Why arent you stupid Amerifags voting for Bernie Sanders?

I just posted this pic to memedroid.

"sss...ssss...socialism!!!1"

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Because Boomers want weak sauce candidates like Biden or moronic frauds like Trump. We’re not going to be free of this fuckery until they start dying off. Hopefully, we’re not too fucked to fix the country afterwards.

Because sanders is a bitch

cuz appearance has anything to do with the stability of a country.

you have much to learn young padawan.

thank? is that a good or bad thing? oh well.

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they wont because Americans have this idea that tax revenue can't be used to actually improve quality of life or help the community because it's "communism/socialism/whatever fucking buzzword of the day".
Instead they'd rather piss 10's of billions into a military that wastes their time and into missiles than anything resembling logic, like a working healthcare system or a decent federally regulated education system.

Socialism is not the answer.
Trump is making socialism look good by making capitalism look bad on purpose, by orders of his boss Vladimir Putin, and america is eating it all like a cake.
Latin america is already undertaken by socialism, once the US joins everything is up for grabs for Putin.

Wrong! socialism is about stealing from other to make everyone poor.

Yeah, this. Living in the US is like riding the short bus to school forever.

Bernies brand of socialism is pretty fucking tame comparatively speaking.

nice try

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But what if it was the capitalist who did the initial stealing and everyone's just trying to get a little of it back? Hrmm?

Because we're stupid Americans and not stupider Europeans.

The DNC won't allow it.

Democractic socialist policies are in place in every other Western country and they result in large quality of life improvements for their citizens in healthcare and education.

If you have ever taken any kind of Economics class you know that the free market alone is not a perfect regulator due to cartel behavior and the problem of freeloading / tragedies of the commons.

Goverment regulation and taxation is required in order to provide these services. It is a Neoliberal myth that private enterprise is always a more efficient allocater of resources.

Stop buying into the propeganda of lobbyists, entrenched industries that act as Oligopolies and the corrupt politicians that feed from this trough at your expense.

Literally this

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cuz cultural appropriation and theft via ethnicity dont mean shit, eh?

EVER CHINA IS CAPITALIST BITCH!

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These sad meat sacks are the best of the dsa!
youtube.com/watch?v=IdQ4vqCWYTw

Well-fucking-said.

The central theme of Marxist derived economic policies: you're reaping much less of the reward for your labor, than the eventual product is worth. An investor can't just magician raw materials to be a product.

can confirm

The Chinese was starving to death due to marxist policies and then they switch to capitalist and now the Chinese got a problem with obesity

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Taxes cant make anything good because there is neither risk nor incentice. Government have nothing to loose nor will they stop stupid spendint when it doesnt work. Just look at government run healthcare.

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It was the centralization of power/resources derived from an authoritarian regime that starved them. Though a laudable attempt at a society in which those views serve as a central pillar, it fell to the corruption of human attraction to power. Democratic socialism may get closer to Marxist principles practiced to their fullest extent. This would be one that allows a regulated market to operate as we have now, but one that favors workers over corporate executives.

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ok, just keep telling yourself that.

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Sorry I do not know much about space.

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fpbp

Almost everything is private in Western Europe, even hospitals. They just tax the shit out of everything and subsidise all this companies to make it happen. Will it work in the long run? No. A lot is already being broken off, since the cost are going crazy.

How is Trump making capitalism look bad? The economy is booming right now

Because he's an idiot pandering to idiots.

Bernie Sanders has no desire to be the President of the United States, he just found a way to retire rich off of campaign funds. Other idiots have followed his lead; why do you think that there are so many candidates running now? Jill Stein asked Bernie to run as a Green after he got fucked up the ass by the Clinton mafia, he told her to go fuck herself.

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lolol...THIS IS WHAT RETARDED CHILDREN ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

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Because he said whitenoid can't be poor.

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He has been campaigning on the same platform for 40 damn years. He has every interest in becoming President because he genuinely cares about people and wants to see their lot improve.

Stop shilling and campaigning against a candidate that would actually improve life for the majority of America's citizens.

Because he's a fucking idiot

Just source the ass

He cut his employees hrs to avoid paying overtimes.

No communist will ever be president.

He has never even had a real job. He has made a living conning young people with leftist ideas and spare change left over in their college loan accounts.

