Why has socialism failed every single time it has been attempted?

Why has OP failed at every single thing he's attempted?

Depends what you mean. There are a lot of very "socialist" countries that are doing quite well. Several of the scandinavian countries have lots of "socialist" policies and structures, and they are doing quite well. The UK and Canada have "socialist" single-payer healthcare and they are doing much better in that regard (in access, outcomes and cost) than non-socialist countries

It's not particularly easy to find an example of a "socialist" country which is not a dictatorship and is still failing. Venezuela with it's single-party rule, rigged elections and "fuck it, I'm just in charge forever now" government is failing, but not because of socialism per se. Corruption and nepotism because of bad leadership are to blame there. Same idea in Cuba (though, depending how exactly you use the terms, these are more examples of "communism" than "socialism", but similar arguments apply). Capitalist countries with single-party rule or dictatorships also tend to do pretty poorly if the leadership is corrupt, so that's not really an indictment of the economic style so much as of the leadership style.

Tell me, do you work with any useless people? As much as we like to think folks only suck on the government tit, they do the same at companies too, for the paycheck.

Sounds like me back in high school. Then you realize you're totally useless because some 12 year old chinese boy could do everything you can do and is at least 10x better than you at it.

Scandinavia has mostly private industry, where business owners collect profit. Their industry runs on capital as an incentive, its therefore Capitalist. Implementation of various social safety nets do NOT change that fact.

Apparently, your education, tap water, public library, streetlights, etc all suck. Fuck outta here with this bullshit and learn some basic economic theory. Communism sucks, capitalism sucks, people suck, and op sucks. 1/10, made me reply fuckass

I don't know, I don't study politics and it's been a while since I've been in school. What are your thoughts?

No, we fire people at the drop of a hat. Usually when they get on ye olde pain pills.

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Because they didn't try it hard enough.

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I don't know... Ask Norway

She looks like an Hispanic girl who licked my asshole once.

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>people on the right
who?
>obsessed
you mean "reading lefty msm headlines"?
>first term congresswoman
maybe she gets shit on because she can't do her job as a representative and can't practice what she preaches?

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Yet things like, free and cheap education, no student loans, cheap/free healthcare are all treated as socialist things by americans and they rather die before seeing them implemented, but Scandinavian countries all have them and do very well?

Socialism was designed by jews to fall. All it has to do is promise a better life then eat away at whatever is established until the point of anarchy, then you point the finger at your opponent and soon everything is shit. Then you step in with force and control what you want.

>do very well

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>I'm not obsessed! You're obsessed!
proceeds to post 100th picture of AOC today

>Muh anecdotal misinterpreted headline where i don't know shit about provides clear evidence disproving cheap healthcare in all West European countries!!!

Those are socialist policies. It doesn't mean the entire country is socialist. And those things all fail in those countries. In fact, those aren't even a thing in Scandinavian countries. You're listening to CNN again. Think Cuba. That's your haven.

Hey, she provides her own content. What else can I do?

Lol I used to live in France for a few years, then Amsterdam. I literally had to wait several weeks for a doctor's appointment. The taxes are sky fucking high. Like I can pay for top-of-the-line healthcare here in the US for a fraction of the cost of what was coming out of my paycheck in the Netherlands.

The only people that it really benefits is total fucking cockroaches who don't even want to get a full-time job at walmart or mcdonalds that include free healthcare. They want to do nothing and do drugs all day.

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>i don't know shit about provides clear
I have no idea how to speak mongoloid.

How often are you jacking off to pictures of her feet?

Those things aren't exclusive to socialism. Government services are seen in every capitalist society.

Never. Not a foot man.

Finn here, you Americuck obviously don't know what happened... Basically they want to privatize it, so we have your amerishit healthcare where if you break a leg driving a bicycle you'll have to pay 20.000 dollaroos in medical costs

>Like I can pay for top-of-the-line healthcare here in the US for a fraction of the cost of what was coming out of my paycheck in the Netherlands.

thats just not true at all.
healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-start

Where did I say that the country is socialist?

