Anybody knows what sword this could be? I found it near the Piave river (north Italy)...

Thanks for your help, i really didn't think to get a serious response! I'll contact an expert ASAP

I take back what I said about it maybe being Bolognese.

It might be spanish.

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Wouldn't expect anything less.

Eh, these "crab-claw" hilts appear in Iberian art a lot from the mid-15th C. (they also appear in the Netherlands, due to the Spanish influence there at that time.). I would've said bolognese sidesword, but the relatively broad fuller is indicative of an earlier date, and as such, likely a degree of Iberian influence - though these were very likely made in Bologna, and places like Brescia and Milan, too.

and yes, I'm falling back on my HEMA contacts, since my research is mostly in northern europe. I've handled museum swords in the UK, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, France, and a dozen other places, but Italy's one of the few I've not been to...

but Marco and Roberto both have contacts there I dont.

I'm not sure, you could ask it what it likes to be called...

Generally, look at "iberian crab-claw hilt sword" on google, and you'll see the later 16th C style examples. What's interesting of your example is that the blade is a bit wider, and has a fuller - a broad groove - which isnt a clear indicator, but is a hint that its an earlier example, 15th C instead of 16th - but that's only my gut instinct. I would urge you, get to a museum with it, and they can probably get better information on it, not least as iberian and italian arms aren't my field of research.

In that state the sword is basically worthless. You may get 20 bucks from some weirdo for it.

t. Hema bro who deals in antiques

>i really didn't think to get a serious response!

Honestly, this is almost the last thing I'd ever expect to spot on Yea Forums - not least, as I literally just opened an extra tab for a moment to see what daft shit was being posted today. you have good luck finding it, and even better luck in your time of posting stuff. 5 mins later, I'd have missed it.

probably a bit more than 20 - auctioned via Hermann-Historica or Czerny's, you might get 1-200 (euros) - but its certainly not worth thousands. its in way too decayed condition for that.

that said, its an unusual hilt type, so you might see it go for a little more, 250 or so.

Give us an update after you talk to an expert

and if you can, post it on forums like Myarmoury, Vikingsword, and r*ddit's "Swords" board, where it'll be posted for some time, so we can see it again, rather than by chance, please?

I'd very much like to follow this one up and hear what's said by the local museums there - professional interest, so to speak.

Probably i'll do it tomorrow.

Sure, thanks for the tips

Well memed, OP is now unironicly going to contact an expert and he will show him this piece of shit making him look like a fool.

Better he looks like an idiot than a historical artifact gets thrown away

Don't you think that sword is a little too far gone to be of any historic worth?

actually, there's a fair chance that most museum staff _are_ going to go "WTF is this rusty piece of shit?" in Italy. its a pretty narrow field of study, 30-40 of us worldwide who really study this to an academic level - and not many of those are Italian. I just hope that the basic staff have more initiative than some of the ones in my country.

Hopefully, he's not going to get turned away from them, as that hilt is quite unusual.

And honestly speaking, if its going to cost him to get it conserved by a museum conservation department, I (and plenty of people I know) would pay him 10-20 euros each on a crowdfunding site to ensure that sword gets proper preservation in exchange for some good clear photos and measurements of it, later on. That's where sites like myarmoury etc would come in handy.

Its completely fucked, in terms of preservation - sadly, lower half of the blade gone, pommel gone, its not going to be worth much - 1-200 euros is my best guess, and even that would be in a good auction site with a lot of collectors.

Its that hilt type, combined with the detailed find-place that is unusual ( OP, before I forget - while you can remember, write down exactly where and how you found it, and mark it on a map. if you can, go back and get photos of the location - that sort of thing is really valuable for archaeology and study.) - and that'll pique interest. if it were an Oakeshott XVIII, with a simple cross hilt, and no pommel in that condition, yes, it would probably be worth 20 euros as a curio. but the unusual hilt type means that its worth a little more interest than that.

Not a lot, but, a bit.

I found it near "Ponte di Piave". In that place me and my friends used to find WW1 stuff (like barbed wire pices)

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I saw something resembling this in a Conan movie. I think he just bashed it on a rock and all the rust fell off.

>Ponte di Piave
interesting - I would've assumed that it was more north-west part of italy, around Genoa or somewhere like that, given the hilt, till I looked at a map. Though you do see them in Venetian groups too - so its quite an interesting find.

I really hope that the museums in the region are good at responding to water finds like that. It would be an awful shame to see it not be preserved.

(I would offer to do a tannic soak conservation , but would you trust a random user on Yea Forums to conserve a 500-year old sword? I hope not.... mainly as I'm happy to conserve my own archaeological finds, but wouldnt dare do someone else's.)

Not "old" looks like 2ww cavalry sword. The short ones

This?

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perfect match.

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hihih heheh3h3h3h3h so fanni!

Im not OP but just because you are so funny I can come over with a sword and cut off your filthy spaghetti wop head

This is interdasting as fuck.

How did you find it OP? I wanted to try some magnet fishing in some of the old canals in my city, seems fun even if i didn't find anything though the sheer amount of foot traffic around those canals + ive never seen anyone else doing it makes me think id at-least find some cool lighters or something.

Anyone know shit about magnet fishing?

Judging from the tang or lack there of, it’s not. It’s part of a ship

>lack there of

Can you not see the tang?

It’s not even a full rat.

This.

It’s that

i mean what the fuck is there to know, other than put magnet on rope, throw rope in canal, pull rusty shit up. if you seriously want to find out more, and havent already, drasticg is a good channel for it, but that's probably how you discovered it anyway.

I looks like a steering rod from a 2017 Renault Koleos. Or a 2018.

witnessed

The Tetanus Slasher 9000

Fuckin spic kek

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check your local laws - it is illegal in a fair few places - the netherlands, for example - and restricted in places like France, Flanders and Walloon. Some laws in the UK too - have to comply by the same laws as metal detectorists.

World war 2 one.

Why is it illegal in the Netherlands?

Honestly it just occurred to me to try it the other day imagining all the shit that got dropped in over the years, haven't looked anything up yet ill watch the channel.

Id imagine its a case of knowing what might be worth taking home or cleaning up and what is definitely junk.

Holy shit thats crazy, i sold weed for a living for 8 years so in comparison getting caught with a rope and a magnet feels like a walk in the park.

My city has an absolute shitload of really old canals, loads by pubs aswel i figured people might have dropped shit in over the years.