

Because all finance capital is international, this inherently implies a state that mostly works in the proletariat's interest, with some consideration given to what remains of the petit bourgeoisie. With them it's really a question of where their sympathies lie: with international capitalism, or with the national worker's class?

Jews are a -problem,- but they aren't the only problem. They're more like an exacerbator.

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I thought this was a Marxist-Leninist thread, not an ultraradicool petty bourgeois poser thread.

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No. Fuck Communism.

If you start some shit, we'll end some shit. Just move to Canadia with the other liberals when shit goes down, if you know what's good for you.

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You've only proven my point. You will never convince me of the JQ, so I'll never work with you. I don't care how much interest you have in the prosperity of other nations, we will never agree on the role of jewish people as an instigating force in the harms of capitalism - because any indictment levied towards the jews is completely overcast by the REALITY of whites wielding capitalism to subvert global interest to a level that is not even comparable. Not even in orders of magnitude.

You just need to git over it. I don't know what else to say.

Marxist socialism would be preferable to what we have now. Shit's really really fucked. If you don't think their system'll work, then fine, but a system that will not work is still superior to a system that is almost pure metaphysical evil.

t. fascist

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Oh for fuck's sake, for all you capitalists are like "weh weh commies always say it's not really communism when it fails" y'all sure claim to have never seen a true Scotsman in your life.

Did the Nazis abolish private property? No. Did they socialize private property? No. They were capitalists. These are facts.

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>I can't work with you because you're anti-Jewish and I'm anti-white
Well, there it is I guess. Despite having common goals, we're doomed to be enemies. Nice talking with you at least.

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Yeah, you're too far gone man. Have a nice life gusano

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Hell yeah Sabaton! Panzerkampf's their best song but Resist and Bite is also solid. So is Night Witches.

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The main difference between what you're saying and what we're saying - and you're closer to us that I would've figured - is that you don't apply your "haute bourgeois goyim mentality is Jewish" idea in the other direction. Proletarian Jewish mentality is fine. Marx himself was Jewish; we wouldn't even have a theory if it weren't for Jewish comrades. We can't turn our backs on Jewish comrades, but that's a different statement altogether than saying "George Soros shouldn't get the wall" or "Lloyd Blankfein shouldn't be fed to sharks."

Gonna dive into some history to explain. The thing the Nazis hated about the Jews was their "rootlessness," their lack of connection to the land. They were restricted to ghettoes in the cities of Europe in the Middle Ages, so the only professions open to them were professions in the city. Many - most - became proletarians (who the Nazis also hated, for the same "rootlessness"), but whereas Christianity used to forbid usury, Judaism does not. So almost all of Europe's banking houses were Jewish-owned at one time, and a legacy of those days is that many still are. That's not a defect in Judaism or Jewish people, that's a peculiarity of two religions interacting. Since one couldn't challenge the power of capital in the Middle Ages, it was easier for proles and peasants to challenge the Jewish faith instead as a close enough proxy, in order to keep the bourgeoisie in check. But one can't confuse tactics with strategy. The proper enemy the whole time was the bourgeoisie, not the Jews. At best -at BEST- antisemitism was only ever a means to that end, and a deeply regrettable one to be discarded at the first opportunity, which presented itself centuries ago.

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i no u r but wat m i

I mean, you might as well have just said that. Sorry you can't argue with the truth, just bring better arguments next time - oh wait you can't.

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It's not though. I disagree with this guy: when he says there's no third position. There is.

The libertarian "political compass" where all political positions can be mapped onto a square is wrong, but the concept is right. It just ignores the will to power that makes the libertarian half indistinguishable between left and right, and the fact that there's three classes providing a class basis for politics, and those three classes are the basis for three major ideologies, three minor ideologies, and three ethical systems tying each class' major and minor ideologies together.

Fascism is capitalism in decay because liberalism, which negates the will to power, cannot last forever. Liberalism is an incoherent blend of democracy and capitalism which cannot last. Either the liberals must abandon democracy to preserve capitalism (which the liberal bourgeoisie end up inevitably doing) or they must end up abandoning capitalism to preserve democracy (as their voters end up doing). Liberal capitalism must inevitably decay, and when it does, if it's still capitalism, it must end up being fascism. That is what is meant. Even if you disagree with the notion, it's more than propaganda, it's theory.

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I appreciate your point, but I'm also reaching at something larger. The validity of a system of economic organization shouldn't be predicated on death toll. It should be based on material need satisfied. I understand that's not exactly quantifiable, and while death toll goes a long way to express that, it tends to over-moralize a situation that directly affects peoples ability to live

Can't speak for the guy you've talked to, but yes, I've read up on fascist theory. In every country where fascists come to power, it's a blend of whatever local cultural trends make the place distinctive elevated to the point of principle used to justify why you must support the nation-state and its corporate friends at all costs. The annoying liberals confusing that for socialism can catch bullets, whichever of us wins. Where liberalism wants to ultimately transcend nationalism but is too feckless to ever be able to do it, fascism does not, and doubles down on differences with The Other to justify capitalist relations with them, while going socdem or nazbol with the spoils of that in regards to The Master Race/Faith.

