Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in the world. Think about that

Egypt has been going strong for a few thousand years.

Let’s just abolish the income tax.

No but you can use a dictionary and use that definition to call out the fact it fails every fucking time

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I thought you Republicucks where against people self identifying

>if you are liberal you probably believe this

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: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

And how aren’t Libraries socialist?

fuck off boomer

Did you just clock in, because that was a shit attempt. Get some coffee in you. Even a tranny faggot making 8 bucks an hour can do better than that. I believe in you.

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I wasn’t making the point that they are socialist. I was making a point that they succeeded as a country for a long time. They have had many political systems. The one the worked the worst was actually democracy.

Socialism has never worked. And all the things that are socialism I will pretend aren't socialism. Change my mind.

Helping people has never helped people.
Do not believe your eyes and ears.

>rewords argument
>"I win"
>this is how liberals actually think

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>seething

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Taxation is theft nigga

>few thousand years
Socialism is now also a monarchy that includes slavery, folks.

retard

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The joke here is that Trump is the first president in decades to implement a series of socialist programs. And as a consequence either Trump is a failure or socialist markets work.

I identifie as a woman, but my penis says I am not

Government paid programs within a Capitalist society does not equal socialism.

>And how aren’t Libraries socialist?
Kek

>no country has ever worked

>Egypt has been going strong

>that’s not socialist

>I didn’t say it was I was responding to a
>different point

>but everybody pay attention to me

Fucking self involved people

Ah instead of an actual argument you just spew insults. Aoc isn't a socialist, she's a social Democrat. Those are capitalists

Taxation is payment for services received

>We laugh because we don’t understand

Norway is has more socialist policies than Venezuela, it's doing fine.

>inb4
>"REEEEEEEEE NORDIC MODEL! REEEEEEE!"

All countries defined as socialist are social democracies, Trump due to a lot of market intervention and govt controlled product imports for foreign companies is by now generally defined as socialist

>no not my Trump!!!!

No one cares about the semantics of identification for an idiot former bartender that suddenly decides they know how the world works better than anyone else.

Same goes for a failed real estate developer

True
Wrong
Wrong

If that's supposed to be a jab, I don't like Trump either.

That is the joke here. Either Trump is a failure or socialism and market intervention works.

I'm also not the same user that insulted you.

ITT: Idiots falling for idiot bait.

It’s a jab at him. When did insulting someone who you support become a jab at you? I am not saying you support him but fuck I am sick of the whiny baby shit where people take any question of their beliefs as a personal insult.

I am not the same user who was insulted

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You'd think from the amount of butt hurt that she has caused to trumptards that she was more powerful than him. Perhaps trump should run for congress, maybe he'll actually get something done that way.

Source?

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theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/trump-socialism-venezuela-bernie-sanders-ocasio-cortez/583135/
medium.com/@MarketMadhouse/trump-is-a-socialist-44ca8200b2f3
whitehouse.gov/issues/social-programs/
gq.com/story/trump-socialism
But that is no secret, trade bans and govt money for failed businesses should be enough to know that.

Because the "production" and "goods" we're talking about here are the book companies making and selling to libraries.
Everything after that is a government service. Which again, services like police, education, roads, and libraries are not inherantly socialist.

Also again I find the only people who support socialism are the ones who don't understand it

>the Atlantic
>valid source
Pick one shill kek

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>posts a bait thread
>has a bunch of shitty image macros with bait text at the ready
>strawman arguments, insulting people, poor wording, no real argument against the idea that you are refuting other than shit-throwing

Hmmm makes you wonder who is behind the posting of this thread and what their goal is - doesn't it?

Not even a Trump supporter here. She's just a moron that has no place in public offices. I don't take her seriously. It's the fact that just any dumb bitch with zero education or experience can be given a platform now is what's infuriating.

Yea sure but Democratic socialism has Extremely successful policies and plenty of examples of success. It's obvious that the most successful system is a blended one.