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They aren't his employees. You are talking about his interns. There is an important legal differentiation between the two. There is no minimum wage for internship and it is often done for free in politics and other industries, so the fact that he pays his interns $12 an hour is actually good. It is a larger differential (0 to 12) than the idea to raise minimum wage from 7.25 to 15.

>Said no one ever

I'll vote for who vows to lower the age of consent of allow me to LEGALLY employ a 12+ year old for sexual purposed for a price they and I have agreed on.

give us the freedom to chose

>cost are going crazy.
Do you even live in America?

The same could be said about most republicans.
Specially Trump

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my country's national heathcare is fine.
i got an x-ray for a nasty cough I had last January. Cost me all of $15 for an x-ray, blood test and a double doctor's appointment after national health insurance covered it.
did I say appointment? well nah I walked in off the street. only had to wait 10 minutes.
then turned out I had a lung infection, could possibly lead to other serious shit.
got 4 tablet prescriptions, a powder to drink, an arm patch and an asthma puffer.
all that for a week's worth of prescription?
$10.

In the US you'd pay a few hundred k for the x-ray, again for the blood test and then your medicine would cost you your first born.

US Healthcare is the worst in the developed world.
The US is also one of two remaining developed countries where pharma are allowed to advertise.
But surely, just a coincidence.

there's a difference between the economy "looking" like it's booming and the actual.
Everything's heading toward recession and has been heading that way for most of a year now.
If you haven't sold your stocks yet then you'd be an idiot to hang onto them for much longer.

Trump's net worth has gone down as a result of his campaigning and winning the election. Every Democrat who is in office now has a net worth has gone up drastically during their time in office. Despite the spicy George maymay you are wrong.

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>thinking a bunch of vodka addicted Dmitris are capable of anything
the dumb cunts haven't even gotten their own shit together.
the only reason everyone let them do that shit in Crimea/Syria is because it's all "who cares" land and no-one gives enough of a shit to do anything about it.

If you've ever taken any kind of Economics you would know that socialism has never worked and it is a flawed concept.

The truth is, poor people are poor because they make terrible financial decisions, while rich people are rich because they are taught the financial mindset of being rich.

I grew up in section 8 housing, mother addicted to pills and my dad gone. I spent every day trying to make money, investing said money, and living with the bare minimum just to create a foundation to work with.

I'm 23 and I built my own casino from the ground up, I just made my first 10 million, and I have no intentions of stopping.

I used to have the poor mindset and I overcame it.

The great thing about a free market economy is you have the opportunity to become wealthy. With Socialism you don't have that option.

you'd have to become an elite. once you're rich enough, both sides want you to have that right.

and maybe a few extreme ancaps

tbh Sanders would've made a better candidate for the dems in 2016, purely because Clinton had a ton of (underage) blood on her hands, killing off her political opponents. Sanders, on the other hand, ran a grassroots campaign that wasn't really funded by big business. Although I disagree with Bernie on his economic standpoint (him being against free markets and wanting more government influence), his social standpoint (legal weed, and generally being socially liberal) is one I can agree on. Hillary was already washed up after being first lady for 8 years and the runner-up dem candidate in '08 and her policies were too centrist for the shifting political demographics. Bernie may be a socialist, but anything is better than Hillary.

You know that's never going to happen right?

This. My grandfather (who died a few years ago) had no plan for the future economically, living paycheck to paycheck. His rent was only about $300 (VA Housing set him up in the apartment), but he still ran out of money by the end of the first week. He spent a $20,000 check all on his truck, which didn't even run, even after 20 grand being put into it. But he still couldn't afford his rent. *is angry*

Based retarded chud

The main issue is people don't plan for the future, they just live paycheck to paycheck.

but he want a 15/hr?

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not yet.

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This is absolutely ridiculous. The majority of rich people are rich because of inherited wealth.

Congratulations on you for escaping your previous circumstances, but you should know better than anyone else that poor people are often trapped in a very real poverty cycle whereby they lack the access to capital to leverage good ideas and opportunities, and they are forced to pay inflated prices for smaller amounts of consumer goods.

Stop inferring that the adoption of sensible, socially democratic policies is akin to, and would produce results equivalent to an absolute shift to an extremist Marxist society.