There are three positions, but it's in the interests of all players to conflate the other two with each other. You're both capitalists in effect to us, because the fascists arise out of the petty bourgeoisie, and that's why liberals and fascists are on the same side for every war - the liberals hired the fascists as security in the first place. But to the liberals, we're indistinguishable totalitarians because we both know how power works better than they do. And to you, liberalism and communism is indistinguishable because they put a lot of effort into pretending to care about racial/sexual/religious equality, and we actually do care about that.

But there are indeed three positions.

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The Chinese aren't communists. Mao was a petty-bourgeois reactionary like his buddy Pol Pot that palled around with terrorists like Henry Kissinger, and he almost started a literal racewar for lebensraum with the Soviet Union until he got his own ass handed to him over it. His ideological bastard children have degenerated towards capitalism, as the petty bourgeois are wont to do, and now fill their free time taking bribes and locking up Marxist-Leninist students who call bullshit on the emperor's new discourse.

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I'm with Antifa when absolutely necessary to stop the fash, which is the correct Marxist-Leninist position as it's just the principle of the united front for these current material conditions. But we mostly let the anarkiddos run point on that, because it's the most good they could hope to do.

And yeah, the anarcho-fifthgraders are generally pretty uneducated about American foreign policy and buy the CIA propaganda about actually existing socialism. What can I say, if their shit made sense they wouldn't be anarchists.

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Well, I disagree on certain particulars, but they're born of social rightism and nationalism more than any economic disagreement.

Here's my theory: insofar as proletarian Jews exist, they're likely to have significant portions of their family be part of the bourgeoisie, because the bourgeoisie is heavily Jewish, and it gets more so the higher you go. So Jewish ethnic solidarity and proletarian class solidarity are in conflict. Contrast that with other races, who are more likely to have monoclass families, and are less ethnically solidaristic anyway. All post hoc, of course.

>that's why liberals and fascists are on the same side for every war
Dude, what? Maybe, maybe in Spain with CEDA, but they were tradcath fags anyway, not really liberals. Definitely not in the Big One and not really in Syria either.
>The Other to justify capitalist relations with them, while going socdem or nazbol with the spoils of that in regards to The Master Race/Faith
This on the other hand is more or less correct to me. I oppose imperialism because it hurts everyone, but capitalist relations between nazbol states that keep each other at arm's length is something close to my ideal world.
>pretending to care about racial/sexual/religious equality,
My theory regarding this is that liberals want to use sexual minorities and minority religions as a counterrevolutionary class. I already noted that I think goyish infighting protects capitalism but have you ever noticed how radlib "communists" will support capitalist causes because the capitalists throw in some faggot shit?

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Andrew Carnegie was born to workers too, didn't stop him from exploiting the fuck out of them. The real question is why you would sell out the same sort of people that raised you, except I already know the answer to that: you're a filthy bourgeois pig, and nothing is more sacred to your class than money.

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You actually believe the bullshit in that meme?

>I deny that this will inherently lead to communism, especially at this stage.

I can't see how it couldn't. The liberal need to appear radical while being reactionary in practice led them to do anything and everything EXCEPT surrender the means of production here. They had to allow us, in the 60s, to mend the racial divide they created to control us, so now workers of all races can coordinate against the bourgeoisie. They had to create the internet to foment capitalist revolution in former communist states, but that just let us coordinate against them and their media even harder. They had to permit women to leave the kitchen to win the imperialist wars they waged, and now the proletarian ranks are twice as large. Hell, they even had to legalize queer stuff, so they can't even use the "Homintern" forced meme on us anymore. They had to pretend that education was better than the means of production to keep us loyal during the Cold War and to keep the military staffed, and now we have an entire generation of people too educated to take their underemployment lying down.

They ran out of non-core axes of oppression to surrender to us, they ran out of reasons to delay class conflict, and they gave us every tool to win. Marx even called that this would happen, right here in the Anglo-Saxon countries, because we had the most advanced capitalist systems and therefore would be the first to trip face-first into the new era.

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Man, I wish the Holodomor WAS real.

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With regard to means of capitalist control refer to . I consider that things you mistake for gains against the bourgeoisie are actually setbacks. I do agree that the Internet is the strongest means of fomenting revolution, but the lumpenproletariat abides.

You're preaching to the choir, man. If nothing else, we can see that even when having to fight off the whole world for 70 years straight, the Soviets were still able to provide their citizens with the rudiments of modern civilization while exploring space and pushing the frontiers of science. Even if I weren't a communist, the evidence suggests that'd be the society to emulate if we had to abandon liberal capitalism (which it's flamingly obvious we do).

