Hey anons what does this mean, recently started job at Fred Meyer. And got this in mail...

Hey anons what does this mean, recently started job at Fred Meyer. And got this in mail. Working part time at minimum wage. Plz help.

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You have to join the union and pay dues or you get fired, it seems like.

join the union or you're canned

>To insure that you...
Do these fucks not have editors or are the nuances of this language dead?

No, they just probably have to rewrite this shit periodically and the smart ones are retiring.
We're left with millennials to replace them.
Things end up sounding like a child wrote them.

What confuses me is that it says I can not be represented but also says I have to join. Would not being representative make it cost less?

Fuck the unions and the communist that run them.

On one hand, unions do have an important role of trying to fight bullshit. On the other, it being mandatory for you to join is bullshit.

It's bullshit either way.

You can not join the union and not have to pay the whole but you still have to pay a fee because you still get the benefits of the union

Ask to talk to a union rep. What are the perks you are getting? How much is medical?

Unions for these jobs help so they at least get raises accordingly but for fucking skilled work it's shit

But OP said he makes minimum wage, there better be some good benefits of there's no reason for union rep

Yes, starting, safe to assume he'll get decent raises quickly since these jobs often do quarterly raises

It beats living in a Right to Work state.

You should quit. It's more moral than joining a union. Probably for the best as unions destroy businesses and hurt workers in the long run.

I honestly fucking hated working at a company with a union. They took the money and made us picket in front of the company when they voted to go on strike and I never benefited from it.

This exact same thing happened to me working grocery in HS. They extort you for union dues in order to keep your part time mini wage job. Congratulations, after taxes and union dues you earn less than minimum wage. Remember that next time someone with a D next to their name tells you how wonderful unions are.

This. Unions are nothing but shit. Only idiots and commies (redundant) support them.

It's all part of destroying the free market and bringing about socialism.

Hey! I'm a millennial and I resemble that remark.

>It's all part of destroying the free market and bringing about socialism.
The US has had unionization since the 1800s.
You're an idiot.

Unions are highly corrupt. Companies hire their negotiators as consultants for fucking over the workers they represent. They were an easy kill, like representative democracy.

It means you got roped into a shitty union that doesn't give a shit about any of its constituents.

UFCW is probably the worst union I've ever come across. I'm a manager and a former store of mine unionized. They came in like hot shit, made stupid promises, and now they take cash from those employees for the EXACT same thing labour laws mandate. Only exception was a work shoe allowance of $50 every two years.

UFCW is so deeply rooted in the mob it's disgusting.

you have a union for working at a grocery store?

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Name one good thing unions have done. I'll bet anything you think unions did was actually done by the free market or by generous employers

Pretty much this, I don't think I've ever had a good experience with a union.

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Why do you watch Stranger Things?

Fucking THIS

>free market
If you think this fairytale concept really exists you're as deluded as any communist.

You don't know what you're talking about. A hundred years ago factory and mine owners were having the police or private security literally shoot their workers who were striking for one day off a week.

What's that?

Good one. It's a shit show that you got that gif from.

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>Equal pay for women and negroes
What a massive fucking mistake.

Every protection and benefit you currently enjoy at work was fought for by unions. And every one was bitterly resisted by employers.

I get that you don't like it. Is it okay if I like it, or nah?

inb4 You can be retarded and like all the shitty bullshytty shitty McShit you want, doesn't bother me. It just makes you a bad person and you should kill yourself.

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Quit your job OP. Whatever Kroger’s is paying you isn’t worth all the hassle of having to join the UFCW. They’ll sell your personal information to insurance companies and soon you’ll get a call from someone telling you that you have union benefits coming your way. It’s a shitty $10K death and dismemberment policy that will more than likely not pay out.

Source: worked for an insurance company for 3 months. UFCW members were my go-to for selling life insurance policies to.

>workers shouldn't have a right to work where they please without union interference
And I bet you claim to be for worker rights

>look everyone! I'm superior to both sides!

Im a union rep. Basically you join the union to get insurance but they cant do shit for you until you get off your probation. Remember YOU ARE THE UNION

>workers are immune to laws
Why the hell shouldn't employers have security? What is law and order?

Nice strawman

Tell the commies and wops to suck your dick, OP.

