Lying about being trans just so you can fuck the other person is rape by deception and is selfish on your part.
Wanting to date someone who was biologically born a man or woman is not transphobic.
If you were beaten and attacked for lying about being trans then you deserved it you disgusting piece of shit.
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How can it be rape if you're not even human?
Your kinda retarded OP
Then that would be considered beastieality my friend.
You're*
Also I can't be retarded when I am telling facts, only a retard would believe it's okay to deceive and traumatize their victim after violating them.
Trans people aren't even human.
>Your
>implying we both won't go to jail after I beat the shit out of them
I'm here trying to figure out what the fuck your fursona is....are you a fucking...Oppossum Juice box???
It's a Soda Dog.
....im gonna slurp you and call you a bitch
Nice try but I'm pretty sure the tranny would get shot before they could put up a fight.
Regret is not rape.
It should be a mitigating circumstance if you murder someone who surprised you by having a cock
Rape by deception is a real thing, read up retard. If they lie about it and reveal themselves later, then it is deception. To think it's okay is absolutely wrong, the other party is considered a victim.
A good brutal beating would definitely teach them not to do it again.
You belong in
or drawthreads. stop making retarded threads and gtfo.
Good luck with that.
Rape is FORCED SEX against ones will. If someone WILLINGLY has sex with someone then it is NOT RAPE. Stop fucking doing this shit. Stop trying to say everything is rape. My fucking friend was ACTUALLY RAPED AS A KID and this shit is so fucking disrespectful. Fuck you, I hope you fucking die.
Lol, here is why you are wrong.
It doesn't matter, trauma is still trauma, and rape by deception exists for a reason.
Lying about being trans is still rape yes, and dangerous for both parties.
Yes they consented, but information was being withheld from them because the trans person was being selfish KNOWINGLY that they would be refused if they told them up front, that is still RAPE.
They both end up traumatizing each other in the end, if you think it's even remotely okay to not disclose that you are transgender then you are fucking retarded and should not be trusted.
Using your poor friend as a refrain does not discredit anything I just said.
The UK has already recognized it for what it is, rape, and so should the states.
So shut the fuck up.
Well I travel a lot and I enjoy fucking foreign girls. Whenever I find myself in a place where this could happen (yes I've been to Trapland 6 times actually) I carry a small pair of scissors with me. Has not happened yet but if something I thought was a girl whipped out a cock I would snip it off in a heartbeat.
Most people who lie about being trans don't do it
>just so you can fuck the other person
They do it out of fear of rejection, out of a desire for emotional connection, and a need to express themselves as they see themselves. I'm not saying it's right - a relationship built on ignorance is doomed to fail. I'm just saying that you're an angry angry man.
By your logic telling any lie in the hopes that you can sleep with someone is rape. You don't know what people might find traumatizing, so maybe you raped her when you said you had a stable income? Or when you said you brushed your teeth?
>Wanting to date someone who was biologically born a man or woman is not transphobic.
That's the definition of transphobia you asshole
CONSENT IS NOT RAPE. I'm not saying deception is good, in fact it's a shitty thing to do, but I am say that if they CONSENT, IT'S NOT RAPE.
There are cases where people have lied for sex and have been imprisoned for it, rape by deception.
Wanting to date someone who is biologically born a man or woman isn't actually, it's basic fucking nature.
Yet again, you are wrong.
I take it you don't know what the word "preference" means
>Wanting to date someone who is biologically born a man or woman isn't actually, it's basic fucking nature.
Basic fucking nature if you are still ruled by your primitive reptile brain you trog. Live in the fucking 21st century and accept the fact that if you want to be a member of modern society, you better be ready to date some genderbenders. Otherwise hang yourself by your own genitals and stop stagnating the gene pool.
And yet people lie for sex all the time and it's rarely a crime. You'd have to prove severe damages, and I'm afraid someone having had surgery once doesn't qualify.
> reeeeee, you must date people that are mentally ill, or I will end up alone
don't force yourself on people, like you don't want people to be forced upon you.
But I guess you like being forced, you mentalcase you.
Wrong again, it's still wrong, the man was left ignorant and unaware on purpose, which is a LIE, basically meaning it was RAPE.
Meaning the trans person in question deserved to be arrested and should be considered a sexual predator.
IT IS RAPE, everyone knows it, you want to he accepted then go to people of your own kind within the community you can be open about it and date, stop thirsting after straight people you know who are obviously seeking a biologically normal partner they can actually reproduce with.
You are fucking disgusting, it's rape, it's deception, and those who lie should either be jailed or beaten to death.
It's hard to prove intent to deceive user, a trans person could just say "It's been so long since I even thought about being that gender, it just never came up."
Imagine thinking that today's modern illness is acceptable and should be normalized.
Imagine thinking that individuals with their own unique views and lives shouldn't be allowed to have a preference because "ooh I want that dick in my fake ass pussy" bullshit
As a judge I wouldn't take that excuse seriously, I agree with OP on this one.
It's not a mental illness, tinking it s okay to reject a trans man/woman after sex is not okay, you have to accept them for who they are.
>Imagine thinking that individuals with their own unique views and lives shouldn't be allowed to have a preference
No, they unironically shouldn't be allowed to hold primitive worldviews.
Sorry but having a preference is not primitive in any way, trans people are not entitled to people who do not want them. You are not entitled to anyone who does not want to have relations to you in any way. Your dumbed down thinking is downright ill and fucking autistic to say the least.
>trans people are not entitled to people who do not want them
That's where you are so wrong you mongoloid
Nice bait.
gender dysphoria is a mental disease. Just accept it you nutcase.
Good for you, enjoy being wrong with your mental illness.
You might not, but many would, especially those who actually know trans people. As a judge though, you should know that California is the only state in the US to have proper laws regarding rape by deception. Several extreme acts of deception led to new laws.
1. A man who convinced women they would die without having sex with him.
2. A man who impersonated a woman's boyfriend
If you read through the laws carefully you'll find lying about being trans doesn't cut it. A rape does in fact occur when a victim is not aware of the essential characteristics of the act (the sexual intercourse) - but this is unchanged with someone who is a passable as their transitioned gender.
Tranny cope. You're a man in a dress. No one will ever not be repulsed by you.
If you look closely you can see the father is dying on the inside.
I am fully aware, but I believe that it should be included due to the fact that it is quite dangerous for the trans person in question if they do not disclose their former gender.
>the tranny
>they
You seem to have things reversed. For this to be classified as rape by deception the victim would have to be the one in danger, through their ignorance.The perpetrator being in danger is not a valid reason to call an act rape.
Why are so many trans folks out there who think they are the special exception when it comes to shit like this? Just because you are passable does not make you immune to catching these hands.
Fail response
You can still be a victim even if you are not in danger, I still consider it rape, it's mentally ruined people before in the past. It is still rape.
If a passable trans person coaxes me into having sex with them without telling me beforehand, then my trust will be broken, I have every right to be angry and upset.
If you are obviously trans, I will obviously turn you down, it doesn't matter if you tell me or not, I will reject you.
Imagine trying to defend this, all of you who think it's okay should just kill yourselves right now.
you're on so many levels of trans acceptance i can't even comprehend
ok then, lets use some frontal lobe here you mentally ill degenerate.
You tricked a dude or woman into thinking youre a biological male/female. congrats retard, but now they know cuz u boutta fuck and they see you either have the wrong parts or a mangled pile of flesh.
you wasted their time , their energy, and are a useless waste of space, and they have th either murdered you, beaten you, or just left. maybe dont lie?? seems pretty easy to not lie tbh
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>You can still be a victim even if you are not in danger
I agree, I was just pointing out that your reason for it to be considered rape was not valid, but it would have been if you'd, you know, made it the opposite.
>it's mentally ruined people before in the past.
So has cheating, and lying about cheating so you can have sex with your wife, but that's not considered rape. Are you seeing the line yet? It's not deception if its something regarding your past, deception as rape can only come from the details of the act itself. If you cannot tell the person you fucked was trans then it can be assumed that there was no noticeable difference in the act itself. If you learn something new about a person that changes your opinion of them your sex doesn't become rape.
