America has an obvious problem with gun control...

That is not correct. Look at the UK for example. It's basically illegal to buy guns, but that doesn't mean that guns are flowing in from other countries. Even half decent border controls can almost totally eradicate the illegal import of firearms.

The UK is surrounded by water on all sides, while the United States is touching 2 other countries with different gun laws. It wouldn't work

please go away.

I really don't agree with that. Canada has more restrictive gun laws than the vast majority of the USA, and Mexico... Really? As if that border is not super heavily policed already.

great text.. reminds how well Wacko and Ruby Ridge went.

oh, wait..

never mind

What about mainland Euope? Strict gun laws, low gun crime, all countries bordered by other contries etc.

Just like with drugs, right?

>Illegally from where?
Guns are simple ass devices. You can make one easily if you have a lathe.

Aren't there millions of illegals in the US? And where do you think the drugs come from? Everywhere the drugs come from the guns can go as well, so planes, across the border, made in homes etc.

Even without a lathe. 3D printer n shit.
Gun powder can be replaced with propane.

America has a problem with gun violence. Not with guns. Most countries have guns and only one has had 253 mass shootings this year. It's not the guns. It's the people. It's the healthcare. It's the basic living wage. It's the divisiveness and unwillingness to have civil conversations.

Just deport all niggers back to Africa

>Most logical counterpoint in entire thread.

>You can make one easily if you have a lathe
a what

you're right, it's not the guns per se.. it's all of the things you mention, combined with easy acess to guns.

A lathe. Metal lathe.
Even shitty toy like pic related would work.

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noice

You want drug violence to go down? Legalize them. We don't see tommy guns and aks getting pulled out for liquor sales anymore for a reason. It's legal. This has been proven repeatedly in the past. It's really a shit point for you to even try to bring up.

anyone who thinks they need a gun is a complete fucking racist retard. just a bunch of cousin fucking inbreeding nazis

I need a gun. To kill you and your family. Nobody will stop me. Not even the laws. Not even Allah.

It you can convert imperial to metric, or have metric steel brake line pipes laying around, you can do a gun without a lathe

w-woah..

>Drug violence
Where was that mentioned? How does:
>Guns will get into the United States the same way drugs will
Translate to the shit you thought I said?

im yurofart. i speak metric.

Now, what ya gonna do? Wanna gun?

>guns are racist
You guys are such monkeys.

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I read it wrong. Thought you were trying to blame violence on the drug trade. Just reread it, I agree. If there's a demand, they're coming in.

how's that bait taste, son?

Is there really a difference anymore?

Most definitely probably yes. Maybe. But calling people monkeys even if they weren't baiting you isn't helping anything either.

senpai i wanna fugg desu

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The point isn't that you can win pitched battles against a professional army with all its ordinance, as a rag-tag citizens' militia with small arms. The point is that you CAN FIGHT. You can bleed them. When they come patrolling through your neighborhood, you might be able to take a couple of the fuckers with you. Hell, you might even be able to run away and do it again; they couldn't engage in endless "manhunts" for everyone who resisted them. They'd never feel safe and there could be shooters behind any window.

Of course, they COULD call in the artillery and air-support and level your neighborhood, sure. What would this get them though? Well, it would piss a lot of people off when innocents died and play into the hands of rebels. It would make a lot of the soldiers in that professional military seriously consider whether they were doing the right thing or not. Finally, it would simply kill people, and NO ONE wants to rule a nation of corpses.

The aim of a tyrant is to control, not to kill. What they want is to be able to have militarized police & gestapo point guns at people and cow them into submission to whatever dictates they want to impose. If citizens are instead waiting behind their doors and ready to shoot first when the jackbooted thugs come around, they've already failed.

So, the point is to fight. If you resist, you're not being controlled, and you're also undermining attempts to control others who can't or won't fight. Yes, you might die, of course. However, that's why Patrick Henry said what he famously said, more or less.

"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.

That's why Americans having guns is so important.

Better idea: why not just make crime illegal?

The gist is, you want to be an asshole.

>That's why Americans having guns is so important.
Yeah. Have fun with that when your govenrment stops the selling of ammunitions.
Because you need to stop UR GUBBMINT.

reloading is a fun and rewarding pass time.

get off it. idiot.. you ain't the Viet Cong and none of you fat redneck fucks have half the guts let alone a quarter of the heart it takes to wage guerrilla warfare.

if you say so user

damn, I have no snarky remark to that. You win.