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> I do agree that the Internet is the strongest means of fomenting revolution

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I think if one divorces morality from politics, one ends up being a liberal or a fascist. The Christfags aren't wrong because they're moral, they're wrong because they derive their morality from a socialist system whose traditions have been messed with by the bourgeoisie for their own benefit. The workers can be mobilized on the basis of their inherent morality, and this is why conservatives and socialists usually end up on the same side during wars.

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>the REALITY of whites wielding capitalism to subvert global interest
CIA conspiracies are nigger cope. Shitskin countries fail because they're filled with the same retards as detroit and LA. The nonwhite countries that aren't filled with shitskins don't have any problems making economic progress, like the japs and the chinks.

>Jewish ethnic solidarity and proletarian class solidarity are in conflict. Contrast that with other races, who are more likely to have monoclass families, and are less ethnically solidaristic anyway

Thing is, the Jews aren't unique in this regard. Go to India, and the phenomenon we discussed with Jews doing usury in the Middle Ages happened there too, except substitute Muslims for Christians (they still don't believe in usury) and substitute Hindu brahmins for Jews. The Muslim/Hindu conflict there is a class conflict between dalits descended from the Dravidian Mohenjo-Daro civilization who like the idea of a religion that treats them like equals, and brahmins descended from literal Aryan settler-colonials who like earning interest from the proletariat. Hinduism is literal white supremacy masquerading as a religion, and if you look at Indian society it has all the hallmarks of the liberal-fascist alliance: high levels of culture and warfare coexisting side by side for millennia, the two things the bougies and petty bougies are good at.

But there are Hindus following branches of Hinduism that repudiate that, and just like I can stomach talking to you now and don't go full SJW on the conservatives for being hoodwinked by capitalist bullshit, I can tolerate that too so long as they're otherwise comrades. And so it's gotta be the same with the Jews. But as I say that, I'm not saying it's easy. To quote Jesus of Nazareth, "if any would follow me, take up their cross and walk" and "I come not to bring peace, but a sword, to divide families against each other" because that's what it's gonna have to be for any potential comrade from, say, the Soros family. They will have to disown their own family. But, these things happen more often than you think. The psychological processes at work in late capitalism cause a lot of mental illness, especially cluster B shit. That in turn breaks apart internal family solidarity and encourages class treason.

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I'm not disregarding that morality is an imperative conversation. In fact, I think it should be as closely integrated with out political system as possible.

My problem is that the morality employed in political discussion is unfocused. Ultimately, a persons autonomy is being violated by not having access to food, water, or shelter. It's completely separated from material need and extrapolated to a cold integer.

Run for congress dude, you'll do great

Politicians get thrown in the shitter if they even accidentally allude to anything that could be interpreted as racist. This wrongthink enforcement is perpetuated by the media, other politicans, and now silicon valley. Just lol if you think congress is filled with guys like me.

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id rather be dead than red you fucking faggot

>a persons autonomy is being violated by not having access to food, water, or shelter
But everyone has access to all of that. They can buy it in the market.

Well, yeah, because people in power just call them "shithole" countries, or Iran. They're smart enough to put a wall of plausible deniability between what they're saying and what they're implicating.

You're not; that was the joke.

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>Dude, what? Maybe, maybe in Spain with CEDA, but they were tradcath fags anyway, not really liberals. Definitely not in the Big One and not really in Syria either.

Let's go down the list, using that triangle chart as a definition of "fascist" and "liberal" and "socialist" because we're talking about trends that have existed throughout history, not just those specific ideologies by those specific names:

-American Civil War: Lee was a liberal who actually bought that states' rights horseshit so hard that he thought Jeff Davis would agree to emancipate the slaves in order to win the war. But Davis and the rest of the planter class were fascists ready to brutalize black people for money, and what's the point of winning the war if the slaves go free anyway?

-WWII: Hitler talked with the liberal captains of German industry to assure them he would protect their property. Faced with the threat of a German Soviet Republic that wouldn't, the liberals backed him. The liberal French opposed Hitler rhetorically for five entire minutes and then spent the war in a Parisian cafe supporting the Vichy government except for the communist resistance, who they all promptly pretended to be once the Allies won.

Modern day America: the CIA has liberal support, the Washington Post pushes CIA views through that liberal newspaper, liberals were cool with the coup against Salvador Allende in Chile, and the fascists (not Trump, but the "patriots" that led us to Iraq) are in full agreement on all points. Their only real opposition is the paleoconservatives and the socialists, who arise from the same class and are tired of their kids dying for this shit.

These patterns repeat throughout history. To generalize, any war with only political changes (Am. Revolution, WWI) usually involves the fash/lib alliance picking off either cons or socs to side with them against the last. Any war with economic changes involves the con/soc alliance holding.

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If the people that hate brownies are in charge, why do they need to hide behind a wall of plausible deniability? Stalin didn't need to hide behind plausible deniability when he named the capitalist and purged them.

