Well Yea Forums, it's been on my mind for a long time, and I need to tell someone about it, although it's nothing new

Well Yea Forums, it's been on my mind for a long time, and I need to tell someone about it, although it's nothing new.
I'm 21 years old, and had never a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, let alone had sex. I don't know if it's how I look, the way I express myself, the body language, any of it just makes anyone I like just see me as a friend, or not attracted at all, often times seeing me as a acquaintance
I don't know what the fuck should I do, and I'm going through depression since a month ago.
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You might be trying to hard. Are you ugly?

I look better than the average Joe, I go to the gym 4 times a week, but I'm not muscular or anything.
>You might be trying to hard
might be trying too hard, you may be right

Could be your just very awkward. Like when a girl touches you, looks at you or flirts do you freeze up? Even an average looking guy can be percieved as weird or gross if theyre awkward enough.

I've never seen a girl flirt with me, or rather look at me that way, but no, I have no issue when a girl looks at me.
Practically, a virgin with no experience

When I was a kid my moms friend had a daughter a little older than me and we used to hang out at their house. I guess we were play fighting or something but I kicked her as hard as I could in her snatch. I thought it wouldn’t hurt because I knew girls didn’t have a dick. Apparently I was wrong and she was laying on the floor crying and I got yelled at.

R/seduction

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Dude if you've never gotten the look before then you're probably just ugly.

Maybe its beacause u just denies a girl likes u. Fx. If a girl says something Nice do you just think thats just beacause she wants to be a good friends.

You put too much emphasis on having a girl friend. Focus on curbing that desperation and you will get something out of it that does somewhat fill that hole you think only can be filled with a girl.

Do you set your standards too high or have any shitty personality traits? If your not ugly and your actually around girls you shouldnt be having too much trouble, especially if youre in college.

Fuck off to Reddit
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Who knows? Maybe I look bad. I like the way I look, and I don't feel bad about it.
Well, I go with a no from the get go, and most of the time I feel like I'm being used

Keep it up, become a wizard. I'm a girlfriendless, kissless virgin at 48 and holy shit I can control the universe with my mind. I dare not summon those foul female beasts though since I would lose my abilities.

Not OP but I don't think having high standards is as much of a problem as people make it out to be. Assuming you put in effort, go out of your way to approach people, etc, the guy will still be improving and talking with girls.

I actually do cosplay, with a girl friend of mine, it's pretty much the only interaction I have with girls, but she has a bf, and I see her as a sister
No, not at all. I just want to find someone that likes me
I've even lied about having sex with my friends, but they don't care about it at all, it's all on me I guess.

Don't worry mate. You'll get there. I lost my virginity at 25. Had quite a lot of sex partners after that.

It's probably a combination of things. Most of the time: insecurity, not meeting enough girls, doing things that are boring to most girls and the way you dress.

Some things you can do to improve your skill:
- Do a bit of sport. Loose some fat and build some muscle
- Get some social hobbies where you meet other people real life and meet girls (for example volunteer work)
- Do less gaming. 90% of the girls are not of hardly into it. So that you don't have much in common (not a good way to get a conversation going)
- Buy fancy clothes, nothing to expensive. Just a bit more expensive than your average guy. Ask a chick in a shop to help you.
- Do a lot of traveling. It's fun and everyone likes your stories.
- Go to Pattaya (Thailand) or Sosua (Dominican Republic) and bang some girls. It's a good and cheap work out and will give you some sexual experience. This will lower your insecurity, which is good.

Confidence. Build it however you wish, by working out, being the best in your field, whatever just make sure you KNOW you're the best. If you exude confidence you attract others.

Show women that you're single, and fine with being single and that you're not interested in them. If they even get a hint that you might be interested (let alone desperate) they will exploit that in a bad way.
On the flipside being desirable while they can't control you drives them crazy.

That being said, after you get pussy just dump it. Don't let it last more than a few months. Long term relationships kill your masculinity.