Things that conservatives say that would be awesome if true

They are most certainly trapped in a proverbial "trap" but it can be escaped. There are plenty of opportunities most people miss daily. It's looking for that change.\ not expecting it to happen because of someone else.

Legit question: Why do people like you go to college? My company put a stop to hiring anyone straight out of college and grad school after 101 years of recruiting straight out of college in 2015. You people come out of college with no useful knowledge and an objectively insane outlook on the world.

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He stands for every thing trump does. He just says in in a dummy jew voice way.

Because I don't like the idea that the government can mandate what equates to charity. The sooner the government gets out of the business of business, the better off we would all be.

The government should be a small assurance that the people can prosper without the tyranny from itself or big business. This isn't done by robbing peoples money from them and handing it to others. It's done by breaking up big pharma and every other psudeo monopoly.

But yeah let's just bring in an old Jewish guy who's ideas will never pass the proposal stage who wants to tax the middle and upper middle class

The one on the right with the Bernie button is hot AF

Honestly, it’s because he’s pussy and he shows weakness. When those black woman came up on stage and yelled at him and all he did was duck his head that showed everyone that he’s a weak push over and any other country could walk all over him. Politics don’t win presidential elections, status and image does. Look strong, get the vote. Cower like Sanders and y’all you do is get laughed at

>He stands for every thing trump does

but he'll actually do it instead of doing the opposite and laugh at the working class while making the rich richer

socialism is about seizing the means of production aka taking over successful businesses and ruining them.

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Bernie actually cares about his nation and the people that are in it, and he will not deny your human rights

It's to stop exploitation

why won't he paid his staffs overtimes for overtime works?

What do you mean?

Why doesnt Bernie pay his people $15/hr like he wants to be the minimum

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indeed small homogenous populations have an easier time with their government taking the majority of what they earn.
lobbyist and cartel behaviour is exactly the reason some don't trust the government to run more programs
America is already fucked and now we want to trust those corrupt people with more authority?

His staffs get salary, but they work 6 days weeks some 60 plus hrs. So they only make like $13/hr. They ask him to switch to hourly so they can get paid overtimes and make more money. He simply told them to stop working 6 day week and do 5 days instead. He will use unpaid volunteers cover those hrs. That sound mighty capitalist to me.
exploitation of what?

lolll idiot

You retorted with an inferal I haven't done my own Economics classes, then selectively reply to my follow up message.

Stop talking like a mindset coach or motivational speaker.

Revist your Econ 101 notes. The poverty trap is classically exemplified by the scenario of a worker that cannot afford to buy a decent pair of shoes.

Person A has access to capital, whether that is through a loan or liquid assets, they can afford to make a quality investment in a pair of shoes that will last them an entire year at a cost of $100.

Person B cannot afford the asking price of $100 for a quality pair of shoes. They can only afford the $30 pair that wears out after 3 months.

Over a short time frame of one year, Person A will have only had to have made one initial purchase of a $100 pair of shoes.

Person B will end up paying $120 over that same year by replacing the lower quality shoes as they wear out.

Classical Economics easily shows how poor people pay more for less - and this is repeatedly demonstratable.

2 liter bottles of soda are on offer? The rich person sees that as an opportunity to bulk buy and stock the boot of their car full.

Person B with no car, taking public transport? All of those bottles would be too heavy to carry. They'll just have to get the carry size 0.75cl (which would cost as much as one of those 2l bottles).

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Exploitation of the workers

and you honestly believe that system with not be corupt like the one we have now? then without private ownerhsip you won't even own yourself, I'll take my chances with the capatalist lunatics

like hiring illegal aliens over citizens?

I think you're confusing capability and effort this reply screams "It's not my fault" You'd rather state why you can't than how you could. Quote your Eco 101 class that you went 50k into debt for that you could have gotten for late $1.50 in late charges at your local library.
Pic related it's you.

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socialistworker.org/2011/09/28/what-do-we-mean-exploitation

Nice bait m8

The Americans health care system does suck but common tell us the actual costs for services you used. you paid 15 dollars but how much was paid for through taxes? hiding the cost through taxes does not decrease the cost

I can't afford shoes and soda, so my neighbor should pay for it.

Fuck off autist.