>th-th-the Russians must be posting this
>voting against me
>disagreeing with me
>making logical arguments against me
The actual view of an actual liberal folks

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Are you high?

and you base your conclusions on absolutely nothing. you morons are giving her a platform by constantly bitching about her

Liberals are nice, reasonable people. I have liberal friends. Leftists, on the other hand...

The same can be said for Trump

The day I see a Trump supporter make a logical argument is the day hell has frozen over.

Yes, he bitches about her and boom, media attention.

Sounds like you just willfully shove corn in your ears. Also, don't equate any conservative with someone who supports the Oompa Loompa

Kek
Trump supporter and this is the shit I pinch my nipples over. Get over yourself and realize anyone can walk in and do a better job than your beloved gods on capitol hill who with all their tenure have run this country into the ground anyway.

And let's say even if you are 100% correct in your black and white viewpoint, I'd still rather have an idiot who can't get things done than a sociopath who can.

The Russian shills and rednecks are in full force today I see.

Bless your hearts, your delusion would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

It’s pretty strong in Cuba right now.

Good job feeding the trolls

Socialism for businesses isn’t working but look at all the “bailouts” and free money they’re getting.

You sit upon an ivory tower made of nothing but crumbs from your cum rag sweetie :)

That's corporate welfare.

Republican party platform meeting 2019. Colorized

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Trump actually has an education and indirect experience through business. He's not some cunt from queens who made your fruity drink last night. Your point was entirely pointless.

>police, education, roads, and libraries are not inherantly socialist.
well libaries, free education, police that works good and isnt bias due to your welth/origin are at least socialist ideas

same for free healthcare, free votes for everyone and a lot of other social stuff

but a "capitalist" state dosnt have to be 100% only capitalist ideas, and a socialist one dosnt have to be 100% socialist ideas

>any conservative with someone who supports the Oompa Loompa
Ya'll are dead in the water. He has full sway over the republican voting base, and the GOP knows it.

Exactly, socialism for business.

What ever happen to the free market, and let the market decide. This “too big to fail” bullshit has got to go.

Its a good thing you're thinking about democratic socialism and not just socialism you fucking dipshit.

Socialism doesn't generate the same resources as capitalism. Socialistic ideas can be implemented in a capitalist society, but not vice versa.

Yeah yeah, tell it to every democrat in 2016 calmmering about his inexperience and arguing "you wouldn't get surgery from a doctor who never went to school would you?"

China's economy is growing and has been growing at much higher rates than the US economy. Their retail market is now worth more. Soon their economy will overtake America. And while real wages in the US have not risen since the 1980 that is not the case in China. By the way USSR had similar rates of economic growth. Socialism in the USSR lifted countries from abject poverty into an industrialized superpower.

Sure they paid for it with a lack of liberty, I'm well aware of that but don't tell me socialism has never worked. It is the current capitalist system that's on it's last leg, heading into yet another inevitable crash. So fuck you OP, you are a massive faggot.

>Trump actually has an education
No he doesn't.
Wharton was only a few notches above a diploma mill when Trump went there. It was for rich fucks to send their kids and get into business asap.
He flaunts his Penn degree, but never mentions that it was *awarded* to him, back when the economics department had only one professor.
And if you actually study trump's thought patterns, he's a very irrational man.

socialism is succeeding in every country on the planet because every economy uses socialism

socialism, like capitalism, are tools for a society to make their econom work for them, instead of vice versa.

(drops mic)

Also China had started weening off pure communism for the economy back in the 70's.

Norway is a socialist democracy, were doing pretty great

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US=socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

Throw in some jesus freaks and kkklansmen and you have the republikkkan party.

I seriously doubt any sane person would suggest a completely socialist country. The US is on the right track with socialist programs (Social Security is a socialist program, people seem to forget that), and Capitalism for the masses. The problem lies in how easy it is for the government and the rich to exploit that system. With more of a push to socialist programs and tighter regulations on things like PACs, campaign contributions, no tax breaks for the rich (Except in certain circumstances. Eg. tax break for switching to electric work vehicles, or working on becoming more green, etc.), and more of a focus on who we are actually electing to be our representatives. If my security clearance requires me to submit 5 years of tax returns and my portfolio of investments to my employer to avoid any conflict of interest, why are our political representatives not held to a higher standard?