It literally is a mental illness, you stupid fucking faggot
Being angry with someone's boundaries reveals an attitude of sexual entitlement. This is toxic. Sexual preference is not transphobic.
It's not the same thing, lying about being trans is a lot more serious, the other stuff in in a different category that isn't even close enough to be compared.
You must be one of those deceptive trannies, why don't you take yourself to the trash.
>implying anyone raped by deception has ever been in danger
It is different, lying about cheating is worse.
how can you not tell? they either have a dick mangled pus dripping hole or a normal human vagina, or theyre a mtf that has a vagina...
what kind of fantasy land do you fags live in??
Nope, sorry but lying about your past about being organically a man or woman is still considered, in my eyes rape, it is wrong and lying about it should not be socially accepted.
this is correct and a commonly held truth in the LGBTQ community.
Do you really think the two are comparable? Holy fuck you must be fucking stupid.
I like the fucking tranny in here trying to convince people they don't rape the unsuspecting by not telling their sexual conquests the truth.
That they are a man or a woman at birth and remain one; just fucked up on hormones/surgery.
It's deception and it is 100% legal rape. I would call the cops and see you put in jail if we had the misfortune to have you try to deceive me. I would love to split your head open with a large object but sadly defending yourself from a sexual predator isn't covered in this case.
No, I just said they weren't, cheating is worse. Are you daft?
I doubt any of those sex offenders have anything to say about morality; they literally fuck children and indoctrinate them into becoming trannies/gays
>cheating is worse than literally raping someone
Sexual predator at its finest.
eh i'd fuck xer
>accidentally sleep with someone who used to be a man
>the government now treats this person as a woman
>this person lives like a woman
>this person feels and acts and is in all observable ways a woman
Imagine being so insecure with your sexuality that you feel "traumatized". Imagine how much disgust someone must have for trans people to consider this on the same level as rape.
>and they have th either murdered you, beaten you, or just left.
Even thinking of this should get you life in prison.
Are you fucking serious? I've been cheated on, am I even close to traumatized? No, I left the bitch and moved on. What the fuck kind of retarded gay ass pussy are you? Rape is far more traumatic you fucking nonce.
It's literally not rape in the US and never will be. It is at its worst falsely representing yourself, like saying you're rich when you're not.
straight people are pedophiles as well. The venn diagram of sex offenders overlaps more than just the LGBT community.
Imagine justifying rape, you sick piece of shit, it's literally a breaking of trust, they deserve to he arrested or beaten.
No, I expect you wouldn't be traumatized. I only expect you'd only be traumatized by sleeping with a trans person without knowing it if you were extremely transphobic.
Look at all of these faggots outting themselves in the thread.
>it's literally a breaking of trust, they deserve to he arrested or beaten.
No they do not. They deserve sex from a transphobic asshole like you.
Yes, it is a breaking of trust. It's a bad thing to do to someone. It's not rape.
It's not transphobic, it's a violation of trust and always will be, if you lie, you are a piece of shit 100%.
Someone can support transgendered people but still have their own personal sexual preference.
I think you mean the term RAPE
>saying you're rich is just as bad as tricking a man into having sex with you when you're a man
What the fuck logic are you working with here?
It's definitely illegal to pretend to be someone else just to have sex with someone. It's the same as pretending to be someone's boyfriend and fucking them in the dark.
It is still rape, because they lied to have sex with you. It is RAPE
It is a violation of trust, like lying about a job, or an ex girlfriend. To think this is the same thing as rape is insanity. Your intense reaction is clearly brought on by strong emotions and not logic. I assume those emotions are fear and disgust.
No one molests more children than the gays, they cover up the crimes of their people by sweeping it under the rug or falsely claiming the guy who fucked a boy was actually straight (??????).
Promote glow and growth of the gene pool by... not being able to reproduce with your partner because they have either the same genitals as you or a nonfunctioning parody of genitalia.
>i took the b8
It is not rape just because they do not have the parts nature gave them. Nature fucks up. Society should not. Accept trans for who they are and stop being a jackass.
How can you excuse rape exactly?
It's 100% rape!
It's 100% justified when the man reacts violently to BEING RAPED. Every dead trickster tranny is a fucking mark of justice in this cold world.
Sorry but they should be entitled to whatever gender they please without having to disclose their past and surgeries.
If that trans person wants a biological Male, then she should have every right to do so.
Same with other preferences, it's just as racist and homophobic if you only date a certain race or gender.
>its rape because you lied to have sex
lying about being rich to have sex: rape
lying about not cheating to have sex: rape
lying about brushing your teeth to have sex: rape
Obviously your claim is false, all of these things cannot be rape as well. Try again.
>nature fucks up
Pretty sure those XY chromosomes are fucking working the way they're supposed to.
Its nutcases who run with their mental illnesses who are in the wrong.
And if they can't help it, clearly they have a problem with raping people and should just be shot en mass like the dangerous beasts they are.
>Every dead trickster tranny is a fucking mark of justice in this cold world.
Every transphobe dismembered alive in prison is a justice to this world
Lying about your income or not sharing that you're homeless in the hopes that you might have sex are not crimes, they're just bad things to do. Certainly not rape.
It is rape because it fucking is, sex is very personal, it's not the same as a job you fucking nonce. They were tricked to either fuck or get fucked by someone who lied about their fucking gender, it is wrong, it is completely logical and you are ass blasted retarded.
>should just be shot en mass like the dangerous beasts they are.
Wow. I'm so happy that in a decade or so you would be executed for just saying that
>implying anyone in prison would ever hate someone who killed a rapist
Never said they were, dipshit. Your wallet and genitals are different things.
I'm happy I still live in a decade with sense then, because there is literally nothing better than when a faggot/tranny gets killed for being a degenerate.
Also a decade where people do murder them and get away with it through loopholes.
They are the greatest of heroes.
To all the faggots in the back, it's rape, there is nothing else to discuss, we must bring more awareness as it's disturbing that so many of you fools think rape by deception is okay.
>it's rape because it is
Circular logic at its finest. The problem here user, is that you really dislike the idea of being lied to by a significant other about their gender. It clearly terrifies you. I get the sense that you think this is something that happens often, that there are loads of malicious trans people out to trick others into having sex. This is not the case, and honestly it reflects a very ignorant view of the transgender community.
Moreover, your intense emotions regarding gender have left you incredibly biased. Surely you must know that there are people who feel just as strongly about cheating. These people would also say that lying about cheating in order to have sex is rape. They, like you, are incorrect.
>rape by deception is okay.
It is okay if it is done by a sexual minority you idiot. Like they haven't got it hard enough already. Dogmuncher.
Look at this fool trying his hardest to justify to user that it's not rape, you are literally a cyst on the butt of this planet to think you have any valid point in this argument just because you like to lengthen your excuse to look smart.
>raping people is okay if its done by a minority
This is literally how faggots and trannies think.
No wonder they're pushing for legal pedophila.
You
>Never said they were. Your wallet and genitals are different things.
Also you
>It's definitely illegal to pretend to be someone else just to have sex with someone.
It is not illegal to pretend you are not homeless in order to have the opportunity to have sex. It is falsely representing yourself, it is a violation of trust, and it is a bad things to do, but its not illegal and it's certainly not rape.
>Your wallet and genitals are different things
How? They are both lies about your past. They both severely effect how people perceive you and what they desire from you. They are both potentially very upsetting.
>it's okay if it's done by a sexual minority
You're the dumbest cunt in this thread aren't you pal.
>legal pedophila.
This is what white people and those so called cis guys do you cuntflap
Let's not forget majority of the LGBTQ is white and makes up most of the USAs pedophile cases
I sincerely hope you get your ass pounded to smithereens by a ladyboy with a 15 incher. Serves you right.
