Do some Americans actually believe that Canada and the uk’s healthcare is free because it actually isn’t you just...

This really gets my noggin a joggin

but this is exactly what trump wants. so he has talked about it and intends to implement when libs aren't in control of the house

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They aren't affordable in the first place for most of the country user. Your idea is fucking dumb and played out

>BeCaUsE tHeY cAn'T CurReNtlY CroSs StAtE LiNEs tO dRIvE dOwN PrICe

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Because they can only compete within their own state, creating oligopolies. When you have literally hundreds competing at once, you saturate the market. Lesser companies will then be able compete by offering insurance with super small price tags, cornering the market for the poorer folks - just like how they make really expensive cars with tons of options, and they also make affordable economy cars. Sorry if you didn’t understand that, I know it’s a big concept to grasp.

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Not to mention the waiting lists, and if you’re over the age of 55 you’re basically fucked.

how?

If you’re at the age where you’re falling apart and you’re no longer planning to work, why would the government take care of you? Out of the kindness of their hearts?? It’s much less a burden on the state if they just let old folks die

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Why are you so obsessed with being a retard? It’s like you people pride yourselves on being idiots.

Yea, god forbid our taxes go towards helping our people rather than funding another corporate bailout. Fuck you

I find the cognitive dissonance of the modern socialist hilarious. On one hand, they understand that the government is responsible for the deaths of millions of people in foreign countries. However, they believe the government cares about their well being out of a sense of moral and social obligation.

Last time I went to the doctor for a routine checkup it cost me 300 dollars and that's with insurance.

Rather than paying insurance, which is a HUGE scam in the first place, I'd rather pay more on taxes so that I know I can go to the hospital for anything and not come out fucked in the ass in debt just because my insurance company decided that they don't cover the procedures.

I don’t think socialists care if the government cares for them or not - I think they’re just selfish greedy people who just want what they want and they don’t care how or where they get it from. These people would suck free chocolate pudding out of a pig’s ass as long as they were wearing a blindfold

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I’d rather be a retard than a retarded faggot

How about neither? Have you considered that option?

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the fuck you paying taxes for then you faggot?

It would take all of a year or two for insurance companies to merge and create national monopolies

private insurance will never be both profitable and affordable. op has never paid his own medical bills.

I had to get a hida scan a year ago. Before that I needed a few trips to my doctor, some blood work, and an ultra sound. How much do you think that would have cost me if I paid out of pocket? Or imagine if I had gallstones and my insurance found out?

The amount I paid in taxes didnt even come close to what the slew of tests would have been if it weren't for Canadian healthcare.

protip: health insurance in America is nigh useless. you still pay out of pocket everytime you step foot inside the doctor's office, even if he's just sniffing your farts.

if anything ever happens to me, i'm as good as dead because i refuse to go into medical debt.

Well yes, but you also get to wait forever... Also, can you imagine how much worse it would be here with all our fatties?

I have what passes for good insurance these days. I pay more for healthcare than I do for my mortgage.

And I had to wait 2 months to get an appointment with a neurologist.

I'll take the Canadian or UK system any day over this bullshit

I'm healthy, why do I have to pay 3 times as much taxes because you have shit genetics or are fat?

When you actually need the healthcare for like broken limbs and shit you gotta wait for 9 hours in the waiting room for all these fucking idiots who think they are dying every time they get a common cold.

No way your insurance sucks that bad, do you live in California? Fuck even when I didn't have insurance and paid cash dr visit was like $160.

Fuck that. I'll rack up 2 million in medical debt then declare bankruptcy. That's the American way.

This is a retarded argument. The wait isn't dependent on you being in line, you'd still get seen based on your goddamn emergency.

What you americunts dont get : Wr don't care about the actual costs... no, we actually don't have to care about the costs. THAT is what freedom feels like. When ever someone here gets sick, all he/she has to care about is getting well again! The costs for that are already cared for. And it works. You simply have no idea how it feels not to have to worry about medical costs. No one here thinks the way you do, all this "im not paying for others" bullshit. EVERYONE PAYS so that NO ONE has to worry about it.

You pathetic Trumptards will never experience this kind of freedom. I pity you!

It's not for everyone else. It's for you too, you dumbass.

It's like saying why are my taxes going to paying for firestations if my house has never caught on fire?

Because if something were to happen I want the peace of mind knowing that I won't have to be homeless you incel cuck

you have no idea how the emergency room works, do you

£1.36 a month of my tax goes to fund the NHS

We have a public system, it sucks, ask any veteran.

You ain't worth the money, sorry but young people need an MRI and other shit. Your dr just won't recommend it so it ain't covered.