You can buy top-of-the line healthcare in the US for a fraction of the cost of what the Scandinavian citizens pay for taxes. Also you can enjoy not having to wait 3 weeks-2 months for a doctor's appointment.

Also a cup of coffee in those countries cost $6-8 USD. A small cup. So you can also enjoy access to cheap food.

Yeah, you Americans never had this socialist policy called education where they learn to read.

Why do you have to pay that much? It's only a few hundred to a couple thousand freedom bucks here, depending on the severity. We also don't "drive" bicycles like faggots here.

What the fuck kind of coffee do you buy there?

>You can buy top-of-the line healthcare in the US for a fraction of the cost of what the Scandinavian citizens pay for taxes.

wrong
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2674671

"The United States spent approximately twice as much as other high-income countries on medical care, yet utilization rates in the United States were largely similar to those in other nations."

but America and Europe has a lot of socialist qualities you stupid fuck. many programs that you might be included in are socialist.

I was paying about $2000 USD a month in taxes in Amsterdam. I pay maybe $800 a month in taxes in the US, and my healthcare costs $300 a month for my platinum plan.

I don't care how much my insurance pays.

Ok, yeah. So those /are/ socialist policies. But it doesn't mean Norway and Finland are successful because of their socialist policies. It's their fault. Their schools are part private, part public. It's not like Bernie's "thriving socialist countries" bullshit.

>It's only a few hundred to a couple thousand freedom bucks here
Eurofag here, so you're telling me, falling and breaking something can cost you a monthly wage?
I can not possibly fathom this since I pay only +- maybe 10 € for a doctors appointment, maybe double or triple that (idk never broke something). We go to dentist once a year for free. Perfect healthy teeth. STD tests / abortion cost 1 € too..

The United States can be called a socialist country.

We've had it since 1982 I think. It's called the "Department of Education". Test scores have declined since it's installation. Therefore, the socialized US school system has failed.

>Amsterdam. I literally had to wait several weeks for a doctor's appointment.
BULLSHIT.
I'm Dutch and you can get doctors appointments the same fucking week, the same fucking day when it';s not busy.
We pay roughly 100 Euro's a month for healthcare which is roughly a 20/th from a monthly salary (2000 Euro).
You're a fucking liar, cocksucker

>using one anecdotal experience to dispute a study that includes millions of peoples experiences.

ok kid

If you look at the education / healthcare costs in the US, I seriously can't imagine NOT voting Bernie..

Unless I was making 200-300k per year, then indeed as you picture it, I'd vote republican.

dudes obviously never lived in amsterdam
hes just repeating talking points he heard on fox news

I don't pay 60% taxes and I don't have to wait in line. Dentist is almost nothing unless you need something like braces or implants. Euro is also a pretty big place. I'll assume you live in Romania.

Just like Scandinavia, we are capitalist with socialist policies.

Do workers control the means of production where you live? No? Not socialist

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Enjoy your shitty infrastructure, neighborhood and education though. You get what you pay for I guess

Got braces for free in Europe, maybe that explains all those shitty teeth of American students coming to Europe

>fox news
You actually watch that leftie shitfest? Fuck off.

Notice trumptards like this guy can never explain what their criticism of left wing policies actually are. It's always an unlikely anecdote of when "I lived in France once" or "Taxes were sky high". This argument is an appeal to emotion because there is no substance or fact.

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You reply to the wrong user?

Has socialism failed in Europe? People have nice apartments, they go to school for free, they have superior healthcare, public transportation is top notch. How has socialism failed?

>for free
>in Europe
No. You don't.

How threatened do you feel to make this thread over and over, day after day?

Smart people wont do difficult work for 90 hours a week without incentive.

except you can look up taxes in those places. go ahead, i'll wait...

The facts being that if noone has a copay for healthcare and there is no insurance oversight, people will clog up the system.

Give everyone free 100% healthcare, hospitals will be horribly crowded. People come in for the sniffles. You're overestimating the intelligence of the unwashed masses.

Because people are too retarded to properly implement it.

Braces are covered in denmark for children under 18.

