The Racebaiting Uppity Negress got BTFOd last night

And there’s a lot of people, including myself, that are ok with that.

Good for you?

>Seething

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It happen last nite.

Shit man. I miss so much by watching the debate instead of being online

What did she say to earn their support?

Only one who can beat Trump is Bernie

user is saying that because the outsider candidate who wouldn’t be a federal reserve bank bitchboy smacked down and shit on his precious spastic communist race baiter

That was probably true in the 2016 election, but I doubt that's the case now.

Wait so Russia supports the anti-communist now? I am so lost.

Bernie can’t be beat Trump. But I would love to see that debate. Too crazy dat old men yelling at each other.

*fat

This has been an attack meme on her from neo democrats since she met with bashir al assad. Her position on non intervention in 2016 undermined hillary clinton, israeli interests, and the industrial military complex.

Yes. It is good for me. I made more last year in a very feast-or-famine business, am slated to make even more this year, my healthcare costs went down 50%, and my stock portfolio is at almost 30% growth this year alone.

t. just learned what RINO means and now uses it incessantly

Nobody likes a hypocrite, you simpleton.

I am proud of you?

Bernie appeals to the same anti-establishment, blue collar workers that Trump does. In the 2016 primary Bernie won the states that later carried Trump to victory in the general election

The best would be trump and LSD lady debating. That Marianne Williamson or whatever her name is lol

I prefer a hypocrite who supports my beliefs over an honest person who doesn’t, troglodyte

That too. But that’s a whole other story. That’s two people who have no idea what they are talking about just babbling for an hour. Full of sound bites.

free gibs

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Oh I get that. I just don’t think many people would vote for a person who self identifies as a socialist. He can win democrats with that rhetoric but not independents.

The meme production from it would be overwhelming

>my socialism is better than your socialism!

still better then trump

No shit faggot. If you perceived your government as greedy sociopathic pedophiles you'd be fucking pissed too.

political cartoons are for people too stupid to handle the nuances of a real debate. they're nothing but manipulative propaganda

Thank you, that’s very nice.

So let’s give those greedy shitty pedophiles more power and money via Bernie Sanders/elizabeth warrens government philosophy

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For the rest of us who live in the real world who have seen our taxes go up, the stock market take major dives, and prices and goods increase, it’s not such a good thing.

>I support people not ideas!!!

Or you could just not vote for politicians that are known pedophiles. It's not that hard unless you're in Alabama voting for Roy Moore of course

What if my choice is to vote for Biden or Trump?

The dems are far worse. Look at Pizzagate.

Yea look at that meme that was a massive troll

biden

Yes because taxing wallstreet is such a bad fucking policy right? And eliminating premiums and deductables and private taxes charged by private insurance companies is totally going to ruin your life... by saving you and the country money. Jesus christ you have no idea what Bernie even wants. You just eat up strawmanning propaganda that hes a socialist and your brain shuts off from there. You're a fucking NPC my dude

wow

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>The absolute state of smoothbrains who actually still believe this shit

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Lol, trigger me timbers. I’ll get you a tampon to wipe up with. The less the government controls and is in charge of, the safer we all are and the world is

winner of free gibs 2020
youtube.com/watch?v=XA3b-omI5mE

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SLEEPY JOE IS GOING TO WIN

Paid trolls

she's half poo

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You don’t pay much attention if you just found out what RINO means. Underage faggot.

Not a liberal douchenozzle, I just recognize a NY lifelong Dem shitbag when I see one.

She's an anchor baby. Born to a Jamaican father and Indian mother. Both noncitizen college students. She's not a legal citizen in that case either. How can she run for president. Lol. She's not even African American.

OH yea. She race baits but in her father lineage Her ancestors owned slaves. Lmfao!

This. Maybe someone will hack the DNC again so we can learn about their efforts to stop her if it comes to that. Which sucks b/c I think Gabbard has a good head on her shoulders. I think she's insanely hot too.

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>Both noncitizen college students. She's not a legal citizen in that case either.
so both her parents are valuable additions to our country and she's a citizen if she was born in the US. i don't even like Copmala but this attack is vapid. go after her awful record as a prosecutor who laughed at the idea of legal weed when her republican opponent was for it, knowingly kept an innocent man in jail over misfiled paperwork, and put parents in jail over their kids skipping school

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everything bernie says is common sense practical centrism in modern first world countries. every economic policy he advocates is tried and tested in countries with better standards of living than Murkhastan. but yeah treating citizens like human beings and not wasting trillions turning middle eastern shitholes into middle eastern shitholes with different bosses is sooooo loony

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i like gabbard overall but she just voted for a (nonbinding) condemnation of BDS. not a good sign

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ah, so you're a parasite who wants the economy to be broken overall so you specifically can benefit (although medicare for all would reduce your healthcare costs even more). hopefully your feast and famine business is still doing fine during the inevitable burst of the bubble

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Yeah, in the defence of free speech.

the government coming out against BDS isn't pro free speech retard, it's agin it

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nice use of racebaiting considering you first heard that term last week

that's a funny way of depicting working class citizens getting something back for their money instead of funneling it all to the military industrial complex and big pharma. methinks you might hate working class whites who don't want to go bankrupt when a medical emergency arises

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even she would crush trump, let alone bernie. she curbstomped dave rubin lol. she can actually make a good point when she's not using her planeteer heart ring

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Am I the only one?

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More like mamala harris

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Tulsi can beat him easily.

Keep sucking, chud. We're going to forcibly replace every single one of you.