>because the american system for veterans is better

ok guy

Triage exists. You're either willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid. Take your pick.

average wait for a specialist in Candad is 4-6 months (unless you are old, then double that)

the healthcare in America is a perfect reflection of this country.
complete financial ass fuckery at every turn that is 100% unavoidable.

this is simply not true though my guy

>Canada and the uk’s
As if Canada and the UK are the only alternatives.

I'll take the Australian or New Zealand systems that have a mix of public and private but also universal coverage.

Roads, police, fire, parks, foriegn trade negotiations, legal system, more...

>|designed for maximum profit
sure, but maximum profit also implies being able to make a profit at all, meaning that you have to offer competitive prices otherwise someone is just going to undercut you and reap all the profits. Compare this to generic drugs.

avoidable you mean?

Does that shit not help you or other people on some level???

I'm saying our "free" government health care sucks, and anyone using it will tell you the same, putting everyone on it will surely fix the problem though.

Sweet source, talk to a Canadian or use google.

"This year, Canadians could expect to wait 4.3 weeks for a computed tomography (CT) scan, 10.6 weeks for a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan, and 3.9 weeks for an ultrasound."

Don't get me started on the wait times.

That isn't a 4-6 month average.

>let's just trust that corrupt companies will do the right thing if we give them less regulation and let them expand
Why are you such corporate useful idiots? Jesus fucking christ. How do you not understand that giving corporations more freedom in a capitalist system, with less regulations, when they already have a centralized power (not limited to a state or two, you fucking twats) it will inevitable lead to MORE corruption and fucking over of the population

So you'd rather the American insurance process?

>I slip and fall, end up unconscious
>end up getting treated at hospital by doctors not in my network
>hospital stay: $100,000 for 4 nights
>generic drugs I can get at the store for $4 for $50 each
>procedure not covered by insurance, but necessary to save my life: $500,000
>food and other necessities: $10,000
>doctor outside network: $10,000

And within a year or two, through fusions and buyout you would be left with the same situation as with telecom providers: De-facto oligopolies between 3-4 major providers, sharing the map by states and working together to crush any new companies. Then, they would hike up the prices as high as needed to keep their shareholders happy.

It has been seen time and again: For service that is a necessity for a population (prisons, law enforcement, healthcare, public works) etc, profit driven companies are NEVER as cheap and are ALWAYS worse in service quality. Because no matter how high they hike up the price, the customers have no negotiating power.

4.3 weeks = 1 month
10.6 weeks = 2 n 1/2 months
3.9 weeks = less than a month

learn to math you fucking half baked retard

that's for basic same day shit in the US, again, specialist like a neurosurgeon is way longer.

ok

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So we can just make up numbers now? Ok, then I'd rather get it done and file bankruptcy then die in canada waiting 42 year (since we are again, apparently making up numbers)

again, that's basic shit we can get same day here in the US, god forbid you need a specialist or something crazy.

There is no wait time in Canada if it's an emergency. Are you on drugs? Why are you so stupid?

Do people genuinely believe that privatized healthcare leads to anything other than cutting expenses and maximizing profits?

So scared of being "fucked over" by someone else getting a bigger slice you'll readily lube yourself up for that lobby'd 12 incher.

The best part about this whole socialized medicine thing in the US is that it's going to absolutely EXPLODE the amount of prescription drugs on the streets...

What are you angry aboot? Simple answer to a simple question.

No. Democrats are retarded.

About 56 per cent of Canadians said it took longer than four weeks to see a specialist. The international average was about 36 per cent for a month-long wait time. We have the longest wait times for surgery, too.

No, this is somewhat close to numbers my dad got when he slipped and fell last winter. My mom and him are still working with the hospital and insurance trying to find a way to not have to go through bankrupcy

>they just default to universal healthcare because they’re not smart enough to come up with their own ideas.
They've been indoctrinated to believe that the only solution to a problem is government involvement. Expecting anything intelligent to come from their mouths is like expecting water not to be wet...

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That's still nowhere near a 4-6 month average like old mate was claiming.

If it's such an emergency then you wouldn't have to wait? It's not like everyones constantly in line at the ER.

>The corporations!
>The corporations!
>It's the corporations, you guys!
>The corporations that are so eeeeevil!

Grow up, kid.

>to see a specialist
Okay but was it an emergency or no? If not then fuck off with your useless data.

>They've been indoctrinated to believe that the only solution to a problem is government involvement.

As we all know, when govt. gets involved, prices immediately go down and efficiency goes up.

so the argument of how about taxes go to neither helping people nor companies is fucking retarded is what.

Taxes still pay for helping people in some level, so it's why I asked why even bother paying taxes if you don't want it to help anyone.

Why don't you actually learn what's going on in the world you dumb fucking piece of shit?