Putting your well-being in the hands of the government is top tier retardation.
Stop trying to tax everyone to death, that's how we got here in the first place. The U.S. pays plenty in taxes, we just spend it all on missiles and drones.
Anyone who advocates U.S. citizens to pay more taxes in CURRENT YEAR has actual down syndrome.

Better resort to more ad hominem statements since you can't dispute basic economic theory.

We should screw over the poor and keep the country unbalanced

guys my libcuck econ teacher at berkeley taught me that socialism is gud pls agree

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balance? You want everyone to be equally poor?

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Please, why would anyone want to keep helping the rich? I thought you Yea Forums cucks hated minorities

Equally poor? Are you stupid? Even if we were "equally poor" that would mean no one is

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If you look at Sander's policies, they are costed by advocating corporations to pay a fair amount of tax (not the 0% they currently hoard offshore) and a Tobin tax on financial institutions. They are for the enrichment of the American middle and lower class, which would result in societal benefits for ALL members of that society, through all walks of life.

A society that mutually benefits from these resulting gains will be even more prosperous in the future, instead of having what could be productive citizens needlessly dying or struggling due to an inability to pay for healthcare or higher education.

Who's gonna starve to death if everyone could afford food?

by printing more money? like venezuela?

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why can't these people afford food? They live in a socialism nation?

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WOW IM SO RICH, but there is literally nothing on the shelves to buy. Socialism strike again!

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Yeah, totally, these people don't have a president who's a dictator

inflation literally has nothing to do with socialism

>implying those 2 fucking murderers aren't burning in hell

so you admit that socialism will led to dictatorship?

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The stupid ones are.

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Cause i voted for trump and will do so again

no, it's just a side effects like starvation.

No, I'm saying that corrupt people pretended to be socialists to gain the people's votes and since then they have been in a dictatorship

There's a lot of Russians spreading a lot of lies here

Why do socialists hate animals? This elephant is starving to death a socialist nation but nobody care!

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>laughs in culture

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They don't. Capitalist are the ones who are exploiting the world, they are destroying everything and killing animals

so what make you think that bernie sanders isn't one of those pretending to be a socialist to gain the people votes?

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literally is a terrible crutch word. It isn't comparable to "dude" in the 80s, it is comparable to "tubular" in the 80s and it wore out very quickly. It is possible to get your point across without the use of the word "literally" and if you want people to take you seriously in life stop using it in every sentence.

Well, he's not a fucking militarist. He's a supporter of human rights, he won't deny climate change either. He's been politically active since a young man, helping out the economy, looking out for everyone

This is sad, you can't counter argument so you just attack they way annon uses the word literally

unless you're his employees?

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Bernie said he's gonna use a trading speculation tax. Nothing to do with wage slaves really. I dont see why any one would be against fucking over rich business fucks on wall street. Fuck those guys. And fuck banks too. We've bailed banks out before. I dont have any student loans but it would be cool to have furthering my education as an actual option and not one that would fuck me over in the long run.

But I'm still not all the way sold on the fuckin guy still. He seems to just say "every one will get what they need" over and over again. Yet if it was that simple...surely Obama or even George Bush would have made it happen. What the fuck does this guy know that noble Obama didn't?

I literally have nothing to do with the literal argument, I was literally just pointing out how literally one word that literally seems to come out of the mouth of literally every gen-zer and some millennials is literally annoying. Literally.

I mean I don't have to explain why you're wrong. My actions have done enough of that.

Bernie's plan isn't to levy more taxes on the average working class man. He wants to increase the taxes on the incredibly wealthy who are getting tax breaks left and right fro Trump while starving a large portion of our citizens with their unnecessary hoarding

They are the same people who said "grody" and "radical" ten years after those words wore out.

Why aren't you minding your own fucking business?

Stop being intentionally dense. I never said that the poverty trap was inescapable, merely that it exists, and that it is a reality for many lower income and working class citizens.

We should, where possible, seek to mitigate such traps and widening access to healthcare / education are fantastic places to start.

because Trump won. It's all a fragile, easily influenced system we put so much faith into, and all it took was P.T. Barnum spouting about a fictitious previous era in america to overcome it.
We don't give a shit. Not whether a candidate has a firm grasp on any relevant subject, not if their ethic is spotless, and especially whether or not their ideas are worth pursuing.
>muh bootstraps