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obama is a corporatist warmonger just like trump. cucks have no place trying to troll other cucks

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We should investigate her and all around her for the next three years for any and all crimes . Can't have this collusion, TV man told me it's bad.

What world you living in? Taxes went down, my stock gains are up over 20% just this year, don't see prices going up except for fast food since they raised the minimum wage. We have people leaving in droves because there are lots of jobs out there.

she faked a hate crime to pass and anti lynching bill

she got where shew is is by fucking a married man 30 years her senior

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Well, no. The Dems have a lot of nothing. They still think that racism and equal rights are burning issues that will give them the win. They're in for a huge surprise - 2016 all over again...

taxes went down for the rich and large corporations permanently, whereas for the working class they go up 10 years after the bill passed. cuck. also those taxes are going to explode people and sand in other countries and not to infrastructure, health care, environmental management, anything that would make them a sound investment. but then again conservatives really do not understand the concept of getting a return on investment, unless they're rich. then sabotaging the country for their own short term gains is the only thing they care about

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kek, i love how incel trumptards thinks black people are "racebaiting" because they dare to exist. triggering your racism is not racebaiting.

>They still think that racism and equal rights are burning issues that will give them the win.
well the blatantly evident racism in the criminal justice system actually is something that matters to the liberal base, which didn't turn out for hillary because she focused on trump's edgy rhetoric rather than concrete issues. and the equal rights of the working class, of all races, to go to college and have healthcare is something that matters to everyone who isn't rich.

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So you admit that I was right , call me a cuck , change the subject. You didn't call me Vlad, trumptard, or Hitler though, so we have that.

You have the right to go to college and get healthcare. You don't have the right to make others pay for it.

If Trump wins he'll have coattails and drag the Senate with him.

You need to be over 18 to post here. Get out

You have the right to drive on roads and have working sewer systems... you just don't have the right to make others pay for it.

You see how stupid that sounds?

Taken to its logical conclusion, your ideas would have us back in a Hobbesian state of nature.

Get your head out of your ass.

Sorry, the Dems have lost touch with reality, and so apparently have you. Free college and healthcare are not going to happen. It's simply not feasible. Racism does not have the impact like it did in the Obama years. People are comfortable now in the good economy and are hesitant to rock the boat.

>taxes for the working class go up in the bill i like while they stay low for the rich
>you admit i was right
this is what cuckoldry is, cuck

>those who aren't rich don't have the right to healthcare and education

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>Free college and healthcare are not going to happen. It's simply not feasible.
>pretending first world countries don't exist

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>Racism does not have the impact like it did in the Obama years.
blacks getting more arrests and higher sentences for the same offenses as whites has the exact same impact it did 4 years ago

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>People are comfortable now in the good economy and are hesitant to rock the boat.
the majority of americans can't afford a 500 dollar emergency and live paycheck to paycheck. they can't afford healthcare or college. their infrastructure is continuing to crumble despite trump's lies that he'll do something about it. their taxes are instead being poured into the sand of the middle east. your worldview is invalid

I do not have the right to free sewer, or free roads. I pay vehicle taxes for the roads and city sewer taxes for the sewer. When you grow up you will have to pay these too. My employer pays and I pay for my healthcare. None of those do I have a right to. You are confused as to what your rights are in this country.

Still can't get together a cohesive argument do you change what I said to fit the deranged narrative in your head.

What world are you living in? Minimum wage didn't go up, it's still $7.25.

taxes pay for public defenders too retard. they are free at the point of service. with a progressive tax policy the tax burden is proportional to the ability to pay, so the rich and large corporations pay their fair share to fund these rights. you're the one who's confused.

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You're forgetting one thing. Her terrible isolationist foreign policy.

>Still can't get together a cohesive argument do you change what I said to fit the deranged narrative in your head.
that's fine, just tell lies and run away from the truth. trump's tax bill raises taxes on the poor overall while lowering them on the rich permanently

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>You're forgetting one thing. Her terrible isolationist foreign policy.
her policy of not wasting trillions in taxes making middle eastern shitholes into middle eastern shitholes with different bosses, that the vast majority of americans are for. even trump on the campaign trail correctly pointed out we need to end foreign wars and stop supporting saudi arabia, who promote wahabi jihadism and support al qaeda. he's gone back on that since, you know, he's cucking his supporters

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So you don't even know that every state has a different min wage and your debating min wage on this esteemed cartoon image board? I know your world must be mom's basement.

>contributing to society
>not demanding anything for free
>parasite

Imagine being this retarded and still having the balls to speak on issues.

Also, medicare for all would ban employers from providing insurance for their employees. Meaning people who WERE getting free healthcare as a benefit of their job would now have to pay for it in taxes. It would cost most people MORE.

Can't argue when you guys shift the argument and can just resort to stupid name-calling. I have no problem with universal healthcare. I do have a problem when you guys want to frame it as a right. And don't start on the moral right bullshit.

>advocating the economy be rigged to help the rich and hurt the poor
>demanding police, military, roads, etc etc etc for "free" aka paid by taxes

yeah dude, your very worldview is parasitic. and yes, people who WERE getting healthcare from their employers and having their wages suppressed as recompense will now have higher quality health coverage that doesn't profit from denying care or charging fees and copays, or spend your money on advertising and lobbying. it would cost most people less, this is a fact. saying it would cost most people more is a straight up lie.

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>Can't argue when you guys shift the argument and can just resort to stupid name-calling
the argument wasn't shifted, i pointed out facts that undermine your talking points. calling you names isn't something that's resorted to when it's in addition to an argument that you're afraid to address, it's just normal speech. you. retard. and that's fine if you have a problem with healthcare actually being provided, not just being available to the wealthy, being a human right. most people disagree with you though.

