Without craigslist m4mw section, how do you find couples willing to let you join their sex or at least watch in person?

Thanks for the info anons!

I'd be fine with even just watching a couple have sex. "Seeing" love through their mannerisms is almost as hot as the pornographic aspects. The "dream" would be something like pic related but I might not be ready for that level.

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I always find it kind of sad when women need to manually stimulate their clit to get off. Every women I was with needed to do that.

/soc/

I’m never going to be ready for that pic but love watching couples who are really into each other.

I’ve never had a “let me watch” situation that didn’t lead to letting me at least suck her toes and jerk off, and I always now get to eat her pussy and sometimes ass. And it’s surprising how many guys are ok with fluffing and more. I love this life, to the extent that I’m not really dating.

Are you stupid? The clit ha.. why even bother, queer.

I just mean it'd be nice if their arms could be doing something else, hence the oral stimulation by a third party as maybe attractive to the couple.

Just curious but are you /fit/? I've read things online that being a single male looking to participate is a saturated field so wondering how couples decide how to filter candidates.

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Swinger clubs, sex clubs, fetlife, etc

Got a few connections with local sex workers that invite me down with their husbands for covered gangbangs with other young guys (who could and should be doing porn with their approach) off the clock.

Swingers clubs are my preferred method. Lots of middle-aged people there. I'm in my early 20s with a bbc, but I get loads of action simply because I'm not afraid to put myself out there in the orgy rooms where too many other guys would rather sit on the side and tug. Generally two types of women you'd find: plastics or slampigs. (Honestly prefer the latter.)

That's the kicker: walking the walk. Met loads of interesting people over time and have a rapport with 10-12 regulars where we fuck every few days depending on which couple can host.

It's underrated even if more often they're tasting my load. 'Give some, take some' goes a long way in being seen as a fun playpartner.

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Yes, and kinda attractive I guess, in a softer, skinnier way. I dot thin I’d be as successful hooking up with couples if I weren’t. My cock is fairly average and super small when soft too, so I’m a non-threatening, kinda femme when necessary.

Yea I’ve had some guys be pretty free and easy with my load too, and even a few blowjobs from husbands, but it’s not as important to me. Being of service, getting off, and getting to cum on her and clean it off is my thing.

I guess typically if you're a lone guy the couple comes to you when things are settled? Seems like kind of a safety hazard to go into their environment at a numbers disadvantage.

here.

Not /fit/ but fit enough that I give the impression that I look after myself.
The most important thing to get through the door as a candidate is to be able to get hard, stay hard, and not cum until you're told to. That's literally it. Dick size has less to do with it rather than giving the illusion of a good time to everyone watching. (, my earlier orgy room comment etc)

You sound like a totally cool and humble one. Glad to hear that there's ones like you on the chan. The ones that are truly about all swinging frequently as an alternative lifestyle (like us and everyone in the thread) are some of the most open-minded and progressive people I know.

Joking or not, this is why we live this life and you don't.

Also the illusion of "maintaining a connection" and natural chemistry is an underrated aspect even when it's an anonymous body in a crowded room and you don't even know her name!

Always best to have a partner or someone to offer to the group/scene/play, unless you've built up a reputation. Always.

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You mean, unsafe for me? We always get to know each other really well, and by now we’re all part of a larger social web, can vouch for one another, etc. I’ve never felt unsafe.

>Joking or not, this is why we live this life and you don't.

What do you mean? I'd think being concerned about her pleasure would be part of that "life."

, here.

>We always get to know each other really well, and by now we’re all part of a larger social web, can vouch for one another, etc. I’ve never felt unsafe.
Yep yep! Possibly the most safest, consensual and rewarding community I've ever been a part of where people feel comfortable enough to express their sexuality and desires and wishes to people who also feel the same way. Probably explains why lots of the crowd are older -- simply because of the taboo and the repression of those ideas, bucking the trend of normal life, societal expectations, etc getting in the way.

...you'll figure things out one day.

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Did you "work" with "veteran" couples when starting off did you encounter fellow newbs?

Thanks for the kind words! And omg so true about being able to stay hard and not cumming until told and where.

Amen. I feel so great about being part of my circle. Even those with whom I’m not intimate we have a connection and bond.

You guys seem more bull than pure sub.

Ugh I want this kinda bad but I'm early 30s and a little chunky. I just want to explore my sub side with a cool couple

Personally the opposite. In my relationships the husband or bf is always the bull. I love that. I’m like an unmarried cuckold. I am confident though, and I think that helps me stay in play.

Well that can still happen. You just need to make the connections, the relationships, friendships, etc. it won’t just happen.

Nah, I'm just a dumb ghetto kid, I don't understand shit.

Please help.

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Veteran couples first.
It's humbling if your ego can handle being surrounded by other guys more knowledgeable and experienced than you. Over time, there's no better feeling than being considered good enough to service them as a go-to cock regularly.
So yeah veterans make up the majority of my encounters.