>and makes up most of the USAs pedophile cases
It is easy being a lying sack of jackass shit isn't it
Despite the majority of people who know it's wrong, there are always those few who still try to reach for any justification for their sick fetish. It's rape.
Reach harder for them cookies you degenerates!
I hope you get raped in the ass by a Cactus while a shotgun is pointed at your head you sick cunt.
>their sick fetish. It's rape.
Not a sick fetish but a perfectly acceptable lifestyle choice. It is NOT rape you asshole, gosh you really enjoy mentally living in the 1800s or what
Imagine being this mad, in your dreams you failed abomination.
Pretending to not be homeless and pretending to be a real woman is entirely a different thing.
Your wallet can change (maybe you win that lottery or more realistically get your life back on track), your genetics and your gender cannot.
>They're both lies about your past
Your genitals and your gender do not change no matter how much surgery or how much you mutilate them.
Your arguement is fucking nonsense buddy, and it really shines a light into just how right people are to hate transgendered people. You're showing a clear case of how untrustworthy and deceptive your lot is.
Too bad 90% of molestation cases are done by the gays of either gender.
Now we know why you wanted that bathroom so much huh?
>I hope you get raped in the ass by a Cactus
Dude you are sick in the head. No wonder you hate perfectly fine human beings just because they did not like what was given to them in their groins. Idiot, jump off a cliff
You've yet to make a single valid point. You can only resort to circular logic to explain yourself. You've contradicted yourself numerous times. You've pretended to be a judge. You're constantly getting trolled by anons like .
You're going to all this trouble to express your fear and disgust over something that will never happen to you or anyone you know. You're incapable of leaving me be because you know I'm speaking logic and truth. Hell, you even think I look smart. But I'm not user, I'm just right.
>perfectly acceptable lifestyle
Deceiving people for sex after mutilating yourself is not a lifestyle you fucking egg.
Yeah I accept them to be whiny childish retards
They're literally incapable of understanding (or maybe even excusing themselves for raping someone in the past)
Dressing up like a chick and getting fucked by dudes is definitely a fetish.
>perfectly fine human beings
>implying I'm the sick bastard
You must be joking, I never laughed so hard in my life.
>after mutilating yourself
Mutilating? Wow you really are a moron aren't you
He's making many points, you're just incapable of understanding that rape is rape.
If you have to lie to get into bed with someone about what you are; you are a rapist.
So let me get this straight. The claim you're trying to make now is that lying to someone is rape if you lie about something that can't change?
Tell me user, is lying about having gone to the same high school as a girl rape?
How about lying about your ancestry?
How about lying about your age to seem younger?
No user, of course they aren't. Try again.
Aww so sweet. You thought I was the judge, you're really fucking retarded, we all know it's rape, I joined the conversation, there shouldn't even be an arguement about this, there are even trans people out there who agree with what I said, why the fuck is it that hard to register for a confused normie like you?
OP, we all know it's you, you can stop pretending - stop pretending you're other people, stop pretending you can call something rape just because you don't like it, stop pretending you're expressing anything other than a purely emotional reaction.
Bottom surgery is literal genital mutilation you flacid dick waffle.
This
>Says "I joined the conversation"
>Is still posting the same art he started with in the OP of the thread
>Calls me retarded
Chopping your dick into pieces or cutting off your tits is definitely mutilation.
Wasn't there a big push for anti female mutilation a while back? Where are all those voices now that women are willfully mutilating themselves to satisfy their mental illness?
None of that is even close to equivalent to lying about being a woman to seduce a man into bed.
You're fucking insane to think that raping someone is acceptable as long as you're a tranny.
Here's an actual case (woman on woman this time)
Cant be raped by a tranny if youre a beta virgin anyways. Not attacking anyone btw, just sharing my personal experience in averting being raped.
That's a false equivalency. Try harder
I think this is the other way around buddy, it's you who's samefagging in this scenario, it's hard to believe that this many users in Yea Forums would become this pathetic just to defend rape. You're retarded in your own fashion.
There are literally 24 posters within this thread.
>Dressing up like a chick and getting fucked by dudes is definitely a fetish.
So is imagining having good sex with a disgusting cis woman.
Nope, wrong again tranny.
It's definitely rape and the majority does not support your fucking weird issue
Fuck you nigger i'm a autobot and nothing you say can change that.
>mental illness?
You are a fucking nutcase are you not, faggot?
Lying to fuck someone might not be considered rape legally but that doesn't change the fact trannies are useless mentally retarded scum.
You mean normal, non-degenerate same-sex sexual intercourse?
You know it's the norm for a reason right?
There is literally nothing good about two faggots plugging each others anuses
I'm not trying to cut my dick off, so no I'm not.
Kek
^ This guy gets it
Someday I hope the states recognize as rape like we do in the UK
Raping is not acceptable. Omitting your past surgeries / medical treatments before having sex is. Sure it's a bad thing to do, it's just not a crime, let alone rape.
You think lying about your ancestry isn't comparable? It can be traumatic if you lie to a white person about being white to have a baby with him. It's also a lie about something that can never change. You still haven't explained how this is different from lying about a gender transition.
I wanna suck your soda dogs toes
>samefagging
lolnope, but it's nice to know there are a lot of anons who see your stupidity.
>There is literally nothing good about two faggots plugging each others anuses
Homophobic cunt. You should get raped like, for real.
OP i just want to sat that I approve of your thread and I would support all the anti porn raiders if they shut down trans threads on Yea Forums and made their existence here hell
they should start small and gain a following by telling trannies to fuck off
90% of bbc and porn threads will leave too since its all in the tanny discord rule set how to bombard b and pol with tranny acceptance and bbc porn
Newfag needs his nuggets nipped
I want to post a message to all the straight but curious anons on this board right now browsing cock and trap threads.
You are not gay, You are not bisexual, or curious, or questioning, or going through an experimental phase. You are simply so desensitized by all the kinds of porn one can find in today's time that sex as such no longer arouses you, but you have totally conflated the ideas of arousal and taboo.
You probably have heard the term "boipucci" so many times now that you might even believe it's something other than a dude's arsehole. You might have ironically called someone "she" enough that you honestly think traps aren't just faggot men in stockings.
But once you are there yourself, and realize that not only does he not touch you like a girl, or look like a girl, or that he is not a fucking girl, you will realize that this must have been one hell of a series of serious conscious mistakes that got you to this position. Your disgust for yourself will be legendary. You won't be able to sleep, eat, or look at yourself in the mirror, possibly never again, because you have done something so low and disgusting and sad and you can never take it back. Even if nobody else will ever know, you do.
So get the fuck off the trap threads. Hell, get the fuck off Yea Forums and Yea Forums altogether, whatever it takes to stay the fuck away from gay shit. It will hurt parts of you that you really don't want to hurt.
If you keep that a secret from me, i am going to make sure that everyone learns of that secret.
>expecting to believe that someone who makes their defining trait not being the gender that they were born think that it wont come up when its time for sex.
As is well within your right user, assuming you don't do it in a harassing manner, because that actually is a crime.
>tfw gay and in denial
By those very rules, a man who impersonated another man's girlfriend would qualify
Lying about being female and having sex with a male is rape. I like how I literally link a court case to you where the gender-swapped thing happened and not a fucking word is said.
It is and definitely always will be rape by deception.
Your gender and ancestry are NOT comparable. Having sex with someone of mixed race is not the same at all as having sex with someone who has the WRONG genitals that a person would have.
You tried to reason that raping someone as a man pretending to be a woman is not rape by virtue of a homeless man pretending to have money to fuck someone isn't rape.
Do you not understand the simple logic that is how utterly and completely different those two things are?
You will always be male, if you ever say you're female or that you're "transgender" you're a fucking liar and just as bad as that guy who pretended to be his brother to fuck his brother's wife.
Well, I'm not inviting any trannies into my bedroom so that's not going to happen.
There's no such thing as homophobia or transphobia either. They're both natural reactions of disgust towards degenerates who are LITERALLY FLOODING THIS THREAD WITH PRO RAPE STATEMENTS!