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On it's own, that would be fine, but she refuses to condemn, or even aknowledge that Assad tortured and murdered his own people. She dodges the question every time, and tries to spin it into her just "wanting to keep Americans safe".

It's not wrong for a politician to meet with evil people and try to make things right. It is wrong to stick your head in the sand and pretend they're not doing anything wrong. Especially when you're trying to take the most powerful office in the free world.

See, he says his is facts, you say yours are facts, how bout Congress get off there ass and have a congressional study on what the real facts are? But no, we need to investigate orange man some more. Obama had a chance to go for universal healthcare and instead gave us a clusterfuck. Why didn't they go all out?

Your feelings are not facts. There is no such thing as human rights.

lies. she has sad assad is a bad guy and whatnot. she just doesn't jump through the hoops every single instance when a corporate media shill wants her to spread support for a war against one particular dictator (when the US supports more than they condemn) as justification for an invasive war against them. and she also hasn't pretended to know that things that are alleged against assad with no evidence (like chemical gas attacks) are facts like the warmongers do. you don't have to like dictators to not want to go to war with them

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i mean i guess congress could do a study proving what's already been proven. koch brothers funded a study to prove how costly medicare for all is and despite the libertarian leanings of the study it STILL showed it would cost individuals and the country less (though the savings would be higher according to other studies not trying to prove the opposite). and obama is a corporatist backstabber who started with the middle ground position, public option, then immediately caved to romneycare. i'm a genuine liberal not a dems good gop bad hack, so yeah fuck obama

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Just to be clear, I'm not >police, military, etc.
Yes, the government has a responsibility to protect and uphold the rights spelled out in the constitution. Healthcare isn't one of them, nor is higher wages.

>economy be rigged to help the rich and hurt the poor
Actually, you're the one who wants it rigged. Perhaps in a noble fashion, to help the less fortunate, but rigged nonetheless. I'd like to see it made fair and even, and not punish those fortunate enough to have an advantage. Hierarchies will always exist, and we're only banging our heads into walls trying to force them out of existence. That being said, it is essential that a hierarchy is a climbable one, so it makes sense to have some regulation.

>wages suppressed
So you think corporations are now going to raise everyone's wages to compensate? That's questionable, at best.

>higher quality health coverage
Nope. Not even close. If you're dying of cancer, your single best chance of surviving is to come the US and use privatized medicine.

>Your feelings are not facts. There is no such thing as human rights.
so you're just giving up the argument then lol. by any sane definition of rights which includes not being tortured, having a working sewage system, and having a fire department, healthcare is a human right according to most americans

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No, she hasn't. Find me a clip of her directly condemning his actions. Again, I'm not saying she has to endorse a war, but she does have a responsibility to call him out, as do all politicians.

>no evidence
That's just silly.

>no such thing as human rights

Delusional. Please don't reproduce.

Also, that picture makes my peepee hard. Just thought I'd let you know.

>Yes, the government has a responsibility to protect and uphold the rights spelled out in the constitution. Healthcare isn't one of them, nor is higher wages.
well life and the pursuit of happiness are in the declaration of independence to be fair, but i never said they're in the bill of rights. people in this country recognize the fact that people have a right to not die of cancer due to poverty

>Actually, you're the one who wants it rigged. Perhaps in a noble fashion, to help the less fortunate, but rigged nonetheless. I'd like to see it made fair and even, and not punish those fortunate enough to have an advantage. Hierarchies will always exist, and we're only banging our heads into walls trying to force them out of existence. That being said, it is essential that a hierarchy is a climbable one, so it makes sense to have some regulation.

there's no such thing as a free market, ever. all markets are rigged by someone for some purpose. yes, i want it rigged to be fair. like in capitalist scandinavian countries where you can still be rich and successful without being a parasite. i'm for bernie, who isn't advocating anarcho-communism or whatever strawman you're attacking

>So you think corporations are now going to raise everyone's wages to compensate? That's questionable, at best.
well yes, when people don't have to keep horrible jobs just to not die when they lose their health coverage employers will have to pay them more to get people to actually work for them. and union jobs also won't have healthcare as one benefit that offsets how high of wages they can fight for

>Nope. Not even close. If you're dying of cancer, your single best chance of surviving is to come the US and use privatized medicine.
nobody denies the US has top tier health CARE if you're rich. the issue is that the lack of health COVERAGE and how private insurance profits from denying coverage and charging fees and copays means people who aren't rich don't actually get the healthcare

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>If you're dying of cancer
It is well established that nations with universal healthcare have a greater life expectancy than America, so if you are dying of literally anything else (like most people will, cancer is NOT the number one cause of death literally ANYWHERE) then your best chance is living somewhere you don't have to balance your health concerns against your wallet.

>but she does have a responsibility to call him out, as do all politicians.
no, she really doesn't have a responsibility to call out assad for the half of things he's accused of which he's actually guilty of doing, since nobody thinks it's her responsibility to call out every single other dictator and authoritarian leader in the world
youtu.be/4ZNKK_91RVU

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sauce?

I think what is meant is it's too broad. #notallisraelites

... and you think the Dems are going to somehow solve these problems? Idealistic dreams are all you have. How do we pay for free college and free healthcare? You don't know and neither does the left.

I'd vote for her if she posted some decent nudes.