I'd think cancer or brain damage could be an emergency, but I guess what's a couple weeks?

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They certainly talked about it before Obama was elected, that I can tell you.
They used to have Doctors on the news nightly advocating for it.

>Because as well all know, when government doesn't regulate and allows corporations to do what they want, no corruption or corporate oligarchies ever results from that.
Kys if you actually believe this. Or at the very least shut the fuck up.

It's illegal, I would pick and choose to pay for services I personally use if I could.

Uh huh. Who is waiting weeks to get an emergency brain cancer operation in Canada? Gonna need citations

You just went full retard
Never go full retard

What part of depending on the severity and emergency of your condition, your wait time may vary do you not understand?

In the case you're describing, you'd get in same day too

Well, again, you do have longer waits for surgery, and also again, you have a longer wait for a specialist to see if you even need surgery or radiation or whatever, but people have cancer for years, so what's a few weeks gonna hurt.

see

we're not talking about the legality of it. We're talking about the usage of it. Why the fuck would you be required to pay taxes if it doesn't do anything but sit there? That's an authoritarian government kind of bullshit.

>corporations donate billions to charities
>high-level execs donate billions to charities
>corporations volunteer time and resources to help whenever necessary

But they're sooooo evil, right? All of them are run by literally a hybrid being that's half-Richard Nixon and half-Adolf Hitler....

Well... they are?

A corporation is by its nature the manifestation of human greed.

>longer waits for surgery
If it's an emergency you get priority as a patient though. Period. You're really grasping at straws while ignoring the fact that you dont have to wait if you have a medical emergency that needs immediate attention

got that backwards my guy

There systems would collapse if the USA wasn’t making all the advances in medicine and healthcare. USA is the inventors and innovators. The $80 pill in the us is $3 in Germany. They say it’s because we can afford to more. What if Germany had to pay the same price? Would it work as good? Doubt it

How are you this ignorant? Really its impressive the level of disconnect from reality you're demonstrating.

the amount of people who don't understand this literally baffles me

advances to medicine has nothing to do with insurance and healthcare. Medical research isn't funded with money siphoned in from insurance companies

I have brain cancer, I need it removed, if it takes longer to talk to a specialist, it takes longer to get it done. I live in the US, die in Canada. (But I die for free)

Itt: retards defending paying 150k for a minor surgery

In other words the us subsidizes government healthcare in foreign countries. It’s a fucked system, but only because we let the world leach off us.

Holy fucking shit.

Dude, if you had brain cancer and need it to be removed, you would see a specialist right away and have that shit removed. Why the fuck do you think you would have to wait?? The wait is for people who do not have life threatening emergencies. Priorities still given to those with life threatening emergencies

It won't take longer if it's an emergency, you fucking idiot. God damn why do you not get it?

imagine being this stupid

Well, I don't know i have it, i am still waiting to see a specialist :)

apparently you don't have brain cancer, your brain is just trying commit suicide because it understands its too stupid to grasp simple ideas

You have no argument. Just stop talking.

>(But I die for free)

No ones going to stop you dying pal. By that point it's all moot. Your family however have to payout. They are paying for brain cancer they don't have. What a time to be alive. Sucks your ill but noting but dying is free.

>for all citizens
Here in lays the problem.
It’s those god damn trannys. I don’t want them having shit. I’m not paying for some faggot to get his nuts chopped of and pumped full of hormones.
Other than that I’m all for a single payer system

No u

Sure it does. Sold insurance for 8 years. I understand insurance. If you want to address it as insurance and not a government entitlement here’s how to fix it. Remove state barriers and allow people to buy the insurance they want, that is tailored to their needs, from whoever they want. Remove the incentives for employers to secure your health insurance and give it to individuals. Improve medical tort laws to benefit the healthcare provider. If 150,000,000 people are shopping health insurance for themselves and they have a large variety of product to choose from the market will become very fluid. Fluid markets are competitive markets. Competitive markets are the most cost effective. Tort reform should lower the ridiculous premiums doctors are paying for malpractice insurance.

Autism with low IQ detected

>not joining the service
>not having Tri care
>not slaying all sorts of poon
>not going to the exchange and getting tax free dip and booze
>not using free tuition assistance for free MBA
Ishggydigyydoooo

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Youd still be paying less than what private insurance charges every year plus charges you every time you need to see a doctor, my dude. If your taxes went up by 10% and you no longer needed yo pay private insurance taxes, deductables and premiums, YOU WILL BE PAYING LESS OVERALL

1. Duh!
2. Medicare-for-all would shift money people and companies pay for heath insurance into Medicare-for-all.
3. The government would negotiate prices and hopefully model the VA. (I use the VA and it’s actually pretty good)
4. People without health insurance actually raise the cost of our current system b/c they use emergency services which are some of the most expensive. They could go to urgent care or an actual doctor instead. Saving billions.
5. Promoting a wellness program and adding fees or taxes to unhealthy life style choices should be added to help keep cost down and promote healthier living.
6. Corporations and the rich should actually pay their fair share.