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There are too many prerequisites for those things to be guaranteed absolutely, though. Nobody should be denied the right to live in dignity (without fear), so long as they're willing to work

You and I have very different definitions of what a fascist is.

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>My theory regarding this is that liberals want to use sexual minorities and minority religions as a counterrevolutionary class. I already noted that I think goyish infighting protects capitalism but have you ever noticed how radlib "communists" will support capitalist causes because the capitalists throw in some faggot shit?

This is exactly right. Look at the Wonder Woman and Black Panther movies. They're both part-funded by the Department of Defense (they don't even deny it), and they both push capitalist agendas: Wonder Woman is played by a raving Zionist babykiller, so because "woman empowerment" or whatever they got the libfems defending Zionism. Black Panther pushed the notion that the CIA's crimes against Africa can be pinned on a few bad apples in an otherwise good agency, and they got blacks and everyone who doesn't want to look racist going to see that movie twice on "principle." I'm kinda gratified that the other half of the will to power can see this shit too; we hate it as much as you do, although we're more directly affected by it because it hijacks our base for capitalist ends.

This is why the communist emphasis on equality and against bigotry is so important though. The basic bourgeois strategy to defeat the proletariat, which outnumbers them about 85 to 1, is to divide us against each other. Whatever the most powerful race/sex/faith/orientation is, that's the side that gets hired on as the petty bourgeoisie. The less powerful race/sex/faith/orientation then gets hijacked by the liberals. The point in this fight is never for one side to win. It's for both to bleed each other out long and hard enough that the bourgeoisie can keep exploiting them all. That's why I have to stick up for the Jewish proles - if I don't, it'll be yet another axis to divide the working class against itself. If the workers of all nations can indeed unite against the bougies, they're toast.

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Labor precedes capital, and deserves the worthier consideration. Capital is just dead congealed labor, why should dead labor rule over living labor? Profit then is extortion, and if a welfare queen is someone who steals your hard-earned money out of your paycheck, then capitalists are welfare queens of the first order.

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Yeah, because Stalin was from a time where you watched movies in "cinemas" on "film" with a "projector." Giving people instant access to whatever flavor of propaganda suits your taste tends to change things, but it also means you have to conform to modern capitalist ways of marketing your ideology.

It's completely stripped clean of anything that might benefit you personally, and filled with virtue signalling, IDPOL, and other gibberish that is meant to obfuscate any sense of responsibility or culpability

>Nobody should be denied the right to live in dignity
Why? If your job is digging ditches with a spoon, then you're providing very little to society. It is not unjust for society to reward you with very little in return.

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Remember, the liberals don't understand power. The smartest of them do, the ones most recently arrived to riches from the working class. The first rich guy named Hilton was undoubtedly a smart man who understood the world well enough to create a hotel chain on the back of exploited workers. Paris Hilton is not; she buys her teacup chihuahuas on the sufferance of the working class alone. The liberal bougies degenerate towards an incompetent class the later capitalism gets. FDR wasn't a socialist; he was a bougie competent enough to realize the guillotine insurance needed to be paid up. Nobody is left in that class to understand that, or even to understand why and how to keep us disarmed. You literally have American bougies campaigning to KEEP the workers armed now; it's surreal.

Why the things you consider setbacks I consider gains has to do with the division of the working class. Healing the rifts between the races, sexes, faiths and orientations unites the workers. The bougies are few in number and their last best hope is that we will bleed each other out. Anything that makes that less likely works to proletarian advantage. "Divide and conquer" has been the best strategy in any sort of conflict, going all the way back to the Gallic Wars.

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Because people don't make mudpies as their day jobs. A lot of them work on their feet, with their hands, in a chair, or with their brain. If they contribute something to society, they shouldn't be denied a comfortable life. Prove me wrong.

Their salary is the societal evaluation of how much they provide to society. McJobs aren't in high demand, so they pay like shit. Their salary proves you wrong.

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>The market decides their worth, so the market is correct
I'm not asking for a descriptive statement, I'm asking for an ought statement. What OUGHT we to do about McDonald's worker who lives on SNAP and other benefits, and is STILL afraid about making the rent. What ought we do?

>My problem is that the morality employed in political discussion is unfocused.
If you're talking about bleeding-heart liberal shit, sure. If Bono really cared about the starving children, he'd pay his fucking taxes so they could be fed. That's just an intrinsic part of liberalism; because there's so few liberals, they have to resort to all sorts of tricks to stay in power. One of them is false consciousness; and an aspect of that is this unfocused morality.

The working class hasn't lost its moral focus for the most part though. Your average worker can tell you bigots and SJWs are both full of shit; that material needs being met are more important than whatever the snowflakes of left or right are crying about today. Communists seek to amplify the focused morality of the working class above the din of false consciousness in the liberal media.

