MENTAL HEALTH CHECK TO OWN A FIREARM

there will be no, when the time comes.
just play fallout if you want your gun fix

How would asking people to be certified not batshit crazy be bad for anyone but crazy people. To say that mental health testing is bad is implying that you want mentally ill people to have guns you mong.

> US military couldn't hold a single large city under strict martial law.

You’re retarded.

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The fallacy being that emotionally unstable segments of people havnt called for mental health checks before all gun purchases? Because they obviously have. The fallacy being that the majority of academia is slanted left? It obviously is.

Yeah that’s why during other fascist dictatorships, there was never any soldiers to fight for their governments. Fucking moron

do you not know how fallacies work? you have to prove the slope or else you are being irrational.

> Who's flying that military chopper user?

Oh yeah. History is just loaded with examples where the military sided with the people and not the regime during a revolution.

this. right here

you watch too many movies; your government only wants you uneducated, breeding, and paying taxes, dum dum. and if the military DID want to take over, europe would LOVE the opportunity to call the US gov tyrants and "rescue" its citizens. also, no amount of firepower would even the playingfield; our military could CRUSH us, it wouldnt even be funny. its, like, half our budget, military spending. seriously, dude, wake up.

The us military cant defeat a group of philosophically motivated towel heads in the mountains. They're going to attack their own countrymen with more vigor or effect? You're more retarted.

An irrational person believes that no segment of the population has called for mental health checks before each gun purchase.

your guns dont do anything. they just hurt people. why should you want to perpetuate hurting people

shit sounds like jibberish; mouth stuffed with too many throbbing phallusies.

My guns have never hurt anyone. I appreciate your concern though.

Those towelheads are fanatics who are willing to drink camel piss while living in caves.

Most Americans get pissy if they miss second breakfast.

It’s hardly the same.

they absolutely will or else they have no use. you have spent thousands on things that will do nothing for you.

The us destroyed isis retard

>slipper slope

30 days in an inpatient psychiatric hospital in Maryland, no gun for you. Where is the line? Guy lost a wife or child in an accident, goes to a therapist for a year, possibly medication. In the database?

if i were a person in power, it would be in my best interest to protect gun laws and give the citizens a false sense of control over their lives and governance.

Give me one example where the government didn't use misinformation, disarmament, and brainwashing to convince military personnel to kill civilians. Oh, and protip: those people weren't going around killing their own families. They were killing "undesirables."

Excellent rebuttal. Your position is that no segment of the population has called for mental health checks before purchasing a firearm. Your ears and eyes must be broken.

is the populace segmented? sausages are segmented.

Americans aren't fanatical about gun rights. Ok.
God willing you are correct. Rather have em and not need em than need em and not have em. It's your right to disarm yourself. It's my right to not. The vietnamese?

Adding. The “red flag laws”. “Hey that guy (because it will be 99% men) looks suspicious, angry, loner demeanor. Better call the authorities.”

Only in California and Montana.

>someones robbing me
>oh no I hurt him defending myself

Get wrecked faggot

They have a use as a deterrent for tyranny. They also provide a feeling of safety because you know you can defend your loved ones and don't need to just hope the police arrive in time.

>And the left is inherently authoritarian.
it's so cute when broken retard conservatives try to use words thy don't understand to sound smart.

Yep. Get ready for a cry wolf effect when school starts.

> Americans aren't fanatical about gun rights. Ok.

Not as many as you think, user. 90% of Americans are in favor of stricter gun control laws.

Oh, so you're talking about 50 years ago?

That's why they've been enacted. Only takes 66% to change the constitution... so what are you waiting for?

>90% of Americans are in favor of stricter gun control laws.

Top Kek

No I'm talking about today. I worked for the military for a few years, the vast majority of the air force wont be bombing US cities. Also, guns aren't going anywhere. Maybe California passes tighter laws than they already have, but the rest of the country isn't budging. Most states are moving towards relaxing laws, actually.

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It doesn't matter, because antimaterial rounds will be bouncing off of the General Dynamics terminators that will be confiscating firearms. That will be there dry run, before forced sterilization. I support the owners of the terminators, for the masses are inferior wagecucks.

sheesh, someones getting paid by the NRA...

Calm down buddy. We got people here that think a full 90% of all Americans are in favor of turning their guns in to the state. You're not gonna get anywhere with facts.

ok trumptard go back to granny's fanny sack and suck her diet coke nipple

Get off the internet the founding fathers did not anticipate hi capacity speech platforms.

Afghanistan & Vietnam disagree with your view.

> We got people here that think a full 90% of all Americans are in favor of turning their guns in to the state.

No one thinks that faggot, Americans are just sick of movie theaters and malls being fucking shooting galleries for incels.

libertarians, get the fuck in here!

this

Should take down those fake "gun free zone" signs and take responsibility for your own protection. And yeah, a guy like 5 posts ago said 90% of Americans want less gun rights..

>To become a psychologist usually requires many credit hours in the Humanities
0 credits in humanities required. You can become accredited entirely on science credit hours, and many do.
>the left is inherently authoritarian
So is the right. Government is inherently authoritarian. The left want to control some things, the right others.
>The left has completely taken over American education
No, the left are just the only ones who seem to care about improving education, which is good because high standards of education have proven universally to be good for the country, it's economy, and its quality of life.
>The majority of Evergreen State College graduates go on to become public school teachers.
I'd love to see the source for that data. I believe you pulled that from your ass, but if you did not I would happily re-evaluate my position on at least ESU.