I wish this could be required reading before browsing any thread
Uh, yes, that is almost exactly the scenario that led to the creation of the law. How is that relevant to the topic at hand?
I guess I would set up a directory where people who have been fucked (haha) over can contribute their trannies then we will spam all social media with that information constantly.
>Tricking someone into having sex with you by pretending to be a chick isn't rape and not a crime
>Telling everyone that you're a dude is somehow a crime
wut
Get help
Good luck thinking being mentally I'll and traumatizing other people in the process is socially acceptable you sick tranny fuck.
If you wish rape on someone you are not equal or immune to what will come to you. You're not a good person, you're a mentally ill fuck.
Thank you and I agree, I will try to post more in my spare time and spread the good word. I'm sure others will tag along.
PREACH
Not everyone is that repressed fag. Honestly what is wrong with experimenting? You dip your feet and the water and it's not for you. Grow the fuck up.
Also, courses on how to spot trannies
Because that's what the thread is about; trannies pretending to be women and raping unsuspecting men by deception
ty user i shall carry ur msg into the dying light and share it with everybody
Have a great night user, I'm sorry your thread is being spammed by nutcases
>LITERALLY FLOODING THIS THREAD WITH PRO RAPE STATEMENTS!
Repeat after me you piece of cis horse shit:
THIS. IS. NOT. RAPE.
Nothing else to discuss yet you're bombarding Yea Forums with your pink fursona and keep calling people degenerates, retarded, and fools.
Yes, continue to demoralize others in this thread for your useless power tripping.
Also tl;dr, rape sucks, especially when you get drugged by someone you trusted.
second'd
I will be the second torch runner of his message. Let it go forth and flourish.
>calling trannies sick fuck
>is himself a fucking furry by the looks of it
Go fuck a hedgehog you degenerate
The crowd says otherwise fool.
You keep saying it's rape but you still haven't explained how. Falsely representing your genetics isn't rape. Why would falsely representing your gender be? Is that not also genetics like your ancestry?
>Having sex with someone of mixed race is not the same at all as having sex with someone who has the WRONG genitals
user, if they have the wrong genitals and you can't tell their gender, then you weren't deceived, you're just dumb.
>contribute to the birth of a son
>work hard to give him a good childhood
>unfortunately he was born around the dawn of the 21st century
>throws all the years of your fatherhood in your face and says he is a girl
>likely getting piped by men regularly
>might get his dick cut off
>chance of your lineage being continued: 0%
what a waste of resources.
Because that's what a transsexual pretending to be a women is doing
>A man lying about being a woman's husband is rape
>A man lying about being a woman and having sex with another man isn't rape
I see the same act happening, but for some reason you don't think its the same?
In both cases its a man pretending to be something he isn't so that he can convince another person to have sex with him.
It really speaks ill of the trannies that they can't be honest with people and have to resort to rape; then have to use mental gymnastics to excuse it.
Thanks for proving my point
Just because you turn an inie into an outie or vice versa does not mean you have different genitals. Dilate more faggot.
Please feel free to make a discord if you can, I would definitely join and it will surely help organize better to bring awareness to this filth, any trolls or SWJs can easily be banned.
I've explained it countless times.
They're using false pretenses to trick someone into having sex with them.
Your gender is not your ancestry, do you not know what ancestry even means? Your gender is made up of two chromosomes and it has NOTHING to do with your ancestry.
>weren't decieved
If they're going to bed with you thinking you're a woman and you've got a penis or a mutilated mess of what once was a penis, you've deceived them. How is this not getting through to you?
That literally didn't prove anything you egg.
Very different things user. Pretending to be someone's boyfriend means you are making someone have sex with you without their knowledge. Not explaining your original gender is different, you aren't making them have sex with a person they don't intend to have sex with. You are making them have sex with a gender they don't intend to have sex with, but that's no different than lying about any other personal characteristic or circumstance - not rape. The exact wording that explained this was:
>when a victim is not aware of the essential characteristics of the act (the sexual intercourse)
See that knowledge of your past, gender, etc, are not included, only knowledge of the sexual act itself.
>Consent is not rape
False consent, that is consent given based on a lie, or consent given when one cannot reliably give it (intoxication etc) are not real consent, so yeah, false consent is still rape. It's not regret, it's 'you tricked me into having sex with you, violating my right to give informed consent or refuse it'.
This is a fucking good idea
>The whole idea behind being a trap is to trick straight men into having sex with you
>This is okay though
>you egg
Think of something more original you mouse testicle
If they acquire consent while employing the lie, the consent was not informed and therefore not legal, therefore not consensual sex.
Rape.
>They're using false pretenses to trick someone into having sex with them.
This is not illegal or rape in US law.
>you've deceived them
Sure, that's true. And now you have a choice - do I sleep with the person with genitals I don't like who lied to me or don't I? Because you have this choice it is not rape.
Okay anus of a dried squid.
Suck my penis
The size of your dick would make a German businessman laugh you tapeworm
>throws all the years of your fatherhood in your face and says he is a girl
I'm okay with this. I'm not a psycho, I didn't reproduce for some mission, just for lulz.
>I didn't reproduce for some mission, just for lulz.
idiot
>not making them have sex with a person they don't intend to have sex with
Yeah, I'm pretty sure when you pick up a chick at a bar you're intending to have sex with a woman.
Your original gender IS your gender, and you're lying to everyone in the room by presenting yourself AS a woman.
>victim is not aware of the essential characteristics of the act
Pretty sure a heterosexual man is not going to aware that he's about to have sex with a man. So yeah its 100% deceptive rape by your own definition. Heterosexual sex intercouse is not similar to homosexual sexual intercourse.
For one thing, several sexual characteristics of one of the partners is missing.
Physically and emotionally intimate relations can be ended for any reason or no reason.
>when a victim is not aware of the essential characteristics of the act (the sexual intercourse)
An essential characteristic of straight sex is that it must occur between two people of opposite, cisgendered, sexual partners. Therefore lying about our omitting your sex with a partner is obscuring an essential characteristic.
This logic is exactly what makes me not accept them in the first place. Good Job.
>while employing the lie
user, we're talking about a lie by omission. It's insanity to require someone to disclose their medical history for them to have sex without it being considered rape.
Suck it yourself. I have no interest in males.
>Oops, forgot to tell you I have HIV.
Doesn't matter, had sex. Stay mad, loser.
You will be forced you cis scum.
And you will be forced to board the trains.
>And now you have a choice
Not if they've fully transitioned, and try to pretend their inverted penis is a vagina. Man fully transitioned transwoman could trick a man all the way to sex, and inform him afterward, at which point she has committed rape by deception.
In the state of Washington, it is a crime to not disclose that you have any STDs, if you have any you must tell the other person or else you could risk the charges and even go to jail over it.
Why so serious? A comet would finish your lineage anyway. That, or a fucking GigaGitler rising to power and causing a Turbocaust, eliminating 95% of the world population.
>Yeah, I'm pretty sure when you pick up a chick at a bar you're intending to have sex with a woman.
And whether or not she is a woman she is still the same person who you chose to have sex with.
>Pretty sure a heterosexual man is not going to aware that he's about to have sex with a man.
Likewise someone might not be aware they are going to have sex with a homeless person, a cousin, or any other type of person they'd find repulsive if they knew. This is possibly a situation with deception, it's just not a deception that can be classified as rape.
Well after I'm eating dirt I couldn't care less what would happen to my blood, but as long as I live I'd like to see my crotch goblins thrive and multiply. And I'd like to see the planet free of nutcase trannies.
Yes it is? It's rape by deception. You're lying about who you really are just for sex. See man having sex with brother's wife pretending to be him.
>Because you have this choice it is not rape
If both parties are intoxicated and have sex and/or its too dark and he can't tell (maybe he's found the one girl who's into anal so he goes with it) then it'd be rape.
Or if they've gotten their surgery and their inverted wangs are a cunning trap. I'd fucking vomit if I stuck my dick literally into another man's mutilated dick.