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The rich people in Congress know better than to say that shit out loud if they think it. The rich Republicans in Congress probably privately agree with everything you said though, because fascism is rooted in the petty bourgeoisie and so are they. The rich Democrats in Congress probably would go to great lengths to disagree with what you said to earn a cookie and a gold star, but ultimately wouldn't give a single fuck if you acted on it so long as it didn't make them look bad.

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I guess I'm extending it to commies as well? There's a lot of talk about electoral politics, legalism, and abstracted morality that it loses all sense of action. What drives us as leftists is the union, union building, general strikes, and worker solidarity. This kind of hoaky brand of internet leftism, which feels like just a self-indulgent way of taking cheap stabs at a cruel and unjust system of societal organization, without simultaneously building a system of grassroots organization seems paltry and vapid.

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Not without money they can't. And even if they can find a job in the first place and are capable of working, "be my personal bitch for a fraction of your work's real worth or starve" is a threat, not a choice.

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Nothing. Unless we have a magic wand that poofs more land into existence, there's always going to be some guy getting fucked for rent because populations grow and land does not.

Staln didn't hide his shit because killing oppressors is justice, of which he could be rightly proud. Hitler did have to hide his shit because killing 6 million civilians, most of whom were not bougies, is not justice and he was rightly ashamed.

The Soviets kept gulag records in good order to the end of the Cold War. The Nazis tried to burn the concentration camp records before the Allies could get there.

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So we ought to change the population problem? And by extension abolish the system of production that requires a positive growth rate????

>work or starve is a threat
Cry about it to entropy. That's just how the world works. The converse of that is literally don't work and we'll give you food anyway. Who makes the food then?

That's one of the dumbest things I ever read.

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That's literally just post murder rationalization. Anyone can do that with enough propaganda. Replace holocaust class with hatian revolution class and you'll get people lining up to depopulate the africans.

Then why aren't they using their media propaganda tools to push anti brown propaganda? Every arm of the rich is trying to frame it as hatespeech so they can shut it down. Why would they do that if they want these ideas to propagate?

Let me define a fascist as specifically as I can:

A fascist is someone who wants as much power and wealth for themselves as possible, and will not stop at genocide, theft, or lies to get it. What distinguishes them from conservatives is that even though they often say the same things (this black Ariel stuff, for instance), the fascists whispered it to the conservatives because it would benefit the fascist to do so, and the conservatives who are otherwise good-natured fall for it out of their natural paranoia.

Commies have a saying: "You can't argue with a fascist, you can only defeat them." That's because fascists are disingenuous when they argue (and I'm talking with you now in detail because you aren't acting like that). A fascist will never, at least when they're performing fascism in earnest, admit they're wrong. Fascism is like if narcissism was a political ideology; and in fact this was my first up-close education in this phenomenon.

Fascism is rhetorically against libs as much as libs are rhetorically against fascism. The libs say they hate fascism yet insist fash must have the free speech rights to organize genocide. Fascists denounce the liberal front of pretending to care about equality - not on the grounds that it's a front, but because equality is bad. And they uphold that inequality by being the petty bourgeoisie that protects the liberal bourgeoisie from the workers in the first place.

What distinguishes a fascist from a socialist is that, despite the fact that both are usually born of desperation that liberals will never know, the socialist has decided the solution is to kill the thieves and the fascist has decided the solution is to help the thieves.

Given those definitions (which are my personal contributions, Marx had Eurocentric definitions that are wrong outside Europe), we can more easily see patterns in history. Those patterns improve the scientific validity of the theory according to the historical method I was trained in.

No system of production requires a positive growth rate. People just fuck and have kids. You'd have to instate some one child policy like china and then depopulate families when they go over the limit.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "commie." I mean Marxist-Leninist. And I haven't seen many MLs get too excited about electoral politics except as a means to some other end. We aren't going to be saved by capitalist politicians passing laws in this bourgeois democracy. But, the propaganda value of someone like Bernie Sanders detoxifying the word "socialism" cannot be discounted, and in lieu of anyone to his left, it's probably worth the ten minutes to vote for him before getting on with one's real political duties - in my case, propagandizing the workers on Yea Forums and building a commune to build communist capacity to provide solidarity to the working class.

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Well, according to that definition I'm a socialist, not a fascist. And yet I admire Mussolini, Assad and Codreanu as much as Che and Stalin, if not more so, and would seek to pattern my ideal society along the lines described in stuff like "The Coming Corporate State," or the Falange's state syndicalism. I don't like capitalism one bit. So what gives?

I appreciate your replies to me; they're intelligent and thoughtful even if I disagree with some of your premises. But when I say "fascist," I take the third positionist idea seriously. Nationalism -and- socialism. We're not talking about the same phenomena.

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Oh hell ye!

on monday and tuesdays thx

>Capital is just dead congealed labor
Capital is deferred labor.

If the fisherman takes his fish to the market and exchanges it for gold, he has converted his labor into societal IOU's which can then be cashed in anywhere else in society. If the fisherman then takes those IOUs and buys some land, hires a man to build a fish shop, and then employs him to run the shop, he is using his deferred labor to start a business. Profit is then not extortion, because the shop was created from his deferred labor, which makes it his rightful property.