Imagine how many GDP dollars the government has fucked businesses out of with their crony horseshit...

don't know, can't read

No siree. I think employers should have the right to treat their employees like shit.

>but muh free market, just get a differnt jasb

Yeah, except all the employers in the area have a tacit agreement to all treat their employees like shit in the same ways (low wages, no raises, shit benefits) so you can swing along from one comparable job to the next and always get treated the same.

That said, unions as they exist today are a scam too.

This is fiction. Every benefit was given by free market pressure and/or generous employers like Ford. Read some real history, not shit by commie professors

Didn't say I'm superior. It's not like I know how to fix anything.

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dont join
reverse union make a quit-the-union-club at work
get fired and be the case that goes to scotus.

i was auto entolled by the unions and the business manager at work couldnt stop it. a decade later scotus vindicated my wish

FUCK UNIONS

Unions will deduct from your pay whether you join or not.
Fugedabout it, capeche?

Giant eagle does this shit too.

It's not a strawman. All of those things actually happened, and all of them prove that the retarded internet libertarians going "just let the free market fix it by magic! corporations are generous and do the right thing on their own!" are stupid and wrong

>YOU ARE THE UNION
Meaning the suckers pay for the Union leaders' massive salaries and vacations while the common worker gets nothing.

>Every protection and benefit you currently enjoy at work was fought for by unions.

Complete bullshit.

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The free market works. Learn some economics. www.mises.org

This. Look up the history of Ford for example. He was a real good guy.

For all intensive purposes, good.

I actually heard a 40 year old man say "intensive purposes" a few times. I never wanted to correct him because I liked when he made a fool of himself

No, it's not okay that you like it. Fucking dumbass.

>Hey anons what does this mean, recently started job at Fred Meyer. And got this in mail. Working part time at minimum wage. Plz help.

What it means is very simple OP. You are not going to actually make minimum wage, but less than minimum wage. I shall explain.

For ease of our example, shall do some rounding. There are about 4 and a half weeks in a month, and the union dues are $45 per month. So basically around $10 a week. But, it should be noted that this is after tax money, not before tax money. In order to bring home $10 from a minimum wage job, you need to make around $12 since social security etc. gets taken out, plus income tax. So, lets say you work for 20 hours per week. $12 per hour divided by 20 hours per week, works out to 60 cents per hour, if you worked 20 hours in a week, goes to the union. So you actually make 60 cents per hour less than the minimum wage. Now lets say you work 40 hours in a week, that would reduce your deficit to only making 30 per hour below minimum wage.

Now lets say you decide to take a week off from work, you still have to pay the union their money, so you effectively had to pay $12 for the privilege of not even working.

But, it is actually worse than the above, because you have to pay an initiation fee to join, of $100. So for your first month you are effectively making much less per hour.

Why on earth would you take a job working there, unless you get a substantial pay raise after your 30 or 90 day probationary period ends?

P.S., you are low man on the seniority list, so you get the shittiest shifts, will have to work on all of the holidays, and last chance at any overtime.

Bullshit

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I was a member of SEIU for a while and they were great... good healthcare, good dental, harder for the company to dick you around and such... all the other unions I've belonged to have been shitty though...

Your store unionized under your leadership. That speaks volumes of what a shitty manager you were. Unions have to be voted in, and the entire certification process is weighted heavily to NOT allowing unions, it gives employers every possible opportunity to stop the union drive, and makes unions have to jump through meticulous hoops to certify. But despite all that your store unionized while you were a manager. Don't be salty.

I procure services for a global corporation, and I can tell you that union members get around 25-50% more in total compensation that non-union. Join the union, user. They have been demonized through the (((media))) but they work.

A good Union? I call BS. You might as well say you found a leprechaun

Ahahahahahaha... Don't fall for it OP. This is a total lie

found the union member.

see: op is going to be paid below minimum wage, he isn't getting jack shit.

Washington state isn't a right to work state joining the union is not optional.

You will be making over $12 an hour. Usually they will refund part of the initiation fee if you go to an introductory meeting.

very funny post, made me laugh, good job

This

Work for your first month, not submitting dues, then on the 30th+ day if they write you another letter, address one back to them as "Dear Communists..."