If they dropped their pants and revealed a wang, yes I'd have an out to say no as a choice; but pretty sure that's not what we're talking about since its strictly about whether the act of unknowingly having sex with a man pretending to be a woman is rape.
That's your personal issue, don't try pushing it onto your offspring, they'll retaliate even harder.
If my cousin knew she was fucking her cousin and didnt make a peep about it I would be very disturbed. It might even drop my back into my depression...maybe I would kill myself.
It is not insane to require that certain things be disclosed. As other user said, HIV positive people should be legally required to disclose it. Same should be true of anyone who has recorded a formal diagnosis of any STI, as well as trans people, because these are relevant to a person's giving consent. Whole medical history is not what is being asked for, just relevant things. It's not a lie by omission, presenting an inverted penis as a vagina is an actual lie if you do so wanting to have sex with someone who obviously wants to fuck a vagina.
If you try to force me to do anything, I will shoot you for trying to violate my rights.
>still the same person
He's definitely not the same person they thought they were, by biological definition of male and female.
Gender =/= societal class, cousin, etc
It's definitely a deception that can be classified as rape because the act of sexual intercourse that was expected (heterosexual) cannot by definition happen.
If a girl picks up a tall guy who she thinks is 20 but is actually 13, has she committed rape? Has he committed rape? By your bizarre logic, no she hasn't and neither has he.
>they'll retaliate even harder.
Well there is a chance yes, but there are remedies if your offspring start to disappoint
They can have fun trying to get ramen money by being a tranny stripper all they want lol, I'm not their dad anymore
I'm afraid this is a stretch, legally speaking. I'd considered it too, but obscuring a personal characteristic is not the same as obscuring the circumstances of a sexual act. Circumstances of a sexual act include things like the persons involved, consent, and direct consequences (like for instance, if someone were to lie and say you'd die if you didn't have sex with them). In these cases there is also clear intent to deceive for sex, but proving that a transgender person never explained their original gender just to have sex is near impossible. Moreover, it would be illegal to require transgender people to disclose their medical history to have sex without it being considered rape.
>But genitals don't define gender
That's all this really boils down to. You should just accept that person unconditionally and have sex with them regardless.
so when you say lying about being trans i think of these dudes with 5 o clock shadows dressed like farmhands who say they're "transitioning" and you must use "they/gym" pronouns but they seem to never actually transition
At least his offspring would be better off than you were since they clearly have parents who actually care for them; wanting to mutilate yourself an all.
You can't tell a real vagina from a fake one?
>laughs in greentext
>And whether or not she is a woman she is still the same person who you chose to have sex with.
Nope. Her being a woman is an 'essential characteristic' of the straight sex I wanted to have. Rape by deception.
>Likewise someone might not be aware they are going to have sex with a homeless person, a cousin, or any other type of person they'd find repulsive if they knew. This is possibly a situation with deception, it's just not a deception that can be classified as rape.
None of these are, as you put it based on an actual law, 'essential characteristics of the intercourse', for a straight man, the sex of your partner IS.
Bad Friday night in the wrong bar? :)
Well thanks for informing me that you are armed. I'll take the precautions needed. Sucking cock with your hands amputated by shotgun is not going to be fun you scum
>there are remedies
>I'm not their dad anymore
That'll be the remedy only for your burning butt, loser.
No normie emojis on this board, get out Newfag.
Yes, that's understandable. It's like I keep saying, omitting information about yourself to make sex more likely is an awful thing to do. It's just not rape.
the father looks like he fucked his son and wonders that his wife isnt a bit suspicious about the outcome or suspicious at all...
It should definitely be legal. I'd push through legislation that made it so everyone who wants to indulge in their mental illness instead of trying to cure it would have to wear identifiers or have to disclose their status like sex offenders have to.
It would definitely cut down on this tranny-rape as well as curb some of the molestation epidemics happening around the country.
Some random guy pretending to be a boyfriend: not the same person.
Some random guy who cut his penis off: still the same person.
>not rape
But it is by definition
Is it just straight sex that matters to you, though? Would it be a deception if she turned out to have a huge birth mark all over her belly?
You ABSOLUTELY SURE you want to stick any part of your body into that sarlacc pit? Especially your cock?
>>Lying about being trans just so you can fuck the other person is rape by deception and is selfish on your part.
>>who hurt you lol
>None of these are, as you put it based on an actual law
That's right, because the only law for this in the US is in a single state (California) and they were afraid that it could be used too broadly, so they decided it could only apply to deceptions about the sexual act, not about the people involved in the sexual act.
xD You got me ;)
But your response made me Q___Q
Absolutely! Plus every time they need to talk to someone they must begin with 'I am mentally ill and I have the wrong set of genitals in my pants, please excuse my degeneracy'.
Genitalia don't define gender but I'm not interested in the gender of the person I have sex with. I'm only interested in the sex. I'm gender blind. I've had a genderfluid partner before and it didn't phase me when she wanted to be a boy for a while because at the end of the day I enjoyed sex with her because she was the opposite sex, not because of how she saw herself. You cannot force me to consider gender when having sex with people. I am completely entitled to limit my partners to the opposite sex, because that is my sexual preference. And you can't tell me I shouldn't do that because sexuality and gender identity are protected characteristics, and my sexuality is heterosexual.
Trans people don't qualify as participating in the human race so it's really a moot point idk why everyone is so fired up go back to /lgbt/ with your bullshit
This is fucking disgusting jesus christ
First paragraph is right, second and third
And we would be legally allowed to piss on them in public, and they won't be allowed to do anything in return!
>still the same person
No, they're not the same person. The guy pretending to be a chick is pulling a deception for homosexual sex with an otherwise straight male.
If he wanted to have sex with a gay guy, why is he so secretive about his true gender?
By definition rape is unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception.
Make note of the very first thing stated
>unlawful sexual activity
of which it is not.
Correction:
Some random guy with surgical alterations impersonating a woman. Not the same person.
You try to legitimize a culture of deception which should be a crime in and of itself. I have severe trust issues and if someone would so blatantly deceive me Id probably kill them and/or myself out of pure impulse. This is not about what is legal but about what is morally acceptable by now. Maybe consider that trannies are not the only people who have difficulties and you never know if you may be in the process of breaking someone to the point of no return. If you dont want to be lied to, dont lie to people.
Yep, or they should just be sectioned in a nut house til they get past their delusion.
Back to plebbit.
>why is he so secretive about his true gender?
She considers herself a chick. You can just ask if it really bothers you and you have suspicions.
>pretending to be a chick
No, he believes he is a chick. This may be deception of himself, but it's not deception of the other consenting adult.
You think you suddenly become a new person because of a surgery?
Yes it does? We learned this shit in like third grade my dude. Boys are boys and girls are girls. Later in sex ed you learned the true difference (males have a penis, girls a vagina). While there's cases of hermaphrodites, they are extremely rare and only have one working set of genitals and are more of a mutation than a true gender. You had a relationship with a female who has a mental illness that makes her think she's not strictly female.
I was thinking of on-the-spot executions for any reason, but now I believe forced labor camps would be more beneficial. At least we should be able to squeeze some productivity out of that degeneracy.
>mutation
Which is cause for euthanasia anyway so even these rare cases are meaningless
No, I'm not legitimizing anything, I'm sharing knowledge. It's a shame though, because when you correct people they assume your agenda can't be at all similar, that you're on "opposite sides". I don't think neglecting to share your original gender is the same as raping someone, but I do think it's wrong and warrants a legal solution.
There's more than one type of rape user. Rape by intoxication, rape by deception, etc etc.
Generally the consensus legally is if it occurs against the consent (or they cannot consent) of one party it is a rape.
That's a really fresh idea, never seen in history, can't imagine how it can go wrong.
>There's more than one type of rape
Yes, I listed them all in the post you just responded to. I'm aware, and I know that not disclosing your medical history before sex is perfectly legal. It's not rape. This includes gender transitions.