I stole this but I think it’s applicable

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100%

What services?

hes kinda of a millionaire though. and the president without holding any political office.he succeeded more than any faggot on this website has.

So you're saying that taking away the incentives for outsourcing is socialism?

Please tell me you're trolling. No one is this clueless.

Leave us the fuck out of it ya goddamn neet

ITT: Teenage spergs that discovered politics two years ago

Don't listen to OP. Just accept everything. Don't think too hard. Listen to others. Let your country control our mind. Let your country control your soul. The righteous will succeed. The System is good. The System is right.

You're arguing with a dishonest person, no matter how much evidence you provide he'll just act stupid and continue the same argument you just refuted.

better not waste your time with him, he isn't worth it.

China has 1.3 billion people in it. Their domestic economy should eclipse every other nation by double but it doesn't. Without the unamerican outsourcing incentives that have been put in place by a mixed bag government over the last 30 years, their economy would topple over.

Hey, best way to learn on an anonymous forum where people will call someone out if something's completely wrong. Also, is it really such a terrible thing that more younger individuals are becoming interested in politics and what exactly our government is getting away with? Yes, they may not have a complete grasp on adulthood yet, but at least they're starting out on the right track.

But if we're bringing age into this, your baby boomer is showing.

The closer to 0 you are, the easier it is to grow exponentially.

I asked a simple question but you didnt answer it.

Socialism is by definition the intervention of the government in the free market. This goes both ways: social programs to support citizens, but also programs to support local companies against the full force of free market competition

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>>just listen to me kid, I've got all the answers you'll ever need.

I'm not even the same user you've been bantering with. I'm just flabbergasted by your willful ignorance.

If its socialist for countries to have to keep their business in their own country then so be it.

He inherited more money than any faggot on this website, and has far fewer morals than any faggot on this website. Making yourself rich with no morals and an inheritance is pretty fucking easy.

pseudo-socialisam was doing well in sweden until they imported refugees who don't work or can only do unskilled worked which is in short supply and drain the social welfare systems without contributing by having 15 kids with no income. It's an enterprising prospect if brown people didn't exist. However the whole purpose was because we had 3rd world shitholes doing the menial labor jobs a place like sweden could exist with a highly specialised workforce.

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FUK SOCIALISM IM A PROUD CATIPALIST

That was the only thing I've said to you. I would just like to see what you think the services rendered are. I never even disagreed with you, I only wanted you to elaborate. But you've attempted an ad hominem twice now without any provocation. Its seems you are having a nigger moment.

this would be nationalisation. But what the US faces is not work exports, but people being addicted to free market capitalism and buying the cheapest products possible, ie chinese imports.

>I seriously doubt any sane person would suggest a completely socialist country.
Many have indeed stated flat-out that they'd want to see a socialist USA... And more have politician'd at it....

>The US is on the right track with socialist programs (Social Security is a socialist program, people seem to forget that)
Social Security is quite literally a pyramid scheme that is currently crumbling. The problem everyone on the left-leaning side keeps forgetting is that government is the least efficient means of achieving something. The ONLY thing government ever does well is waste time and money. This is why a government ought to be as SMALL as possible; not as large as possible; the cure for being on fire is not a bucket of gasoline.....

>The problem lies in how easy it is for the government and the rich to exploit that system.
Ah, yes. Here this user reveals his dyed-in-the-wool Communist colors; the whole "exploitation is why your life seems so much worse than Bill's down the street" bullshit...

>With more of a push to socialist programs
No. These programs are proven largely ineffective and costly.

>tighter regulations on things like PACs, campaign contributions
The problem is that a lot of that money is laundered; ever heard of the Clinton Foundation?