If you are a good employee you skip seniority and they just bump you straight to journeyman at the max rate. Which is like 20.75 if the contract is the same as the Teamsters one in the next county.

"the country was better when workers like me had even less power at the negotiating table and couldnt demand benefits or wage increases" -impoverished and uneducated whites itt

Jewnions just collect dues, they don't provide any actual services. The federal government took over anything important they could be doing decades ago. If you complain to your union or attempt to solicit services from them you will be put on a list of "problem people" and mistreated further. Just pay your dues and be quiet until after we slaughter the SJWs and get rid of jewnions.

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No it's not, it's the truth.

Services like a fucking pension or obligations for your employer to match your 401k contributions?

Fuck off retard.

Does Fred Meyer even exist anymore?

Yeah they are doing well under the Kroger brand.
Main competitor of Albertsons/Safeway/Haggens brand.

Unions are dope. They make it nearly impossible to get fired, if you've got a half decent union rep. Last time I was under UFCW our rep had an affair with the stores GM so we could pretty much do whatever we wanted. Shit was cash.

Op thats wrong as a man of the union this is a letter onforming you the the company is unionized and union due will be subtracted from one check per month in dues as well as a one time initiation fee. There are some wierd things though which me be if you are in a right to work state.

Most local stores have unions to protect the right of workers, they take a small union fee from pay check, you get insurance and bonuses to protect you and so they cant fire you for some bs

Learn some real history. Unions are corrupt entities that hurt regular employees and work with organized crime

The fuck you talking about? That's thanks to market pressures

normal people with ethics consider that a bad thing

get another job. That shit union will take enough of your money that you won't even have gas money left.

30 years old, always lived in one. Never had an issue nor knew of someone who did.

Nope, it isn't.
WinCo is a competitor in the area that is non-union. They have no 401k matching and no pension.

That's a lie. Unions take large dues, give nothing to regular workers, and protect cronies of the Union leaders.

sure kid

Underrated.

Trips of truth

just fuckin hire me for work without a weed test

And a good reason to hate unions.

Jesus, Nate. Is that you?

Then give the market time to adjust

I worked at a WinCo that was opening in the area they are corrupt as fuck and will have everyone sign bargaining agreements where they elect managers of departments to bargain for them and then they just arbitrarily decide the workers wages, which are always min wage with 10 cent bumps every 6-10months.

This

Completely agree

The Glazier's and Glassworker's Union was never under mob influence. When The Flat Glass Manufacturers Association (which was corrupt) finally broke us I left the trade due to safety and economic reasons. Many of our former employers came to regret their decision to get rid of the Union.

Isn't it supposed to be worker owned?

Yeah looking back I'd agree but at eighteen working a deli counter? I never really did any bad shit, just called off cause I was hungover a handful once or ten times.

Umm, OP clearly states that he is going to be paid minimum wage. He clearly will not be bumped up from $7.35 an hour to $20.75 per hour in one step for "being a good employee."

At a Union shop, the only people that can bypass the seniority list for promotions and shifts etc., is if you are brought in as a quota hire, as a minority, or a female in a male dominated field.

Its a line of bullshit they feed you when they hire you.

Only full time employees get the stock option shit after 1000 hours and only management is full time, everyone else is part-time regardless of position.

Min wage in WA is $12 and UFCW contract guarantees above min wage rates.

Imagine crying over 45$ a month, minimum wage scum,

us debt wasnt helped ah haha

Also I'm a fit mentally sound white male at 5'10" and was bumped to journeyperson after about 1 year and 11 months.

The anti-union rhetoric just doesn't apply.

Ask your store manager if it's legit. If you are making minimum wage it probably isn't.

Uh-huh. Exaggerate much? I know you're lying

Hah! Socialism is such a scam

Lying about what? When Northwest Glass in Seattle (at the time the largest Natural Gas fired glass facility in the world) went non-Union three 'glassworkers' were killed the first year and two in the second. No fatalities at all in the 40 years it was Union run. Then they moved it to Mexico where there are no time-consuming investigations when people are killed on the job.

Sooooo the union's fault then, they forced the business to relocate

It means your job is shit and for lazy morons. Raises and hours will be handed out based on seniority, not on, say, how hard you work and how effective at your job you'll be.