Anyone retarded enough to think they'll hold off the American military with some ar 15s by hiding in some bushes a block from their house is a fucking moron. What's he gonna do with no phone service or electricity? When the Walmart runs out of food? It's a fantasy these people think up because they think their life will be the same plus gunfights. They're living in a dreamworld of movies and TV shows where it ends in a few hours at most.

human beings are undeniably primates. get over it

I thought ARs were deadly weapons of war that no one should be allowed to own, which is it?

The problem with gun control is the ignorance. Pushing for control have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

But you're wrong about guns in the US. Adjusted per capita, we're no different than anyone else. People (bigoted eurofags and moron liberals) exaggerate the numbers

kek

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"in·fringe - to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another"
"en·croach - to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another"
The intent of such a plan of stopping the production of new guns would be to gradually reduce gun ownership in the populace, would it not? Words mean things.

I thought ARs were the vigilant sovereign citizens great defence against a tyrannical government, which is it?

I see a future of blood running in the America's streets. I see the sane and the logical hanging from every lamp post. I see wild eyed libertarian survivalists dashing for the burned out supermarket, hoping to find another heavily armed psychopath crouching in the remains of the frozen foods, so at least there'll be one last good old fashioned all-american shootout before they both starve to death. I see idiots and ugliness winning by the mile, proud captains of a boat with a hole in the bottom.

>Why not just stop new sales though?
Because prices will go through the roof and gun theft will increase dramatically. Until a significant number of weapons have moved onto the black market. Then god luck tracking them or their owners.

anyone retarded enough to think the american military (a bunch of underpaid under-appreciated assholes) will go into all out war with other citizens are the MOST stupid and unintelligent
the thing about psychology,
its real, and real tests have been done proving this would NEVER happen
the military would NEVER completely turn against its people because the military is MADE of people who have families that they would be turning against
thats MUCH harder than taking your AR 15
you idiot

If drugs can't be legal because "it harms people" then guns shouldn't be legal because their sole genisis
from day one was to kill.

>but muh sports and target practice

Not every one uses guns for recreation, just like people who use drugs recreationally aren't all junkies.

I cant wait to hear the shit spew out all the burgers who try to defend this.

>pic somewhat related

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This just looks wrong without Ben Garrison.

>but my sports and target practice
literally very few gun owners take this stance and its because they are young, and/or uneducated
the guns in every household are to withstand a tyrannical government
period
thats it
thats what gun lobbyists fight for
thats what people die for
the right to defend YOURSELF
not target practice
not home "self defense"
based on the amendments
we are supposed to be as equipped as you need to be to fight off your government
not a burglar
not a rapist
the government

Two things here,

1. Illegal drugs are still used all the time

2. Taking away drugs is not like taking away guns because you take away drugs and people still buy them, they only harm themselves, you take away guns and now only criminals who gets guns illegally have access to them, leaving everyone else defenseless

I’ll tell you what, if a bitch ever tries to shoot up some public place im in, he better not miss, because I will not.

I'm legitimately somewhat curious to see if even a few isolated incidents of terk-are-jerbs actually take up arms and shoot back at the first sign of let's just say a "USWC Agent" (United States Weapons Collector) in the future calmly and peacefully knocking on the door knowing he has endless amounts of back up ready to fuck any who oppose him up.

Kek fucking burgers...

Those federal agents would be genuinely lynched.

If they weren't armed in Waco you never would have heard a thing about it

Theyre overpowered against civilian targets but against tanks, aircrafts and drones they might as well be toothpicks.

>this
thats what libtards and out of country faggots will never understand! The whole, "you dont need a 30 round assault rifle to kill a deer" or "you dont need a .308 rifle to defend your house" thats all propoganda. You guys are being brainwashed to be cucked by your own government. You guys have the right to own guns and defend yourself. Dont ever give that up for anything or anyone.

Well then we lost that right the day we weren't allowed to own nuclear arms, full automatic weapons, and biochemical means of defence.

You do realize that any attempt to fight back against the US government has ended with certain death over hmmm... let's be modest and say 100 years ago??

Youre absolutely right; the protection against a tyrannical government isnt armed civilians but a military that would rather defect than targets its own civilians.

Like Egypts army did, it refused its order to attack protesters.