I lived in Germany and the mandatory government-provided insurance (you can do private but thats even more expensive or so I was told) was expensive as hell. It's a fixed percentage of your income. Mine ended up being over 500 dollars a month, which is MUCH more than I pay in the US (if I pay at all - I have employer-provided now)

Yeah if I ended up going to the hospital it would have been worth it because a day in the hospital was something like 30 euro (I forget, something in that range) and every prescription is 5, but a system like that just feels like a huge ripoff if you aren't sick.

Here in the UK the NHS can cover those costs. I have a 20% income tax (Higher bracket) and I have to fork over £126 every month to the local council. I just haemorrhage money. If I stop paying I got to prison and ultimately lose everything I've worked so hard to achieve. If someone had told 5 year old me that when I'm older I get to pay for other peoples shitty life style choices, I'd have run out in to traffic.

I'm trying to run a business and there are the bottoms feeders that just cannot be arsed. I carry the rich and drag the poor. Please America, fight nationalised health care, it will just get abused.

That’s why we need a unhealthy lifestyle tax or a healthy lifestyle discount.

Not everyone wants to murder civilians for a career tho

thetimes.co.uk/article/record-numbers-dying-while-waiting-for-hospital-appointments-ndwpzz8lr

If I had a shit salary like you that might be true, but 10% of my salary is too goddamn high.

Insurance companies might pay in terms of taxes which goes into the national budget, which gets redistributed to NSF or NIH, but when it comes to most modern advances in medical and biomedical research, majority comes from grants from NIH and NSF. I do not know that insurance companies provide grants, but if they did, then sure, they provide some resource to research, but the vast majority still comes from the government

I'd be ok with that. I mean, if you just happen to get cancer you shouldn't necessarily have to pay more, but if you smoke/drink your entire life then you certainly should. Plus it might motivate people to get up off their ass and stop funneling in the fat if it saves them a few bucks.

That's not Canada / Canadian healthcare system. Aren't you getting tired moving that goalpost around everywhere?

Yeah ours is so cheap because of fat people.....fucking laughed. It’s all a scam to steal your money, hospitals charge everything waaaay higher than what it should be and insurance just pays it out. We all pay because the government is unwilling to stop the outrageous costs that are charged.

That’s pre diagnosis

The markets would do this if it was a true free market. Same as they do with life insurance. The problem with doing this is that it’s controlled by government. Government wants to be seen as standing up for the little guy. The poor are the unhealthiest demographic. It would be framed as government abusing poor people.

If every one paid there share and ever one worked there wouldn't be this issue. Yes there are jobs to go around. People are lazy though. That's why the system is breaking down, money doesn't appear out of thin air, people have to go out and earn it and that system only works when there are no oxygen thieves.

No I didnt say 10% of your salary. I said 10% increase in taxes. So whatever taxes you pay already, boost that by 10%. Its really not as much as you initially thought

20% is basic rate. Higher rate is 40% (for those earning £50k+). Also your council tax is cheap as fuck. You're presumably living in a shithole in a shit area. Stop complaining.

I'm 100% fine with hospitals scamming the shit out of insurance companies. It's just messed up that they turn around and do the same to us. They should have two sets of prices - one for insurance snakes, one for human beings.

Oh noooo, you mean I’m helping out my fellow man? What an outrage

I have no clue about Britain's healthcare system, so I know nothing about that shit from NHS

Yeah dude. Some of them are brown. Brown!

I'm not the faggot that you were arguing with but other user was talking about pre diagnosis. He repeatedly made that point.

yay a thread designed to further divide US/UK relations

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being part of our society should be a privilege, not a right. If someone isn't pulling their own weight, they should be left behind. How is it fair for someone to work hard their entire life, sometimes working two or more jobs just to get by and get precisely the same reward as a fat 30 year old neet who has never and will never do a thing with their life?

Come to daddy
Come to daddy
Come to daddy
I want your soul
>I NEED YOUR SOUL

see

20% because I had to be only so honest with myself assessment. £126 is cheap, I have family that pay £220. I remember when it was just £80. Let me guess, you don't pay anything?

I'd rather pay my 50 bucks a year than never be able to go to the hospital.

That's the real travesty here.