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>people have a right not to die of cancer due to poverty
I disagree. Nobody has a right to not die from some natural cause. They have a right to not be murdered, they have a right not to be GIVEN cancer (by a negligent employer, for instance). But if you smoke, and you get lung cancer, you have no right to demand someone else pay for your treatment.

>no such thing as a free market
And you'll notice I said that some regulation is necessary. I'm a libertarian, not an AnCap.

>higher wages
Perhaps, but I think that's an oversimplification. People don't just stay at jobs for healthcare. I mean, certainly that's a factor, and there are probably some people for whom it's the primary factor, but it's definitely not the only thing at play.

>Nobody denies that the US has top tier health care
Which is no coincidence. Profits drive progress. There's a reason medical advancements don't come from universal healthcare systems very often. If you can't patent a new treatment, and sell it to the highest bidder, why do it? Karma points? Not a motivation that the elites are likely to take.

Not saying that's a good thing, by the way. But that's the way it is.

>... and you think the Dems are going to somehow solve these problems? Idealistic dreams are all you have. How do we pay for free college and free healthcare? You don't know and neither does the left.
why are you pretending that these problems are ingrained in the fabric of reality and not consequences of the choices of american politicians? other countries have higher standards of living than us because they have these and other like policies. it's not magic pie in the sky dreams, it's basic common sense. you pay for social programs with taxes

it's not like israel is going to starve, they have billions of american tax dollars they can spend on keeping themselves afloat instead of illegally occupying another country while they legislate away their apartheid and imperialism

i wish

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>higher life expectancy

That's true, but I think you're mistaking correlation for causation in this case. There are TONS of more factors that play into longevity than your healthcare. Obesity, drug abuse, lack of exercise, overworking, there are lots of things that Americans do to shorten their lifespan that don't have anything to do with a lack of medical treatment.

>I disagree. Nobody has a right to not die from some natural cause.
i disagree. everybody has the right to not die from something that's entirely preventable and not their fault. maybe you can make the case that smokers deserve to die i guess, but getting brain or bone cancer isn't a choice anyone ever made

>Perhaps, but I think that's an oversimplification. People don't just stay at jobs for healthcare. I mean, certainly that's a factor, and there are probably some people for whom it's the primary factor, but it's definitely not the only thing at play.
another thing at play is that unions and employers take healthcare costs into account when determining pay. remove that cost and pay goes up with no extra cost to them

>If you can't patent a new treatment, and sell it to the highest bidder, why do it? Karma points? Not a motivation that the elites are likely to take.
universities advance science for the purpose of advancing science, and the government can fund R and D in any field they choose. private pharmaceutical companies will still exist btw, they just won't be able to charge 30,000 dollars on a necessary life saving pill that they can still profit off of by charging 30 bucks on. no candidate is advancing public health care, just public health insurance. the government pays private companies and hospitals and such to take care of you

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Other countries have 20% VAT (sales tax) to pay for social programs. Think how a 20% sales tax would eat up your meager pay check.

In September 2009, a Harvard Medical School study found that a "lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States," The New York Times reported.

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people in those countries still have more money in their pocket even after taxes because their medical needs are taken care of and their wages are fair. hacky talking point

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>nobody thinks it's her responsibility

Unless she's running for president.

Also, that clip shows her promising to condemn him, not actually doing it. Kind of a difference. It's been proven that it was the Syrian government, led by Assad. Now she still side-steps the issue. I won't be voting for her.

And none of them correlate as closely as the availability of healthcare to all. It's almost like if everyone has access to healthcare without having to avoid it because of money people's general health is better.

Correlation does not equal causation, but one thing correlating more closely than any other metric does IMPLY causation, as in this case. Even countries with their own obesity problems but universal healthcare have markedly higher life expectancy.

I know you want to think that the market can make everything better but all the market will EVER do is help a few people get richer and everyone else have to spend more with every passing year on surviving. Sorry but at least making healthcare AVAILABLE to all without removing private healthcare can do fucking amazing things to job market mobility. I believe it was you or someone like you earlier who said there will always be heirarchies but they must be climbable, the availability of healthcare to all VASTLY improves the climbability of the employment heirarchy.

>It's been proven that it was the Syrian government, led by Assad.
citation needed. also why aren't you calling for every single candidate to denounce every single dictator, not just the ones who the military industrial complex and fossil fuel companies see huge profits in invading?

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>without removing private healthcare

See, that's a plan I can support. But half of the candidates are supporting a bill that would ban employers from providing healthcare. That's the part I disagree with. I don't think there's anything wrong with covering people who have no other option, but taking away that option and forcing people onto government coverage is wrong.

And yes, I was the one who said the hierarchy thing.

Kek, he can't even compete against pocahontas.

Yeah, I'm sure you looked into it. You live in a strange world where what you think seemingly becomes reality. It doesn't.

"Free" healtchare in the UK costs each person over $5200 per year. They are raising personal taxes next year an additional $2200, to pay for the "free" healthcare. So $7400 on average. Your average person goes to the dr twice a year, typically for things that can be treated at an urgent care for $20 a visit.

So people want to 'save' $40 and are willing to spend $7500 to do it. Those people, are stupid.

Was chance would have it, I had emergency surgery 2 days ago. It cost $30k. I have private insurance, costs $190/month. My out of pocket for a trip to the ER, apendectomy and 2 days in the hospital, $325. If I had "free" healtchare it would have cost thousands more. And the only thing I would have gained is not having to pay $325 out of pocket, because I'd paid that several times over already.

This math is not hard. If you refuse to do it, you're stupid.

Pretty much every country that has socialized medicine has been looking for a way to stop offering it for years, because it's bankrupting them. Feel free to Google it.