I'd very much like to see far tighter regulations on the entire election process, and honestly far tighter regs on all of politics tbqh, as it just seems a really good way to make billions of dollars disappear for political favors and shit...

>no tax breaks for the rich
This is such a misnomer... It's not the tax breaks, and the average citizen saw WAY more of an effect than the rich did from Trump's tax things. Back to the original point, however, it is non-taxable investments, write-offs, and etc. that business leaders use to cut the end amount of taxes down as much as possible, often leaving them paying very little in. THIS is what needs to be addressed...

[cont]

Medicare, infrastructure, law enforcement, fire department, social security, just to name a few. What the fuck do they teach in school these days? No wonder so many dumb fucks walk around questioning the system that support their existence. You idiots don't even know how it works.

You dont agree that one of the biggest problems facing our economy is the lack on entry level manufacturing positions? Theres not much of a ladder to climb anymore.

>Social Security is quite literally a pyramid scheme that is currently crumbling. The problem everyone on the left-leaning side keeps forgetting is that government is the least efficient means of achieving something. The ONLY thing government ever does well is waste time and money. This is why a government ought to be as SMALL as possible; not as large as possible; the cure for being on fire is not a bucket of gasoline.....
That is a logical fallacy, if I have seen one.
So you think a company would by itself pay people not working for it? The yearly tax fraud news should show that companies don't care about social shit.

>that government is the least efficient means of achieving something
With public accountability.
Big businesses don't, and they often face similar problems, be it logistics, bloated bureaucracy, or corruption.
This muh gubmint bad meme is pervasive, yet so wrong.

Way to show your inability to convey your message without being a cunt. Two words triggered you this hard? Would you do this to a person supporting the same side as you as well?

Nope, just to strangers on the internet. Thanks for replying

>Theres not much of a ladder to climb anymore.
That is not a problem that can be fixed with trade bans. IE why should a company pay some unskilled US citizen 20$ an hour, if they at the same time could pay 1.50$ to some unskilled indian dude. To fix this, customs would have to be absurdely high, so high that all products would be almost unpayable.

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sure, kid

You need to work on your communication skills. You act like a nigger on the internet and that likely means you think like a nigger in day to day life. None of the people in those fields work those jobs for anything other than the monetary compensation. Apart from the uncommon police officer who has to have the authority or doctor who cant go without saving lives.

Firemen are socialist

You could just tax the ever loving shit out of the companies that outsource their labor.

fuck off Ned Flanders

Kek. That's what I thought.

And return to overpriced products? Why?

sure, kid

Kek

Suck my hickly dickly

You don't seem to understand. Your Iphone (implied you have one) costs 1000$ if manifactured in china. Now imagine your nice phone is produced in the US, now that phone would suddenly cost 8000$. What do you think would happen to both the economy and the selling company.

Regulation of mark up % would make a lot of sense there. I worked in a sex store for awhile where we were able to make over 10,000% profit on a lot of items in the store.

Reminder: The vast majority of democrats aren't socialists but the average age of a republican is 65. Your voter population is going to be 6 feet under by the time 2020 rolls around.

sure, kid

[cont]
>Eg. tax break for switching to electric work vehicles, or working on becoming more green, etc.
Granted, we should try to do things as cleanly as we can, but sometimes that's just not an option as far as productivity goes. Much of this "green alternative" is highly inefficient, especially electric vehicles. Unfortunately, until we start mining pure unobtainium from the next galaxy over, battery tech is about at max... The best we can do is try to efficiency the electronics... And a huge motor pulling a huge box of goods 2,000mi across a nation is pulling LOTS of juice; a large tank of diesel is still far more efficient, even when it comes to pollution output (the electric does not directly emit much pollution save maybe some lubrication drips and tire fragments over time, but it does indeed occur a fairly significant drain on the electrical grids).... Unfortunately, user, the "green" movement is another political con job...

>more of a focus on who we are actually electing to be our representatives.
All of my this, on both sides of the aisle. We can very much agree to this; neither side is all that happy with their elected officials these days...