Go find another job. I did a year at a UFCW store and it drove me fucking insane. Lazy cocksuckers getting paid $25 an hour to stock shelves, giving themselves an extra hour of breaks per shift and nobody gave a fuck, meanwhile no matter how hard I worked, I couldn't get paid any more, or given any more hours, because I didn't have "seniority"

You will be massively underpaid in order for senior employees to be massively overpaid. But hey, do the bare minimum and don't get fired for 10 years, and you can be a lazy overpaid fuck too!

UCFW shops are poison for the soul. They are designed to suck the work ethic and initiative out of anyone who sticks around in one. Look at the senior, top-wage guys you work with -- that's who they want you to be.

Get a different job.

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False. The law clearly favors unionization and there is little to nothing an employer can do to stop it.

Don't bother joining. When you work for a kroger store, you are NOT obligated to join any union. Period. However, even if you're not part of any union, you are still allowed to uphold the union rules against the company.

Do not sign up, do not bother. Do not give them ANYTHING of your money. Period. The paper is lying to you that you have to be in the union to get the benefits.

No, they were non-Union when they decided to move. The problem was the long delay in resuming production caused by police, fire, insurance, etc. inquests when people die on the job in the U.S.A. This delay does not happen in the U.S.M. Of course, if nobody gets killed on the job there is no delay. It's just cheaper to kill non-Union workers in the U.S.M. than to kill them in the U.S.A.

Well I guess since Ford was a good guy nobody should ever need to be represented by a union. Good point user.

Unions are fucking retarded. They literally do nothing but collect money and sit around.

Starting pay is minimum wage. You haven’t accounted for the raises OP will eventually receive.

Good argument. You swayed me

Well you could be a fair employer that treats the employees well. I’m sure they wouldn’t have unionized if that was the case.

Yeah it’s called being a scab

It means bend over, the mafia of the working class is going in dry.

>Starting pay is minimum wage. You haven’t accounted for the raises OP will eventually receive.
see
UFCW shop = raises are by seniority. It's just "don't get fired for 6 months and you'll get another 25 cents an hour" Doesn't matter how hard you work or how much you learn. You could be giving $18 an hour of work and you will get your minimum wage and 25 cents every 500 hours or whatever.

It's soul-crushing. You end up with these 50+ year old fucks making way too much money to stock shelves, and they make it up by underpaying everyone else and working the shit out of them.

Literally any other grocery store is better than a UFCW shop.

Say you run a commercial window manufacturing/installation business and you need a glass cutter. You could pay for an ad and then interview a bunch of people and try to get lucky. Or you could call The Labor Temple and order one up. You would get a trained glass cutter of good reputation in a day or two.

It means you get to be a worthless nigger, as long as you pay your democrat dues. Enjoy your slavery.

It's a scam by the Democrats to take your money to fund their campaigns, whether you want them to or not

>Google Reviews do not exist

As a contractor, I could move to a different city and sub out any job with confidence, just by going with Google reviews.

I worked at Kroger. Twice actually. The union people are crooks. They walked into my first orientation and passed out papers to join. They didn’t explain anything. Just said everyone sign and pass in the papers. I raised my hand and asked what it was. He said it’s for the union. I said ok no thanks. He pitched it as the greatest thing ever. But I was like ok but no. Worked their 2 years the first time and 1 1/2 the second time. I never joined the union. Do Not join. Waste of money. Saw plenty of union members get fired.

Love my union job. Teamsters FTW

>Or you could call The Labor Temple and order one up. You would get a trained glass cutter of good reputation in a day or two.

Or you could get a guy that is connected but is lazy as fuck and you can't fire him without the union giving you hell.

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There are plenty of ways to find any particular service or worker. You don't need to put out an ad and interview people.

Union propaganda hasn't changed much in 50 years

I just did a Google Review for glass cutters and came up with nothing for Seattle.

As for just moving, commercial glass shops require substantial investment in specialized equipment. Rare for them to just 'move to another city'. Also because knowledge of local conditions is important.

fuck unions, they are democratic money donation schemes.

Sounds like you have a shit Union. Mine has made my pay increase about 100% in 5 years...plus many other perks that it offers ..

Never happened. I never met a Union Glass Worker that did not know his trade or apply himself to it. We all knew we had to be worth what we were paid.