I will keep my insurance, thank you very much.

>but taking away that option and forcing people onto government coverage is wrong.
literally zero people care about having a private insurance company. they care about keeping their doctor and hospital and actually getting surgeries and procedures actually covered, not denied or charged copays like private insurance is designed to do. supplemental health insurance is still allowed however, for unnecessary things like plastic surgery. nobody will complain that Humana isn't making money off of your health when their actual healthcare quality is greatly improved and their wages rise due to reduced cost to employers and unions

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Well then we just disagree on that. I understand where you're coming from though.

>with no extra cost to them
Except the raise in taxes, you mean.

>universities advance science for the purpose of advancing science
But that's not the only place where progress is made. Private companies that stand to make a buck are motivated to spend money on that research.

>the government pays private companies and hospitals
The point is, if they're the only buyer in the market, they basically set the price at whatever they like. If the profits aren't good enough, investors go elsewhere.

sad and weak response, but yeah it's a fact

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What does BTFOd mean?

pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/04/show-me-the-evidence-did-assad-really-carry-out-th.html

If you read the whole thing, and still aren't convinced, then fair enough. We just disagree.

Also, I DO think they all should, if they're asked about it. The only reason people are asking her is because she involved herself with it in the first place.

BTFO

Blow/Blown The Fuck Out

It's used to emphasize an extraordinary or embarrassing defeat, especially in a sports or a political argument.

i think i found it, slut's name is Luna C and scene is called "she princess"

Blown The Fuck Outd

>Go to CNN.com

>Mouth with half a thousand teeth found.

Christ that's disgusting.

And I can't believe they blame that on climate change.

It's obvious India is a shithole country where children sift through toxic garbage and that's what's fucking up their genes.

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People DO care about wait times, and outcomes, though. Both of which are measurably better in a privatized system.

>healthcare quality is greatly improved
Big ol' nope on that one.

Wait, nevermind, the climate sentence is from a different article. So I was right, it IS because India is a shithole country.

Where on CNN.com did you find the full debate?

All I find are snippets.

kek
>the planet is warming, therefore teeth

But seriously pajeets, get it together.

Looks like she forgot to bring her Kneepads.

Not that user, but all it took was a quick google search.

cnn.com/2019/08/01/app-news-section/watch-full-cnn-democratic-debate-day-two/index.html

I've always hated that bitch.

Source for figures please. That doesn't sound accurate. Considering the total tax bill of the average UK worker is around $13,365, that would indicate that 55% or so goes on healthcare. That is not at all close to how much of the UK tax expenditure by percentage is spent on healthcare.

>Both of which are measurably better
One is. Outcomes not so much. Again more people survive for longer in countries where healthcare is available ubiquitously, and the healthcare is the factor that most closely correlates across all comparable nations.

You do realize that the middle class bailed out Wallstreet and the auto industry in 2008, right?

People pay into taxes for social security and retirement, and now they're trying to take that away from people because the used the money for something else.

Well wait times are kind of a big deal when you're dealing with things like aggressive cancer.

>healthcare is the factor that most closely correlates
Can you provide some kind of source for that? Not saying you're lying, but I'd like to see the numbers for myself.

I'm just denying your positive claim that outcomes are better in privatised countries. You provided no evidence of that, only a claim about cancer outcomes which make up a tiny fraction of all outcomes and is thus irrelevant.

In summary, you first.

>Lies
What lies? Wtf are you talking about? Bernie has told nothing but the truth.

We ALREADY HAVE SOCIALISM. Because Wallstreet was bailed out and we all paid for it.

>Globalism
There's nothing wrong with being more globally connected. It helps us by trying to be competitive instead of dumping tariffs on everything and only hurting ourselves.

>Open Border
We don't WANT open borders, we just don't want to waste money on a wall that doesn't really reduce crime. Terrorism is mostly done by white males, not Mexicans.

>Gun Control
Yes, we do want gun control, because at some point, it's going to be your kid that will get shot up at a school. And when that happens, there's no way you'll have ever wanted anything else.

>Tyranny
Have you seen Trump lately? Who the fuck is the fucking Tyrant? Bernie? No way! Trump is the one wanting military parades and lies constantly.

>Censorship
Give me a fucking break. It's Republicans who would not allow women to breastfeed in public. Democrats don't care.

>Bigger Government
Yep. Because you realize that if it ISN'T bigger government, it will just be BIGGER CORPORATIONS. And they'll run and rig everything against the average man.

>Tax slavery
We already have tax slavery for the middle class after the huge tax cuts that were given to the top 1%

>Voter Fraud
What fucking voter fraud? Are you talking about gerrymandering? Because that's what the fucking Republicans are doing. Districts that clearly should be Democratic are redrawn so that Republican votes count more than Democratic votes. That, in essence, is voter fraud right there.

Take your shitty poster and go back to whatever shithole southern state you came from.

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yeah i'm sure wait times are great for the wealthy since the poor aren't ahead of them in line due to greater need.

thank you

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Dogfart always though that was a fucking weird name for a porno

>Well wait times are kind of a big deal when you're dealing with things like aggressive cancer.
people with life threatening conditions are prioritized over people who, say, need a hip replacement. care is distributed according to need, not wealth

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Are we Kween posting?

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>I'm just denying your positive claim
No, you're reiterating a point that you made previously. Hence your use of the word "again".

That point being: Healthcare has a higher correlation to longevity than lifestyle.

I was simply asking you to provide your source for that information.