The VAST majority of advances in medicine are paid for by American consumers. Yes government grants are part of it, but I would be shocked if grants accounted for even 5% of research costs. Pharmaceutical companies reinvest earning into r&d. BILLIONS!!! Those earning come from American consumers. Europe and Canada are the charitys they support with below market pricing on drugs.

Imagine if the US wasn't constantly on the offensive and kept to themselves instead of invading everyone

i don't see why we should be such good friends anyway. It seems like only yesterday that the redcoats came to shoot our women and children because we spilled some of their precious tea in a pond or something.

70% of Americans are Christian, so yes, I'm sure there are plenty of Americans that believe other stupid things too

Holy shit OP I havent seen this picture since mods made it a thread background 7 or 8 years ago with some music blasting. What is it from?

the world isn't going to invade itself you know. It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.

If only the world were a big materialistic corporation run by white men then everything would be perfect

>Let me guess, you don't pay anything?

Yeah man. I spend your taxes down the offy as soon as the giro comes through. Cheers mate!

Yeah we took all your airports and then you took them back to keep 1800's airways clear of British Airways. Fucking flying tea rats REEEE-

I know right. The world would destroy itself in a couple years. Wars breaking out everywhere, minority peoples oppressed by larger counties, mass starvation, and world trade comes to a halt. Scary place. Glad I’m an American if that ever happens. We’d be the last safe place on earth.

£80/month here in London *shrug*

Council tax doesn’t go on NHS though so god knows why you think that’s relevant?

Medical publications are not paid for by consumers, America has the most publications by far, but thats just because its 1st world and has the most people. The UK proportionately is pretty close for the number of researchers in the UK compared to america.

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Aphex Twin?

I'll invade your bootyhole

Pre diagnosis but with a suspicion of brain cancer when things speed up. It’s the initial wait for a gp which can be slow but there are other routes if you’re concerned.

i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, but have it friend

>pay $800 in taxes, pay $400 in insurance
>Medicare for all implemented
>pay $900 in taxes, pay $0 in insurance
>WHY HAVE MY TAXES GONE UP, THIS LEAVES ME POORER

The absolute state of Americans

Spend it well. Or poorly, thats why you are poor. There is only so much I declare and there is so much more I don't. Enjoy being under the thumb of the system, I hope brexit doesn't affect your UC, your life line.

The suns shining user.

Canadian here. Can confirm our healthcare system is a lot better than yours. For instance, if I break my leg, I won't need to refinance my mortgage in order to afford a cast. How does that make you feel? You fucking ignorant, fat and unhealthy pieces of American shit are hilarious. America isn't and hasn't been #1 for a very long time. The only thing your country does better than any other country in the world is being complete and utter fucking useless wastes of oxygen. You're basically a 3rd world country in disguise. I hope you get a paper cut and go bankrupt cuz you can't afford the 2.6 million dollar bandaid your for-profit prison/healthcare system will provide you, cuck. But hey, I bet Israel has free healthcare too, thanks to you cucks.

>Council tax doesn’t go on NHS though so god knows why you think that’s relevant?

Re read your break down of costs letter.

Yeah, dude.

To be fair this thread was started specifically to bait the actually stupid burgers into fighting. The guy who started it probably isnt even american

you don't need to refinance your mortgage retard. You just pay a vet under the table to set it themselves and take some dog pills.

or just declare bankruptcy. It's one weird trick to get out of any bill, hospitals hate it!

Proportions mean nothing and I’m not sure what you mean by publications. I’m referring to who funds r&d on medicine, procedures, and technology. That is almost completely consumer funded by the us.

This is bad bait. I went to pick up a prescription that isnt covered by my insurance company (one of the biggest in major medical) and it was $400.

One script. You probably don't pay 400 in taxes for the full year Liam.

Kek I love when amerifats dictate stuff

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>unds r&d on medicine, procedures, and technology.
Someone doesnt know anything about medical research

Yeah, but I'm a Scot living in the US and most of these cretins unironically believe what I posted. Not real big fans of me pointing out the UK and Canada both have better life expectancies either.

No. It would only be perfect once all the darkies and jews have been exterminated.

user, what is the current year? In which year did you turn 18?

I'm in the USA and I go to a free clinic, purely donation based. I can see doctors and they even have a pharmacy where I don't have to pay for my meds.
People should worry more about crowd funding healthcare more than attempting to strong arm the money out of peoples taxes.

medical journals and publications are what drive/create innovation, thats where medical funding does dipshit

>I spend your taxes down the offy as soon as the giro comes through. Cheers mate

Imagine talking like this in a regular basis? Hah.

people like him don't care about the year on an "infographic". They think posting one just auto-wins the argument. just ignore him, he's beyond help

You mean during the first two years of his Presidency where Republicans had the House, Senate, and Presidency?