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>Bret Weinstein made a documentary about what happened on the Evergreen State College

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To all the retards arguing that you can't fight the government with small arms: Bull fucking shit.

There is a reason dictators disarm the populace before they begin genociding them.

There is a reason the CIA floods countries with small arms before destabilizing them and orchestrating revolutions.

There is a reason that revolutions still exist despite all the scary technology that you claim can't be beaten.

You dumb fucks ate that bag of dick propaganda tip shaft and balls. You stupid, stupid fucks.

Some will “strongly encourage” people to “get help” just so they can be put in the no buy database.

“Eighty-six percent of American voters support a bill recently passed by the House of Representatives that requires background checks for all gun purchases (including those conducted at gun shows and by online vendors), including 80 percent of Republicans and 70 percent of gun owners. When asked if they support "requiring background checks for all gun buyers," 93 percent of voters said that they do, including 89 percent of Republicans and 87 percent of gun owners. The survey also noted that support for universal background checks has fluctuated from 88 percent to 97 percent in every poll taken by Quinnipiac University since February 2013, with the numbers peaking at 97 percent in the immediate aftermath of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.”

salon.com/2019/03/06/new-poll-identifies-two-policy-proposals-90-percent-of-americans-support/

“2nd amendment is good for when the government becomes tyrannical but doesn’t resort to brainwashing military personnel”

Imagine having this smooth of a brain

AYYYY

Also, undesirables could be people against the tyrannical government. Dumbass

Bump this. How are there so many people who still don't understand this?

I hope these anti gun retards are just government troll accounts generated by propaganda software.

You sound like a russian bot.

Salon as a source haha
99% chance hilary would win too.

It doesn't give people the right to bear arms. It gives the people the right to form militias.

Only militias should have firearms.

It’s citing a Quinnipiac poll you fucking mouth-breather.

Nope. Well regulated militias COMMA the right of the PEOPLE wont be infringed.

>Part 1
ALL OF MY NOPES. TAKE ALL OF THEM

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Quinnipiac said 99% Hillary wins too, along with all the other "reputable" polling agencies. Salon is one of the most slanted sources you could possibly cite.

see
for starters, and secondly to the original point; every historical example of the military putting the boots to the public starts with disarmament, and the alleged brainwashing that you assume would happen was courtesy of controlling the media/dissemination of information which in this day and age in the US would be absolutely impossible. Thirdly, military personnel are not part of a higher caste of people in the US, they're normal citizens whose family and friends are normal citizens so I don't know why you're so utterly convinced they would turn and mow down their neighbors in an Apache, dumbass.

Exactly. The right of the people to form militias. The people have the right to bear arms ONLY if they join a militia where they'll receive proper training on how to possess firearms responsibly.

How about actually going to college and learn something from a legitimate authority rather than trying to educate yourself using prison planet.

>being this mad about something you can’t change
My guess is you’re exactly the type of dude who would be denied a firearm for being mentally unstable. Thing is there cupcake, this slippery slope you’re talking about is better than not taking any measures to limit actual retards from having access to guns. I mean hell, ask me guns should be outlawed for any adult not current or former military or LEO. why should you have the right to bear arms? What do you contribute to society that you should be given blanket rights to shit like guns and free speech?

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That’s why Australia is now a fascist state, and all the other countries that went for harsher gun control laws? Please read more ;)

> Quinnipiac said 99% Hillary wins

Why are you making shit up? They found Hilary over Trump 51% to 41%

Polling is obviously not a science but it does give a peek at the current zeitgeist.

You, however, feel the need to make up easily disproven bullshit to support your argument. That means you lose.

A quick read of a few of the federalist papers would clear up your ignorance on this subject. It's one of the clearest issues. The justices who study and interpret the constitution along with the supporting documents (federalist papers) disagree with you and have written numerous opinions stating that.

I'm arguing for people to have the right to own guns to protect against tyranny, so maybe some reading comprehension on your part would be good,

You said 90% of Americans want less gun rights. What's more bullshit than that?

Sure they did. That’s why they wrote the 2nd amendment the way they did. You’re not very bright, are you?

> reading comprehension

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An ar15 won’t stop drones you utter cretin lol. No matter how tyrannical a government is, people will fight for that government. Go to school sweetie

>damage control

The supreme court is on my side, not yours on this issue. They went to college, I'm sure.
I promise the college I went to was better than yours.

> You said 90% of Americans want less gun rights. What's more bullshit than that?

90% of Americans support universal background checks and no gun show loopholes. Check. Mate.

>No matter how tyrannical a government is, people will fight for that government
Excuse me the French Revolution would like a word with you

So they were wrong about the zeitgeist then, they're correct now, and salon isn't slanted. That's your professional opinion? That explains why you're wrong about firearm control too.

> Sure they did.

>2019
>being this retarded

Go eat a Tide Pod, kid.

Then why aren't those regulations in place? It only takes 66% to ban guns altogether.... what are you waiting on?

Ah yes, the French Revolution is an apt comparison to modern day drone strike riddled government military

> what are you waiting on?

There is an incredibly powerful gun lobby in America. Most of the Republicans are wiling to defy the wishes of the people so they can keep sucking that fat NRA tit.

But those days are numbered.