But fine, I have no problem defending my position.
forbes.com/sites/physiciansfoundation/2018/04/09/u-s-health-outcomes-compared-to-other-countries-are-misleading/#1051d3261232

>inb4 forbes isn't trustworthy

She's not even a real American nigger. Her mom is a dothead & her dad is a Jamaican mulatto.

> hey
>at least Assange and Epstein are behind bars and not running for office...

I will vote for any candidate that defends my right to racemix with black queens

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>She's not even a real American nigger. Her mom is a dothead & her dad is a Jamaican mulatto.
so you mean she's not a native american, unlike you eh Swift Coyote? or you mean she's not descended from slaves?

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That's not the evidence I was asking for. I don't question that there's a positive correlation. I'm asking for evidence that it's a more significant correlation than things like lifestyle, suicide, murders, accidents, and other reasons for average longevity to be decreased.

That's called triage, and it's done in privatized systems as well.

i'll show you how stupid i are

lol, will the democratic party even let him get more then a whiff of kamila's/AOC's farts before jewing him out of the nomination again?

>wealthy
I'm not rich, and I have better coverage than I would get in a single payer system. I also don't pay anything for my coverage, other than a small deductible.

That being said, I literally work for an insurance company. lol

First of all, the size of the nation is not relevant when the comparative GDP of America could easily handle the strain of socialised healthcare. An additional point of irrelevance is that the studies all use per capita values and some of them are SIGNIFICANTLY better. The article also neglects one very big and very important factor in American Healthcare: lack of traleatment.

America's statistics are dogged by the ghost of treatments that never were, people who have died of wholly treatable conditions that they did not get treated due to the financial implications are NOT included in America's data for outcomes because for an outcome you need a treatment.

In short, people who don't get treated at all make America look even worse than it already is and the Forbes article seriously overplays the difficulty of managing healthcare at a national level, without any data to back that point up, only opinion.

Meanwhile, you made the point about outcomes being better before I ever made a point that they aren't, which you just conceded, by the way, with that article, which clearly states that us outcomes are not as good as the outcomes of a multitude of nations with universal healthcare availability. So yes it was a straight up refutation. You never once backed up your claim.

when people can even afford private healthcare they are made to pay copays and fees and often denied coverage, because there is a huge profit motive to do so. even when you can afford the best health insurance and not just cut rate stuff that leaves things out outright

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#2 She has absolutely no pre-20th century USA black ancestry. Even her Jamaican dad is a mulatto, who says he's descended from British plantation/slave owners.

Compare, then, for example.

I don't have a direct source already comparing the correlations, as I compared them myself some time ago. If you have the time to look through both you will see that while lifestyle factors do correlate, comparatively the availability of healthcare tracks much more closely.

There is also much to be said about the availability of healthcare and advice from healthcare professionals impacting said lifestyle choices, but like your Forbes article saying 'this can all be chalked up to how much easier it is to manage in smaller countries', there is no data so this claim is spurious at best, which I readily admit.

Healthcare outcomes are better in universal healthcare nations, which refutes with evidence your unsubstantiated claim
>People DO care about wait times, and outcomes, though. Both of which are measurably better in a privatized system.
Specifically that outcomes are measurably better in a privatised system, which they are not. QED.

>deepfake and gay

Missed my link, here:
healthmetrics.heart.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Impact-of-Healthy-Lifestyle-Factors-on-Life-Expectancies-in-the-U.S.-Population.pdf

Nor did you. We've both just been making claims. You even admit that you are your own source. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I don't really know you, and I don't know how much I can trust you to be unbiased.

healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-start
>Among the major causes of death, the U.S. has lower than average mortality rates for cancers

So I'm correct about cancers, not about generalized outcomes. However, many of the things in which the US lags behind can be directly correlated to lifestyle, so I'm still not totally convinced that a change in the healthcare system will solve them.

That article doesn't really seem to confirm or deny the claim. They say that lifestyle changes could "narrow the gap", which seems self-evident, but it doesn't really compare it to healthcare systems.

>So I'm correct about cancers, not about generalized outcomes.
I already accepted the cancer point when you first made it, because I already know from my own research that it is true, however you then proceeded to claim that wait times and outcomes were both measurably better, which only one of which is true, I refuted it and you asked me for evidence of a contrary claim before providing a shred of evidence yourself for your own claims, having only just now provided that evidence.
>it doesn't really compare it to healthcare systems.
Which I already stated here
>I don't have a direct source already comparing the correlations, as I compared them myself some time ago. If you have the time to look through both you will see that while lifestyle factors do correlate, comparatively the availability of healthcare tracks much more closely.
I provided the two sources that allowed me to see this. The evidence is there. I backed up my claim with this evidence. It is down to you to check whether it says what I say it does or not. You have the source information right there.
>many of the things in which the US lags behind can be directly correlated to lifestyle
Not as closely as healthcare availability as shown in the two sources I linked, and 'many' is not all. It is entirely possible that a change in healthcare availability will not only impact the healthcare availability correlation, but indirectly via increased availability of professional advice, improve the lifestyle choices as well. You have said
>I don't really know you, and I don't know how much I can trust you to be unbiased
Yet I have provided the sources of my data which you can now analyse for yourself and, when you do, you will either see the accuracy of my assertion or you will ignore it, I don't know which, because I don't know you either, but if you analyse the data with an honest eye, you will see.
I've said my piece and provided evidence, you can check it, or you can blindly deny it. Ball, court.

bump while I'm reading since we're on page 10 already

To clarify, I meant my post was a bump. Wasn't telling you to do the bumping.

