Any Berniebros around here want to explain the logic behind "healthcare is a right"?

yes, you souless husk. For those of us with empathy its a tragedy that can be avoided.

1. Evolution: the weak and defective should expire to strengthen the species as a whole.
2. It's not my problem. So what is Jamal dies from his gang related gunshot wound? Why should I pay for him to get healthy again? So he can rape or murder some more?
3. Empathy does not help me compete better in our society, it would do the opposite.

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>you didn't do what I want so you are immoral
>theft is moral
>ends justify the means

Just go hang with your old mate Adolf you disgusting leftist.

The government is a collective of people who simply rob the population daily while offering no alternatives or end to the arrangement. Forced payment is theft by definition.

Enjoy your institutionalised de-individualisation and money extraction machine you corporatist shill.

This faggot takes Trump seriously but not literally. But he takes a kvetching old jew literally.

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People like you who decide to guilt others into paying for shit you're too lazy to contribute anything to are the lowest people on the planet, mentally, physically and socially.

You are exactly who we want to die off.

Wow, big brain argument right here. Not like they get paid to hold a position just like in a capitalist society, no siree.

>socialist
>corporatist shill

Lol pick one, user.

>If healthcare is a right, I have the """right""" to force a doctor to treat me for free.

imagine being this fucking stupid. you have a right to own a weapon, doesn't mean you get one for free from the government.

Providing world class health care is a primary responsibility of good government.

>t. Australian with public healthcare

You know what else isn't a right? Forcing every living human being who is born into this world to obey its made up laws. Yet only an idiot would posit that anarchy is a valid philosophy. If its a "right" to force anyone who participates in your society to live by your rules, then you are going to have to exhange some "rights" in return. Healthcare is just one of many options to do so. If you don't think that ensuring the populace is healthy is a valid exhange for them agreeinv to live by the rules of your society, then what is?

Have you ever visited a country outside of the US?

They are the same. You socialists all argue for government control because you're too lazy to do anything yourselves, but in reality govt control INVARIABLY creates monopolies.

Socialism is a corporate monopoly on government.

Fucking kill yourself you uninformed useful(but really useless) idiot.

Is that why our healthcare fucking sucks mate?

I waited 8 months for chalazion surgery (20min procedure). They fucking BOTCHED THIS and cost the taxpayer over 5k. This year. This is a $300 job.

I still am unfixed.

Ouch, the edge

>Have you ever visited a country outside of the US?
I live in Australia, see

Not American but we pay a national insurance and with income tax takes around 30% of my earnings. From that I technically can see a Dr and get my operations for free. I may have to wait but I don't fork out thousands. That said there is around 15% of the population who will never pay anything. So for the sake of a few why would I want to line the pockets of an insurance company to try and fuck me out of paying up if I get ill? A country as rich as the USA should be able to afford health care without breaking sweat.

I think I know the answer to this, but I'm asking regardless... Have you ever studied sociology or psychology?

>implying any of that is untrue

I did about 6 months of a course before deciding the job prospects sucked and going into oil & gas. Why do you ask?

so there should be no taxes at all? im sure you have no problems using infrastructure paid for by the government, like roads, or relying on emergency services like the police, fire department, etc. or the military protecting your dumb ass. yeah, all those are paid for with taxes.

just say you're an anarchist and go

Born into wealth eh?
Perspective is everything you souless faggot. They system should be able to protect the powerless.

There should be no taxes at all, all that has been proven to be possible to fund via voluntary donations, kill yourself commie faggot.

The system is a method of mob rule and is inherently immoral.

Everyone has a right to life, according to the constitution. How then is it constitutional to prevent a person from having access to tools that continue their life?

I cannot understand how you Americans function.

The three inalienable rights as defined by the constitution: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Without healthcare, you don't have any of these.

Plus it'd save the country billions every year by not having to pay insurance premiums, forcing plarma corps to charge what their shit costs to make (even if they charged double cost we'd save a fucking fortune), and not having hospitals charging 5 figures for a 3 minute, $10 procedure so they can make up nonpayments from other shit.

You're and embarrassment to Australia. Well done.

Careful with that edge

You're the kind of faggot to whine about free market and in the same breath whine about mexicans living in and working the country legally sending all their money back to their family in Mexico.

So you have the "right" to buy healthcare but it shouldnt be provided by the govt which is exactly what he was getting at. Fucking retard

>> all that has been proven to be possible to fund via voluntary donations

citation needed

Stupid cunt
>what are elective procedures?
Also, you know you can just pay for a specialist right?

Meanwhile children with leukemia are being treated within days of diagnosis.

I say we have an excellent healthcare system and I dont care about your feral cyst you're to much of a povo cunt to pay to get removed

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wow so everybody is just gonna voluntarily donate to fund the needs of society? right, and you can also trust people to not commit crime in this perfect society. you have no understanding of how the world works.

Not American. Learn to think critically even of your own beliefs and you'll get there.