My test would have one question: "have you ever posted a rambling conspiracy post on Yea Forums?" If the answer is yes, you're too crazy to get a gun

Ah, yes avoiding the point by making a spurious comparison. Brilliant. Again, see

It's almost like the US is a Republic and the Senate regularly ignores popular opinion

We will see wont we. Been hearing the same thing since the 80s. Had a "gun ban", which did nothing, now were here.
90% of all Americans want less gun rights, you say. Its amazing that most red states are moving the other direction, and the same Republican reps keep getting elected.

Holy shit I’m so happy I’m not an American. You faggots are so retarded, it’s impressive

It's almost like the Senate under democratic rule did the same nothing the Republican controlled Senate will do. It's almost like regardless of "which side" controls the Senate, nothing is going to happen. It's almost like both "sides" are beholden to the same private bank to create more currency to fund their deficit spending because they know they cant pass a direct tax to fund their nonsense.
Almost.

>MENTAL HEALTH CHECK TO OWN A FIREARM
>This is a slipper slope
Let me get this straight.

You want someone who hears voices to have a gun, but once you stop them from having access to guns, it means you're about to be subject to tyranny?

Were you trying to buy a gun?

> the same Republican reps keep getting elected.

I guess that’s why the Dems flipped 40 seats in the house last year.

Absolute truth

I wonder how many of the b-but tyranny crowd are too fat to actually fight.

Thank god those racist forefathers gave us a semi real bicameral legislative body. So we don't have to be subjected to irrational knee jerk nonsense you hold so dearly. God bless designed gridlock in Washington.

So you believe mentally ill people should have guns readily available to them?

> knee jerk nonsense

There have been over 250 mass shootings in America this year.

I was referring to the state legislatures. Ya know, the people that can amend the constitution. Just take a peek at a map. 2/3rds aren't going to vote to take away guns. Not gonna happen. Ever. What the coasts want, the coasts ain't gonna get.

The midwest is now the coast?

There have been more shootings in democratic cities in the past month than "mass shooters" will shoot all year. What does salon have to say about that?

I hate to break it to you, but dense urban populations will ultimately have more human to human interaction. Now, either dense cities are democratic havens filled with degeneracy, or there are more republican cities than democratic shitholes.

Pick one.

Which midwestern state legislature, combined with 32 other state legislatures, is voting to amend the constitution?
That's what I though

> I was referring to the state legislatures.

Like what happened in Connecticut after Sandy Hook?

That doesn't... did you miss the part about the 32 other state legislatures? user.

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Dense cities are, generally speaking, entirely democratic controlled. Democrat or Republican is really irrelevant to be honest.
More killings happen in dense cities, where Democrats have extremely tight gun regulations. These cities overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Have for a hundred years.
There obviously aren't more Republican run major cities. Anyone that thinks that is blind.

I love how republicans always turn mass tragedies into a 'nyah nyah but you' situation. America is full of retards and you all should have your guns removed.

It’s true, but most of the things Black Science Man cites are unintentional.

Shitty doctors and shitty drivers will always kill people by accident.

Stopping gun violence is entirely within the realm of possibility as seen in Australia.

Had a buyback type program. Grandfathering program etc. Its unfortunate for Connecticut and its citizens. Those laws will stop exactly ZERO gun violence and several of the largest gun production facilities have either moved or will be built elsewhere. Connecticut was one of the largest gun producing and importing states in the US. That's a lot of tax dollars that wont be there to feed hungry children. Good job Connecticut

good thing I bought all those guns and body armor a few years ago when the world wasnt yet completely kiked over

People like you should be shot and killed right now. And your families.

Can Trumpkins pls defend Trump saying we need to crack down on violent video games after the shooting?

I’m curious to see the mental gymnastics MAGA cunts can do with this

>Democrat or Republican is really irrelevant to be honest
So the mention of "democratic cities"... should be moot. But it says here that dense cities are generally controlled by democrats.

What is going on here. It's really irrelevant, but at the same time, it's because of the Democrats. The consolation here is that we've admitted that, no, there aren't more Republican-majority cities to establish that it very well is a problem of the Democrats... and not because it's a dense city.

Don't even know what to do about the Salon comment. I'm sure that's important.

You really want that gun, don't you.

I'm not a Republican. People like you, who perpetuate a fake dichotomy, are the problem.

> Those laws will stop exactly ZERO gun violence

Gun deaths in CT are down 20%.

With how many times you suggest that the D is responsible for everything, it's a fair assumption to make. You're not exactly painting this as anything other than a dichotomous problem.

It was an illustration that gun control in democratic cities does nothing, so pushing gun control elsewhere would do the same nothing. I wouldn't expect you to pick up on that

>there has never been an example of a people overthrowing a tyrannical regime

> From when to when? Source?

I've suggested that democratic gun reform has done jack shit and I'm thankful it cant reach beyond democratic borders.
To be clear, Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same shitty coin. I posted this earlier. You didnt read it.

>The entire purpose of the 2nd amendment it to ensure citizens of the United States never again falls to tyranny.

Except it isn't. The Second Amendment was created so that the states could form militias or armies because the federal government had no standing military. It is outdated simply because the federal government controls the entirety of the military.

The anti-tyranny argument is NRA/gun lobbyist/crackpot propaganda. You really think the U.S government, the most powerful military entity in the world, that leads the pack by a fucking landslide, is going be shy of enforcing a tyrannical government against a bunch of civilians with guns?

>Oh but I'm gonna save my country and my people just because I have a gun

Give people the illusion that they have power and they'll hold onto it for dear life.