>why are our political representatives not held to a higher standard?
Nepotism and general corruption, basically, and a complete disregard for laws too... How do you think Hillary didn't get sent to Club Fed for the email thing!? You have a security clearance, you know what it takes, you know what you've gotta learn to get one (I got one too, and need to renew it tbh), and the classes you need to take to keep one... All the people on both sides who've been caught blatantly pissing all over these regs, and virtually nothing is ever done. It's rarely illegal for politicians to do illegal shit, and that is a huge thing that needs to be stopped.

It costs around $400 to manufacture an iPhone x which is retailing something like $1200. You would have to regulate the amount the companies were allowed to gouge prices vs cost.

So why are we giving corporations tax dollars so they don’t fail? 16 billion to farmers because of dumbfuck tariff wars. That’s not capitalism at all! Why does our government socialize the costs but privatize the profits?

Is socialism only bad when it goes to needy people?

Socialism succeeds constantly, even without you knowing it.

>It costs around $400 to manufacture an iPhone x which is retailing something like $1200.
That was just an example. But since you don't seem to see the long term effects: first sales in the US would drop, then exports to other countries would drop and finally other companies would replace the product. Meaning in the long run: less taxes, lost jobs, less gdp

It's like trying to ask a muslim genuine questions about his faith. You're always going to get these circular answers where you just cant understand that everything you know is wrong.

Helping out things like farms helps everyone. Giving handouts to the lazy makes things harder on those that actually work to provide the funds.

*citations needed

The cost of manufacturing vs the profit made is exponential for the average American company. The prices of these imported products should be either dropped so low they are non profitable or made so expensive that no one buys them.

yeah the only people that still identify as republicans are geezers, most younger people either identify as "conservative" or "centrist" now days. its not that right wing politics are becoming less popular, its just that younger conservatives are trying to weed out the old 90s conservatives that were against violence in video games and who touted christianity. the right wing is evolving faster than the left wing, and you're really seeing lefties go into a panic. and they should, they need to actually progress and they don't know how.

give a man a fish bla bla bla

this is what socialists refuse to understand, wealth is not give, it is taught through culture

A talking penis? I'm listening.

If foreign economies weren't able to corrupt the economy of our nation with lower wages and safety requirements then the cost would not be able to get that high. The only reason the cost of USA made products is justified now is that the companies are still making the same inflated mark up % while also suffering from inflated labor costs due to low wage competition in other countries.

>The cost of manufacturing vs the profit made is exponential for the average American company.
Ok, in that point you are right. But that is a problem with brand conglomerates inflating their prices.
But we are not talking bout that, we are talking about the negative impact of tolls that make imports and exports inprofitable. That is also distinct from socialism and is called nationalism, because in the long run it means complete isolation from other countries, because other countries don't want to buy your overpriced products and you have no incentive to import any products, because you have to pay absurd high taxes.

>Giving handouts to the lazy makes things harder on those that actually work
If you have a better educated populace not invested what can be their entire income on medical bills, that will let to a marked improvement in the economy.

>the right wing is evolving faster than the left wing
That's not reflected in this current government.

>weren't able to corrupt the economy of our nation
We're getting mass production for a fraction of the price it would cost here. That is nothing but beneficial to a capitalism centered economy.

This country is more than capable of sustaining itself without importing or exporting. The problem is that for at least a century, our global strategy has been use up everyone else's resources as fast as you can so that were the only ones that have any left.

Yes, because life is oh so predictable that you can plan for everything and never ever need a safety net. Just don't get life threatening illnesses or accidents if you can't afford the treatments, lul.

No one is talking about socialism in the US either. You think this is a capitalist nation?

The two party system is corrupt, so not many identify as republican or democrat in general anymore. As for left vs right those are just different brain funcionalities pathologically and are as old as time. Ben Shapiro sums up conservatism neatly with his "facts, not feelings". Liberals tend to be more emotionally driven.