Read up on MGTOW.

I only say that because someone I know personally has rejected multiple below-average and average women because he's waiting for a "better catch"
Assuming you look decent and arent weird or awkward, im assuming you might have some personality issues, maybe from the feeling of getting rejected? If you are desperately trying to get a gf, it could come off as needy or desperate

I kekked.
>Do a bit of sport
Do you mean aside from the gym? Like soccer?
>Get some social hobbies
I do cosplays and go to conventions, so I do get to meet new people
>Do less gaming
Hmmm, true
>Buy fancy clothes
I'll be sure to ask, only fancy clothes I got is a custom sized 2 piece suit.
>Do a lot of traveling
Would love to, but I'm on a 3rd world country, that's expensive af
>Go to Pattaya/Sosua
Isn't a burdel the same thing tho?

>Show women that you're single, and fine with being single and that you're not interested in them. If they even get a hint that you might be interested (let alone desperate) they will exploit that in a bad way.
So basically do what I did for my whole life?

>Read up on MGTOW
spotted the incel

Don't give up, come on man. At 21 it's a pretty early stage of your life to find a girlfriend. It's not even a half of 12 years old. Average life is 71 years so stop crying about something so pathethic.
Find a girl with common interests. On a videogame, social media. Best way to find a girl is to talk, talk more than her, discuss. Learn how to talk, talk first. It's a nice way.

Nah, I'm not really aiming on how someone looks, that's retarded
>im assuming you might have some personality issues, maybe from the feeling of getting rejected? If you are desperately trying to get a gf, it could come off as needy or desperate
That's probably the case, but it contradicts itself because my friends say I'm having a great life, they look at me as a confident guy, sometimes they seek advice in me, specially in love.
How the fuck am I confident when I'm like this?

Thing is, most people around me don't have a problem finding a girlfriend, be it 1 month or years to come.
I don't know how I can't nail just one, even if I talk to every single girl I met on conventions, for example.

I figure your putting on a happy facade so people arent turned away by you being constantly negative, and they just naturally see you as being confident because of it. Judging by how you are able to talk to girls because you have female friends, im sticking with your inner personality being the issue. Just a guess, but maybe you push people away as a defense against rejection? I know you said you get no's before it goes anywhere but that seems weird to me if you arent ugly or awkward

>that seems weird to me if you arent ugly or awkward
That's what's making me so confused and depressed
>Maybe you push people away as a defense against rejection?
That's probably what's happening, although it doesn't explain why girls don't get interested in me.
Maybe I'm way too obvious on avoiding them?

Thats my thought. Could be coming off as cold or distant even before youve been rejected. People dont want to open up to someone emotionally if they expect to get shut down. Its kind of a weird cycle yknow? You close off expecting rejection and in the process it looks like your rejecting them.

>You close off expecting rejection and in the process it looks like your rejecting them.
Yup, exactly
If you think about it, almost all of the conventions I went, it was either small talk or business meaning a mask, or something they wanted from anime/comic.
Guess I should open up emotionally then, but what should I open with? I'm not the funniest Joe either

I was an incel for a good 12 years. It broke when I made friends with a girl.
She had a BF, so initially I was instantly out of the "I like this one" game and we actually became real, fast friends. A year later we started a relationship, its beautiful, and I want to marry this girl and make tons of babies with her.
Everything else I tried failed. Each time I tried to force it, each time I tried to go after a gril simply cause the oppurtunity presented itself I failed miserably. The best I got was 2nd base, which while it was surprising at the time, is really not what anyone is looking for in earnest.

What I'm saying is this I guess: The only way I know of that works is the natural flow, coming from a real connection between personalities. From there you can actually build on something without instant judgement, which helps if you are awkward or just antisocial, like I was. I don't know man. It sounds like a dumb cliche, but real friendship as a base was what made the diffrence for me, and her.

Im just refering to the opening up part of what you said; This was what I mean by friendship, in the end; emotional vulnerability and opening up.