> It was an illustration that gun control in democratic cities does nothing

It’s unrealistic to think that criminals won’t bring guns into cities in spite of local laws.

That’s one of the reasons that a staggering majority of Americans support universal bg checks. It’s all meaningless unless the entire country agrees to end this nonsense.

Make it harder to get guns in Ohio and Chicago will see a decline in gun violence.

Behold, the hyper-partisan. Dishonest in his ways.

They've put hundreds of pounds of fresh meat into my freezer, smoke house and into my kitchen, but never any people. Am I using them wrong?

You're not better than us. You're just lucky.

Yeah. Leftist school teachers sure value education. Like trying to murder people with a bike lock.

How bout required psyche visit before you are allowed to have a child?

You're right guntards. There's absolutely nothing that can possibly be done to deter this. Just more guns... to stop people who don't care if they live or die.

Those are gun free zones you lying Russian bot, people couldnt get guns into there, it says right on the door retard.

Huuurrrr why have speed limits if you can just speed? Hurrrrr

>You really think the U.S government, the most powerful military entity in the world, that leads the pack by a fucking landslide, is going be shy of enforcing a tyrannical government against a bunch of civilians with guns?

Yes. See Vietnam.

> is going be shy of enforcing a tyrannical government against a bunch of civilians with guns?

Bureau of Land Management vs Bundy Ranch.

Hand over your rights to the fed and lick the boots, cuck.

Nope. Federalist papers were very clear about this. Supreme court has a different opinion that you do.
The staggering majority of Democrats support ubi, yeah. Not the rest of the country. Thank goodness for that semi real bicameral legislature and the gridlock it purposefully inflicts so we dont have to be subjected to emotional nonsense.

I'm anti partisan. You just dont know how to read.

Ahem.

Abortion.

“If you look the homicide rate, I think it worked out that there were 92 gun homicides per year in Connecticut on average,” Pinciaro said. “Last year -- 2016 -- there were 53.”

That’s the lowest homicide rate ever, according to state data, and Connecticut has one of the lowest gun death rates in the nation.

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I don't really see much criticism of any Republican aspect here. Not much praise either, but according to all this, they're not as bad as the Democrats. Oh, and screw the slanted lying polling agencies. Amazing that most red states are moving in the other direction, however.

I don't think you could be more unconvincing if you suddenly decided to list off every single one of your grievances with policy, regardless of who's spearheading it.

And people like you are exactly why you'll never succeed in disarming the population.

What's this meme about drone strikes? Why would the government want to rule a country of bodies and not people? Absolutely braindead. Even if that was the case why would that be an argument for banning guns. Having no use? You have no use for a dick so we might as well cut it off too.

Why is everyone ignoring the fucked up documentary Op posted?

Holy shit!

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> People speed anyways.

I bet you break a law or two per day

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I'm in favor of abortion. There should be a planned parenthood on every corner. Margaret sanger was doing God's work.
Gun crime has been in steady decline in the entire country since the 90s...

>most of the red states are moving the other way
>Michigan went red for the first time in 40 years in 2016

This right here, somebody elect this guy he’s more based than any politician I’ve seen in awhile.

I'm sorry, but the highest court in the land says you dont have a clue what you're about.

Something something, thank goodness for that semi real bicameral legislature and the gridlock it purposefully inflicts, so we don't have to be subjected to emotional nonsense.

Abortion.

I'm just repeating what was said earlier.

Gun free zones prevent people from legally defending themselves against bad guys with guns
THATS WHY THEY ARE CHOSEN AS A PLACE TO KILL LOTS OF PEOPLE MY MASS SHOOTERS
it has nothing to do with speeding you dumb nigger

Sure I do. But I'm not retarded enough to suggest we don't have laws because they'll be broken. Are you? Don't answer that.

>implying you can't just buy a gun from the cartel
Where I am, drugs are illegal and I have plenty of contacts who have so many drugs that you can kill two entire footballteams with it.

It's like drm's in the gaming industry, it only hurts the honest people, not those who do not give a single fuck about what anyone says or does.

You can even build your own firearms if you are not a complete moron.
There is really no way to control such a mass of people. Maybe you catch one, maybe you catch a hundred. That's far from every smalltime gangster out there.

In the end, those crying for control and safety are putting themselves in a prison while everyone else still runs around druged up and armed, and you cannot do a single thing about it.

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What are you talking about? You cant speed, do you know what a LIMIT is? It means you cant go faster dipshit, its THE LAW, duh. You're not allowed to speed, it says right on the sign.

He's going to answer that because you told him not to.

Reps are just as crooked and play the same games. If you cant see that the majority of "mass media" and polling agencies are slanted "left", you're not paying attention or you're a liar.
On the gun issue alone. Generally, "Red" states have it more right than "blue" states.
I--big govt-------------------------------small govt--I
Dems and reps are on the same side. I dislike both of them for the same reason.

>prohibition totally worked guys. It didn't create a black market and tank the economy and lead to a ton of crime.

The opposite of exactly in reality. That was written after we gained independence from England who fought us with both soldiers(brought in) and militia (guys that fought that lived here). Afterwards we ensured both the rights to form our own as well as not being subject to its rule. No one wanted anyone to tell anyone how to live. Everyone being equally armed is the best way to ensure tyranny cannot grow unchecked. You ever wonder why al9ng with speech, arms and a handful of other things "not being forced to quarter soldiers" is part of freedom too. Militia would kick in your door and sleep in your bed because they had guns and numbers. You don't know how bad things can get. Fuck a disarmed world!