If it's a crowded place I feel extremely sorry for anyone standing around him if your nearby when the first shot goes off because both you and me know on a good day you're 4/10 with a short barrel pistol at more than 50m

no because thats back to this guys pointthe government isnt out to control NOTHING
theyre out to control PEOPLE
nukes, fully automatic weapons, biochemical means= killing mass amounts of people
but no people= no one to control and make you money while you never work
there are MILLIONS of guns in the US
thats a threat because THAT is what could stop a tyrannical government
nuking doesnt stop governments
fully automatic guns dont stop governments

I'm not sure our army would refuse to attack our citizens the way Egypt's army did.

Heres the funny part user..

I love guns.

I'm a legal gun owner and have been around them and have been raised hunting my whole life.

But I value that life more.

I'll be god damned if I'm gonna open fore with my semi auto wanna be M4 on a small force of fully equipped men of government if that day would ever come.

I might talk shit that I'm depressed and suicidal, but I'm not gonna go down over that...

The constitution doesnt ban civilians from owning nukes.

No but fully automatic weapons and nuking stop YOU

Dont worry, that would never happen.

They would just send a drone with a small bomb.

you can be a gun owner
but that spacing proves you are an autistic faggot
god bless america

A. There are more guns than people in the USA, so people can still trade them between each other which is legal in most states. If the gov't made this illegal, people will still do it because the gov't won't know a gun has changed hands unless they have someome checking your gun safe regularly, which would be costly (remember, over 400 million guns)
B. What about the gun companies and their employees? You intend on destroying the livelihood of all of those people who work for them? Just tell them they're all fired and have to find a new job? What about the stocks for gun companies, AOBC, RGR, OLIN? Just eliminate that money from the market?
C. What about gun stores? There are about ~130,000 of them in America, very few of them are chains. Are you going to tell mom and pop that their business has to shut down and they need to find a new venture?

Yeah whats with his correct punctuation and capitalization. Its like he finished more than 3 years of school!

again
extremely underestimating the amount of people and the amount of guns that are in america
if the government DID rebel against the people
the people would join
thats MILLIONS of people
and also back to the psychology
its HIGHLY unlikely and scientifically proven most humans wouldnt nuke or kill or bomb their own citizens
the governments know this
you should too

>not getting the point
my point exactly

That word is thrown around so loosely I almost want to go to DC just to make my suicide by cop reason is to be within farting distance of that retared ass document.

No you fucking asshat, the constitution says fuck all about nukes. The concept of nuclear fission was hardly a thought centuries ago. Just because muh constitushun doesnt say you cant own a nuke doesnt mean you can own one you fucking dope. It also doesnt say you cant have a hard drive full of CP but we all know that's illegal.

>this is the rationale of your average trumpette

The problem is that stupid people get a rush out of firing them. It doesn't matter how many people die from guns, as long as it doesn't effect them. These fucking idiots feel so powerful with them, like no one can stop them. It is a mental issue, but it's more of a low IQ problem.

If you cant explain something simply, then you don't understand it well enough

I would argue that majority of these recent mass shooters have a well above average IQ

you reddit space like a fucking faggot
anyone with a brain would understand that
you dont because you are a faggot
is that well explained enough for your dumb ass?

What the fuck do you mean "if the government did rebel"

The entire purpose of a government is to do that exact thing. A government will never "rebel" against anything because it is to govern. You know the exact opposite of rebel.

Fuck I swear dictionaries need to be a thing again

if by
>YOU
you mean the over 400 million guns in the US
than YOU are a fucking idiot
if you meant
>YOU
as in me
as in, it would be only ME a single person defending that right
then YOU
are a fucking idiot

i’m curious, all you soyboys who are too afraid to pick up a gun, what’ll you do when you’re left with nothing, the police fail you, there’s an active shooter approaching you, and the only chance you have of surviving would be to pick up a nearby gun? would you fight for your life, or just be another victim

You have me confused with someone who's never used a weapon. Keep your generalizations to yourself. An ar 15 is a pea shooter next to a browning m2. I'm not the one saying we need to take away guns. I will always fight for that right. I'm saying the guns you have will not protect you from the us military if that's how you want it to play out. I'm saying I'm tired of hearing people use that as an argument when it's a complete fantasy.

I almost wish I was gay just so you can have an ounce of substance to anything you're trying so to me. That way I can atleast feel like I'm almost talking to an albeit chiral but a peer nonetheless.