Nice misquote. People must work, it's just that the workers shouldn't be pilfered by welfare queens whose only "job" is owning shit. And when those welfare queens own all the means of production, it becomes a threat.

And despite all the angry centrists whining about "muh human nature," capitalism has only existed a couple centuries and it's already on its last legs because no empire, no injustice, can endure forever. This system is unjust, and sowing the seeds of its own demise. Because THAT is really how the world works, and it's written across the pages of history.

As for your last question, it'd be more properly addressed to a liberal as not working if you can work is called "social parasitism" in communist countries and not allowed. But in liberal countries with welfare states, the person who grows the food is someone in the Third World whose country has been militarily dominated by that welfare state, so they can afford the welfare necessary to keep their working class from becoming communists and overthrowing them. Lenin called this phenomenon the "labor aristocracy" and it's why America was the last Western country to have a real socialist movement.

>But, the propaganda value of someone like Bernie Sanders detoxifying the word "socialism" cannot be discounted, and in lieu of anyone to his left, it's probably worth the ten minutes to vote for him
I 100% agree with you

>before getting on with one's real political duties
Okay? What are they?

>propagandizing the workers on Yea Forums and building a commune to build communist capacity to provide solidarity to the working class.
That's exactly the problem. There's no call to action outside of that. Why aren't we expending what little political power we have on Yea Forums when it could be expressed as tangible results locally, as in within our communities.

How do we give people an organizing principle for their daily lives, instead "welp holdout for the next lection bous"

no u

Your criticism is that retarded.

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"...but also was strongly influenced by the German idealist and materialist schools of thought – namely Karl Marx, Hegel, and Fichte"

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>That's literally just post murder rationalization.

If you're a sociopath who sees nothing wrong with the Black Hundreds killing Jewish workers, or kulaks burning grain during a famine because they want to haggle with the starving, then I can see why you'd get a sad about all those rich oppressors getting a taste of their own medicine. But to the people who had to feel that lash, or others like it, that's what justice looks like. If you can't understand it, you had at least better get used to fearing it, because these days are coming again.

>Then why aren't they using their media propaganda tools to push anti brown propaganda?

Have you not heard of Donald Trump? The media gave him billions in free coverage. They needed plausible deniability as they did so, so the coverage was always "Here's this bad thing he said that we don't agree with," but it was coverage all the same that advanced his cause.

That's not how it worked at all you dumb nigger.

The Nazis only appealed to Southern Germany, because they're catholic and dumb fucking socialists. The Richer, Northern Prussian based Germany, was Lutheran and Germany's elite, the high born with "von" in the surname and the relatives, council of the former Monarch

They were capitalists, and mostly business people, anti-union. Hitler and the Nazis had to do deal with the Conservative-Revolutionary's to stay relevant in the Reichstag, because neither the Social Democrats (who Hitler praises in 'Mein Kampf') nor the Nazis were winning any elections, because Germans in all their awesomeness were highly skeptical of Representative Democracy and weren't going to the polls.

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Dude what? So if public schools give a holocaust class where they tell everyone how bad the nazis were, that's a pro nazi class because they're giving them coverage?

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You sound more like a nazbol, honestly. You want to keep alive capitalist relations. I refer you to the example of the Mongols, who were effecively nazbols. They established socialism for themselves and brutal capitalism for the people they conquered. What ended up happening was their khanates dissolved in never-ending civil war. Leaving alive capitalism in any guise will only let it spread until it envelops you too. That's the difference between us; if I could countenance any sort of role for capitalism, I'd probably be in the DSA right now taking Bernie seriously. But I can't; capitalism is a vampire and we must drive a stake through its heart so this time it stays dead. Anything more than a cursory emphasis on nationalism ends up being a loophole that preserves capitalist relations. Like, I think it'd be conducive to peace to redraw borders on ethnic and linguistic lines, especially in Africa and the Middle East. Stalin felt mostly the same, hence the deportations. But the deportations were carried out to facilitate greater equality in the long run by not letting socialism founder on nationalist grievances; not because he wanted lebensraum for Russia.

>I appreciate your replies to me; they're intelligent and thoughtful even if I disagree with some of your premises.
You too. If you see me again (you'll recognize me by the memes, I've only got a few saved on my new computer) I hope we can have an intelligent conversation again instead of the usual shitslinging. If the rest of your side was like you, we could get along.

What about when the fisherman leaves that fish shop to his son in his will? And his son leaves it to his son? That dead labor compounds to great enough heights to oppress living labor.

If money equals power, more money equals more power. Capitalism increases inequality over time, stockpiling all that dead labor behind one living person, who is less and less likely to work as time goes on.

>That's exactly the problem. There's no call to action outside of that. Why aren't we expending what little political power we have on Yea Forums when it could be expressed as tangible results locally, as in within our communities.