Smaller government is easier to keep in check. Gotta side with repubs there

Exactly, the economy never self stabilizes or resists forced change, we can totally just snip out a segment of it without consequence.

I'm just happy that the same people that vote for Democrats also kill their children in record numbers. Thank god. Now if we can just spread those 24 hour abortion centers to every corner of the country, we will be headed towards a better place.

Scope of government sure has diminished under "Republican" control hasn't it?
>sure
Please educate me. Which laws are Republicans passing that are broadening my scope of liberty? Please tell me which Republicans are voting to limit their own power? I'll wait.

The Supreme court and several constitutional law experts have looked at this issue. They disagree with you. I believe they have slightly more "authority" than your community college assistant professor.

> Which laws are Republicans passing that are broadening my scope of liberty?
>my

You’re not a multi-millionaire or a corporation.

What mental health issues would prevent someone from owning a firearm? I'm not American but considering moving to the states and would be interested in owning at least one gun some day.

>you cant see that the majority of "mass media" and polling agencies are slanted "left"
Have I ever made that idea known to you? Have I, "anyone", cast doubt on the idea of partisanship in the recent past? Surely someone aggrieved by what appears to be a myopic focus on "one side of the isle" would also know, for certain, that bias is a problem. No?

>Red" states have it more right than "blue" states
>I dislike both of them for the same reason
Red states have it more right than blue states regarding guns. Generally speaking. This is your opinion, or your observation. However, "red" and "blue" are on the same side.

One side has it right, yet both sides are the same. You dislike both sides for the same reason, but one side has it more right in your eyes. Checks out.

There's no fence-sitting requirement when it comes to not being a partisan. There are no sides if both sides are the same. There are people who take on labels. There are members of government, regardless of their party affiliation, that govern. What they do, irrespective of their party, should matter.

You dont find it the SLIGHTEST bit coincidental that Democrats, who champion taxing the rich to give to the poor are finance by the rich. You don't find it a SLIGHT bit coincidental that after all these years of "democratic" control the rich are still rich and the poor are still poor? Come on....
When the practical agenda of "both" parties is the same, you still cant see through the rhetorical agendas?

> What mental health issues would prevent someone from owning a firearm?

Arguing about gun control on a Vietnamese Ice Fishing imageboard.

I can't finish Part 2.

I keep pausing it and standing up out of my chair.

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> When the practical agenda of "both" parties is the same, you still cant see through the rhetorical agendas?

This is changing right now. Did you watch the debates? Centrism is dying.

I didnt say one side was right. I said, in quotations, alluding to the labels falsity, the red states have this one issue more right. Not right, more right. Republicans are voted in red states because they are slightly less to the left that the "left"
Democrats and Republicans are both pushing for the same thing, red states just happen to have better gun laws at the moment.

Has a single pro-gun person conceded a single thing that will actually help curb our GLARING gun problem? Something that didn't include MOAR GUNSSS!!!!

>the red states have this one issue more right
>Not right
>more right
When something is more x, it is more, x. You say they're not right... but that they're more right. So, they're right. At least when it comes to gun control laws.

You said, in plain text, the red or "red" states have this one issue more right. Democrats and Republicans can't be pushing for the same thing if the idea is that the Republicans are "more right" about how they address gun control laws.

Centrism has been dead for a long time. Both "sides" have been left of center for 80+ years and sliding. Your political spectrum is wrong.
You would say
I--dems-------------------------------------reps--I
When in reality its
I--big govt-------------------------------small govt--I
Dems, reps, socialists, communists (socialists), fascists, are all on the same side.
Beyond that, fiscal irresponsibility, deficit spending, debasing my currency, marriage of state and corporations are all common place on both "sides"
They are the same and they are both wrong.

What's the "glaring gun problem"?

Gun ownership doesn't correlate with crimerate. Certain cultures do, however.

> fiscal irresponsibility, deficit spending, debasing my currency, marriage of state and corporations are all common place on both "sides"
> They are the same and they are both wrong.

This is inarguably correct.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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Politics isn't right vs left its "I like money and power and fear my blackmailers... fuck you citizen".

No. Where did I say one side had fun laws correct? I didnt. I said one was less wrong than the other.
I'm against Democrats and Republicans because they're they same power hungry, fiscally irresponsible, cheating, lying politicians. When both parties debase my currency, and therefore my labor, the same, they are the same. I am a single issue voter. Dont debase my currency for your personal gain, I vote for you. Debase my currency for your personal gain, I dont vote for you. Simple as that.

What gun problem?

Alright, we have one for ethnic cleansing. Anyone else?

The problem isn't guns.

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Preach it.

I'll second

Did you drop something?

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What an intellectual rebuke, public school teach you that one?

Pfft. If this were true, it would be on the news every night. Everyone would know about it.

Don't you idiots have anything better to do than make up bullshit statistics to support your fucked up beliefs?

You mean this news?

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He thinks policitians have clean hands are are honest folks just because they promised him 1k a month.
He hasn't been paying attention very well.

Slippery slope arguments are bullshit. "If we let fags get married, pretty soon people will want to marry street signs and dogs and multiple people!"..."If we legalize weed then next thing you know we will have to legalize heroin and speed"!...."If we let people tear down confederate statues, pretty soon they will come for statues of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln". Pure, fear-based horseshit.