>sustaining itself without importing or exporting
>oil
>rubber
>silicium
>cadmium
>coltan
>palladium
>Uran
Ye, sure, any country can be independent, especially if they like to life like pre WWII

never before in history has the cost the labor been redundant. automation and energy advancement will mean that things like potatoes are $0.01 per ton. just takes time. it has never worked because it takes technology, not optimism.

The current form of capitalism needs to be modified to regulate the profit/cost of production. You shouldn't be able to charge a 10,000% increase. Car companies do this constantly. It costs around $15,000 to manufacture a car that costs $70-80,000

>So you think a company would by itself pay people not working for it?
No, and rightly it should not, unless said person was injured on the job whilst hired with that company...

The death and disability parts of Social Security are indeed noble, but these are actually quite exploited these days, as is Worker's Comp (or whatever your state calls it), WIC, and all the other socialist programs.

The worst part, though, is that "the company" is not paying all of that Social Security; YOU are too... In fact, you're paying at x%, and your employer is forced to match that... So YOU are paying for all the disabled people (legitimate and not)...

>companies don't care about social shit.
That's hilarious, because large companies shell out HUGE amounts to charities and such, and even their individual high-ups will shell out large amounts for charities... It buys good will and good publicity, and it's currently a TAX WRITE-OFF if you donate to charity, especially if you're donating like $4m of your $20m yearly income, and your company just built a $60m facility for some charitable shit...

So you gotta be careful what taxes and exemptions you cut and what ones you raise and lower, because some are very much incentive to do good. Granted, the average person wants to do good in their life, and these people would probably still donate some to these charities, but the tax thing really incentivizes some people to put a lot of zeroes at the end of a check...

And the LAST thing I'd ever wish for this system is for some dickhead socialist to come through and wreck all that, and instead try to tax some percentage, and then try to distribute that taxed money. It would hurt absolutely everyone involved (except the dickhead socialist, of course)...

So companies do indeed care about social shit...

>"facts, not feelings"
>Ben "storms out of an interview because he couldn't handle criticism of his book nor could he defend his ideology when challenged" Shapiro

>Ben Shapiro sums up conservatism neatly with his "facts, not feelings".
>unironically quoting this
Ben is a haughty dipshit that constantly cherry picks data, deploys motte and bailey's, and isn't above strawmanning his opponent.
You yourself fell for a dumb platitude, which is in fact what most of conservative rhetoric is based on

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Nothing is that black and white. It isn't a pure democracy either. People need to stop arguing what is and isn't and focus on what works and what doesn't in my opinion.

Yeah..... shouting communist at the bad people, building walls, and getting more racist is really moving forward. The left is evolving. Just not in a way you like.

That's how well the plan has worked. The way it seems is the US has no access to any of these resources on their own soil. The truth of it is that we dont mine these resources domestically because we put in safety regulation laws to make it impossible to use those resources. North America is a large continent. The US has ownership of a huge portion of it. Dont be ignorant and write off the entire continent as being resource barren. WW2 is approaching a century ago, that doesn't apply here.

No but the rich are just so greedy, taking us back to an oligarchy driven feudalism that true socialism might be right for the times. By true socialism, I mean State owned utilities, manufacturing, money regulation, etc. All of it run by the government, made of regular people, not 1% wealthy greed mongers running everything for their private pleasure. The right has swung so far right, the pendulum is going to swing so far left.
Remember the French and Bolshevik revolutions wealthy scum.
'Come on baby, let's eat the rich'!

reminder: every single country in the OECD is socialist including the USA

did they whisper each letter individually?

>That's hilarious, because large companies shell out HUGE amounts to charities and such, and even their individual high-ups will shell out large amounts for charities
I don't want to argue with you, because you take too long to reply.
But wat? I have a company myself and I annually also donate. Do you want to know why? Not because I am so generous, but because the socialist govt allows me to get almost all donated money back as tax return. So it is just logical to donate that shit. Sadly I am not rich enough to start my own donation company, because then I could get the donated money back into my company again.