Yeah we generally aren't interested in "correct", "proven" or "moral" ideas down here. We just lie, cheat and steal exactly like the convicts we're descended from. Like you want to. All the time, via others because you're a fucking pussy who can't rob anyone yourself.

>you're and
the joke writes itself

Nice strawman. I don't believe in borders so whatever, typical commie faggot lmao.

Do Americans deserve health care? They make the rest is the civilized world look good by being such morons

There are THOUSANDS of studies proving this, and it was also the default state of THE PLANET up till the 20th century. Commies gonna com

You understand nothing about group psychology nor how societies work. That's why I asked.

Move away from your family.
Give away every dollar you ever received from your family.
Live like you have 0 qualifications.

Try to make it in a foreign city, and pay your rent and health insurance.

This WILL change your prospective

>we have good healthcare
>no no no not for you though

You're a moron.

>I don't believe in borders
The borders don't need you to believe in them. If you think commies are bad, you do believe in borders.

>you can't trust people not to steal so we need to rob everyone

Commie logic

Well, what an interesting opinion of a communist, based on nothing. How will I sleep?

>is unironically an anarchist
You need to be at least 18 to post here kiddo

My parents died when I was 17. You know nothing of hardship and you never will because you get everyone else to do everything for you.

I have guns for commies.

Gonna need to hear a better idea, faggot.

Your logic falls apart the moment a kid is diagnosed with bone cancer.

you have guns for range toys and that's it kiddo

The same people pay for it either way, the difference is whether you have the power to negotiate with the giant, international corporations that control prices, or have to just accept what's offered.

Every nation should do the latter and the only people who don't think so are people who imagine themselves powerful or imagine themselves someday being the one doing the raping

Ah yes, and this means you should have taxpayer funded healthcare because...?

>sounds something like this "you're an ass hat"

If the stingy faggot had just paid the $300 for a specialist himself then it would have been seen within the week.

Instead he waited for free eye surgery and it probably got worse and then was a hard surgery with a long recovery time.

Dickhead has no sympathy from me.

If you're actually legitimately sick, then our healthcare is second to none.
All paid for by the taxpayer.

And the overwhelming majority of Australians agree that this is good and proper.

Suck shit yanky faggitz

Pic related. Its you

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This is the fact of the matter. All berniebros take note.

because it is not the child's fault and they should not suffer in the richest nation because of bad luck for not having rich parents.

Life saving work is being done fir people in actual needs.
>B-but my buut boil isn't being seen to fast enough!
Pay a private doctor scum.

Freedom of personal choice and association. Doctors don't HAVE to treat ANYONE. They choose their patients all the time. It could be based on their health problems. It could be based on their insurance. It could be anything. It doesn't matter who is paying you. You don't have to do one damn thing you don't want to do if you have freedom of choice and are not being coerced. Your ideas are fascist.

>our healthcare isn't good unless you pay for jt

You got there eventually user. Thanks for admitting it sucks finally.

Oh and the overwhelming majority think it's abysmal. Look up polls. Hospital satisfaction numbers are at record lows and they're full to the brim with multiple year wait times, just like the NHS.

Take your communist bullshit and fuck off.

Oh yes. Leaving it up to a corporation never leads to anything amoral greed at the expense of the people...

You don't need rich parents to get a fucking job. You don't even need to be able bodied. I worked from 17,stop wasting your life.

>we need free healthcare
>you need to pay
>you can't use it tho

Commies every time.

So you have lived your whole adult life with your inheritance.

Please tell me more of your hardship?
My heart bleeds for you faggot

The government is a corporation. I rest my case.

I was born in Melbourne to African immigrants. Tf you think I had?

>There are THOUSANDS of studies proving this

citation needed.

The hold a position until they no longer decide to hold it. A doctor can quit and go anywhere they choose to go. They can even change careers or just fucking retire. It's called individual choice. They'll have consequences to pay for their actions, sure. They may be fired. They may be transferred. Lots of things could happen as a result of a doctor refusing to treat someone. But you still can't FORCE someone to provide their services to others. Take your Communist shit somewhere else.

Only a commie would say losing your parents is easy if you have money

There is an entire school of economics centred around that very principle. All of Austrian school economics, ie the only school with any actual hard data behind it, supports this theory.

I say again, which study do you want? There are thousands. Mises institute has hundreds.

Typical commie, can't look anything up otherwise they wouldn't be a commie.

Ask the question, "would you (as Australians) prefer the current healthcare system, or move towards a privatization model like the United States?"

Where do you sincerely think the majority of Australians would side?

>pay $300 for immediate surgery for an elective or wait for free now my eye or hurts longer than it should... our system is broken!!
Kys

Because nothing gets more expensive when the government is in charge. Idiot

You should go back home to Africa.

Im pretty sure that whole continent has prive heathcare

>no data, just a question framed a specific way
>no you can't use the free healthcare it's not free for you

Not funding it then, go fuck yourself you communist faggot.

It sucks there too thanks to GOVERNMENT. Most of my relatives have been gunned down in the past decade, not that I saw them anyway.

you are literally too illiterate to reply to. come back with a response when your 3rd grade teacher has gone over reading comprehension with you.