Maybe you misunderstood me. Rereading my post, it looks a bit jargonistic so I could see why.

I'm building a commune. It will directly employ homeless people and reduce the reserve army of labor, decreasing the stranglehold of capital. This commune will produce food and shelter, some of which will be sold and the rest used as direct payment so we can keep hiring more. These newly-employed workers will be taught in the ways of Marxism-Leninism and also probably organized into a militia. These are radical things, but we'll have just given them aid and it's not like homeless people will be in a rush to defend capitalism anyway.

That's how. I'm following the Black Panther model when they set up WIC, but I'm looking at a more holistic approach. And I'm talking on here because there's more proles on here than on Facebook. Besides, the Nazis recruit on here, so every recruit I make on here denies the Nazis recruits. I've only made a few dozen that I know about, but this place has millions of lurkers and I'll never know the true and full consequences of my actions. Yea Forums is an underrated site of class struggle. We need to follow Gramsci's advice and march through the institutions; Yea Forums is an institution.

You can't prove any of that in the descartes demon sense. It's all stories told by other people. Everything is one sided propaganda.

Why is all the propaganda pro brown people if the rich elite controls the propaganda and the rich elite hates brown people? Why create this system where they then have to hide their disdain from brown people.
>its not justified like my revolution
They literally dictate what is justified and what isn't because they control the propaganda. If they want the revolution to look bad, they'll highlight the plight of the revolutionaries. If they want the revolution to look good, they'll frame the revolutionaries as a crazy mob. They literally dictate whether actions were right or wrong. Saying it was right is meaningless.

Propaganda shapes public viewpoints which then shapes what is and isn't acceptable to say. If they hate niggers, why are they using their propaganda machines to make it hard to hate niggers?

One whole guy, and I think Marx was famous for a whole lot more than being a materialist.

>imagine your reaction if one of Donald Trump's advisers was influenced by Mussolini or Hitler

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Hitler didn't dispossess the bourgeoisie, you absolutely moronic reichnigger. That's like Step 1 of being a socialist. He held absolute state power, and permitted capitalist exploitation to continue. That means he's as socialist as Tony Blair.

This is what I was talking about with the Nazis being disingenuous. Fuck off, if you weren't pretending to be this dumb you'd be too stupid to live.

Stop focusing so much on the form, and look at the function. The proper comparison isn't a Holocaust class, but one of those spineless liberal op-eds where they say they personally hate Nazis yet think they ought to have the free speech rights necessary to organize genocide. They ascribe to antifascist forms but their function is to enable fascism.

If the liberal media had ignored Trump's outlandish statements, he'd have been an also-ran. But because controversy attracts eyeballs, he was covered in exquisite detail, and that allowed the previously isolated bigots to organize with one another, which in turn led to them figuring out the best ways to get the rest of the country to vote for that hate, which inevitably worked.

Those bougie Polish officers had it coming; they'd spent the entire Russian civil war helping the White Army. They earned their deaths.

>it wasn't REAL socialism

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You're spouting one-sided propaganda and pulling the Kirk transporter argument you fash are so fond of on me, accusing me of that which you are guilty to poison the well before I can accuse you with truth.

>If they hate niggers, why are they using their propaganda machines to make it hard to hate niggers?

Because liberal bougie politicians need workers to vote for them, and liberal bougie CEOs need workers to not boycott their companies. So they have to pretend to share worker values; this is why Amazon pretends to care about gay rights. It's dishonest lies to advance their capitalist agenda, like you're doing with this post.

you online commies talking tough shit...

it's so funny when your behind your computers...

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More disingenuous bullshit. Bose wasn't great, but he wasn't the head of India, just one of several anti-colonial leaders at the time, and one who tried to play the Nazis against the British. The Brits were letting 4 million people die of famine in Bengal at the time, so I can't hate him too hard for deciding to fight against that. But in any case, Chakrabarti and AOC are social democratic sellouts and not real Marxist-Leninists and are at best a way for real commies to keep score. In other words, the better we do at preaching ML, the more AOCs the capitalists will permit in order to steal our thunder. AOC in practice, although I doubt she herself realizes this, is a reactionary posing as a revolutionary. Same goes for any other socdem.

The only real counter to your militant idiocy is the gulags. I just pray that Yea Forums's servers fall into our hands during the civil war, and we obtain your IP.

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I am against communism, but I am also against megacoorps fucking up culture. So I support local businesses. Also I never buy from China if I can help it.

The fash are flooding in now, butthurt that they have no arguments.

The nazbol guy was cool. Be more like him, fash, and I might give you the time of day. Keep reposting your drivel memes and you can cry about it in the camps one day.

if i'm not banned from posting on Yea Forums why doesn't it publish any of my posts>

yeah dude...we're all "fash"

Look in the mirror.