The 2nd Amendment was not about INDIVIDUALS fighting a corrupt GOVERNMENT. It was a measure designed to keep the Federal Government from disarming the States. Remember, at the time this country was founded, the power struggle was between States and the Federal Government. A weak federal government was creating a multitude of problems and the country was in danger of falling apart. The point in writing the constitution was to find a compromise between state sovereignty and very badly needed federal authority. The rights of individuals were largely irrelevant, and the Bill of Rights was an afterthought, added to the Constitution only after it had been ratified and adopted in order to address the crises that led to its being created in the first place.

The 2nd amendments application to individual defense and its purpose as a way for citizens to protect themselves against tyranny are modern interpretations adopted over time, as the culture and priorities of the country have changed. In cases of personal protection and home defense, this interpretation makes sense and is backed by Supreme Court rulings which interpret the 2nd amendment that way.

BUT, the idea that individual firearm ownership is a protection against a tyrannical government is pure bullshit. It's part gun marketing and part big boy fantasy and its so old that most people just accept it as gospel.

Armed Citizens present no concern for a tyrannical federal government. They have us all by the balls.

The news you watch is owned and operated by your enemies. It's sad that not only are you stupid enough to believe it, you defend your masters.
I genuinely feel bad for you.

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>Where did I say one side had fun laws correct

>On the gun issue alone
>Generally
>"Red" states have it more right than "blue" states
A synonym for right is correct. It's really not an inappropriate substitution, considering that more right is not 100% right in the context that you were providing. But, I don't at all see where you were misconstrued as saying, verbatim, that one side had gun laws correct.

You did say that one side had gun laws more right. Though, I noticed something else.

>democratic gun reform has done jack shit

>red states just happen to have better gun laws at the moment
So red states just happen to have better gun laws which beat the democratic gun reform, which has done jack shit.

Let's not happily change the topic to currency.

Jesus Christ how did you people get so far gone from reality?

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All those darn niggers shooting up elementary schools, movie theaters, and concerts? Oh wait.

Fortunately you're wrong and armed insurgencies have been overthrowing tyrants since the beginning of time.

>it would be on the news every night
You literally just said that whatever you say or do depends on what's on the news.

This is, among all the tool posts in this thread, takes the fucking cake. Congratulations.

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Dems are wrong, reps are less wrong on this one particular issue, for the time being.

>hurr durr the jews control everything!!1!!!
grow the fuck up and stop blaming all your problems on people who have nothing to do with it.

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Less wrong.

So... more right?

The currency in your bank account will buy you less today than it did yesterday. How did you become so blinded by your facebook and Twitter feeds. I bet you think the federal reserve is federal.

Power tool is an insult, right? If it's not, I'm going to start using it as one.

>people who have nothing to do with it
I'd even blame them if you were right, which you clearly aren't.

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Nope, just less wrong. Just like how orange juice and pineapple juice are both delicious. Pineapple juice being more delicious doesnt make orange juice taste bad. Still both delicious, one is just more delicious.

The idea that we can rise up and resist a tyrannical government is ridiculous on the face of it, and a product of a bygone age.

1. Resistance is futile. The government wants to kill you, your dead. They control the skies, the media, and our supply chains. You and your buddies little bitch rifles are a joke.

2. It will never come to that. This place runs on money. Money churned out by freedom. That kind of prosperity, no one wants to risk it. The government is so divided and filled with self-serving pricks they can barely pass a bill, they are not coming for us and making us bow down to the dear leader. Get real with that shit.

I don't think you know how English works? Or analogies? You just said that it was only less wrong, but in your analogy, a kind of juice is more delicious in of itself, and not dependent upon the taste of the other juice.

Is this bait?

He's not wrong. 99% of our politicians are grabbing what they can while they can... and they won't point out crooked policy because they themselves have already taken advantage, or their connections have. Senators can make mad bank if they have no scruples.

Currency, you mean.
This place runs on currency.
The difference between money and currency makes all the difference in the world. Unfortuenly you dont know the difference. Vast majority of regime changes in the 20th and 21st century were caused by small groups of individuals, not standing armies.
Most of those changed were done with currency, not swords.

Yea so the new tacticts to get your government in check is to deny the validity of its currency.
If the entire country would just stop using it there is nothing they could do except try to scare you back into the program.
Trying to shoot your way through is ridiculous as you say.

My trailer would be much bigger if it weren't for the Mexicans.

What does a division of the treasury department have to do with anything related to Op's post?

I understand that Democratic gun laws are wrong. Republican gun laws are wrong. They are both eventually or currently heading in the wrong direction, despite some red states making concessions today, as a symptom of the overall slide towards more centralized government facilitated by fiat currency and dissociation of legislation and public will. Argue semantics all you like. Vote for whichever dumbass party makes you feel good. You vote means nothing. My vote means nothing that's the moral of the story.

A group of civilians would never hold up against a tyrannical U.S. gov. Guns are pointless these days. Just for incels with Rambo fantasies.

Which division of the treasury dept controls or audits the unbridled creation of your currency? I was responding to an anons post about media, which was bought by controlling interests around the Wilson campaign. Coincidentally enough, the same folks running our private central bank at the time. Catch up.

>You and your buddies little bitch rifles are a joke.
A group of civilians would never hold up against a tyrannical U.S. gov. Guns are pointless these days. Just for incels with Rambo fantasies.
see You are wrong and stupid.