I had a different experience. I was referring to France also, but it's common in socialist countries.
Also, I don't know about your 100 Euros deal, that sounds pretty sweet. How did you sign up for that?

>apartments burn down due to subsidized insulation
>pay taxes whole life for kids to go to school for a dozen years
>worst healthcare in the west
>public tx is heavily subsidized and shoddy
keep it up britbong. have fun fighting off the pakis on the way to the bus.

Just look at Canada.

>Can walk around without worrying being shot
>Can go to class without being shot
>Can ride a bike / go hiking / do sport without worrying to fall and pay thousands of dollars in medical costs
>Can study for free
>Can start working and earning debt free as soon as out of college
>Don't have to pay thousands of dollars for liposuction
>Don't have to worry about tornado
>Don't live in wooden house that can burn down any minute
>Don't have LARPers in the street protesting
>Can actually have intelligent and educated conversations with other citizens
>Don't have to navigate trough meth and opioid needles in the streets
>Have actual DRINKING water without fracking chemicals
>Don't have gang wars in the streets
>Meat contains actual meat
>Can actual live longer than 60 due to better food standards

Feels good to live in Capital-Socialist Europe

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Are you people this brainwashed into thinking all this shit if free? The people machining the parts aren't doing it for free. Those parts don't get delivered for free. The building they get delivered to isn't free. The knowledge of installing them isn't free, and the time to install isn't free. How the fuck do you toads think it's free?

In fairness to AOC, she favors more Denmark/Norway safety net than Venezuela/Cuba price regulating.

>I was paying about $2000 USD a month in taxes in Amsterdam.
No, you weren't. Income tax is 460,75 on a 2460,74 euro monthly salary. Of the 100 euro you pay for healthcare, you actually get between 50 and 70 euro's back near the end of the month. You also get money back when you rent a house, the higher the rent, the more you get back (depends on your income scale).
Again, you're full of shit!

The criticism is that leftist policies are extremely expensive, allowing the government to take the brunt of the expenses instead of corporations competing with one another. Free healthcare and over-involvement of the government to provide services is a surefire way to ruin the economy.

The strong support the weak. The people who benefit from free healthcare are the most useless people. These people aren't people who already can receive medicare (for free). They're the hardcore shitbags that can't be asked to do anything. It's not my responsibility to pay for cletus's sister's tooth she lodged in his cock.

If I get braces from the state, while I pay taxes, why would I complain?

thats why i said "covered"
im not the OP your were first responding to

Dutch tax rates

The Dutch government is set to reduce the number of income tax brackets down to two in 2021. In 2019, however, three bands will operate as follows:

Up to €20,384: 36.65%
€20,384–€68,507: 38.1%
€68,507+: 51.75%

These tax rates are insane

Because you eventually run out of people to steal from

Holy shit, I have all of those except wooden houses (post 18th century over here) and the intelligent conversations (see thread). Plus I can own guns and giant trucks, and I don't have to install smart meters.

Because you're paying 2000% for those braces.

Don't forget you have to pay 20% VAT after.

covered=already paid for
again, are you this brainwashed?

Do Europeans actually think America is like this?

I don't mind to pay the price for a high living standard. When images of the US reach our news channel, I shall weep a tear for you guys.

>I was referring to France
You can't compare France with the Netherlands.

>but it's common in socialist countries
Appearantly it isn't because nothing you described was applicable to the Netherlands

>I don't know about your 100 Euros deal,
The most basic health insurance packages start at 80 euros

>How did you sign up for that?
you can get this everywhere, which you would have known had you actually took one in the Netherlands.

Did you write that slab of nonsense because you thought the Europeans would be sleeping right now?

Why don't you pay more? If you paid more, you could pay more more awesome services. I'm sure you guys don't have crime and get to work in tubes and jetpacks and shit, and you probably live to 180 cause fucking perfect, instant healthcare.

We don't need guns, niggers don't try to home-jack us here, since police actually gets paid well and does their job well.
We also don't need giant trucks since we have actual asphalt roads instead of hillbilly mountain roads.

define socialism you fox news cuck

>newschannels
You can trust them for sure

Lol! The repud trolls in here don't even know what Democratic Socialism means. Without misinformation, you racist repud minority wouldn't have any information! Stay triggered, snowflakes!

see

>Reading this entire thread like
Do Americans actually think Europe is like this?

