Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of mankind. Not one time

>schools, libraries and parks aren't socialist

How about fire departments? Public roads?

>I hate socialism that politicians tell me I won’t benefit from.

>I only support socialism a politician tells me is not socialism and that I will benefit

There I fixed it for you

you have an entire board for this kind of shitposting

>I can't possibly think of a decent reason to prop up and support the current form of government which is killing poor people while making the rich richer, so here is a picture of someone who wants to change that which makes them look unflattering

>this is my whole opinion

I was talking to a guy that recently went on vacation to a socialist country. He said after his experience he can't believe anyone would vote for socialism. It will never work.

>When we all vote to be poor everyone's happy.

The only parts of society that are working where I live are the socialized parts.

Not like Yea Forums, where THIS FUCKING CAPTCHA SUCKS BALLS. FUCK THIS, IM OUT.

Cant argue with that excellent high quality data point lol

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>owned by the community
This is great, and what large entity should we use to help regulate and maintain these "community" owned properties?

Cheap oil & gas, coal only exists as a fuel bc it’s socialized, agriculture in costs of production, distribution & liability. & all the light & strong materials and effective chemicals and millions of industrial processes used to produce everything in the last century from insulation that doesn’t burn all the hotels down every year to the development of the computer, programming languages, shitfucktins of engineering software, all the engineering and mathematics developed between WWII and the Cold War, + cars that don’t kill you in a 5mph crash to aircraft, holy fuck everything about aircraft, enabling cheap reliable air travel and fucking everything about it, the biggest military in the world and all the spoils of threatening the world with destruction unless we get what we want, literally socialism built the US. Before the massive socialist movements of early last century’s republicans and a few democrats, the US would still be what it was before. ...an impoverished agrarian burg not even significant enough to invite to WWI.

Defunding all these efforts in the 1980s to fund private get rich quick schemes so boomers could get rich has caused a 30 year stagnation in technology development. It’s easy to be impressed by your fuckin cellphone but you can add up all the innovation in the last 20 years after it tapered off, and it’s equivalent to about 2 years worth in the 1933-1980 socialization era.

>does not understand the definition of socialism

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A private corporation run by one Great Man who takes all the money and keeps it safe for us, who will be our Jesus, who we can all look up to and beg to spend our days toiling for as we groveling for his pocket change.

All that shit was socialized, then privatized.

lol

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Wonderful idea! But we'll have to pick someone completely infallible. Of course we can't let the less intelligent among us choose him. Perhaps it would be best if this were an internal decision made by the best and brightest who have made it to the top economic classes.

Comrade Putin wishes to warn you that this poor effort is "poison" to both our country and you.
More try!

We should not. It should be self regulated by the community unwilling to allow that shared ownership to lapse, which would have to come after a crisis point at which revolution would be the only solution. It has never been tried. If there is a state it is not communism/socialism, it is Statism, and if you had read and weren't insistent that everything statist is communist you'd understand that this is my whole point. The point being that you could amend the OP to read
>socialism has never been attempted in any country in the history of mankind. Not one time.
and it would be equally true. Statist governments creating a kind of 'political bourgeoisie' will never give way to communism/socialism. Revolution is the only way.

Look at those fucking eyes

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>implying Russia wouldn't support socialism
>actual liberal intellect

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Very good point. I'll own my half of the community, and keep it all. You know, since I have the most need. And since there isn't a larger entity to stop me cause everything is owned by the community. Then you can fuck off or be shot by one of my soldiers.

>government says “as a country, we should have these things, but private industry isn’t providing them bc companies are too fractured and competitive
>we will organize half a million engineers and fabricators and develop all the shit it takes to put man on the moon
>paid for by taxes
>modern world invented and built
>1980 Republican takeover by southern religitard confederate dumbfuck democrats:
>durr socialism never worked, defund it, gibs private companies ur intellectual property pls, we’re going to be a nation of salesmen selling the shit, not inventing anything
>making shit is for poor people
>also defund shop classes and ship all our MFG jerbs to Asia pls.
>Reagan & thatcher: ok sounds like a great plan.
>Briefly shakes up monies back into circulation
>money settles again into the new corners
>cascading effects

lol facilities paid for and operated by the people is literally a key concept in socialism

>libraries
>roads
>tap water
>calling the police for help
>public k-12 and community college

as much as I enjoy my salary, I wouldn't mind if human emphasis was placed on ability and merit instead of appearance and money

capitalism is incentive for brainlets to work, because something as arbitrary as instagram likes and bank numbers makes your pp hard

yeah yeah, I understand the argument. Thats what society is right now. Fuck you and your barbaric thinking though

hurhur me have shiny rock you dont me better

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No, pick someone who represents the dumbest, most belligerent idiot anyone’s ever had the displeasure of knowing, then just have him repeat the talking points from the hundred year old small dictators playbook.