The Vietcong did it. It's called gorilla warfare.
>the Taliban have still not been defeated.

>gorilla

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>Has a single pro-gun person conceded a single thing that will actually help curb our GLARING gun problem? Something that didn't include MOAR GUNSSS!!!!
Just for the record.... the answer was no. Only "what problem" and "niggers". Zero solutions.

Again no evidence has come forward about school teachers all being leftist, only a claim that never got corroborated.

What the fuck, explain your analogy. Why are you now suddenly talking about the gun laws again? You haven't even cleared up why more right does not equal being right. I haven't even begun to lay into what exactly is wrong with that analogy, and it pains me to know that you likely just pulled it out of your ass.

Jesus. You are highlighting the exceptions for the red states while simultaneously suggesting they are both heading in the wrong direction- before even finishing the thought, suggesting one might get to the alleged destination faster. And you rationalize it all with currency. And now you accuse someone else of arguing semantics. Lordy lord, and then you say someone's vote means nothing, having previously promoting anti-government feelings and political wit while arguing that some of the cronies are, I assume, good people.

I would not take instruction from you if it meant getting a glass of water, I'd end up drinking arsenic.

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>be sane
>know chance of successful self-defense with gun is less than being struck by lightning
>not worth carrying heavy piece of metal around all day
>would get gun
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>be insane
>need gun because muh guverment
>do not get gun

Catch 22

The people that will that currency into existence have gone to great lengths to ensure that they dont catch up.

Quit harping on "the Left" all the fucking time. You sound like a brainwashed retard.

You want to bitch about how the left have taken over education? Are you fucking serious? Look at the retard factory education systems in the south. Let's take time out from STEM to talk about Jesus. Let's take money from public school budgets and give it to churches and at home parents. Lets literally rewrite our textbooks to support a softer view of American history, a "both sides" argument for the origin of the earth and our species, and let's be sure to push social and economic values into kids by cutting out information that doesn't support those ideas.

Let's just censor reality and only focus on the stuff that makes us feel good.

You have to be fucking kidding me, talking about progressive brainwashing in schools when this kind of shit is the order of the day in state after state. Why do conservatives project so fucking hard all the time? "I'm not racist, your racist!" "I'm not brainwashing my kids, your the one doing that!".

Wake up you pathetic dickless fuck, THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. They want you stupid and afraid so that you will do what they want and not make trouble. Work your shit job, keep your head down, stay away from higher education and all those dangerous new ideas. Keep going to church, keep to your own group, don't trust anybody because this country is full of bad, evil, people who just want to ruin everything.

No wonder you don't understand. You believe you are talking to one person while you don't.

Put purpose trained, well paid, commissioned officers in every school for starters. Take down those stupid gun free zone signs.
Why is every vault filled with green pieces of paper guarded by police and our children aren't?

>You believe you are talking to one person while you don't
Finish the sentence. Talking to multiple people does not preclude understanding, and frankly, I have the other posts there specifically because of the common thread that is
>currency
>currency
>currency
>currency
>muh currency
Christ alive.

Two kinds of animals on earth. Predator and prey. We found that we get more from exploitation than ingestion. I don't even hate them for getting theirs. They are being good animals, but bad people. We all have to be patient with evolution.

Are you retarded?
Why am I even asking..

I cant help that you cant keep up with overarching movements with minuscule tremors contained within. Both parties are wrong. I dont like either of them. That simple enough?

I bought a Remington 970 Variant when I turned 18 and it's still completely legal without a background check. Private sales laws are so loose in Texas, nothing substantial will ever happen here thank god.

Don't be a retard. Just use google. Do a search for failed armed insurgencies. And since the beginning of time? How old do you think guns are?

That's the whole point. The currency is the problem. Use money instead of currency and a lot of this stuff disappears.

So there are 2 anons mentioning currency at least 5 times whenever they reply to something? This overbearing emphasis on currency is random?

>I cant help that you cant keep up with overarching movements
>That simple enough
I, if not you, know that this isn't what was being said.

Fucking deus ex currency.

Because human life is inherently worthless. The rich and powerful understand this. The poor and powerless don't.

Coming from the people that think trans are sane.

Careful, the last few people with that idea have inexplicably been invaded, deposed or assassinated.

so the big question is, can trannies own guns? if you let trannies have guns, you can't tell anyone else they're too mentally unstable for them

Wouldn't a blanket statement for a whole group be inherently ignorant in concern to individuals? A test could sort out one from the other since it is impossible to speak for a crowd.

There's another vote for
>MOAR GUNS

>whole group
all trannies are mentally ill, faggot. you can not be sane and want to be someone else

Every place gets a "mascot" just like Japan. The big colorful happy suit hides the private security in full hard suit short range power armor. Every place gets a "mascot", kids love em.

Humans are all mental. Psychological homosapian = crazy monkey. There is a place for everyone. Some of those places are far apart for good reason. We all need to calm down and sort our collective shit. Its evolve or die and society moves faster than biology. I may not have a solution but hate isn't going to help. Fear and ignorance is overcoming rational thought lately. Just be patient with humanity. We are not done yet and no one knows where we are going. Unfortunately I agree having folks too confused to know if they boy or girl can't be good for the whole. So is being stuck in a black and white reality in a technicolor universe. Only fools are positive and a leader doesn't have to be right, only sure. It takes 100 years on average for common sense to sink in. Lets be patient with one another. Yeah?