For example, a Union hack-out man ( the guy who comes to your house to fix a broken window after you call a glass shop) could easily bill 10 hours in an 8 hour shift and did. My best day was 11 but i knew guys who did better. This only comes from knowledge of local conditions and experience.

>union workers are skilled and hard working
my sides

They bump you to Journeyperson if you aren't a shit employee. Your co-workers are basically all looking down on you for not getting a raise and they aren't going to tell you they are capped out because it will make you feel like shit.

Sounds like a union may in fact be useful to all of us who are opening a commercial glass cutting facility in Seattle, WA

For the rest of us, though, no thanks. Especially for low-skill jobs like retail and grocery stores. Unionization just causes employees to effectively work for less than minimum wage for months, while rewarding those who've worked just hard enough to not get fired for 10 years.

>there is little to nothing an employer can do to stop it.

Very much false, WinCo figured out how to do it, they get everyone to sign a bargaining agreement that is per-store so that teamsters ufcw etc can't get in.

They effectively control the unionization of each store.

get sick. get fired.

I won’t speak on behalf of all unions but I’m a union firefighter (7 years) and I am happy to be represented by a union.

Not at my shop, they didn't. Max wage was $24 and change an hour. To stock shelves.

So everyone at the bottom had to put in 1000+ hours before even making a dollar above minimum. Which, of course, your dues and initiation come out of, so you are working for less than minimum wage for a looong time. And, of course, hours go out based on seniority, so if you're the new guy...

It was a scam. A pyramid scheme where people providing $12 an hour of work got $25 an hour, so the savings had to be made up at the bottom of the pyramid. And all those salaries to be paid at the UFCW offices!

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Yep. It’s all good until it’s not good.

Learn a trade... you'll probably make more starting than you do at whatever shitty company you currently work for.

> (You)
>Never happened. I never met a Union Glass Worker that did not know his trade or apply himself to it. We all knew we had to be worth what we were paid.

My experience hiring union guys for excavating put me off the whole thing. Guy #1 is great, employed him for two years, until he retires. Guy 2 is barely fucking sober everytime he decides to show up. Can't get rid of him, have to hire guy 3 and Guy 2 just gets to watch and collect a check

It can be a dangerous job and it's to ensure you don't get raped by the management fuckers into doing illegal things. IF there's a union there, it's there for a REASON, is generally how it works.

The older you get, the more you appreciate just how big despicable, criminal and stupid assholes can get.

/thread
This is 100% the entirety of the final answer here.

Why so hostile?

Shut up boomer

Learning a trade, having a masters or having a doctorate doesn't mean anything in a right to work state. You have no protection against personal loss. They can legally fire you for existing if they want to. Yeah having a trade/degree means you make more money, but you have zero protections beyond a minimum wage worker in a right to work state.

the reason, often times these days, is to provide money and influence for the union bosses

unions are not immune to the assholes anymore than corporations are

This. I don’t understand as an employee why you would ever be against union protection.

>cringe
This is 100% the entirety of cringe here.

Glazier's And Glass Worker's Local 101 had a moral turpitude clause and a safety clause. The employer did not deal wit this issue but the other Union workers. If any Union member came to work 'under the influence', I for example, would call the Labor Temple and report him. In a couple of hours a Union rep would show up and if he was drunk pull his card and replace him with a phone call. Commercial glass work is too hazardous to tolerate people not up to snuff.

Can you explain what makes it cringe?

Like all those skill building interns and "web designers"? Fuck your bullshit.

Just admit you got there first and were lucky enough to have the right conditions to construct your retard worldview.

Or, you know, keep pretending everyone is exactly like you and your worldview is the only truth.

Hilarious asshole. What a joke you are.

but only if you're a retarded serf who thinks the nobles are "job creators".

No hostility intended Yea Forumsro, I said the same thing when I worked for a shitty company that didn't value it's employees, paid us dirt, and treated us like kids. Learn a trade and legit start out making good money with opportunities for fat raises and bonuses. Plus you can always work for yourself at that point should ypu loose your job.

some of the protections can be nice, but removing someones ability to choose whether you are making the right decision for them is the problem

Imagine loving other men fucking your wife this much.

>unions destroy businesses and hurt workers

Fuck the HELL off, you retarded Frank Luntz worshiping subhuman.