Did you just quote Ben "if your house is at risk of sinking underwater just sell it then lol" Shapiro?

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cadmium, coltan and palladium are almost exclusively found in africa. Reason being the gold washing with chemicals in the western world. Those chems have the habbit to also dissolve raw earths needed for any electric component.
But uran was found in texas and rubber trees could be harvested in florida.

I was only quoting that as an example of how conservatives -tend- to be like psychologically. It was from a neutral and objective standpoint. Borrowing from something does not equate to support. I really don't care for anything he talks about on a deeper level, so I can't speak on it.

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>implying conservatives use "facts over feels"
>person he quoted uses "feels over facts"
>"NO! I Meant that most conservatives are like that! Backpedal! Backpedal! Backpedal!

Here's your logic:

Someone asks for something reasonable.

"I define Socialism to be THAT. So I refuse because Socialism doesn't work"

"Prove that Socialism doesn't work?"

"I REdefine Socialism to be Stalin and Venezuela. There you go. It doesn't work."

> how conservatives -tend- to be like psychologically
But you and Ben are just wrong. What most conservatives think of logic is actually intuition, and neither is sustainable on their own without evidence supporting it.

Also fun thing: silicium and ceramics will in close future be more requested and expensive than gold.

If you didn't care for anything he talks about then why did you quote him as if he was smart?

You're arguing on something I don't even care about, and I wasn't even debating to begin with. Just making an observational statement. It doesn't really matter if I quoted Shapiro, King, or even Hitler. That wasn't the point, you autist

Yeah, I *totally* get that. Why quote someone with good points when I can quote a useless hack instead?

Anyone can be quoted if the statement applies to the presentation. Using it doesn't imply you stand with them in any way.

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It does however give the impression that you're uninformed and easily misled, which was already evident in your retarded views

sure, kid

Elaborate? I'm interested.

Because corporations have your and America’s best interests at heart.
Democratic Socialism is basically going to abolish corporate welfare, create a fairer tax system, and take the power of the us government from the oligarchs hands and return it to the people.
Also trickledown economics doesn’t work so let’s try trickle-up which is working in other countries.
You McCarthyists are brainwashed by your corporate overloads to believe that the smallest form of socialism is bad—that’s because they don’t want to release their death grip on the reins of power.

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OP as usual is a massive faggot. Maybe the dimwit would like to explain how he gets free schooling, assuming he's ever attended school, which I doubt.

I lost

Sand (silicate) is the base for silicium and ceramics. Both are needed for any electric component, from circuit boards, to fuses and components. By now the demand is high enough for poor niggers in africa starting to steal whole beaches and selling them (no joke), because clean sand is an extremely limited resource.

Why have real political discussion on respected forums when I can talk in circles with anonymous faggots instead?

Please.

>>take the power of the us government from the oligarchs hands
Just to become the new Oligarchs.

Local Socialism does work when it IS voluntary, when you make it mandatory it isn't socialism, its tyranny. I didn't need anyone to tell me that. I can see that all on my own.

Tyrants is socialist and communist clothing do love to take what is real and warp it into something it isnt and then blame us the bystander for rejecting that world view.

Please tell me you quote Ben "only wins debates against unprepared college students" Shapiro on your respected forums. I could use a good laugh.

Wow. Well that's an interesting thing. How well do you think the red sands of Irag and Afghanistan work for silicium.

What the fuck are you even talking about? I just got to this thread

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Anyone trying to have any kind of serious discussion on this website gives me a laugh. Autists are cheap entertainment

Maybe you wanna watch sand wars, a pretty good movie about how countries already start to openly shittalk about rights to harvest sand (ie us and china for western africa) and how important it is by now as most mined ressource with a factor of 90%.
But sadly can't say anything about the red sand. For sand it is important to have high silicia, silicate and quartz concentration, maybe you find an answer to your question.

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>schools libraries and roads aren't socialist
>until someone argues in favor of them, then you call them socialists as an "argument" against it

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