>when you can't find a real job

she is not even African.

she is an islander/indian (dot not feather)

I'd enjoy her grabbing my cock and jam it into her eye socket/10

Well then your problem is solved. Next time you get a doctor's bill just go to court and argue you don't have to pay cause, human rights. You want to equate rights with what most people want? What about the baker that refused to bake a cake for the gay wedding? If most agree with them, do they have a right to refuse service? We have laws that give us rights. Don't confuse the two. You want to claim rights based on what you think is morally right/wrong, be careful. Not everyone shares your Morals and beliefs. Some believe they have a right to throw gays off the roof. You ok with that one, as long as the majority says it is cool?

You have no rights other then what the country you live in gives you.

We're still left with a bunch of race-baiting communists.

Wrong. In the US, your rights aren't granted to you by the government. They're "inalienable", and the governments only purpose is to recognize and defend them.

I understand what you mean, but it's a shitty moral philosophy.

Christ, one off of quints...

Time to kill myself, I guess.

They are inalienable as long as the nation agrees they are. They are not in fact ACTUALLY inalienable or they could not be violated at all.

There are no natural rights.

Like I said, I understand what you're getting at. But it's a shitty moral philosophy.

Keep posting black girls please

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Why don't palms/soles have pigment in black people?

It's not a moral philosophy. It's a fact. No such thing exists as a natural right, only an agreed upon one. All moral decisions are subjective and group based ones such as rights are only extant if agreed upon.

>806053290
SHES HALF BLACK / HALF PAJEET.

>And she lived in Canada most her life

My point is we have laws that we agreed on and then we have everyone with different morals. Just because you believe something is morally right does not mean it is the law or your right. I believe I should have the right to smoke pot in my house. Law says I can't. I am working to change the law so I gain that right. I can't just ignore the law because I don't think it is right. I can't just claim that I have rights I don't have because I believe I should. No one has a right to free healthcare. You are asking taxpayers to subsidize it. The rich will not pay for it no matter what uncle Bernie claims. All these socialists screaming "muh rights" does not help. Btw, I am in favor of discussing universal healthcare and want to know the bottom line of costs and who is eligible. I don't want to pay 70% tax so illegals can run over the boarder and get free medical.

That's literally what philosophy is, you dingus. Yours would probably most appropriately be described as nihilism, though you can correct me if there's a more appropriate term. Nihilism is for degenerates and brainlets.

>Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.

>you are asking taxpayers

kek no I'm not. I'm a conservative libertarian. Also, not the user you were initially arguing with. And you do have the right to smoke weed in your house. The current law violates that right, and I agree, should be changed.

I can't bring myself to believe in a god, but if you did, that's where your rights would come from. Not a government. I believe that humans are born with rights, and it's the government's job to recognize them and defend them. Not to grant them.

I understand from a pragmatic viewpoint, that's essentially what they're doing, but not a moral one.

A dead Negro is a civil well-behaved Negro.

because it's sexy

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How?

I unfortunately had to go to reddit for the answer. Posting it here so nobody else has to suffer that indignity

All human races lack melanin-making cells in the palms and soles. In most of the skin, melanin-making cells make melanin, and this is transferred to tough outer-skin cells, and gives them their colour.

But the palms and soles have thicker skin which is replaced frequently so that any minor damage is healed as fast as possible. Because of the faster rate of new skin growing (and old skin being worn away) melanin isn't transferred into the skin cells from the melanin-making cells (or not transferred efficiently).

I suppose that evolution decided to save energy and stop putting melanin-making cells in the palms and soles because they weren't able to work properly in those areas. So now we just don't have those cells in those areas.

What an absolute stupid thing to say. "Duhhh I don't believe in God but if I did he gives me muh rights"

You sound like an edgelord who's never really examined his own political beliefs and doesn't understand objectivity

You call it a moral philosophy. I call it a fact.

You're good at drawing retarded conclusions from nothing.

A bit self-aggrandizing, but okay.

You can call it what you want to, but it is a fact. It is not ever not going to be the case that you are given rights by social contract. There is no universal law of moral rights, there is no objective morality. There never will be. Asserting there is is just saying "this is the way I think it should be therefore it is". Fucking idiots think that moral absolutism is a thing.

Fucking idiots think that moral relativism is a thing.

>A bit self-aggrandizing, but okay.
Lol it's self-aggrandizing to point out observable reality now.

Rights don't exist but by agreement. They never have. You cannot point to a single naturally occurring right, because one has never existed. This is not a philosophy, it is an observable, verifiable fact.

Nah, people like you think you're special but you're all very typical.

Taxation isn't theft either. Go shave your neck beard faggot

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Hey, another superb example of a retarded conclusion. Keep projecting, dipshit.

You complain about "racebaiting", and in the very same sentence you call her an uppity negress.

This is why "playing the race card" is actually playing the reality card.

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Depends how you're defining rights. If you're referring to laws, then no, obviously humans create laws. If you're referring to morals, then yes, humans can have innate rights.

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She really did, and as time passes she looks more and more like a two-faced cunt

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kek'd, that puff at the end.

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Nigger, you don't even know what deepfake is.

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Just how it is

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>you will not vote for that racist orange man, right user. My black pussy will fuck the racism out of you

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So besides free healthcare and college, what other "rights" are we born with?

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Well we love the black queens too

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>only posts good things for self, no negatives

Typical idealistic, childish Bernie supporter. If you get your way you'll deserve all the economic hardship you bring us.

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That is the most absurd statement I've ever heard. What you're saying by trying to advocate for moral absolutism is that the thing which only exists as a concept in the mind can be absolutely correct or incorrect.