But they are, by their nature, socialist. I'm all for anti Communism, but this idiotic anti socialism is misleading and dangerous. Socialism isn't a free ride, it's just a check on capitalism, which is just the antithesis of communism, and just as doomed to failure. Monopolies are the natural outcome of unchecked capitalism.

It's quite nice here tbh.

Trumptard confirmed
>Muh MSM

i never said they were free moron.
of course they are paid though taxes

>images of the US
>news channel
Dammit dude. You see the worst part of 4 cities and that's it. Think about all the images about the no-go zones Americans see and think that's Portugal to Turkey.

and the US doesn't have unchecked capitalism. There are regulations. Too many regulations are bad, and so are too few. Honestly it's not hard to afford living here.

9/10 times the people who struggle are lazy and waste their money on stupid shit, have too many kids, or make terrible decisions.

They don't qualify for disability pay, they are just lazy and want free shit.

socialism is one of the worst ideas ever, but
some things really ought to be socialized

>implying news outlets don't cherrypick stories that generate viewership/ad revenue

Turkey =/= Europe
Maybe if you'd paid more taxes, you would have had an actual geography course in school in a decent education..

that's what she looks like when jacking off two BBCs and taking one up the butt

Lol Scandinavian countries are authoritarian as shit they just don’t let the rest of the world know it. Canada and the UK are in shambles.

Europe might as well be turkey. All those Muslim refugees that they're now offering money to for them to leave.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-offer-asylum-seekers-1200-euros-voluntarily-return-home-countries-refugees-crisis-merkel-a7561701.html

Its not hard to distinguish facts from falsehoods, I can watch the media and do some critical thinking. The key is to find multiple sources and compare the biases.

Then by definition, US is Mexico?

Everything I have seen and heard says otherwise.

Unfortunately that means there's merit to not trusting the news.

ANY CHANNELS FAGGOT! Stop watching TV and immediately hopping on Yea Forums.

If you have no input sources, you can not verify anything.

The southern states, sure. Have you taken a look down there? yikes.

Sadly the northern voters who don't have to deal with it daily want to embrace it with open arms. It's only a matter of time before they realize what a mistake it is.

>i never said they were free moron
"Free" was stated. "Covered" was the reply. I'm not willing to argue all the way up the thread about it.

What do you expect? She memes herself

>be in a country with universal healthcare
>pay 30% in taxes to cover it
meanwhile
>be in america without universal healthcare
>only by 18% of taxes
my healthcare doesn't cost anywhere near 12% of my annual pay, especially since I get to pay for it pretax. my medicine is also paid pretax and insurance covers 95% of the cost. finally, thanks to low deductibles, I don't pay a penny of co-pay after March for anything I do during the year

people who want universal healthcare don't understand healthcare (too young) or are too poor for good coverage and too dumb to use the government programs that are already in place. not to mention that all medical facilities have a 2 tier pricing scheme and if you don't have insurance it's 10% the cost since they write 90% off as a charitable contribution

t. insurance underwriter

your dad was a genius. why are you retarded?

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Considered the average IQ in the southern states, it will be more of an, enrichment..

I was unaware of that, but everyone wins except the lowest income brackets who'll have to pay 0.4% more in 2021.
Anyways, the numbers I gave were based on 2019

What is your point? The numbers I gave were based on 2019

She’s stupid as fuck but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give her a good hate fuck. Never seen her feet, but she’s a multi millionaire so she can probably afford to make them look nice. Got any pics?

>Turkey =/= Europe
Prove it. I see so many UK videos where Pakis and Turk steal motorcycles and cars and home invasions and shit... I'd be surprised if you're a gap-toothed white bloke.

We're not obsessed, shes annoying and a waste of life .

>t. insurance underwriter
Nice shilling

>a lot of very "socialist" countries that are doing quite well
that is none of them.

This. 30% is actually low for European countries. My tax bracket costs 50%ish in the EU. I like my insurance coverage that I worked for here in the US.