That's when he intends to implement it?

do you think in the last 5 years we suddenly started giving our council tax to the NHS or something? thats not how it works

>you just pay even more expensive taxes
as opposed to paying really expensive medical bills? pro-tip: don't be retarded

You think council tax has magically started going to the NHS in the last few years?

Searched then up and it's got their logo. Thanks. Guess I'll check them out cuz why not

>donating to your own charity to skirt paying taxes
>somehow altruistic
>okay.jpg

please do show me proof that UK council tax goes to the NHS? Im waiting

i don't even know what council tax is i just like calling retarded people retarded

I’m a cook

You’re right, but I do understand markets, insurance, free trade. I understand that for instance phizer makes a lot of money and reinvests a large portion to make new drugs to make more money on. I understand insurance better than anyone on this board. If you want to lower healthcare costs I already explained how to do it. Most of you are talking about government entitlements like that will be insurance. It will not be. And it will be significantly more expensive with a significantly worse product.

at least you're honest about being ignorant burger

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So you just feed the child killers then?

right, but thats not what we're arguing kek Stupid burgers always moving the goalposts.

The government have clearly stated in the past that they raise council tax in order to lower the grant they have to give to local councils in order to leave more money for them to spend on things such as the NHS.

Fuck me you're in for a good time, user. Enjoy!

Well I was polite to you. Dipshit? I bet you went to college with a condescending attitude like that. I would be willing to bet that the BILLIONS that American pharmaceuticals reinvest in improving products and creating new products have a larger impact than magazines.

This is not true at all, infact the NHS had a grant scheme where vunerable sick people paid less council tax. Stop making shit up

Ok, I get lost here sometimes. What is the argument then?

Imagine that sentence wasn't entirely made up and written for comedic effect... with admittedly rather meagre results.

Where do you think the pharmaceutical companies get the fucking research from you moron. Publications and journals.

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1565304/200-on-council-tax-to-pay-for-NHS.html

Jokes on you retard, they can already establish pools across state lines. Wanna know why they don't? It's better for profit much like how Cable providers don't compete.

lole
nukes printed from space
telstar3 mite be s.h.a.d.e.

No, I’d bet it’s done in their billion dollar labs. For the most part.

They can already compete across state lines. But they don't, gee I wonder why.

Also, probably most of the people writing in your magazines work for them.

Yea but if your with out work and down on your luck you still have it un like hear in the usa if you get sick and end up losing your job if lol if your work even gives you the option of healthcare after 6 months in general ..your completely screwed at least you get to see some of your tax dollars put to good use we're here we really don't know unless educated on that in general lol ps it all go's in some jews pockets and not to common people it's not fixing roads or bridges any more it's geting realy shity faster and faster

Two unrelated changes bundled together by the telegraph to help stoke the anger of their idiotic readership

God its so hard to tell who is OP trolling and who is just a really fucking delusional patriotic american in this thread.

Well that's me convinced. Thank you, user.

imagine being so abjectly ignorant of basic econ that you don't understand what the profit motive does to prices/quality, and so absolutely indoctrinated by the ruling elite that you think a coercive monopoly is the better option.

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Cultural Jews, religious jews, or people who happen to be ethnically jewish?

Jesus christ, at least we know you'll never be in research.

We'd likely have it if we weren't always sending all of you retards large sums of money to take care of whatever retard problems you might be having and stop letting all you guys rip us off in trade

hes right though, find any mention of it anywhere else or better yet any fucking goverment memo or funding updates that cover it, you cant.

>'Local Services'

I've looked for the letter and it's not in the pile, but the council pays for vulnerable adult care. The carers are either self employed and thats private care or... They get carers through the NHS. From shut in NEET's with 'autism' to dying old people, the council helps foot the bill. There is also support accommodation with live in carers. I'm all for giving money dying old people and people generally ill to the point they need care. But young people who can't behave? Or are 'vulnerable', no.

And you are? I mean you sound like you think you’re a pretty smart girl, but I’m not sure...

No, because the stuff companies still get to charge as much as they want for their drugs. Now that the only middleman providing a service is the US government, they're gonna do what any business does when dealing with the government: kack those prices even more.

Oh yeah, btw your plan as is doesn't involve someone that negotiates prices. In fact our laws are such that we pay what the drug company asks. So you can guess what the hot new position is for companies to buy off come election time. We really need to work on that before we do anything about your DMV style healthcare.

anyone who believes that socialized medicine works and will help Americans should look at the socialized medicine we have. It is called the VA. The program that is always needing more money never has enough Doctors has 3 month waiting period and has less then 2millino members yet is dysfunctional. And socialist think that the government can run a health care system with 300million or more in it. Fix the VA first then talk about more take over of the system.