See above. No such thing as absolute morals. They are a human developed concept. They are not a natural phenomena.

Until and unless you can tell me where morals and rights exist that isn't entirely conceptual then it is self evident that they can only ever be subjective.

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I want tulsi to make Kamala eat her ass

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>t. Retard

how much nigger cock do you suck in a typical day?

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Lazy fucking Bern.

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And now that he's a millionaire, he's a hypocrite

>Source: your ass

this one good

I'd pay for that. Tulsi is my PILF

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Some hot women on this thread

First of all, I never said those were rights. They're not.

Secondly, I'm not going to sit here and list all the rights we're born with. But I can summarize them thusly, we have the right to exist as we would without interference. If that makes sense.

Ben Garrison is unstopable

roads, access to communication, clean water and food. Just off the top of my head. Google "human rights charter" for more info

Primary healthcare and education are basic human rights

No.

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The UN says yes, so fuck you

atheismandthecity.com/2013/02/a-case-for-secular-morality-objective.html

Read it all. If you still disagree, then fine, we just disagree. A belief in moral objectivism is the only way to not devolve into degenerate hedonists.

The UN can eat deez nuts

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I think I'll take their truth over yours, thanks

All that costs money. What if there is money? If there is a drought and there is no water and no food, who is violating my human rights? If no one wants to fix the roads, who do we throw in jail for violating my human rights? Access to communication ? Wtf is that. You mean if I don't have a phone or Internet, it is a violation of my human rights? And all this time I've been paying for shit. I'd be glad to look up the human rights charter if you'd kindly point out what section of the us Constitution it is in.

ooh, the deez nuts argument. UN is pwnd

You do so at the risk of EATING DEEZ NUTS

The US is the richest country in the world. Why do MUCH poorer countries have no problem with these policies? Billionaires and their minions pleading poverty when expected to deliver basic human rights is getting really tired now.

please no sir. me terrified

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Oh, I guess if the un said it, the whole world must comply.

If your rights depend on the rich to give them to you, they're not rights.

it's really more like the rich are bribing politicians to violate them, but whatever makes you feel smart

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I can answer your questions bro.
1)The government
2) See 1
3)Yes, in 2019 it is
4)There are many things not in the US constitution. And the Bible, and the hardware manual I bought last year. Even your founding fathers knew your constitution was never set in stone. That's why there are AMENDMENTS

Still doesn't make it your right to have free healthcare. Listen, I'm with you on we need to really have a national discussion cause what we are doing is not working. Problem is there is no discussion cause you guys keep screeching about how you are owed free healthcare, free college, free "communication". Let's talk reality, you want the middle class to pay higher taxes so the poor can get free healthcare. At the same time you want open boarders and free healthcare for illegals all the while shouting "my human rights" as if we owe you anything. Get a job hippie.

that's pretty much what everyone in the UN signed up for, so yes

Imagine being this retarded

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Well change the Constitution and you can call them rights.

>open borders

That would officially be the demise of the US. I genuinely don't think we could survive it. Barbarians at the gate, better let them in and give them free stuff that we stole from anyone who got lucky or worked hard.

Well they better arrest Congress, wait a minute, I'm on board with that.

No, the right to access to communication means you can't be denied the option to purchase it. If you choose not to spend the money, that's your choice, but your government can't take that choice away from you.

None of those things are free. They are paid for in taxes. Tax cuts on the super rich will take care of most of that. And middle class? In America? Disappearing into poverty because of almost ZERO tax cuts, expensive health insurance and you can't even get an education without getting financially buttfucked. I'm a capitalist, but I can see a difference between capitalism and outright abuse.

I'm confused. Where does the government not allow you to purchase communications?

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The US is a member of the UN and therefore has promised to uphold rights not in the constitution.

The sad thing is that you probably don't even understand how this logic makes you stupid.

In many countries telecoms are parastatal

There's one huge problem with disproportionately taxing the rich:

Representation

Our country was founded on fair representation for taxation. We were being taxed by Britain without fair representation in parliament. Now you want to tax the rich disproportionately, but not give them representation consistent with that level of taxation.

The BBC, for eg

mairiedemontsoult.com/countries-where-internet-is-forbidden-or-limited/

There's a list of countries that don't allow internet access to some or all of their citizens. That's actually why it was declared a right, to put pressure on them to change that.

It's not free you fucking mongoloid, it's tax funded. And in literally every first world country that it's been implemented, you end up paying far less for your healthcare than you do with private insurance and it covers more. I'd rather pay an extra $500 a year in taxes than $230 a month or of my check.

Yes. Because that's democracy. I get the conservative, anti-dem argument. I just disagree. It's a system that's legalised bribery. It's what created that "swamp". It hasn't worked, and is probably the main reason most people hate and distrust politicians

They are free to the ones who get it. They will not be able to tax the rich to afford everything. They will leave. They have done so in other countries in the past. Was not a fan of the last tax cut as we have a huge debt already but middle class did get a cut. I got a cut. College can be done cheaper then most people think, I know as I'm paying for it right now. Problem is too many kids fall for the go-to college meme and get useless degrees at expensive private schools.

you have no idea what you are talking about

>legalized bribery

Funny enough, the largest monetary contributors to political campaigns:
labor unions

And they always contribute to the left.

you have no idea what you are talking about

Democracy is one person, one vote. You are literally arguing against that

No, I'm not. I don't think they should be given more votes. I also don't think they should be disproportionately taxed. My views are self-consistent.

post limit reached. i forget, can we still bump with images?

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