>Prove it
>Considers anecdotal videos as solid evidence
Sure that won't be hard!

In the US, ObamaCareless hiked it way the fuck up. If I were married, no kids, and didn't get a plan through my employer, it would be ~$1600-$1800 a month. And that's for insurance, not healthcare. The actual care sucks all the dicks currently. And now the Dems want to hike it up more. Keep in mind that almost 50% of the pop doesn't pay taxes, but they are the ones getting the insurance. "Tax the rich" they say. If you're paying taxes, you are the rich.

>Why don't you pay more?
Because we like to live comfortably without having to work 9 jobs for 6 days a week like you Amerimutts.
The only reason you guys are complaining about socialist policies is because you've been brainwashed by big businesses that it's bad. While it's actually the opposite, the more big businesses a country has, the more these businesses should see it as their obligation to give more to the state. So, the state can invest more in the country. It is utterly unpatriotic to try to hoard all the money for yourself and you're a foolish sheep for not understanding this. Keep that you would live in a paradise if every business was nationalized (assuming that the government would run the companies equally good).

Lol how embarrassing for you considering that’s only true if you live in the socialist states/megacities(CA/NY/Chicago/Miami/few others), everywhere else in the US is cheap as shit to live and has the best infrastructure on earth and our neighborhoods are fantastic outside of the aforementioned city/states where all the violent minorities are

Lol nice try faggot. The US has the best teeth in the world

There are zero socialist states in the US. You are simply an intellectually challenged negro.

>Hi, I get my news from Youtube
The post

How can you imply that?

And you disagree with me?

This is the lazy western decadence I was expecting. You are only hurting yourselves by not pay at least double that.

Back OT. We despise it because it always grown and never goes away. Then the next round of idiots says, "we'll fix this with more taxes." and the cycle continues. The state doesn't do anything but push paperwork around. I don't know what this "big business" horseshit is all about. The state taxes you so they can pay more to big business.

>if you live in the socialist states/megacities(CA/NY/Chicago/Miami/few others),
?????????????????????????????????????

>US is cheap as shit to live and has the best infrastructure on earth
Kek

That's why there are different countries. If you want to live in Europe and want their heathcare, go live in Europe. If you like the US gun laws, live in the US.

Why are we trying to homogenize our unique styles onto everyone else. It shows insecurity.

Also, I work 4 days a week, have excellent healthcare and love it, mostly because I worked hard and majored in something marketable in college.

>buying propaganda
neat

This.
I just vacationed from Chicago to Iowa to Indiana to Ohio to Detroit and I had a blast. Turn off your TV.

>stormfag boomer here

Depends on where in the US. It's a big country.

>Europe
Can you fags differentiate between countries? Georgia is not the same as Greece, Is not the same as Norway.

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>I hear about SF and NY
kys

The moral being you can live wherever you want to. It's like the muslim fucks trying to impose sharia law in the UK. They have several countries that already operate like that. Go live there.

I think the socialism you mean like the ussr they came into existence whit a violent revolution so they were heavily militarised and as a result they were authoritarian, I think the authoritarian aspect is bad.

But if socialists policies come into existence through democratic means I think there's no problem

>You are only hurting yourselves by not pay at least double that.
Not at all. Most European countries, save for the car-producing countries, simply aren't producing enough goods to raise taxes.
If we tax the people more, they can't live at all.
This is less of a problem with the US, the US simply has a retarded spending program, because of which the rich are at the throats of the poor and vice versa.

>The state taxes you so they can pay more to big business.
And it should be the other way around.
The state needs to keep both, the rich and the poor as friends instead of just keeping the wealthy happy. They can leave the country if they don't like it (their goods are produced overseas anyways), but we know they won't because they need our valuta. Grow some balls or stop being mislead into thinking that your enemies are the Joe Schmoes in the streets who are denied jobs and thus are deemed lazy by same people who are denying them jobs because they're "too expensive" for wanting (to raise) minimum wage.

The government should create its own businesses to compete with these unpatriotic firmas. It would mean that much more of the profit would return into the treasury. Sadly, politicians are on big business' payrolls and won't help atm.