Others vouch for me to play with newbie couples at clubs, since I can reign in the more stunting/circus aspects veterans love in favor for a more intimate approach. This is fun in a completely different way since I get more reign in proceedings.

Succubi and subs really do make the world go around. We bulls just live in it, we're nothing without y''all. (still feel funny about that word, I just prefer stud but whatever haha)

Never stopped anyone before, in fact it's common as f. Just put in the effort and really commit yourself... put your beliefs to the proper test.

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>You just need to make the connections, the relationships, friendships, etc.
Yep-yep. All three are vital. That underlying trust to get the best out of each other, and the most honest and naked expressions.

OP here. Thanks for the info. I'm not really a sub "mentally" just sexually if that makes sense. I typically find people stupid and not worth following, but I can separate that from their sexual "power."

I guess another way of phrasing it is I think of submission as more like submitting to their love union, rather than either as individuals.

I know, I have a fet but I'm not as active as I should be

It being common is the problem, I feel I'm just so average

I wonder how race plays into it all? I'd think Asians would be more open to a white guy just like whites seem to like black guys. I guess it "separates" the couple of from the outsider.

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yes, share fag here. Me and main bae are mid 20s, both in shape and attractive. Used CL in the past but now Reddit local r4r to find and have strict rules of guy being fit, cute, and minimum 7" also not black or asian and you have no idea how many not anywhere close to meeting that still apply. I just block their accounts right away but its super annoying and I have to screen because she gets pissed off and looses her drive.

How white is your white requirement? Just curious because I'm a Med but still very European.

Also the penis length thing would exclude me, but I know a lot of guys measure like idiots, so does that factor in? Do you say "7" to get 6?

I'm pretty white but kinda shy and nerdy. I have experience in bdsm that helps but you know looks play a big role in the beginning

any white or latino is considered. she isnt attracted to asians and says all black guys have a certain odor down there even right after a shower so not her jam.

wont meet whout a face, body, and cock pic. if it looks like less than what they are claiming they get blocked. each posts gets over 100 messages easy so not going to waste time. if shes not attracted shes not down to fuck

Totally man. I get that, no confusion there.

Race has it's advantages with the kinds of women and hotwives that go out of their way to pair with me (helps that I've a massive thing for the white trash aesthetic, slampig and plastics.)

So I've heard ala horror stories of people that are way out of their depth or lack any sort of comprehension. Couldn't be any more of a libido killer for her, which especially sucks since that's what this lifestyle all hinges on.

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What about hair? As a hairy med I kind feel like that puts me at a disadvantage.

Do you as the guy have any requirements? Like you wouldn't want a guy too tall/short or whatever?

Kind of surprised to hear that Asians smell bad. As a single male looking to join a couple, I'd consider an Asian couple simply based off past Asian gfs who had very little natural scent.

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Glad you're having fun user. Women trying multiple men seems like their natural sexuality, kind of like how flowers get many types of pollen for their single ovum, many sperm for an egg, and the more genetic diversity probably enhances the whole thing.

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where you located? you can watch the wife and I

Really well said. A stud I’d be proud to be of service to.

About the only race thing I’ve noticed is that there are some women who are super into the “black bull” thing but that’s kind of a fad thing rn. There are all kinds of races and mixes going on. It’s great.

Sort of near Las Vegas. I'm going into town for Mr. Olympia in mid September so I'm trying to maximize personal fitness until then. Already have a lot of muscle, but need to cut some belly fat. Can't decide if I want to try and meet ladies in town looking for a muscly guy, or if I want to meet a couple to check off this sub/voyeur fantasy.

Thanks man.

You're right, it is a total fad thing. The mix of bodies/dicks in the room is what really sells it, with the main link being we all -really- like sex.

I see it as a return to a more pure sexual expression before jealousy and shitty negative feelings sullied that.

Are you familiar with Terrance McKenna? Your lifestyle sounds similar to what he described as the pre-religion "garden of eden" where people took psychedelic mushrooms and had ritual orgies.

My gf just got a fetlife to flirt and hopefully get fucked. But not sure how to drive more traffic to her profile.

That I have. I can't say that I'm wellversed to ramble at length, though psilocybin and mushrooms in general are totally my jam. (Groupfucking on them isn't half bad either if there's no expectation and its purely for fun.)

Know quite a few new-age types that are in this scene (esp. via fl) though. Maybe I'll hit 'em up to learn more over some coffee, who knows?

Lewds in abundance and project a can-do attitude in the biog. If you think its crossing-the-line or too saucy, upload it. People will come and filter through from there.

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I feel like I would need a mentor to bring me into those groups

OP here. Checking out and just want to gives thanks to all relevant posters for the great info and insight!

Anytime! It's an often-ignored underbelly that's not for everyone but is nevertheless fun to talk about and help others peek into.
Will be here for the next 2 hours or so to answer any more questions.

Very advisable. Good conduct, protocols, unwritten rules, etc.

I'm all about good conduct and rules. I'm trying to expand and practice my sub side