Sorry, I am touchy on the subject of dishonesty for personal gain and jumped straight to opposition. Wouldnt making it rape be a legal solution though?
*He considers himself a chick
I should never have to ask someone what their gender is.
I could consider myself the president of the Earth but I wouldn't have any powers.
It's definitely a deception of the consenting party.
Consent given under false pretenses =/= actual consent.
If I asked a woman to have sex with me because I was dying of cancer when I wasn't; that would be rape and yes people have been jailed for that specific example.
How is lying about your gender better than lying about dying?
Not disclosing your medical history when you knowingly have a deadly disease is cause for a rape charge. Some people who have HIV who didn't tell their partners got hit with a charge because they knowingly deceived their partner and had sex under false pretenses.
>I'm afraid this is a stretch, legally speaking.
Nope. You said
>Circumstances of a sexual act include things like the persons involved
If the other person involved is not what they claim to be, they have lied about one of the circumstances of the sexual act. We all know straight men want to have sex with women, and that in the overwhelming majority of cases, this means biological, not self identified. If the man discovers he had been tricked into having sex with a male, it could be traumatic, leading to depression and even psychoses. It is a circumstance of the sexual act for a heterosexual man that the partner should be female, and everyone, trans women included, know this. It is impossible for them not to lure intentionally because in the current state of society they are constantly reminded of their true sex and made to feel bad about it. Tits is something they themselves user as a reason for their fight for greater acceptance. It is near impossible not too prove that their deceit was intentional because they all know that they would not receive consent of they did not lie. The fact that they need to lie to acquire consent is an issue and the law would not defend them doing so.
>Moreover, it would be illegal to require transgender people to disclose their medical history
My point is that it SHOULD not. Them not doing so is shitting on the rights of others, they made a choice to undergo a transition, it is unfair to deny others choices based on their choosing to present as a female. STIs can result in infection of not disclosed. Discovering you have been fucking someone who led about what they are to you can result in severe mental trauma. Both put the victim of the dishonesty at risk, so both should be required to be disclosed prior to consent.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's still not rape, it's rape.
But is it still ok to beat someone for actually being trans?
You definitely are arguing for it not to be considered rape and supporting people who get raped under deceptive conditions. You're definitely on an opposite side buddy, and I'll happily oppose the simple virtue of "lying to your partner to get sex is absolutely wrong and is illegal or should be made illegal."
The penalty for rape would be unfair, especially in cases without clear intent to deceive. Moreover, it's very difficult to make a law that includes deception as a form a rape, it's very easily made too broad (as I was demonstrating with all the examples like cheating, ancestry, cousins, etc). My agenda is to prevent innocent people from being accused of rape, while simultaneously creating a recourse for the more specific act of gender deception.
Yes, especially if they trap guys into homosexual sex and risk spreading HIV further.
>I should never have to ask someone what their gender is.
If it bothers you so much and you consider it a possible threat - why not? It's just one sentence that you have to pronounce.
So if a cis-guy lies and says he's a trans-man in order to have sex with a trans-girl, and the trans-girl finds out, OP thinks the trans girl should be allowed to beat him up and murder him.
>Some people who have HIV who didn't tell their partners got hit with a charge
This is true. That charge was not rape.
Nigger
>prevent innocent people from being accused of rape
You're advocating for people to deceive their partners and lure them to rape them quite literally by deception.
>lying to your partner to get sex is absolutely wrong and is illegal or should be made illegal
But we agree there user. It's just not rape.
All trans are lying to themselves. Is it rape when they masturbate?
Genitals define sex. Which is the point I was making. As a straight male you are entitled to your sexuality, and if your sexuality is wanting to fuck biologically female people then that is a protected characteristic. A person's self identification is not part of my sexuality so regardless of whether you consider gender and sex to be synonymous or not, I don't want to have sex with biological males, and a biological male tricking me by pretending to be biologically female is rape by deception.
I'm sorry, but how do you get that from me saying there should be legal recourse for the specific act of gender deception? I said it was wrong, it just can't be legally defined as rape.
>If both parties are intoxicated
Then whatever happens is their own damned fault, all of it. Drink responsibly or don't fucking drink. The world around you is not your fucking babysitter. Have some god damned personal accountability and practice some fucking self-preservation.
Good idea->Make trans people tell people they are trans.
What if you find out that she is a she, but has a damn underdeveloped twin face on the inside of her thigh? Would you still slam on that puss? If "yes, but with lights off" - why not slam that trans boy ass then?
Unfortunately this would be trans people at risk for violence / harassment, and general discrimination. It's also a breach of their basic human rights.
If a man is so hung up on chromosomes that he might murder a girl if she doesn't have the right ones, then he should tell her that before he has sex with her.
She might not want to have sex with a guy like that, after all.
Why would that be a breach of their basic human rights? And if that leads to harassment they can call the police you know?
Because its not a problem outside of a few fringe mental patients sneaking into non-gay bars/clubs and tricking people into thinking they're women.
If this was 40 years ago they'd be beaten to death in the streets and no one would have been charged.
Yes they did get charged with rape, because they knew (or feared) the person wouldn't have sex with them if they knew they had a contagious disease.
It is rape by deception. I don't know why you're so defensive. It's exactly the same as the guy who pretended to be his wife's husband. False circumstances in which the person would normally say no gives their consent makes their consent invalid.
Yeah, I agree with you there bud.
Because by not legally classifying it as rape (which is indeed is) you're defending the perpetrators as innocents even though they're definitely guilty of rape under deception.
If we are not stupid and assiduously execute every tranny who gets even a bit out of line we are all good.
Then trans people need to date within the LGBTQ community in places and groups that will knowingly accept them instead of trying to date within groups where they have to lie knowingly that people would reject them in the first place.
Yeah, if it bothers you - you should be the one asking. You shouldn't expect everyone to notify you about everything that can make you unhappy, that's infantile bullshit.
>with a person who is ... incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception.
>incapable of valid consent because of ... deception
My sexuality is straight. I only wish to have sex with biologically female people. Near enough all straight men have this preference. And the trans community know this, all of them. They know they will not receive consent if they do not lie. Deception is literally always demonstrably deliberate, because they all read/watch/consume media talking about their situation in the dating world.
The unlawfulness of the activity is determined by the left of valid consent. If there is no valid consent because of deception them the sexual activity is unlawful.
Rape.
Most men will react violently if another male is trying to rape them user
rightfully so
Yeah but we're not talking about that situation.
Well if you're going off the UN, that would fall under the right to social protection.
>tricking people into thinking they're women
Bruh, if it bothers you - you should ask. I won't bail out of having a sex with a great person because I'll have to fuck their butt instead of their vagina, so I won't ask.
>If this was 40 years ago they'd be beaten to death in the streets and no one would have been charged.
If it was 4000 years ago - they would have been eaten, lol, wtf is that appeal to the past.
>responsible adults who drink and don't engage in dangerous activity (driving) and only want to have a fun night are to blame when they get raped by someone who otherwise they would never have sex with
Okay, so you know that rape by intoxication is absolutely a thing right?
>Have some god damned personal accountability and practice some fucking self-preservation
This is hilarious coming from the tranny 'safe space' and 'triggered' crowd. You freaks try to make the world bend to your will and when people don't want to be raped by you then its them that are being the babies. Holy fuck, what mental gymnastics! You'd win gold!
There is always clear intent to deceive. Trans women know they will not receive consent without a lie. It is the subject of dozens of Ted talks and thousands of articles in communities they are all active members in (there are zero trans people who are not an active part of one or more such communities). Their therapists discuss sex and dating before referring them to surgery (zero surgeries without referral).
They know. Intent is clear.
>I only wish to have sex with biologically female people
Just say that somewhen during the date and you'll save yourself from seeing a tranny dick.
What does that even mean?
We have been for this entire thread actually. This is 100% a rape thread.
They are not the person they are pretending to be from a sexual perspective. That is an essential component of straight sex.
>Yes they did get charged with rape
Please, by all means, show me a single conviction.