>I alone can fix ur prolems
>I returning all duh power to u
>so a vote for me is really a vote for you
>and our political opponents are enemies
>not real Americans
>I require your loyalty
>anyone questioning me will be burned publicly
>f the country or its laws or constitution, let’s all do what I want instead
>attack the people
>attack the people
>what else should we do boss?
>attack the people

>I'm a retard and don't understand free association communism and think it's as simple as declaring myself leader.
I understand user but you are still wrong, and communism has still literally NEVER been attempted, only Statism using communism or socialism as an (incorrect) tagline.

In the example you gave, the community itself would deny you access to half of it, because you do not have any demonstrable need for it, because nobody has any need to have power over others in a free association commune, you would need to have an army bigger than the commune, because defense of the commune is part of giving what you are able. You are free to LEAVE or to PARTAKE. If you will do neither you no longer have a choice and would have to leave. The community would not willingly and freely support those who do not give according to their ability and receive according to their need. You can make arguments about this all you like, it has never existed nor so much as been attempted in the modern world.

You can't have one with out the other unless you leave it 100% to the community. If you do then eventually someone who is stronger/tougher/more cleaver will take. And they will build an empire. That's how you get warlords. It doesn't happen on day 1, but it does after long-term accumulation. Some people are just wired to take over as much of the world as they can and they will stop at nothing to dominate, and the average person will not stop them.

ty

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The average person doesn't have a clue about the power of collective action. This is why I fight for unions and other such collective action causes, to wake the people up. If enough people are aware of that power, then eventually the concept of a self regulating commune can possibly be realised, and any that arise from it trying to gain power may find the commune unwilling to give up their share of power again. Either way everything else that has been tried has resulted in exploitation, and misery for the majority, so it can't be much worse and it's never been tried, so if the time comes and the few are so rich and the many so downtrodden that they feel they MUST act, I'll act with them, and all my resources such as they are will be at their disposal.

You saying you can't have one without the other is a point from your ass in light of the fact is never happened before. You can't predict from a sample size of 0.

dubbs speaks truth

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It's basic common sense based on human behavior. If I'm smarter/stronger than you then I will accumulate more than you and dominate, and anyone that stands in my way will be flattened. I will form unions that will be positioned to believe whatever I tell them. They will be convinced that the "others" don't have their best interest in mind. That the "community" is poison and must be stopped. They will be begin a revolution in my name but believing it's for them.

socialism lifted millions of people out of poverty in the past century in brasil [1]

socialism transformed two agrarian societies into world powers, both times in the span of a single generation [2]

Meanwhile in the most dominant and wealthy capitalist country that has ever existed, the mortality rate is increasing and median individual wealth has declined to the point that half the population now has negative assets (they have greater debt than assets) [3]

[1] forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/09/12/a-look-at-brazils-poverty-rate-after-14-years-of-workers-party-rule/#79adb4cd7703

[2] Mao's communist party seized power in 1949, over 35 years the economy grew at 10%/year and agriculture by 3%/year, the mortality rate from famines and droughts was reduced by 44%. I'm running out of space for the USSR stats, but the story is similar.

[3]abcnews.go.com/Health/death-rates-increasing-us-adults-aged-25-44/story?id=64507786
businessinsider.com/bottom-half-of-americans-negative-net-worth-2019-5

Are you suggesting that the fire dept, bridges and roads are considered to be part of socialism? You cannot be this retarded

everyone already is poor, most are just too proud to admit it

The Scandinavian countries apply it intelligently and successfully. No government system works when spied 100% but I don't think any politician is pushing 100% socialism.

your argument is literally just "we live in a society"

it's not deep thought to point out that a government has to fucking exist to implement a system

If you make more than 31K a year, then you are in the 1% of the world. Having running water, electricity, and a computer with access to the worlds information makes you better off than 99.99% of all people that have ever lived.

So you believe based on 0 empirical points of data and wishy washy 'I know how humans work' unsubstantiated bullshit. You cannot understand how people will behave in a given situation without prior examples of people on that situation. You have none of those because it has never been attempted.

Keep trying to argue from nothing though.

Source?

You assume, based on 0 data.

Nobody has tried it, nor anything similar, so nobody can say with any certainty how people will behave or if a government is necessary. My argument is that nobody has tried Socialism or Communism, which isn't really an argument so much as it is a FACT.

wow

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There is a TON of evidence out there. People have already showed you how they act in areas with little to no governmental authority. Perhaps your IQ is too low to see the patterns of history.