>Psychological homosapian = crazy monkey
What?
>Its evolve or die and society moves faster than biology
Evolution isn't a conscious process.
>evolve or die
>Just be patient with humanity
What?
> a leader doesn't have to be right
If your leader jumps off a cliff with confidence, I hope you re-evaluate your leaders.

The modern state of American education

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Put my vote down for killing the nigs

I think that's the most important point. Dumbasses say that a well armed militia can't handle the US government, yet they are forgetting the times when a militia took down super powers i.e. Vietnam and Afghanistan.

You're a fucking joke. guerilla warfare has been proven to be able to handle super powers military.

>The entire purpose of the 2nd amendment it to ensure citizens of the United States never again falls to tyranny.

Yeah, about that...

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>the founding fathers wanted citizens to have the means to go to war against the state.

The funny thing is how weak this argument is now. The fuck is a bunch of hillbillies armed with semi auto rifles going to do against tanks, bombers and tactical nukes?

Pic related. How do you handle this when all you have is a semi auto AR-15?

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Also to add to this, when the 2nd amendment was signed any citizen could own literally all the same hardware available to the military at the time.

I don't think any late 1700s cannons will do much against a fucking Abrams.

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>all the same hardware available to the military
Exactly, that is the purpose of the amendment. This is why there is so much push against gun legislation. The gun owners have already capitulated time and time again, and proponents are honestly disingenuous in calling for "restrictions" at this point. Just be honest with everybody and say you only want the government, police, and organized crime to have firearms

You mean:
>The US created ISIS in the first place.

I get it. The world is scary. You need to feel like you have some kind of control over chaos by having the "correct" philosophy for living. That your argument is valid. Hate to break it to you but no one does and no one is. Everyone seams to have some good points but are being dicks about their tiny pieces of a big puzzle. Its all experimental. Especially in the US. Figuring out what works for now is the best we can hope for. Clinging to what was, is futile. We live in interesting times.

>a well-regulated militia

Guns are great. I like guns. I like the concept of protecting freedom, protecting yourself, and protecting your family.

But let’s have some regulations that make sense. People who are domestic abusers, have a criminal history, violet tendencies, or subscribe to hateful propaganda should be disallowed gun ownership because they’re dangerous in the hands of the unhinged.

Let’s make gun ownership at least as stringent as keeping a driver’s license as a starting point and see how that goes.

your understanding of the second amendment is completely inaccurate. consider suicide.

>The world is scary
>You need to feel like you have some kind of control over chaos by having the "correct" philosophy for living
>Hate to break it to you but no one does and no one is
This would include you. You're just spitting out a stream of consciousness fluffed with mysticism and folk understanding.

I tell you that evolution is not a conscious process, and in the midst of telling me that I'm afraid, you contradict your own hackneyed "wisdom" with more "wisdom". How you you reconcile no one having any clue, with figuring things out, and the futility of clinging to what was?

Idiot.

>military helicopter

your right,except those military helicopters are going to be used to get rid of you anti gun leftists instead.considering gun owners and republicans support the military

drones arent being used in america retard.god you gun grabbing morons use the most retarded examples

The only good /pol/nigger is a dead /pol/nigger.

>military helicopters going after unarmed civilians drinking soy in the comfort of their own home
>supporting the military means you get to keep your guns because (?)

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Embrace the chaos user. Its all carved in sillyputty. You get confidence from thinking you're right. I get confidence from knowing we are all still figuring things out.

>You get confidence from thinking you're right
>I get confidence from knowing
Idiot.

facts. cant have retards kids if you dont let the tards breed. theres more to it than that, but a start. my aut decided she was gonna pop xans while she was pregnant with my cousin. he came out barely able to fucking live on his own, diagnosed with asbergers around 12 years old, and steals womens clothes to keep himself warm.

Debate is proof that we still have to figure things out. I know this user. It's not a theory.

No one said that it was a theory. No one said anything that you are addressing.

It's entirely accurate. That is literally the purpose of the second amendment.

Yeah it's just ignore places like Hawaii stripping citizens of their guns rights because they also have a marijuana card.

How do you know our fore fathers didn’t anticipate high capacity magazines? That is such a bold statement. Our forefathers knew there was a time when we didn’t have guns. So it would be reasonable to believe that like everything around was changing, so would the functionality of guns. People like you are truly fucking stupid and would happily give away the one right that protects all rights.

Supreme Court disagrees with you and your liberal “educators.” To be cucked into retardation is truly a terrifying to witness

You say that like it’s something to be proud of. Since those seats got flipped, wtf has come out of Congress? Otho g but a bunch of estrogen filled rants about the president. The left has shown they don’t care about America. They care more about illegals, muslims, and free shit. Good work dumb ass, you have literally proved nothing

And I bet most of them came from Southern Cali and Chicago. What party rules over those places?

You know they had a mass shooting like 2 months ago right? Your shitty doctor, drivers but is fucking dumb. That can easily translate to there are just shitty people, so why fuck up something for everyone? At least Neil’s numbers prove that there are bigger killers out there, all which are caused in the hands of another person. You proved nothing you fucking moron

No when needed the militia is formed by ordinary citizens with their own weapons. It was assumed every adult male would already own and be trained in using a weapon. Just because you failed at learning a skill a man is expected to know doesn't change the meaning and intent of the 2nd.