>It is rape by deception
Incorrect. In California, the only US state that recognizes rape by deception, it must be deception regarding the act itself, not the people engaged in the act. This is because otherwise it becomes too broad, and you'd find people being accused of rape for lying about all sorts of things.
Seeing as the tranny is the one who altered and mutilated themselves to look deceiving. They need to be the one to disclose this in the first place as not to waste time.
The appeal of the past is normal men don't have to worry about literal faggots in dresses trying to trick them into sex and either raping them or wasting their night.
Maybe they should seek ACTUAL mental help and work through their mental illness rather than take the easy road and let their illness fester.
>an essential component of straight sex
That's a great postrock band name. And tracks should have fitting names, so you'll read on your stereo:
>an essential component of straight sex - no transgender participants
If you want to have sex with a trans person then you have to ask them if they are trans. If you don't you cannot say you were deceived. No one is required to disclose that information before having sex.
Moreover, I've been talking about specific legal definitions, not a general definition like the one I gave there. In these definitions there are very strict guidelines for what can be considered rape by deception, and lying about gender isn't included - not can it be. Legal change would action would have to be instituted with a charge other than rape.
I hope to meet a blind lesbian someday. With my mantits I may be able to trick her into thinking I am just very butch. Voice impressions are a hobby of mine and when she sucks on my micropeen which is obviously just a big clit ill "female ejaculate" right into her mouth. I identify as a lesbian.
>they are not the person they are pretending to be
From a sexual perspective? No, they're still the same trans person. They might even be your preferred gender legally. If their past might be a deal breaker, you have to ask about it.
Hm hm hm...I'm not really as sure about that as you are, user. In my personal experience so far, guys don't really care about the trans thing that much. They seem to be attracted to femininity, cuteness, sweetness, sexiness. Plus have you seen how popular traps and futa are?
Well I did know one guy who was adamant about the trans thing being a complete turn off, but even he was eventually saying "I'd make an exception for you" so maybe it's just me.
Culture of mistrust. Now I have to ask my sexual partners for a CV.
They'll definitely have to disclose it when it comes to sex, maybe by showing you a dick. If you're deceived by a tranny so hard you don't ask if she's a tranny - it's your fault for being blind.
>seek ACTUAL mental help
You say as if anyone actually knows. Experts disagree, but they're all still experts. They all offer ACTUAL mental "help". One of them might even be right, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I don't need to disclose it. It is known. Straight men want to have sex with biological females and the entire trans community knows it. It is not my job to state the obvious at all times.
Yes I can. I am a straight male, as are almost all men. They clearly know they are deceiving if they do so, because their ted talk idols talk about this, and their news articles, and even their therapists (it is one of the prescriptive conversation pieces leading to a referral for reassignment). They know they are doing it, they know it is the only way they can get consent. Deception, intentional, demonstrably so. 100% of transitioning people know it and they are reminded of it by their own community.
Rape. By. Deception.
What is sexual reassignment surgery?
So you outted yourself as trans, please consider the following
Stop going after straight males
>men don't have to worry
Aww, poor snowflake is afraid of being deceived by a tranny. Man up and ask if you have suspicions, you pussy.
Nobody should have to worry about that in the first place. Trans people should just die.
They go after me.
>I won't bail out of having a sex with a great person because I'll have to fuck their butt instead of their vagina, so I won't ask.
Because you're gay or bi. Almost all men are not.
Then be honest and let them know you piece of shit snake. Not everyone knows.
Well the fact is there's people who have a mental illness that makes them think they're the opposite gender. With counciling, anti psychosis medicine and therapy maybe they could be cured of it.
But so far the only experts who tried to put a dent in this madness was the guys who tried to use shock therapy to switch gays to being straight.
A goal that I most definitely support if only the actual scientists would get their shit together and work together to fix it. Through therapy, drugs or just plain old lead.
Honestly you don't. There's virtually zero chance that a trans person is going to "trick" you. They'll likely tell you early.
>I don't need to disclose it.
Disclose your 100% straight sexuality then, it's as rare as being a raging faggot.
>They clearly know they are deceiving if they do so.
If they believe they are your preferred gender (as they would be definition of being transgender) then its not deception. If you have a disagreement about the definition of gender (ie, you don't agree with the current scientific establishment in the distinction between gender and sex) then you need to seek clarification.
Most men don't want to have sex with another man, and its definitely a violation of their sexual identity to try and force them to be gay with them.
>rare as being a raging faggot
95% of the country is straight men user... jesus christ
>Because you're gay or bi. Almost all men are not.
All these sources that I won't even link because you won't read them because you believe in conspiracy theories state otherwise.
You'd think the penis would tip them off that they're not actually women. They're being deceptive and they know it. Willfully being sexual predators.
user, we know already that sexual orientation cannot be modified with medical treatment, it is in fact often determined before birth. There is a great deal of science to back this up.
We also know that people with gender dysphoria are very unlikely to be cured, and in many cases attempting to do so only causes the patient harm. You may not be aware, but doctors have to swear an oath about that.
>95% of the country is straight men
I have some bad news for you, user, country is around 50% female.
They're just trying to be the person they've always felt like they were. It's not deceptive to be yourself user.
I AM open about being trans. It's common knowledge among my friends. I don't start off new friendships by saying "I'm trans" though as I consider it sort of incidental.
Bullshit, none of you morons ever have a legitimate source for this "the gays are the majority of child molesters" claim. So all the little girls, who are the majority of molestation victims are being molested by gay people? Give me a fucking break.
It's definitely deceptive to have a penis and call yourself a woman. It doesn't matter what they feel; feelings aren't facts.
Males are born with a penis, females with a vagina.
Nothing can change a man from being a man; a woman from being a woman. You can get plastic surgery to look like a lizard, you're still a human. DNA/chromosomes determine what you are.
Lying to yourself is the ultimate deception and the transgender community are the biggest bunch of liars that have ever existed.
>“Do you, personally, identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender?”
Yeah, they don't identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. Most of them are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender, of course, to some varying extent, they just don't identify as such.
I'd just like to mention this because I'm pedantic. Sexual orientation can change with age, and also some people have not fully explored theirs, so people can "discover" they are bi later in life.
I like how you try to exclude all the little boys who are being diddled and raped.
>it must be deception regarding the act itself
Incorrect. In fact all cases of rape by deception have been about the people involved.
Pretending to be someone else.
Pretending you will die if you can't get laid.
All about the people, because that's what rape by deception is about, the people.
It would not be hard for me to argue this in a court, provided the jury were actually representative and not filled with LGBTQIAA folks:
>I am a straight male. This means I want to sleep exclusively with females.
>The entire trans community knows this, for example, (insert whatever group they are in) of which the defendant is a member had a seminar (insert title of seminar about dating as a trans person) in which they decry the fact that straight males will immediately withdraw from engagement if informed the woman is trans. This topic is covered during the therapy session leading to a referral for transition. Defendant attended such sessions and is aware of the challenges of dating as a trans person.
>The defendant, knowing explicitly that consent would be withdrawn if they revealed their status, withheld it in order to illegitimately obtain my consent.
Prosecution rests.
>shittier states are less gay and have more children
Nice statistics, really makes you think.
The truth is in the statistics user, as well as the fact there's been hundreds of thousands of reports about it. Too bad it all gets swept under the rug.
Can't hide the truth forever. Hey remember those tranny bathrooms?
WHOOOPS!
reason.com
He's conflating statistics, but there is a grain of truth. Homosexuals are 11x more likely to be pedophiles.
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
>It doesn't matter what they feel
The US legal system disagrees. Deception requires motive requires feelings.
Your full of shit gays do not make up 90% of child molesters, and I guarantee you have no sources to back that up. Little girls aren't being molested by lesbians user, it's straight men almost 100% of the time.
Girls are often raped by other women if we are talking regular pedophilia. Of course there is also lots of Muslim pedophiles but its okay because their god says its good.