Listen, from someone who lives in the UK, yeah free healthcare is good but fuck me people don’t half milk it, going on and wasting doctors time with headaches when there’s actual people who are fucked, and it’s failing big time, a lot of people are going private as you get seen first, and don’t have to be on a waiting list

tired russian propaganda

>. It's like the muslim fucks trying to impose sharia law in the UK
And that's because of the freedom your favorite product gives, religion.
Western Europe isn't as religious as the UK, in which the Chinless prince stands at the head of the church.
Any laws restricting religious freedom, restrict his own religion as well.
It's sad for the people, but they had this coming.
BTW are Americucks really this obsessed with religion or is it just a meme?

>assuming I'm commie Bernie
nice try, lad.

Easy: Sabotage from capitalist countries, and inability to compete with capitalism. With the USSR, the people who were supposed to help transition the union into a communist society coalesced into a class all their own, which crippled the USSR's ability to keep up, which, coupled with the constant sabotage from the US and everyone else, led to its downfall in the 90s.
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Amsterdam's not socialist. Next.

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>they can't live at all
It's already heading there. Energiewende is fucking Germany in the ass. And now with Phase 1 of Hornsea online, the UK will also be out of heat in the winters. EU's mfg is in the shitter, and if Trump, or the next guy, continues with these tariffs and trade wars, we'll be right behind you.
>The state needs to keep both, the rich and the poor as friends
They should stay the fuck out of it altogether and let the poor do business with the rich.
>stop being mislead into thinking that your enemies are the Joe Schmoes
They are my enemies, but not for the reasons you wrote. The state is the main enemy, and they are the ones who created these junkies in the streets. There is not job shortage. Raising minimum wage will only put more fucks in the streets.
>The government should create its own businesses
The government should back the fuck up and do what it was created to do (in the US): Secure out borders, uphold the constitution, and settle interstate disputes. They are unnecessary beyond that and entirely inefficient.

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You suck at LARPing an American, but I'll bite comrade.
>It's already heading there.
Why would you be against the govenrment if they are the only ones who can order businesses to pay taxes to take care of the land?
Do you think that the citizens have enough time and money to do it? Without the government the businesses would simply pay less wage and do nothing for infrastructure except on the roads they use to move their products. We saw how this went down in the colonnies (our countries are old asf, but they had the chance to start anew in the colonies and that's what they did, they only invested in the roads THEY used while the countries as a whole remained in the same state which is why all the ex-colonies have problems with adapting to the new era on such a short notice, some ex colonies are less than 30 years old).

>Trump, or the next guy, continues with these tariffs and trade wars, we'll be right behind you.
Trade wars with foreign companies is actually healthy.

>They should stay the fuck out of it altogether and let the poor do business with the rich.
Bullshit, the rich would exploit the poor, because the poor would have no leg to stand on. "Don't like working for $5 an hour? Well, fuck you, I can find another one who will." Why do you think the Mexicans in the US or the Eastern-Europeans in Western-Europe come in by the bushes? It's because the businesses are more than willing to employ them as cheap labor forces with next to no rights to have to be troubled with.
THATs what you're advocating, Ivan.

>They are my enemies
No, they are YOU, Shapiro.

>The state is the main enemy, they are the ones who created junkies in the streets.
Not at all, people choose to use drugs and importing drugs is very expensive, drugs are very expensive (I'm not talking about crack I'm talking about actual cocaine). Most coke heads are rich white dudes who use coke to perform under the pressure their job gives them. And they use XTC to dance their troubles away.

But it hasn't.

>There is not job shortage.
Not true, the automatisation of the jobforce has been putting people out of jobs ever since the Industrial; revolution. We create a job and a machine will take over. An entire team was fired from a factory I worked at when I was a teen because of 'progress'. A lot of these people never found another job, some worked there for decades and had to retire early.

>Raising minimum wage will only put more fucks in the streets.
Not at all. People could work less days meaning that other people can work on those days.
People will be able to pay for an tertiary or secondary education by themselves.
People will be able to afford cars to commute better, etc.