Notice...moron

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Megacorps started out as small businesses. In some ways the petty bourgeoisie are even worse than the megacorps, but it all comes down to the fact that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. Local co-operative enterprises are socialism though, your local co-op is probably good people.

China's a capitalist hellhole and boycotting them is doing the Chinese people a favor. They need to recover what little socialism ever made it into their system, and they can't do it while their economy is intertwined with our capitalist one. Trump's tariffs are good for both our countries.

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>You're spouting one-sided propaganda and pulling the Kirk transporter argument you fash are so fond of on me, accusing me of that which you are guilty to poison the well before I can accuse you with truth.
Buddy you keep asserting morality and I keep telling you morality is dictated by propaganda. Saying stalin didn't have to hide because he was justified is a joke statement, propaganda made him justified just like gobbels made hitler justified. Justification comes after action, not before.
>accusing me of that which you are guilty
I'm trying to move past these shitty morality arguments because they're entirely arbitrary. If hitler won your textbooks would be written by gobbels. What good is your history then? Golly gee aren't you glad the good guys won then. But you only know they're good because the history books say so. The christian bible paradox.

>So they have to pretend to share worker values
Isn't it your meme that cletus hates the niggers while properly educated folk love and respect them? What on earth makes you think workers give two fucks about gay rights or niggers?

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

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>What about when the fisherman leaves that fish shop to his son in his will? And his son leaves it to his son? That dead labor compounds to great enough heights to oppress living labor.
What if the fisherman was immortal and he compounded the labor himself? Would his fat stack of bezos jewgold then be legitimate?

Additionally, is the fisherman oppressing the shopkeeper by employing him in his single shop? If not, why does this become oppression when scaled up with thousands of shopkeepers and fishing shops?

>Buddy you keep asserting morality and I keep telling you morality is dictated by propaganda.
Sounds like some postmodern bullshit to me. Truth is objective. Some actions are objectively good, some actions are objectively bad. The only people that benefit from confusing that is liberals and fascists.

>If hitler won your textbooks would be written by gobbels. What good is your history then?

If my textbooks were written by Goebbels, the historical method would still allow me to figure out that the bad guys won. Historians, proper historians at least, analyze propaganda to read through the lines all the time. No proper historian takes a book, especially not a history book, at face value. Even just what's left unsaid speaks volumes.

>Isn't it your meme that cletus hates the niggers while properly educated folk love and respect them? What on earth makes you think workers give two fucks about gay rights or niggers?
More disingenuous bullshit. I refer you to this post I made earlier: To sum up, "Cletus" is the working class, and the "properly educated" are the wokelord children of the petty bourgeoisie who will get shot when the revolution comes. PC bullshit is a liberal value, not a Marxist-Leninist one.

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The immortality clause only holds for a proper comparison if all the other workers around him are immortal, in which case they could similarly build up wealth in the same manner and he would be unable to employ anyone unless he paid them the full value of their labor, because they could always just go work for themselves for the full value of their labor. Universal immortality would destroy capitalist relations.

>Additionally, is the fisherman oppressing the shopkeeper by employing him in his single shop? If not, why does this become oppression when scaled up with thousands of shopkeepers and fishing shops?

If that shopkeeper isn't paid the full value of his labor, with equal democratic rights as all the other workers at his workplace, he's being oppressed.

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>The immortality clause only holds for a proper comparison if all the other workers around him are immortal
No it doesn't. Immortality is a thought experiment to see if death and generational wealth is wrong. If the immortal guy is also in the wrong, then the problem isn't that the money is handed down until some brat grandkid ends up with a bunch of money he didn't personally earn, its something else.

>If that shopkeeper isn't paid the full value of his labor
How do you even determine that? By the existence of profit? What's the fisherman's cut for using his deferred labor to build the shop?

>Some actions are objectively good, some actions are objectively bad.
Okay sure, pretend there was some morality system that everyone agreed upon, like aggressors bad | self defense good. Gobbels could still twist history so that the romans were always the defenders and the gauls are always the aggressors. Objective morality doesn't conflict with twisted history. I'm arguing twisted history, not subjective morality.

>Historians, proper historians at least, analyze propaganda to read through the lines all the time.
What makes you think propaganda ends? Gobbels existed in 1945 and we know he tried to rewrite the historybooks. What makes you think the modern day analog isn't doing the same thing? Modern scholars aren't objective neutral observers, they play teams just like everyone else.

You came in with the stalin was justified because [thing historians said happened], and that just sounds like hitler was justified because gobbels said the jews stabbed him in the back. Take historians with a grain of salt.

>I refer you to this post I made earlier:
Okay but this doesn't answer what I'm saying. What makes you think construction workers give two fucks about nigs and fags? The whole assumption that the bourgeois are shilling fag acceptance to placate the masses assumes the masses actually want fags and nigs. Which they obviously don't, since the bourgeois use the government has to force them by law to let them in with anti discrimination laws.

The workers don't want niggers and gays. If the bourgeois hate fags and niggers, why they keep shilling for them?