When they say they are a woman they are making a claim about their mind. And their feelings really are predictive of differences in their brain, so their feelings really are evidence that what they claim about their mind is true.
When you say they contradict the facts, you're just deliberately misunderstanding the claim they are making. They aren't talking about their DNA. They know what their DNA is and have no delusions about it, user. You know this.
If they did, they'd be claiming to be cisgender.
Most priests are fucking gay molesting little boys you fucking nonce.
>They are what I tell them they are so I'm right
Great argument bud, if they're saying they're whatever that's what they are. There is no "to an extent" you're either gay bi or straight.
>shittier states
I'm talking full population of the US, nice reading capabilities dipshit.
"4.5% LGBT percent of population"
>its literally at the top second right
The motive is they want to have sex with someone and are willing to conceal their gender to prove it
>The truth is in the statistics
Statistics outside of the whole picture is a deception.
>all those priests who rape those little boys are straight men
Okay user, whatever you say
>pretending to be someone else
This means the persons involved in the act are not what was expected
>pretending you will die if you can't get laid
This means the direct consequences of the sexual act are not what was expected
Both of these are deception regarding the act itself, not the people involved. You're embarrassing yourself. I already brought all of this up. If you attempted to argue this you wouldn't even make it to a jury. There is only one state with relevant laws and they're incredibly specific, as I stated.
Because of this trans mental illness you don't even need proof or doctors notes, so even creeps will be able to take advantage of your trans bullshit leading vulnerable women in prison to be sexually assaulted.
>I'm talking full population of the US, nice reading capabilities dipshit.
I don't give a fuck what you're babbling about, from your link it's obvious that:
>shittier states are less gay and have more children
I like how you assholes try to exclude all the little girls to push this bs talking point. I'm not excluding little boys, just acknowledging all victims unlike you people.
>Ohhh one tranny assaulting someone in the bathroom means they all do it!!!
Fuck off
Their minds are not their gender dipshit.
Your gender is whats in your DNA usually shown by your genitals if they haven't been destroyed by your own mental illness.
I'm not deliberately misunderstanding anything. I know that they're liars to themselves and everyone else. As well as I know that they deliberately deceive everyone else because "dats how dey feew". Because feelings trump facts and truth every time to the LGBT.
Cisgender isn't a thing, it's just called gender.
Nobody excluded the little girls, he's just pointing out the fact that boys along with girls get diddled too you fucking retard.
Learn to read.
I literally never said that you fucking moron
>literally link an article of an LGBT molesting a child
"STATISTICS IS DECEPTION!!!"
100% straightness is more common than any other sexuality to the point of being almost everyone. Only bi people in denial desperate to include more people in their club think otherwise.
They know they will not have consent if the fact of their transition is out. Intentional deception.
>There is no "to an extent" you're either gay bi or straight.
Yeah, that's what we thought in 1950. Knowledge accumulates over time, grandpa.
That's not how legal motives work. You'd have to prove that they only concealed their gender in order to have sex - but most likely this isn't the case. Unless you asked or expressed your beliefs they would have no reason to share their original gender. In fact, there are many reasons why they might not want to that have nothing to do with you. Proving motive means dismissing all of these.
One case is not even a statistics, chill out buddy retard.
The "shittier states" that have less gay children have a LOWER POPULATION you fucking dipshit.
And even if more people had less gay children that's a great thing. It just means those "shitty states" are actually stopping their children from choosing to become homosexuals.
>They know they will not have consent if the fact of their transition is out.
No, they don't know that unless you tell them.
>prove to us that trans have ever molested someone
>here's some proof
>FUCK OFF!!!
They have to disclose that they are trans, always, or else it is rape.
Little girls are not usually molested by women, stop lying
You insinuated that only heterosexual men molest children. False.
>The "shittier states" that have less gay children have a LOWER POPULATION you fucking dipshit.
That data you've linked is given in percentages, you were supposed to learn about them in school, retard.
>They have to disclose that they are trans
This would go against basic human rights.
The fact that you idiots are even arguing about something so obvious makes me lose faith. It's rape.
They know. They learn it in therapy and they all have therapy.
Which there was no need to state in the first place, you're the retard not me.
There is no proof there's any "to an extent" of any sexuality.
Sexuality is black and white. If you're gay you like men; if you're straight you like women. If you like both you're bisexual.
Open and shut case. I don't give a shit what your nonsense blogs have to say about it. It's probably either gays or straights in denial who say they're not bisexual.
Well that is not what a large portion of people mean by gender anymore. When I say gender I'm talking about certain patterns of structural neurological differences that we're still in the process of learning about.
Also the whole "it's just their feewings" thing is just a stupid right wing meme you're parroting. That's not how I reason about things. In fact, you're deceiving yourself that you live in a more comforting and easy world if you think that your ideological opponents think like that.
It's not a basic human right it's bullshit.
It doesn't invalidate other peoples rights or preferences, they aren't special.
No, they aren't special, which means you are also protected by that right. You don't have to disclose medical details. If you are a eunuch, you can keep it to yourself if you want.
No I didn't, i said that it's mostly straigh guys molesting little girls. Lrn 2 read dumbfuck
Alright, so if they lie about being trans to me, they get a black eye or worse, they deserve it.
You can definitely prove motive. They flirted or whatever and when things started moving towards a clearly "sex is gonna happen" direction and they do not disclose their gender then they are knowingly concealing it. Or even when the guy (or girl) shows interest.
They should absolutely have to disclose their true gender (their birth gender which is the only gender they'll ever be) if they're about to have sex with someone under the false pretense of pretending to be a woman.
user there are a lot of people who don't have your beliefs regarding sex/gender. They don't know what your beliefs re unless you tell them. What therapist is talking about you every session?
Not my trans bullshit buddy, I don't like trannies either. I'm just not about the bogus claims that people are spouting off about gay child molesters
And yet you can't grasp how they work, so I'm the retard?
I agree with this whole heartedly.
I'm sorry but it's been bothering me this whole thread.
"Lie about being trans" would imply someone NOT trans saying that they ARE trans.
Am I the only one bothered by this?
>There is no proof there's any "to an extent" of any sexuality. Sexuality is black and white.
Lol. You're in the internet, go google proofs that you're wrong. There's not much black and white in this world, it's all shades of gray. Black and white is how you imagine it, not how it turned out to be.
Percentages work in a way that makes population sizes not matter, so your argument is invalid. My point stands: shittier states are less gay and have more children.
Statistics: williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu
It's biologically incorrect. Male = XX, Female = XY.
Neurological differences are irrelevant and are only showing up because the trannies have a mental issue because their brains are defective.
You said so yourself that they "feel" like they're the opposite gender. And they put their feelings above trurth and go out raping people with a false justification that THIS IS WHO I AM.
>right wing meme
Its funny how memes are trurthful, when facts become uncomfortable and the only defense is feelings.
I understand my ideological opponents think differently, but if they thought like me we wouldn't be opponents would we? And the world would be a better place and if you're a tranny you wouldn't even be here.
Uh oh, what if straight people increase their population so much that gay people disappear? This is a GAY GENOCIDE and must be stopped. To combat this gay people need to start reproducing more. Or at all.
And yet 90% of the LGBT molest children.
What's your point that they don't molest girls?
Lesbians definitely molest girls, gays definitely do and like I proved so do trannies. (hence why they wanted to use the women's bathroom)
It would be self defense for sure.
>they are knowingly concealing it
They don't even think about all the time, their gender doesn't match their sex. That's kinda the definition of being transgender.
*better states
Any state that discourages homosexuality is a good state to me.
>Uh oh, what if straight people increase their population so much that gay people disappear?
Well, judging from THE FACT that shittier states are less gay and have more children, I can only logically conclude that straight people suck and society needs more gays.
False as always, but thanks for trying to rope heterosexuals into your perversions.
Honk
Sounds like they shouldn't be allowed outside of a mental hospital if they can't grasp something a six year old understands.
I just wish we had more heroes like that guy who shot up that club.
What a shame. I would've given that guy a parade.