You either need an overarching governmental authority, or you will end up with warlords.

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How is it not? By common use definitions these are socialist agencies as taxes are used for public services. Now extend this concept to health care where the government doesn't necessarily run it, but regulates it and pays the regulated costs from a tax pool.

With this fallacy, the bums in the US are richer than most people in the world.

>People have already showed you how they act in areas with little to no governmental authority
But not in areas with no authority but a massive commune in its place.

Statism

Scandinavia.

Check mate Ya'll Qaeda.

Not socialist. I get it though, Google is hard and your emotions...

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Large communes turn into mini-dictatorships over time. It's why none last more than a generation or two.

Go back to redddit you cringe boomer faggot

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How are they any less socialist than what the democrats are proposing? A stupid picture and a belligerent statement are not an adequate arguement.

>But not in areas with no authority but a massive commune in its place.
Fucking kek dude. Open your eyes.

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There is a common misconception that roads, libraries, police, fire protection and other services provided through government are instances of socialism. Instead, they are examples of public goods or common goods; everyone may use them, they may be used by several people simultaneously, and, for the most part, are non-rivalrous in that use by one person does not diminish supply for another. The claim that the existence of government services means we are enjoying socialism is false. Just because it is government doesn’t make it socialist.

Keep moving that goal post tranny

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It's been run by a primarily socialist democratic government for the last 70 odd years, varying between the independent countries.

Googling? It's called 30 years firsthand experience and knowledge as a native.

But yeah I googled that the american president went ahead and power drilled under aged girls together with his best bud Epstein, yay the power of the interwebz!

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>ITT: Ppl that either failed Econ or never took an Econ class and is easily manipulated by someone’s misinterpretation of socialism

Neither of you have any data, because they have never been tried. You are fighting against a thing that has never been tried by citing things that have never happened as evidence. You BELIEVE it will turn out badly but you cannot find a single source of evidence for your claims. All I have done is pointed out the FACT it has never been tried and the FACT you have no examples, therefore, from which to draw, and you're either getting salty or repeating an already defeated argument. You can claim
>Large communes turn into mini-dictatorships over time
But since there has never been a free association commune on that scale you are literally talking out of your ass.

And what you're calling "socialism" over the pond would still count as conservatistic over here, your political spectrum is so badly skewed to the right the terms are non-applicable. You don't have a left side party, for instance.

So sure, while you make the distinction that democratic socialism is different to socialism. AOC amongst other's vision doesn't even meet the bar of democratic socialism, much less socialism straight off.

I'll give you a head start with them goalposts btw, get to running!

So why the furor over government run and /or regulated healthcare in the US?

It is absolutely not an example of common goods. It is however an example of Statism which commonly gets mistaken for the concept of communism which has never been attempted in reality.

>neither of you have any data
Not those 2, however, there’s lots of data out there if you carded to look yourself to prove that this led to dictatorship and failing of socialist economies. There’s about 20+ countries listed on several sites. Go research before you try to belittle others

>statism
Just stop

No. It hasn't.

Exactly!!! The American right label everything that is a social program they don’t like as communism as it is.

See -> There is so much evidence out there for how humans behave in situations where a larger authority is not a threat.

Fully Male, straight, Christian, Senior NCO in the US Army and registered Republican. I just wanted you to make a real arguement, instead you're lashing out with childish insults and wild claims with no supporting facts. You are everything wrong with the Republican party. Maybe if you keep it up Trump will let you lick Putin's leftover jizz off of his face.

What's supposed to be wrong with this picture?

you know what is sad …. I have a android phone and my feed is all AOC and it will not let me stop seeing items from AOC like I can other items... keep pushing your agenda google

People will always fear government involvement. This is how America came to be in the first place. People will fear change and the unknown when someone believes that doing just one thing will all of a sudden make a problem disappear

Socialism would work fine if people were honest and not greedy, but that aint never gonna happen.

So would capitalism

He's trolling

Socialism will work in a closed small population system of reasonably affluent white people with existing commerce and infrastructure.

OP has been BTFO'd

Stop what, being objectively and difinitively correct?

Self titled socialist economies which were in fact, objectively, by definition, not socialist.

I challenge you to find me a single example of an economy that was in fact socialist (i.e. where productive property was controlled by the community as a whole).

I will never stop reminding people of the objective fact that no socialist economy has existed in the modern world.

See

>For the intellectually inferior: schools, libraries and parks aren't socialist. Neither is Canada.

Cool, then the shit we're asking for isn't socialist either and you can all shut up about it.