Thanks.

>>There are THOUSANDS of studies proving this

citation needed.

Fuck me, how hard is it to produce 1 paper, any paper on this?

Of course I'm not going to look something up. You made a statement with zero proof to back it up, why am I going to search to see if you're right? Anyone with a normal level of intelligence (if they want to put forward a point of view and not seem like a knuckle dragging moron spitting out whatever they're told) makes a statement and provides evidence for it.

I have no idea if you're right or not, you might well be and then I'll have to reconsider the way I think cause I make decisions on evidence. But sheep spouting whatever Fox News tells them to, that's a no from me.

When did people lose the ability to have a discussion using facts logic and reason?

>But you still can't FORCE someone to provide their services to others

No one is asking for that dipshit. Have you ever used socialized medicine before? You walk into whatever clinic or doctors office you choose just like you normally do and they treat you, just like they would if you were paying them. The only difference is the government pays them instead of you directly. Whats so hard about that to understand? No one is saying you can show up to a doctors house at 2am and force them to treat you, thats what hospitals and emergency rooms are for. Where am I losing you where you think anyone is being FORCED to provide a service?

I just told you the name of the institute that primarily does these studies.

mises.org/

Here is the link even

How dense are you?

Then it is funded exclusively via theft.

Also, the free market increases efficiency and quality while all controlled markets drive both down statistically 100% of the time. Compulsory funding is the most controlled market there is.

You deserve to live in NK.

thats still not linking a study retard.

may as well have said google.com.

You'll learn once you graduate high school and have to actually backup your claims.

You have already forked over thousands

>Then it is funded exclusively via theft.

cool, hope you don't use any publicly funded sidewalks or roads when you go to work.

>Also, the free market increases efficiency and quality while all controlled markets drive both down statistically 100% of the time. Compulsory funding is the most controlled market there is.

I actually agree with this.

>Austrian school economics, ie the only school with any actual hard data behind it, supports this theory.
The only school that rejects hard data... You got it backwards

Did all of this when I turned 18.

My mind hasn't changed.
Want to know why?
I'm not a lazy fucking nigger.

How about "obey the laws or we lock your ass up"?

They're laughed at by even other hardcore pro market economists

>unless you do all my legwork I will say you are from high school ha ha I am such a intellectual back on reddit to post about white supremacy again

>the only way to fund anything is with theft
>those stupid peasants wouldn't know what to spend their money on

Then why do you support a controlled market?

Ah yes, that must be why all of the data, and I do mean ALL of it, says free markets invariably beat out controlled ones.

He had a go at me for not being poor enough earlier despite not knowing me. Commies are insane.

Citation needed :)

>Ah yes, that must be why all of the data, and I do mean ALL of it, says free markets invariably beat out controlled ones.
I'm referring to the Austrian school, not economics in general.

>unable to distinguish between Austrian and general modern (Keynesian) economics

Well I don't expect commies to know anything about econ after all

There are no rights. A bear or a flu bug does not care about your "right" to self preservation.

Rights are a statement by government, what they will and will not do for you.

Army, police, infrastructure. All these have been given to you as "right" on promise of the government, and additional ones can be added.

Healthcare is on that list for sufficiently old people. Some think it should be there for everyone, as it is in majority of most developed countries.

So many fucking commies on this board, sickening.

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Ah, yes. The good old black / white thinking. I'm sure you personally are for abolishment of US interstate system, and only use toll-roads in your daily life. Live what you preach!

Exactly which is why if some person, government, space lobster, or related dooshes infringe on your rights then you are within yours to protect them.
Just like if you were in the woods with wolves...no police there to protect you so you must do it in the most capable way you can.

The idea that in the face of something jacking your rights one has to be devoured by the wolves is the Hobbesian nightmare realized.

Oh fuck off. Nothing good has ever come from Communism. Gulags, secret police, mass murder, famines, breadlines, and zero respect for any human rights. Rights only exist in liberal democracies with free markets.

You want to protect the rights you just agreed you don't have? Rights are also a way government / society use to define what is not OK to do to an individual.

Without those, your two neighbors can decide you're infringing on their right to property, and come around with two guns, opposing your single gun, and take away "their property" from you. Because, you see, without government or social norms, you are both equally right in thinking whose property that house you live in is.

Your failed attempt at labeling any and all government services as "communism" has been noted.

Unless you are capable of thinking in terms other than 100% capitalist or 100% state-run healthcare, we have no discussion to have here.

so the child must suffer for the failings of the parent?

>Your failed attempt at labeling any and all government services as "communism" has been noted.
Famalam, if you're okay with totalitarian governments telling you what to do, go move to North Korea. I don't want the government telling me I can't get X procedure done because I'm critical of the government.

I think having more people healthy, productive and out of misery is a good thing for society. Yes, you live in one, no amount of libertarian fantasizing will change that.

Oh look, another one of those clever attempts at false dichotomy!