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>This. I don’t understand as an employee why you would ever be against union protection.

OP has $145 reasons, and that's a lot on minimum wage.

but corporations are evil so your argument is invalid REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Due to the shitshow of new labor laws and mandated employee benefits passed in the last five years in California, I'm opening a Nevada office and slowly moving the operations from our two California offices to the Nevada office. I have to keep one skeleton-crewed California office to maintain my license, but when I'm done, my two California offices of 27 employees will be down to one California office of 4 or 5. Even with the added overhead of the Nevada office, I'll still save about 10 to 15 percent per year because of the decreased employment costs.

I'm not a steel magnate or tech guru. My business $5.3 million last year and I netted a little under $450k in personal revenue. But now there's at least 23 middle class jobs going away because of out of control labor laws in California. I'm also looking forward to playing less state income tax on the income that will now be attributable to the Nevada operation.

Anyway, your little comic was cute.

Yea almost non of that is true. As a tradesman you can take those skills anywhere in the world. You can charge whatever you want, and trust me... if you're making minimum wage you're a laborer not a tradesman. An apprentice starts out between 12-15 an hour plus bonuses for early compleation if you pick the right contractors. Obviously you make bank with experience and get put on the best paying jobs.

Skill building internship? Sure if you like being a slave... construction you ass hat. That's what trade work is. Embarrassing.

His comic is pretty funny because the last frame is actually a good representation of what unions started yelling when states stopped passing right to work laws?

"we cant force people to join the union? This legislation is the DEATH of unions!"

All this and more coming up on our next new, exciting episode of "Shit that Never Happened Made Up By Lying, Butthurt Right Wing Fuckwits" Stay tuned!

$450k will buy a lot of tissue to dry up the river you’re crying.

Not one union representative or worker said that. Not one. "Right to Work" is a retarded travesty of hyper capitalistic bullshit but its generally only in places that are FAR from where unions exist. It's a red state zero-skill thing.

Enjoy your exploitation while you can.

Your little "it's not illegal" shit show is about to end.

The only regret I have is that you can buy an air service "Get out jail" escape.

>Skill building internship? Sure if you like being a slave...

My company employs straight-out-of-college Compsci interns through a college hire program. Salary base is 55k, and we convert about 40% of them to FTE in 6 months.

What are some of the California labor laws you dislike that won’t be present in Nevada?

>cringe
>nobles
>upgraded to cringelord

Serious question: how much personal risk do you have with your business? Does that change moving your operations to NV?

I rather dislike California from a politics perspective, but I am genuinely curious how it runs from a labor/management/employment perspective for SB/MBs.

Seriously though, I was where you are. You can either grow up and learn something useful or work for peanuts and feel like a used cum rag for Wal-Mart or whatever dead end job you have.

Not sure what to tell ya here. Only thing I can go off of is my father. 30+ years in construction and currently nearing 20 continuous years in Fire Protection (AZ fag lmao) and he hates the union. So idk bud, Fuck it and find another job

Being forced to pay some morons to sit around and do nothing beats keeping your hard earned cash? Sure, buddy.

Oh, yeah, just like in 2007. Construction is the answer!

Grow the fuck up and realize no one cares about all "your hard work".

19th century drone is useless but doesn't understand what its desperate clinging to its high tech "phone" really means.

Stupid. Machines will soon, very soon, replace you. Wake the fuck up.

Underrated comment

Glazier's and Glass Worker's Local 101 and Glazier's, Glass Worker's and Associated Metal Worker's Local 102 had a waiting list of people trying to join. We never had to force any one.

Congratulations, you've delivered yourself into the hands of the fucking Mafia.
In a non 'right to work' state once a union has gotten itself voted in IT controls whether you are actually employed and the terms of that employment, you have just been informed of the payoff necessary to be allowed to clock in, some unions provide self financed medical benefits and retirement schemes if you survive the initial hazing, but make no mistake priority #1 for the Goombahs running these schemes is lining their own pockets.
Never forget that there are goon squads on call if you complain too loud about being fleeced.

Basically, yes. Unions hurt employees, and employers are generally good people who want to help employees

It would cost at least 2 times as much because of unions

Sounds like a shit deal for the other 60%, that's why I don't work an office job. hey if it tickles your fancy and keeps the lights on.