No in the UK carer agencies are run by the council, no the NHS. Stop making shit up

You can get a medical lawyer to fight the price of the charges if you were forced to go to this hospital. Little known fact the libtards are hiding from you. Same thing happened to me with a car wreak bill was 35k hired lawyer and the car insurance paid the whole bill. Not a dime out of my pocket.

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You’ve sprinted off with the goalposts further than I can see now

>are run by the council, no the NHS

One and the same you retard. Who trains who? There's the methadone programme and so much more. Public money is NHS money. If you paid taxes you'd realise that. One day you will see the in justice of it all.

I concede. I just like to rack up the (You)s.

So now the NHS and the council are the same thing? Wow

I really don't know why they call it private health care because it's not private at all all these people rip you off and then go share and sell every bit of your information about your personal well-being to everybody else for more of their own personal gain there's nothing private about any of that

>be murcan
>19% gdp healthcare spend

>be Anglo masterrace
>9% gdp healthcare spend
>private healthcare competing with something you've already paid for

How are Americans this brainwashed?

Completely untrue, good job drowning in factual inaccuracy you stupid burger. I love how you're just bullshitting with such authority as well, you give Americans a bad name

Reminder that govt bootlickers caused the healthcare crisis, not capitalism.
youtu.be/IBFoC1gkExI

Also remember that being anti-capitalism/pro-socialism is the default position in modern western societies, and you are in NO WAY rebelling against anything with that Bernie bumper sticker.

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>car insurance paid the whole bill. Not a dime out of my pocket.
Did your car insurance go up the following year?

Yes? Are you aware of your surroundings, do you need help? I have a terminally ill family member, the people who care for him are NHS nurses. The totally disinterested teenagers that show up when we are not there are paid NHS money through a intermediary, the council agency.

So hows life on UC?

See this is why you really need to wrap your head around the fact that government regulation on private companies is a good thing. That's exactly how you stop corporations from fucking the government is you regulate the shit out of them with a Medicare for all system in the mean time. All these fucking idiots pushing for muh free market and no regulations is why wallstreet crashed the economy and got bailed out afterwards, while the average citizen takes all of the consequences. You want less regulation well that means corporations get to fuck everybody over, and they do always. Dont even give them the opportunity in the first place

Seething

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I think a huge part of this is the American mentality, encouraged by the majority of people there, that they are the best country, with the most freedom and the best resources, and anyone who says otherwise HAS to be lying because, land of the free, muhh presidenttt. Etc.

Hopefully that idealism will die out within the next two generations.

This is a bullshit talking point.

First, policy prices aren't fixed from an insurer. They're based on you and where you live. If health care and hospital costs are higher in your region than they are in another state, that won't change just because more insurance companies operate in your state. The costs to those companies to offer you a plan are higher, so your insurance premiums will still be higher than in a lower cost state.

The only thing 'allowing to sell across state lines' could mean us that individual states no longer have the right to regulate or out requirements on health insurers operating in their state; you would now put regulatory power of health insurers solely in federal hands.

The barrier and cost to insurers to operate in another state is largely the work and cost involved in setting up a provider network where the insurer has negotiated discounts. In this case, more insurers competing in your region means each has a smaller pool of customers which leaves them each with less negotiating power on average. Costs to insurers would actually be higher in average, which could leave us with many plan options that cost us more, not less.

Fucking this

No no, he's referring to the research done before the publication
Also I'm sure Albania and Greece are really pulling their weight.

Nurses and carers are completely different things. You have no clue what you're talking about, the NHS uses private nursing firms, and district nurses for homecare, not council carerers who have absolutely no qualifications, if what you were saying was true the NHS would have scandal after scandal.

sounds like his relative is getting a council carers package, not nursing care at all. Let him be all bitter and uniformed though.

Pay more taxes..pay less for everything else. Wow so unfair

the cost of Socialized medicine in San Francisco is 30000.00 per person enrolled according to NPR.

that is the cost of VA

I don't pay for anything as it is. I'm not going to pay more taxes. Fuck those people.

wasnt my insurance I was a passenger. Passenger protection.

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Everything was fine until Obama fucked everything up.

Happily pay more taxes and NI per week/month than get hit with a massive insurance bill that crippled me for the rest of my life, never heard a britbong have to decide between dying or paying their mortgage for a year or whatevs.

I guess you could pay an insurance premium per month which kind of equates to NI but unlike NI you get stung with a ridiculous excess upon use I imagine.

I think another part is there still so so much money laying around. I make less than average wage for an adult, and my x-ray was like $850, but I'm only taxed at like 20-25% so I had still had that laying around.