>The government should back the fuck up and do what it was created to do (in the US)
That's not all a government does. The government protects its people, ALL its people. Both the poor and the rich in every way it can.
AND ever since WW2 it strives to uphold humanist standards.

^ Centrist gang rise up

AOC says Palestinians 'have no choice but to riot' against Israel as she agrees with radio host that the country is 'criminal'

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Because capitalists fear it greatly and the rich have taken much effort at thwarting any socialist nation that appears to be succeeding.

and 10x cheaper

Fucking kek

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because bernie is just spewing ideals with no sound numbers to pay for it all?

>>Can actually have intelligent and educated conversations with other citizens
you mean sand niggers? i highly doubt they are capable of intelligent and educated conversations

obviously white and northern. never seen\seen the south or a beaner, huh?

None of you MAGA monkeys have any idea what real socialism is.
Real socialism:
FOX news and CNN combined and run by the government.
Burger Slob and Taco Smell owned by government.
All natural resources, owned and run by the government.
Wealthy people, kicked out of home, sent to farm work, property and money put to common use.
All utilities, owned and run by government.
Ford and Chevy, combined, owned and run by government.
If it were real socialism anyone was talking about, you, me and everyone pays for it with your daily work. No paycheck, no need to pay for anything, you get what the government gives you.
The greedy GOP might just swing us that direction if they keep making more poor people and keep the 16,000 people who make over $20 million a year in their fancy seats.

Because National Capitalism is the only method that has ever worked flawlessly since the beginning of time, when jesus told the emperor that his socialist ways were hurting the middle class's chances at being rich and homosexuals were destroying the empire

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Socialism is literally defined by workers owning production. Are you allergic to books?

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someone hand this man trips. in fact...have mine

except thats an incorrect meme

every human relies on 18 years of socialism at the beginning of their life

we're a society, not a group of individuals who don't rely on one another

leave if you disagree

every single human who has ever lived has failed to live forever why so i bother being alive at all

More libs should think this way

libs have happy lives, they don't get all triggered by like some people having sex with consenting adults

FPBP

dude, libs lead lives of fear, guilt and paranoia. They invented the word “triggered” themselves to defend against having to hear free speech and the truth.

dont you have somewhere to be explaining the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia

because imperialist interventions paired with well orchestrated propaganda campaigns by capitalist superpowers have deemed it inoperable while they continue to destroy the world at a rate 10x that they claim of socialist countries

So you don’t disagree with me then? You admit I’m right.

nope

Because of stupid, lazy people.

some nations have social programs that predate the USA

it's a fallacy to say that every socialist enterprise has failed on their own merits

unless you're some kind of "might makes right" psychopath

Well, usually because the US undermined the shit out of its government with trade sanctions, embargoes and straight up black ops.

Of course those Scandinavian countries must not be socialist under your definition because they are doing fine. So why is everyone all scared of "socialism" when all these people are asking for is that Scandinavian stuff?

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this

American corporate handouts aka corporate welfare (aka socialism) seems to be alive and well today and flourishing.
You McCarthyist rhetoric and hyperbole is tired and archaic.

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Wow I’m tired my Grammar is terrible :)p

>Why has socialism failed every single time it has been attempted?
Because it is a system that is designed to fail. It is just global jewish hegemony under a different name. It encourages people to be animals and to hate goodness, righteousness, and decency. Then to act like perpetual victims. It is a system designed to create as much pain and misery as possible among the public. It is a system designed to hurt as many people as possible as often as possible.

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>global jewish hegemony

lmao i thought the nazis were socialist ;)

>implying he's a nazi

The reason jews hated German National Socialism so much is BECAUSE it just took partial teachings from the Talmud and applied them to Germans. They just changed the word "jew" to "Aryan". And that pissed off the jews so much that they forced all of the major world powers into a war against the Germans.

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i heard that david icke proved that theres no such thing as jews or germans they're all just reptilian extra terrestrials

listen, im a person who is obsessed with aesthetics, might makes right thinking, jewish conspiracies BUT IM NOT A NAZI >:C