You're a parasite

But that’s not what you were originally referring to as “cringe”. I believe you were saying something about this cartoon was cringe.

Just to warn you those union reps are jack asses that don't know how to do their jobs. Worked in the same area as you. I'd put an application in at fucking Walmart and get the hell out of there.

You mean a scab state that on average only pays min wage and never as much as a union shop does. OP don't buy into any scab bullshit. Pay your dues and go to your union meetings and get educated. Fuck right to work slave cuck shit.

This.

Thanks for the propaganda

Neck yourself parasite

It is if you want to always have a job and make shit tons of money. But be my guest, end up the next pissed off shooter like Sam Hyde

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>cringe
>cringetoon

The left can't meme

None of it was true though

I worked as both a glass cutter and as a hack-out man, among other aspects of the trade, and was paid several times the minimum wage of the time, along with paid vacation, pension contribution, and medical. No non-Union workers were paid as much or treated as well. And we were worth every penny. When I was active not a single Union shop went out of business, but non-Union ones came and went. When you looked at the management side of the parking lots of Union shops all you saw were BMWs, Mercedes, and Cadillacs.

Still carry my Teamster card, constant reminder to never forgive the thieving bastards who took my money for NOTHING...

Because they are totally corrupt and will destroy the business putting the employees out of jobs

So you have no skills, you leach off others work, and you don't have any ability to invent or innovate?

People should totally, absolutely listen to a world class innovator like you.

Totally.

unions are MLM
good luck with that

Why do you think I’m a parasite? It’s a hard job and I earn my pay.

Sorry reality doesn't comport to what you want it to be

Found the unemployable chud.

They're horse and buggy people, no surprise they're a little backward

How dare humans get treated like humans

Shows how stupid the average worker is

You must be new here

Crush the parasitic unions and prices go down. I fail to see the problem

You’re being extorted by the mafi- I mean a union to pay them or they’ll let you get fired.

Unions are great! /s

I joined a union so I could run side jobs for the union bosses like taking out rivals, running drugs and selling stolen merch. Huge bonuses.

Proud to milk more than you're worth? Parasite

No, prices did not go down when the Flat Glass Manu. Ass. finally broke us out. Prices to the customers stayed the same across the board, to the penny. FGMA members did not compete on price.

In your opinion what should a firefighter get paid?

Chocolate milk?

1. They should be privatized.
2. They should be paid what the market deems they're worth, with no corruption via corrupt unions.

I believe that was tried in the past and was a disaster. Whole cities burned to the ground. I do not believe that outside of warfare any cities have been lost to fire that had a unionized, public owned fire department.

Unions are a fucking scam. Specifically IBEW

Socialist propaganda.

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What city burned that had a public Union Fire Department?

>hostile
Wut?

The total state.

There are some fun stories from Philly back in the colonial era, the fire brigades were owned and operated by insurance companies so you'd have uninsured homeowners negotiating prices in the street outside their burning house, sometimes you'd have rival fire companies fighting it out in front of the burning building...
The city fire department fixed that shit, the bloodsucking unions came much later.

Just came in to share my couple pennies. Seems like you runned yourself into some shady fucks.

Not that big of a deal, despite the shilling for and agaisnt unions you should keep a critical thinking about the whole subject.

For skills that require high training and have all kinds of setbacks because you can actually get killed, a union is kinda good if it's not full of crooks.

For anything else, it's bullshit as so many Anons pointed out, your call in the end OP.

I would personally save up some money and get the hell out of there by my 2nd month or so, maybe start applying anywhere good.

>Whole cities burned to the ground
Which cities burned?

>we are here to help the WORKERS!
>lol pay us money to join or lose your job :^)

Welcome to the union comrade , we will now take your protection money directly from your check.

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Everybody like hurr durr fucking union dues doesn't realize they pay five bucks an hour more than anywhere comparable in the area, get guaranteed raises, medical coverage and more paid vacation. Pay your dues, go to union meetings, take advantage of the services they provide.

What has the uaw ever done for anyone anyway? Full dental, vision, mandatory raises, six weeks paid vacation, free attorney services, reasonable hours, and actually actionable path to address issues with the employer and on and on.