What the fuck does that even mean?
Reddit space? I typed a complete and coherent sentence. I dont even fucking get on that site.

kek

Then you can die by the sword. I'll live by reason

you have no reason
its not that hard to understand
but you cant seem to reason it out in your head how stupid what you've been saying really is

Different user. Most violent crime can be directly traced to gangs weather its turf wars, sloppy attempts at a hit, or strung out junkies robbing a liquor store to feed their habit.

What have I been saying user?

Come on say it.

That if I was outnumbered by government officials with me and my lonesome that I would surrender my shotgun and 9mm and me and my cat will survive instead of going down "guns blazing" and by that I mean peppering Pvt. Goode one time before being immediately gunned down?

1) US doesn't have anything close to half decent border controls. What do you think so much partisan fighting is about?
2) Illegal drugs and banned cellphones get into prisons. If you can't stop things from getting into a prison what do you think the chances are from stopping something from getting into a country.
3) Next to drugs, illegal weapons are already number 2 terms of illegal black market. Banning guns will only make the market more profitable. The trouble with illegal black market items is the more successful the authorities the more profitable the item. Why do you think you still have drug runners in Saudi Arabia when getting caught guarantees a beheading?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

give up

No need too. They're not knocking at my door to take them, and they never fucking will. That's my whole point, the hard right will always use the "tyrannical" government guise to push their agenda

3% of the population owns 50% of the guns so stop throwing that number around as if it means anything. Of the other 50% of the guns which are only owned by 40% of the population, how many of them do you think have any military training? Or have ever fired a weapon with intent to kill a human being? Or have been shot at? How many would even fight at all? With hunting rifles. Good luck.

Maybe tell him about the benefits of being vegan?

And over 240 of those "mass shootings" were urban crime that was barely deemed worthy of local news much less national news. They'll use black deaths to artificially inflate the number tally for "mass shootings" using the new criteria for the term but ignore the incident if it doesn't fit the narrative. Notice which shooting gets all the coverage. The Garlic festival shooter is almost forgotten and Dayton is already getting rabbit holed compared to El Paso. Watch how fast todays stabbing spree gets forgotten as well.

Afgans under worse conditions have been holding their own for over a decade.

That's true other than white collar crime which should be more important by now to everyone. And yet we keep them illegal which in and of itself creates crime, we have for profit prisons that encourage locking people up for petty/nonviolent crimes. We have drug dealers becoming billionaires and thanking the US's war on drugs for making it possible. And do you think they'd be having turf wars if it was leagal? Have you read about Prohibition at all? We spend billions of dollars every year on the "drug war" while we have proof our own government has brought the shit in themselves. I mean at what point does this shit stop? No one's whipping out Uzi's and aks over jack Daniels turf war. But they used to didn't they?

Tanks, aircraft and drones don't work in isolation. They all require massive material and logistical support. Not that easy to maintain when literally everything is already behind enemy lines.

Sure. Now go break into an army base on high alert and let me know how that works out for ya

Have you seen Afghanistan? You can hide in the Rockies if you want but most of that country is mountains. So you stay there hiding in a hole in the side of a mountain while the rest of the country moves on and you think that's a win. You think you could even do that? How long can you hold out with no supplies or electricity? Cuz that's what they're doing. Fuck it, how long can you go without WiFi or a big Mac or communication to anyone not within earshot? A bed? Clean water? Keep living your fantasy user. You are not them.

Why would I need to do that? You knock out bridges. You knock out power grids. You dump IEDs along supply lines. You got a supply convoy coming through you have a sniper put a hole through the driver of the 2nd or third truck.

1) you need to meet some people who aren't city hipsters and college students. Lots of people live without things you deem indispensable
2) people always assume that Middle Eastern people are all these crazed Spartan types that can naturally handle deprivation. But many were just people that were living in modern cities who learned to adapt.

That's cute. What movie are you watching? I have this funny show called reality, where even chinese armies build bridges across rivers in less than thirty minutes. Military has their own power grids and you don't have a sniper capably of doing that without some serious training is a military sniper.

I'm saying these people grew up in a very hostile environment and are absolutely more suited to this than most Americans I've met including preppers and militia. And the small percentage that can AND will are too few to pose a real threat. These people will have their 10 year old kid play soccer with your decapitated head and laugh. I also never said those things were indispensable to me. Just to the majority of people in this country. They're the reason you have no chance.