Not to mention our government sucks ass at providing services any more complicated and advanced than libraries. You ever been to a DMV here? Picture your worst Walmart, but instead all those people are playing musical chairs while waiting in line for their number. Nothing our government does is efficient or cost effective. I have zero faith they'll handle this any better.

In fact, I can't name one project they haven't fucked up.
America, love the country, hate the government.
Notice every time you ask someone why is 'murica #1, the only government thing we mention is the military and the moon landing (which btw NASA is a division of the Air Force anyway)

Never trust the government. They don't even deserve the power they have now.

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the cost of socialized medicine "VA" in San Francisco is 30000.00 per person. So ever person in the US from 1 hour old to 100 cost 30000.00 how much do you make that is more the I make.

No, it wasn't. People were sold plans that kicked you off if you ever got really sick (and expensive) and once you were kicked, you could never really get coverage again. Sick = dead or broke even more dramatically than it does today with the ACA requirements in place.

Actually wallstreet and the banks got lender happy giving loans to minority families who couldn't possibly pay that loan back because the government decided to come in and regulate the housing industry to move more minorities into nicer neighborhoods. It was an irresponsible risk they never would've taken otherwise, so they had to make it worth their time and extend these rates to other families.
This all started with government policy under Carter.

Just double the tax on Warren Buffet and Amazon

(jk jk, collectively together last year they both paid $0 in taxes. Aren't loophole ridden government policies great?)

VA patients are going to be at least as expensive than the average patient because of their background.

VA patients are going to be more expensive than average because they are older, on average, than the general population.

Providing care in San Francisco is going to be more expensive, on average, than providing care nationally since SF facilities and staff will be higher than average.

Health care spending in the US is already approaching $11,000 per capita.

Using VA SF costs to estimate national costs across the entire population is either deliberately deceitful or completely idiotic.

That has little to do with how wallstreet crashed our economy. That was a big part of the housing crisis though

Found the wagie

I'm sorry, which wallstreet crisis were we talking about?
I was taking about the one that started just as Bush jr was ending his 2nd term.
The housing crisis is the big domino that started the chain reaction.

You do go bankrupt paying taxes, though

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You have it wrong about what caused the crisis. Deregulation of the financial industry allowed banks to engage in the hedge fund market trading derivatives. They made good money selling mortgage derivatives which incentivized then to sell more mortgages to trade with which is what lead to the swelling of the subprime interest only mortgage market.

Deregulation of the market caused this, not some Carter era housing policy.

Pharmaceutical companies, not fucking insurance company - which is what I was arguing anyway

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>peoplewhodieonmedicalwaitinglists.png

because there are less people getting sick/injured when you pay for medical bills? What.

Id pay more money to ensure that when niggers shoot eachother they aren’t able to afford to be saved.
This whole, we’ll serve anyone that walks into an ER thing needs to go.
I’ll gladly pay more for insurance just to know that cocksuckers like you can’t afford to live.

No. But fewer people can afford treatment when you have to pay for it. So, the more poor people that die, the more doctors there are to go around for the rich people and so shorter waiting lists.

Win win for everybody! Well... except the poor, they're dead.

>slightly higher

yeah just skim over that inconvenient fact of a 60% tax rate if you make 6 figures in Canadia. But I am gussing 6 figures is a lot of money to a retard.

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Itt: OP doesn't understand how healthcare works. Complains with no information or understanding. Nice going OP keep being a retard least the state will pay for your care

No it's not you fucking idiot the companies will just merge and have the same monopoly over health care and insurance as with everything else.

tbh i think we should america do their own thing.

their views on gunlaws and healthcare only means there will be less americans around in the future.

Win-win

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Hey dumbass you are aware that your economy (if you’re in the first world) is directly tied to ours? And if we go belly up, you go belly up.
The reason why America will never collapse, and why that would be the worst thing for everyone, is that it’s not just going to be us that gets fucked up. Every other major country on earth will also fall apart, and Russia will fucking steamroll everyone.

you mean Personal Injury Protection coverage. that's only good in a car accident.

I most certainly do, that’s the wait time in the emergency room

when we say "free" we don't mean "costs no one anything ever", we mean "individuals aren't bearing the full brunt of corporatist greed on their wallets just for getting sick". It's way cheaper as a person and as a country to pay taxes and let the government say "no you can't charge 5 figures for something that costs you a total of a dollar in materials/labor/equipment" to an industry that shouldn't even BE an industry than to let multinationals run roughshod over the populous and let them suffer and die because the koch brothers want to beat the bezos high score.

that's not right at all. you get taxed for 33% of your income over $210,000. also learn what a marginal tax rate is.

>Goes to local store
>Goes to national chain
Which one is more expensive?
fucking idiots.